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Steubenville Hacker Faces Longer Prison Sentence Than the Rapists
joeflies writes "In a previous Slashdot article, hackers worked to preserve content for the Steubenville rape case. The two football players charged received juvenile detention sentences of one and two years. One of the hackers, on the other hand, faces 10 years in prison."
I am literally speechless.
The system is totally fucked up, and I mean, TOTALLY FUCKED UP !!!
Never in my life I could imaging the government in the United States could be so fucked up !
Not only they broke the CONSTITUTION with their phone tapping and their PRISM, now they are doing that to the people who volunteered their skill to preserve what needed to preserve - THE EVIDENCES which had helped the prosecutors in that rape case !!
FUCK MAN !!!
United States is NO LONGER the land of the free, and those who live in it are no longer the braves, either !!!
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
So... hacking into a fratboy's fb account is a more serious charge than raping the everloving shit out of someone?
Any tips on bulk-order condoms and hockey masks?
Juveniles get different sentences to adults. "Vigilante Hacker" is an adult and the reported possible sentence is "maximum possible" which is quite different to "an actual sentence".
But it's OK for the government to hack everybody, all the time. FTG
I must say...it is a perversion of justice, puns not intended.
I may need to write to one of my local reps, Zoe Lofgren who's working to change the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act to make it "less vague" and have her add some other reforms.
Sure, "hacking" for vigilantism is wrong and two wrongs don't make it right, but neither does three: throwing the book at Deric Lostutter.
heck, that guy in texas who killed that escort got less
Think of what and who you will be voting for in the next elections.
It's not too late to reward politicians who will back sane and reasonable sentences.
Only, be aware that idiotically high sentences on computer breaking-and-entering are partly due to the feeling that a 'deterrent' is needed because the chance of discovery and successful prosecution is so low.
Therefore be prepared to allocate more money to e.g. educate the police, DA, and judges on computers and to to give every police force basic competence in computer crime fighting (so they will understand what they're doing). And yes, that will cost money.
This is the fun part though: the toughest questions end up with *YOU*, the voter. And it's *YOU* who bears the ultimate responsibility. Not "The Government", not the DA, not the police. YOU.
Be glad of that though ... you don't get that everywhere.
The rapist is a danger to the individual. The hacker is a danger to the government. Now you know which is held in higher regard in our new fundamentally reshaped America.
article is BS.. comparing "could get" vs "did get" and getting slashdot nerds in a lather for no valid reason as if they were impressionable rush limbuagh listeners.
It doesn't make sense to compare actual sentences (and in this case juvenile sentences!) with theoretical maximums for adult defendants
What they did, the way they fingered that poor girl, took video of it, and then spread the vid to everybody they knew, -- if that happened to your daughter, would you still say that it's a "juvenile" case ?
Wish I was on the jury. There's absolutely no way I would convict that guy. I mean, "Yes, he should be punished to the full extent of the law (pick me, pick me)."
Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
At first, he thought the FBI agent at the door was with FedEx. "As I open the door to greet the driver, approximately 12 FBI SWAT team agents jumped out of the truck, screaming for me to 'Get the fuck down!' with M-16 assault rifles and full riot gear, armed, safety off, pointed directly at my head," Lostutter wrote today on his blog. "I was handcuffed and detained outside while they cleared my house."
That's either an intimidation tactic or the geniuses at the FBI have seen too many Rambo reruns. A 12 person SWAT team to serve a search warrant on one person who they have no reason to believe is violent? If it was proportional, they would have sent an armored division to arrest the rapists. Somehow I doubt they did.
This is nothing new. We, as a society, recognized long ago that children do stupid shit and sometimes shouldn't receive the full punishment for their actions.
If the Steubenville rapists had been tried as adults (and I think they should have), they would have been facing up to 25 years in prison. Under certain circumstances, Ohio law allows for a sentence of life in prison for someone convicted of rape, too, but I don't think that applies to those two. As it is, they not only have their sentences, but they're going to be added to the sex offender list for anywhere from ten years to life. They're going to find it very difficult to find jobs and places to live while they're on that list.
There's nothing shockingly disproportionate about a maximum of 10 years for hacking vs a maximum of 25/life for rape. You might argue about the specific numbers, but I think everyone will agree that rape is the more serious crime and Ohio law allows for more serious consequences, just as it should.
If it was my daughter, it would now be a missing persons case as well.
As in "I have a specific set of skills..."
When you're dead, you don't know you're dead. It only affects the people around you. Same thing when you're stupid.
1. The hacker is an adult; the other two were juveniles.
2. 10 years is the maximum possible sentence he could receive. He hasn't been tried yet. It is unlikely he'll receive the maximum sentence, or even anything close to it.
Back in the pre WW II days, those Jews who decided to stay behind (even if they could afford to move away), sure didn't commit any sin of cop out --- OTOH, those who did cop-out, didn't end up in the oven, tho
The government is us
According to my primary school history text books, the government is us
However, I have grown up, and the reality has changed as well
The US government is no longer "us"
No more
During the Watergate era, I was very proud to be an American --- because, at that time, America is the only country in the world where the CONSTITUTION took precedence, so much so that a president could lose his job for doing a wrong thing
Now ?
