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Bill Regulating 3D Printed Guns Announced In NYC
New submitter BioTitan writes "New York City may be the first state to crack down on 3D printed guns. Two pieces of legislation were introduced on June 13, one in the City Council that only allows licensed gunsmiths to print the guns, and another in the State Assembly that would make it illegal for anyone to print a gun. Cody Wilson, creator of the first 3D printed guns, and founder of Defense Distributed, told The Epoch Times, 'Such legislation is a deprivation of equal protection and works in clear ignorance of Title I and II of U.S. gun laws.'"
They're just shooting from the tip..
That despite gun ownership being enshrined in the US constitution, that leftists and atieists of all stripes are still hell bend on depriving ordinary people of their right to self defense.
They will be laughing on the other sides of their faces when Obama's storm troopers round them up and ship them to a FEMA camp.
So it will be legal to build your own guns with metal machining tools, but if you do it with a 3D printer, it will be illegal. I'm sure all the people who want a gun but can't buy one are going to listen. This will just be one more charge after the fact, after someone commits another crime that is already illegal.
They should wish that the only gun people could have is the 3d printed gun known as the liberator. 1 shot .380.... I believe that is what the government is ultimatley trying to whittle our gun rights down to. 1 shot useless calibers
While the NRA spends quite a bit and does a good job protecting gun rights, its important to remember that they are financed by large arms manufacturers. They probably wont lobby as hard for your ability to print your own guns.
Cody Wilson, creator of the first 3D printed guns, and founder of Defense Distributed, said in an email interview, “Such legislation is a deprivation of equal protection and works in clear ignorance of Title I and II of U.S. gun laws.” Wilson was referring to Title 1, the Gun Control Act of 1968, and Title 2, the National Firearms Act.
OK, anyone who reads or watches the news would realize that politicians overreact because most of the electorate falls for grandstanding and over reaction. If a legislator proceeded with common sense, caution, and reasoning, he would never get elected. And this was bound to happen and rest assured, other states WILL follow suit. There is going to be a lot of money spent fighting this in the courts and there WILL eventually be a law against 3D printers. I have no doubt.
Now we have Mr. Wilson. Mr Wilson goes and prints a 3D gun and blabs it all over the internet - yes, I'm well aware that there would have been someone else who would have done so; after all, we live i a society of attention whores and narcissists. But never the less, he was the first and he gets the blame.
tl;dr: WTF did he expect?!
Unless that was his game all along.
"New York City may be the first state"? Thats like watching a game show where the contestant is asked for a country in Europe that is fancy and them saying London or Paris.
-SaNo
Well well. So there is this piece of legislation that will make it illegal to 3d-print a gun.
So now I wonder, what is and whether it will be altered or 'revised', the definition of: Gun. One needs not a gun to harm someone else. Illegalising the 3d-printing of Guns as we now think of guns, will only add one more law to the ocean of Laws and will only marginally solve the problem it is setting out to solve.
I can legally manufacture my own firearms in the US. So can most of you. I can make them, own them, and use them.
The only thing I can't legally do? Sell them.
So I could legally manufacture a more-or-less perfect replica of the gun used in Newtown. But New York gets its knickers in a knot over someone printing out a single-shot low-pressure piece of crap?
Dear politicians - We all know you couldn't think your way out of a paper bag. But can you at least prioritize the crap on which you waste our tax dollars?
Please keep in mind that New York City is not it's own state. And the rest of the state is pretty steamed about the recent gun legislation that the Governor jammed through the state legislature. Some upstate sheriffs have even gone so far as to say they will not enforce that legislation, which is a pretty big step for law enforcement to come out and state in public. Gun rights are a twitchy subject here right now, I find it hard to think of any upstate politician who would support any restriction on 3d printing right now.
They have kids to feed.... cant let their customers print their own guns...
was to circumvent crap like this. 2nd amendment protection, even when it's being attacked aggressively.
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OK, I'll print 100s of guns then. Fuck you New York Assholes!
I mean, to me a 3d printed gun is like any weapon you can build at home or in the garage.
Is a weapon that doesn't follow the "normal" market chain.
So they also should regulate, say, hand made knives, archery and even deadly traps.
It looks to me just like a govt response to a buzzword. Just to let people know "we are watching over you".
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... Already stipulates an average citizen can make a weapon for personal use. Read it yourself.
Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44
The point of 3D printed guns is to be able to ignore such legislation if need be. In general, such laws could be anticipated, but are known to be mostly irrelevant.
