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India To Develop Military Robots For Warfare

WoodenKnight writes "Indian DRDO chief Avinash Chander has told reporters that development of robotic soldiers would be one of his 'priority thrust areas', saying that 'unmanned warfare in land and air is the future of warfare.' He foresees robotic soldiers assisting human soldiers initially but, he hinted at forward-position deployment of such robots. He gave a timeline of at least a decade for the project to see any practical use but said a number of labs in India are now working on this."

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  1. seems a bit specialized for the current state by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you have well-developed robotics expertise already, you're in a much better position to develop more specialized robots, like robot soldiers. India doesn't really: both its robotics industry and its research are relatively small sectors at the moment, far behind the state of the art in countries like Japan, China, Germany, South Korea, or the USA. They're going to have to fix that before robot soldiers are going to emerge out of it.

    Of course, this might just be a way of selling robotics funding, so maybe that's the goal.

    1. Re:seems a bit specialized for the current state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How to get good at something: Try doing it.

    2. Re:seems a bit specialized for the current state by Trepidity · · Score: 2

      Yes, but in this case the useful "it" to try doing is "robotics". Attaching weapons to them is something that's useful to do once you have the basics down.

    3. Re:seems a bit specialized for the current state by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On the other hand, if you are trying to get funding for basic research approved, attaching weapons to your grant proposal can be very helpful indeed...

      Since actually getting a robot to kill somebody(in a manner more sophisticated than a land mine) requires all sorts of other capabilities to be worked out first, you can just write "Killer Robots OMG National Security" on your application and then spend a decade doing the basic research you actually wanted to do anyway.

    4. Re:seems a bit specialized for the current state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indian teams always do shitty in international robotics competitions, but not for lack of effort or talent. Their shoe string budgets are usually propped up by ingenuity & hard work where a significant portion of their labor ends up invested in DIY shit which better capitalized teams were able to just buy CoTs. It will be interesting to see if government financing of the field will end up in their hands or if it will be plundered by corruption.

      If the faculty supervising the team exercises authority to blow the team budget on useless bullshit in exchange for kickbacks then it will not.

      This is in contrast to "First World" countries where college textbooks are never written by the professor requiring them, and PRISM refers to optics.

    5. Re:seems a bit specialized for the current state by Nadaka · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Robots killing people is fairly easy, simple motion activated systems combined with range finding and ballistics algorithms will do the trick. Add facial/body type/gait recognition to keep it from going after so many shadows.

      Getting them to do that while also not killing the right people is the hard part.

    6. Re:seems a bit specialized for the current state by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Automated fire control, with either the assumption that all targets are valid targets or with a human Yes/No step is indeed the (relatively) easy part. If you want the robot to be anything but a static turret, ideally plugged in to the electrical grid, you fall into the morass of hard robotics problems once again.

  2. Robots... by kryliss · · Score: 3, Funny

    Will the robots be able to handle their own tech support should they have an issue?

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  3. Inevitable... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Hello, this is Fred who-is-definitely-not-from-Hyderabad, thank you for calling killbot technical support, how can I help you today?"

    "Hi Fred, I'm afraid my killbot has been refusing all targeting instructions and attempting to kill me."

    "Ah, let me check with my supervisor, one moment please."

    "Thank you for your patience. Please try turning it off and never turning it on again."

    1. Re:Inevitable... by jma05 · · Score: 2

      Also Indian here. Relax. They all know that... at least on this site.
      I for one am looking for some original, good-natured call center jokes in a robot apocalypse.
      We can do Japanese Mecha jokes or Foxconn robot jokes next week.

  4. India? Robots in the front line? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Very surprised. Though no country wants to risk the lives of their soldiers, only in the USA soldiers in body bags have such a heavy political price. India being a Democracy it too would pay a higher political price than, may be Pakistan and China. But still it is a highly populated country without draft. In fact, even in the USA, after the draft has been removed and it became an all volunteer armed forces, the political cost of returning body bags have dropped a lot. So why robots in the forward firing lines? May be it is posturing, goading Pakistan into spending its money on robots instead of supplying terrorists with cheap AK-47s.

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    1. Re:India? Robots in the front line? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2
      Yes, the soldiers in body bags have lost a lot of the political cost in the recent Iraq/Afghanistan war. Gulf War I was remarkable for its low causalities. But I think it is wrong to attribute it to some post 9-11 change of mind of the American public. The earlier high political cost came in when the draft was in place and many solid middle class affluent families actually faced the law: all men are created equal. They had resources to dodge it, going to college, becoming a missionary, becoming a Rhodes Scholar etc etc. But now that draft is gone and the military has become one of the tickets out of poverty for the "lower" classes, the political costs have abated. Still almost all the politicians were very strung up about it. Look at the media ban Bush had about pictures of coffins being unloaded.