If you still think that the same thing can happen to Obama, I have a beautiful bridge in Brooklyn to sell you
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
It turns out that jurys have to decide based on evidence and according to the law, rather than just guessing what happened and then picking the outcome that they personally prefer.
It turns out that jury is one of those words where you drop the y and add ies when you want to make it plural. Also, we have not just a right but a responsibility to nullify juries when the very case is unjust.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I am opposed to have exceptions in laws - i.e. Juvenile is always tried as juvenile - or always tried as adults.
Just for thought, consider the case of Bernie Madoff. He was a con man running a ponzi scheme. There were a lot of folks who had money to invest. These folks wanted to get a large return on their investment. These folks willingly gave this investment money to Madoff. Most of these people ended up losing their investment, because it was a ponzi scheme. Madoff was arrested and has lost everything and is in jail for the rest of his life. People wanted Madoff to get the death penalty. Madoff did not rape anyone. Madoff did not commit a violent crime. The hackers also committed a non violent crime. And will spend more time in jail than most rapists. It's just not right.
From a previous post, here's the collected list of suggested actions
people can take to help change the situation.
Have more ideas? Please post below.
Links worthy of attention:
http://anticorruptionact.org/
http://www.ted.com/talks/lawrence_lessig_we_the_people_and_the_republic_we_must_reclaim.html
http://action.fairelectionsnow.org/fairelections
http://represent.us/
http://www.protectourdemocracy.com/
http://www.wolf-pac.com/
https://www.unpac.org/
http://www.thirty-thousand.org/
Suggestion #1:
(My idea): If people could band together and agree to vote out the
incumbent (senator, representative, president) whenever one of these
incidents crop up, there would be incentive for politicians to better
serve the people in order to continue in office. This would mean
giving up party loyalty and the idea of "lessor of two evils", which a
lot of people won't do. Some congressional elections are quite close,
so 2,000 or so petitioners might be enough to swing a future election.
Someone added: Vote them out AND remove their lifetime,
taxpayer-funded, free health care. See how fast the health care system
gets fixed.
Someone added:You can start by letting your house and senate rep know
how you feel about this issue / patriot act and encourage others you
know to do the same.
If enough people let their representivies know how they feel obviously
those officials who want to be reelected will tend to take notice. We have
seen what happens when wikipedia and google go "dark", congressional
switchboards melt and the 180's start to pile up.
I added: Fax is considered the best way to contact a congressperson,
especially if it is on corporate letterhead.
Suggestion #2:
Tor, I2dP and the likes. Let's build a new common internet over the
internet. Full strong anonymity and integrity. Transform what an
eavesdropper would see in a huge cypherpunk clusterfuck.
Taking back what's ours through technology and educated practices.
Let's go back to the 90' where the internet was a place for
knowledgeable and cooperative people.
Someone Added: Let's go full scale by deploying small wireless routers
across the globe creating a real mesh network as internet was designed
to be!
Suggestion #3:
A first step might be understanding the extent towards which the
government actually disagrees with the people. Are we talking about a
situation where the government is enacting unpopular policies that
people oppose? Or are we talking about a situation where people
support the policies? Because the solutions to those two situations
are very different.
In many cases involving "national security", I think the situation is
closer to the second one. "Tough on X" policies are quite popular, and
politicians often pander to people by enacting them. The USA Patriot
Act, for example, was hugely popular when it was passed. And in
general, politicians get voted out of office more often for being not
"tough" on crime and terrorism and whatever else, than for being too
over-the-top in pursuing those policies.
Suggestion #4:
What I feel is needed is a true 3rd party, not 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th
parties, such as Green, Tea Party, Libertarian; we need an agreeable
third party that can compete against the two majors without a lot of
interference from small parties. We need a consensus third party.
Suggestion #5:
Replace the voting system. Plurality voting will
The two football players charged received juvenile detention sentences of one and two years. One of the hackers, on the other hand, faces 10 years in prison."
Come back if and when the hacker actually receives a longer sentence than the rapists. Then you've got a story.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
Hacking crimes should be relative based upon scope. Steal $10 you a petty thief; steal $1,000,000 you are a felon. The only reason 10 years is on the there is because someone in the government got embarrassed not because of hacking as a crime.
While you're not speaking, re-read the article or summary. They compare the sentence someone involved actually received to the maximum possible sentence any hacker could theoretically get. Most commonly, a first time offender "facing ten years" will end up with probation. At this point, we have no idea what punishment the hacker will get, if any at all.
In Soviet Russia (USSR) political prisoners were treated much worse than criminal.
I've long held that Canada is, at best, about 5 to 10 years lag behind the States in terms of these things. People started doubting my claims when the recent Bush Administration was elected. They ceased doubting me once the Harper Administration came into power.
I remember sigs. Oh, a simpler time!