To put this into another perspective - its currently illegal to download pirated music and movies off the internet. Not proposed legislation, not "we're thinking about it" - it's already 100% against the law. How effective is that?
Another example: its current illegal in nearly every state to possess, grow, or smoke marijuana - yet a significant chunk of the population ends up trying it at some point because when you get right down to it, the shit grows out of the fucking dirt.
3D printed guns are much the same. They're there not just to make it easy to make a gun, but to make laws against it ineffective. The government and politicians can stamp their feet, pound their gavel, and pass whatever laws they way - but if We The People still want a gun, we'll have them - and there's nothing they can do about it.
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As if 3D printing were this incredible menace. Wobbly fragile parts so unreliable that they fired it with a string pulling the trigger. The lawmakers bought into the hype, just like most Slashdotters.
I say it's perfectly reasonable to require a gunsmithing license to manufacture firearms. ANY firearm. It's the sort of thing that isn't really done as a hobby, and if it is, it's' the sort of hobby that wouldn't be heavily impacted by having to acquire some sort of license.
Don't forget - the batshit crazy folks have a right to print guns too...because...well they have a right to protect themselves just like the rest, don't they?
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I'm not in the states but when people use the terms "gun" and "twitchy" in the same sentence, I'm likely not to visit anytime soon.
Fuck NYC.
Fuck Bloomberg.
Fuck Cuomo.
Fuck Schumer.
Fuck Gillibrand.
and Fuck Rangel and all the other crooked mf'ers who are holding the rest of New York State political hostage.
This will work.
Why? Because the sort of person who would shoot school children or rob a convenience store will of course obey these laws.
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Instead of dealing with the problem they just do the ban everything method. Perfect for the no IQ crowd like the leaders of NYC..
Why don't they talk to large city leaders elsewhere about what works? They are simply doing what Chicago does, and Chicago is a complete failure.
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Okay, so we get everyone that has a 3d printer to print out one gun (or 5) and we will box them all up and donate them to the people of NYC.
i can see the headline on Slashdot in 2018ish
"First all 3d printed gun test fired 10k rounds"
Yesterday Crunktech successfully fired the Liberator V6 with 10k rounds. This was made possible by use of the new Super Goop with microwave activated hardening..."
but these PoliCritters need to understand the following
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
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No gunsmith or criminal in his right mind would want a 3D rapid prototype "printed" gun.
Any sane criminal wants a real top notch machined steel gun that WORKS every time the trigger is pulled. And that criminal knows how to buy or steal one in an hour or two versus many days for a 3D RP gun (& I don't understand what they use for a barrel, unless they use laser sintered stainless steel or titanium for the barrel and then finish machine it or it will be truly worthless in aim and firepower.)
A firearm by definition requires some sort of explosion. We could solve a lot of these problems by moving on to alternative projectile weapon technologies such as the coil gun, more commonly, and incorrectly, called the rail gun.
Then watch as the government tries to outlaw electricity.
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I can legally go out and build ( with some restrictions ) a fully functional weapon in my garage this weekend, for personal use.. That its made mostly of plastic or steel or aluminum, or even wood is of no bearing, as long as it shows up on metal detectors.
The people that dont care about the current restrictions won't care about this new law either. ( but then again, since when has laws ever applied to criminals, and only serve to restrict the 'honest' citizen )
than by guns, plastic or otherwise.
The more time these anti-gun nitwits spend trying to close the barn door after the horses have escaped, the less time they'll have for doing real damage.
Yeah and all those signs in Wisconsin that says concealed guns aren't allowed on the premises at random restaurants and shops and crap worked wonders to stop shootings and robberies. It was almost as effective as if they'd let level headed people carry concealed guns in just in case there was a robbery.
Seriously, do they really think passing a law is going to stop anyone from doing this? At least most criminals don't know how to use Autocad, Maya, Milkshape, a 3D printer, or a computer, lol.
So it would be ok for a 10 year old to print a gun and go shoot someone,,way to go idiots
Geez, if I can't print a shitty zip-gun, I guess I'll just have to take 5 mins to MAKE one out of some pipe, a rubber band, a tack, and if I'm feeling fancy, wood for a handle.
Certainly none of these is available at the local hardware store!
I feel safer already.
Fucking morons.