      I think the political cost of images of dead soldiers is slightly, but just slightly, less in India than in USA. In both countries the martial middle class families get into the Officer Corps and not the enlisted ranks.

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    2. Re:India? Robots in the front line? by a_hanso · · Score: 2

      Please see their first prototype here: http://youtu.be/7yBnl_krN_U?t=1m17s
      It is formidable.

  5. Those who ignore science fiction ... by Liambp · · Score: 4, Funny

    ..are doomed to repeat it.

    1. Re:Those who ignore science fiction ... by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Except for that Fiction element.
      Science fiction tends to have that one little thing that makes the robots go off their programming, without a Safe Default mode. You know to make it a good story, that people will want to read.

      No one wants to hear about the little boy who got killed for crossing a zone labeled you will be shot if entered, because he crossed the area. Or in case of a major malfunction where they will not power down. You just kinda shoot them down from the air, or just send in a new batch battle droids to dismantle the other.

      Science Fiction is fiction so to make it a good story you need a real plot. Real life is often more boring. And those problems that come with technology we kinda learn to deal with them.

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  6. Reality TV by canadiannomad · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ok so this will likely lead to robot vs robot warfare with no real human casualties... So, I say we put that shit on TV and enjoy :) /joke
    Nah, I don't see any way for this to escalate badly /sarcasm

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    1. Re:Reality TV by ubersoldat2k7 · · Score: 2

      Ok so this will likely lead to robot vs robot warfare with no real human casualties... So, I say we put that shit on TV and enjoy :) /joke

      Why the joke? In WWII people bought war bonds. In WWIII you'll crowdfund armies and those who contribute more will get the chance to lead them into battle. Those who contribute a smaller fee will get full access to the robot statistics on real time!

      Wow, I gotta go get my lawyer and patent this shit.

  7. Re:Ban it before it gets out of hand! by AmazingRuss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...so only those that abide by the treaty won't have them.

    Like it or not, this is the future.

  8. Re: Oblig by Thud457 · · Score: 2

    The wars of the future will not be fought on the battlefield or at sea. They will be fought in space, or possibly on top of a very tall mountain. In either case, most of the actual fighting will be done by small robots. And as you go forth today remember always your duty is clear: To build and maintain those robots.

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  9. Re:Metal Gear by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 2

    Almost true. It's about resources. Machines get to fight for their own oil, for example. Too bad there are probably humans in the way.

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  10. human is cheaper by beefoot · · Score: 2

    The India population is 1.241 billion according to google. It would be hard press to find a cheaper alternative other than human soldier.

  11. Re: Oblig by JustOK · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The US shares a border with it's biggest enemy. In fact, the US and it's biggest enemy are on the same side of the border.

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  12. Re:Metal Gear by dpilot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I disagree. IMHO war has generally been about egos, and resources are frequently the excuse. Assuming we managed to come up with efficient and logical machines, they would most likely come up with some more efficient way to get their resources than war.

    However if they were to decide that war was the most efficient way, watch out!

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  13. Easier route to escalation by Lazarian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've always thought that a lot of people don't realize that having lives in harms way on -either- side of a is a deterrent in itself to using weapons that would be horribly beyond all conscience (that in itself, well, depends on who's pushing the buttons). India and Pakistan say, have nuclear weapons. If Pakistan had a few infantry and tank divisions, along with a couple border villages wiped out by robotic troops, I'd think that the bar would be lowered as to them responding with a tactical nuclear strike to eliminate the robot threat. Then things would snowball from there. The situation wouldn't go from escalating from conventional to chemical in between at all. War is about killing people. When one side has troops that are machines, the other side does not have to restrain themselves to the moral restraints that have kept whatever tenuous leash on us throughout our history. Just a thought.

  14. It's COMPLETE nonsense by argStyopa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...honestly, not even worth reporting.

    1) India has trouble building tanks, airplanes, ships, and subs...far more 'pedestrian' tools of warfare. Their programs are bloated and rife with corruption, delays, technical failures, overpromises, etc. such that they are only capable of producing inferior equipment at ridiculous costs.

    2) India is the second most populous country in the world. If there's anything they DON'T need it's to replace the dirt-cheap organic, self-replicating, minimally-functional dubious cannon fodder they currently have with hideously expensive, fragile, dubious cannon fodder made out of plastic and metal that they don't have and likely will never be able to build for the foreseeable future.

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  15. I'm terrified! by t1oracle · · Score: 2

    I mean, can you imagine an 8 armed robot? :-0