-Styopa
Murder and rape is rampart in NYC because 3D printed guns and dildos can pass a metal detector (already installed at every doorway in the city for your protection). Police is still armed with the outdated 2D technology, unable to pursue criminals past the detectors. This enlightened piece of legislation will target only the 3D outlaws who plan to use technology in nefarious ways, because no inlaws will want to print anything like that in the first place. All printer owners will be required to register their printers with NYPD and visit their case officer monthly.
It will either be too narrow to make a difference or too broad to make sense.
you can create a lethal weapon (gun/rifle) with pvc tubing, metal plates, rare earth magnets...
insert the metal plates at 3 inch intervals, loading a rare earth ball magnet on one side of each plate (same side all the way down)...
once set, load another one at one end, and strike it to accelerate it to the metal plate - when it strikes the plate, the magnet on the other side is propelled to the next plate - accelerating each time until the final magnet launches out the end at lethal speed.
Looks like a blow gun, and the ammo isn't cheap - but I bet you could hunt down zombies with it.
on the one hand, plastic printed guns are worthless and no one should take them seriously enough to legislate against them. might as well legislate against mimes for their potential to incite terror
on the other hand, if we outlaw the toys of today, we might be in a better position when customized/personalized manufacturing reaches the ability where a novice can push a few buttons and create a weapon that isn't laughable
are NYC legislators just being incredibly forward-thinking? unfortunately i think they imagine these execrable jokes could be a danger to persons other than their operators
the same legislators are likely to be three steps behind when someone creates a script for a STEN gun that Junior can upload to Daddy's new MetaloFab 3000 to create functional automatic weapons for him and his murderous little friends. script kiddies with firepower. Hooah
I don't care what law they try an pass. They are already in violation of the 2nd Amendment, they violate the 4th amendment with their stop and frisk policy, and they have violated the 1st, 5th, 6th and 9th amendments multiple times.
New York has been in violation of law so much, that I no longer consider them to be a valid government authority. They are now more like a little kid in a neighborhood that runs around saying he is the king, and everybody must give him candy. And we have had enough of that nonsense.
Since New York thinks they can ignore the law, we will ignore everything they claim is law, and if they attempt to punish us, there will be a reckoning.
Never pass a law that won't be enforced or can't be enforced.
You cannot stop people from printing 3d guns anymore then you can stop someone from writing "I like purple poodles" in any old notebook with a ballpoint pen. Precisely how are you going to even know it happened in the first place?
So what does this law make illegal? Having an unlicensed weapon? Already illegal. Making your own gun? Already illegal.
Its an action utterly without meaning or relevance. If they want to stop 3d guns they're either going to have to have to enact a police state or invent a time machine. Short of that... get used to it.
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On the east coast I was once asked by a Brit for directions on how to get to Las Vegas. They wanted to see the strip before returning home in the morning. I told them to take the next left and drive for five days.
So when do I get my suitcase nuke?
Designed to be carried and deployed by a single individual, a suitcase nuke is an "arm" by that definition.
In order to fulfill the spirit of the 2nd Amendment and be able to oppose a tyrannical government I need weapons as close to the govt's capabilities as humanely possible within the scope of the second Amendment.
Once the NRA starts agitating for individual ownership of suitcase nukes I will take their "no regulation of any kind" stance seriously.
Otherwise they are admitting that regulation is perfectly reasonable (which it is) and so what an individual can own is subject to the will of the people, not some theoretical interpretation of a 200 year old statement.
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That sounds awesome!! But i thought a mass driver with discrete magnetic stages was considered a coil-gun...and a rail-gun had two straight rails and a conductive launching armature or conductive projective.
However, there is no practical way to crack down on that, and MANY classic battle rifles were first made on manual machine tools.
http://www.cncguns.com/
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Pass any law that won't be enforced or can't be enforced.
You cannot stop people from getting high anymore than you can stop someone from writing "Don't tread on me" in any old notebook with a fine quill pen. Precisely how are you going to know it happened in the first place?
So what does this law make illegal? Having untaxed weed? Already illegal. Growing your own weed? Already illegal.
Its an action utterly without meaning or relevance. If they want to stop people getting high they're either going to have to enact a police state or invent a time machine. Short of that... get used to it
If you think the government doesn't do shit just because then you haven't been paying attention. They pass whatever law they think will make them the biggest dollar amount. Now I do believe you were trying to state the ideal first rule of gov, but I hate to point out that the REAL first rule is exactly what I stated.
Am I the only one who read the last sentence in Emperor Palpatine's voice?