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Professors Say Massive Open Online Courses Threaten Academic Freedom

McGruber writes "The Chronicle of Higher Education has the news that American Association of University Professors (AAUP) believes that faculty members' copyrights and academic freedom are being threatened by colleges claiming ownership of the massive open online courses their instructors have developed. The AAUP plans this year to undertake a campaign to urge professors to get protections of their intellectual-property rights included in their contracts and faculty handbooks. According to former AAUP President Cory Nelson, 'If we lose the battle over intellectual property, it's over. Being a professor will no longer be a professional career or a professional identity,' and faculty members will instead essentially find themselves working in 'a service industry.' [Just like their graduate students?]"

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  1. It's the SCO effect by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They'll get over it when enough people ignore them :)

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    1. Re:It's the SCO effect by zoomshorts · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Professors Say Massive Open Online Courses Threaten Academic Freedom" : LOL , more like threaten future royalties.

  2. Re:First defense of oppressors, by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure you can, you just have to go to a right wing indoctrination institute. Lots of those around too.

    How about instead we just focus on facts, not ideology in education.

  3. copyrights and academic freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I love how professors can claim copyrights on research done with my tax dollars.

    1. Re:copyrights and academic freedom by hedwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just because they work for a government funded school, does not give you the right to demand access to things that the teacher does to prepare for class. The school just pays for the contact hours and the assessment, not the creation of the materials. Typically if the school wants to own that, they have to pay for the materials to be developed.

      The research OTOH, is a different matter, and it really depends where the funding comes from.

  4. ftfy by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Professors Say Massive Open Online Courses Threaten Academic Freedom

    threaten their monopoly on information... it's RIAA and MPAA whining of a different flavor.

    1. Re:ftfy by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Professors Say Massive Open Online Courses Threaten Academic Freedom

      threaten their monopoly on information... it's RIAA and MPAA whining of a different flavor.

      I'm inclined to disagree: If anything, the universities (who are attempting to seize the copyrights on course material, because the new 'MOOC' format now makes course material valuable in absence of the person who developed it) are the ones in the position of the RIAA (a trade group that represents the owners of copyrighted music, not musicians.)

      Professors have never(at least since printing became remotely cheap; maybe back in the early medieval university where technical constraints imposed a nearly oral-history model of knowledge transmission you could make a case) had a 'monopoly on information', you can get courses in established subjects just about anywhere, and new-hotness research will be encumbered by Reed-Elsevier, not Dr. Somebody. What they object to is universities(or online courseware companies) obtaining a monopoly on their specific teaching of a course. This hardly seems shocking, given that they could end up having to license back their own coursework if they change employers...

      Really rather similar to the position of a musician or band whose entire back-catalog is encumbered by that EMI contract they signed when they were small.

  5. No, graduate students still even lower by TWiTfan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    [Just like their graduate students?]

    In the U.S., graduate/research assistants generally aren't even considered employees under the law. Universities use the "they're students, not employees" thing to skirt even the most basic worker protections for grad assistants (similar to the way interns are exploited). They're so low that they can't even file for unemployment or count their work towards their Social Security (since they were never even "employed" in the first place, according to the law).

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  6. Re:Good article on MOOCs here by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    governments can no longer afford to provide college education

    It's more that they no longer want to pay for it, not that they can't afford it. California spends far less money on the UC system today than it did in 1985, for example, and it's not because the overall California budget has shrunk: they've just decided to spend the money on other things.

  7. Fredrick Douglass by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I didn't know I was a slave until I found out I couldn't do the things I wanted. - Frederick Douglass

    How many university professors will now change their mind about imaginary property and how many will still claim, "but if only we can tweak it thusly, for my benefit, it'll be all better?"

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  8. Re:First defense of oppressors, by hedwards · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Interesting, but, you do realize that "left wing indoctrination" is what people in other countries call "education" right? Just because the facts don't back a conservative agenda does not make schools "left wing indoctrination institutes" it means that you're delusional.

    Unless of course, serviscope, is right and the courses are titled like that.

  9. Re:fucking lawyers by jehan60188 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and the for-profit college model in general. schools need to stop hiring MBA flunkies as their deans, and start focusing on academics again

  10. Re:First defense of oppressors, by slim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My employer owns the copyright on work I produce on their time. What's different about universities.

    Contracts, I suppose. So these professors should check their contracts before signing them.

  11. Re:First defense of oppressors, by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about instead we just focus on facts, not ideology in education.

    Sadly, because ideology directly affects what you consider to be 'facts'.

    If people actually looked at facts, they might have to be faced with the idea that their ideologies are wrong. And people have no interest whatsoever in doing that, because their ideologies are Clearly Right, and those facts are Clearly Partisan spin.

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  12. ...and not academic freedom by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, but speaking as a professor, this is not a case of academic freedom and I get _really_ fed up with academic unions claiming "academic freedom" for everything regardless of whether or not it is. Violation of academic freedom would the a university telling me that I had to use material X for teaching or that I could not do research on Y.

    This is a simple question about owning the intellectual property rights on material produced. Frankly the way I think this should be is that I own the copyright but the university has a permanent license to use any material I generate for education of its own students. Since academic careers are built on reputation it's my moral rights - to be associated as the author of the material - that I care more about. I put all my material under a CC NC-BY-SA license. If 100k people found it useful enough to study from it and learn some particle physics I'd consider myself to be doing really well at the education part of my job!

    1. Re:...and not academic freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I put all my material under a CC NC-BY-SA license.

      Sounds like from the article, the University might claim that you don't have that right.

      I know that when I produce copyrighted material at work, it is considered 'work for hire' and thus I am giving my employer the copyright, but in that case the material is code added to a code-base that I (for the most part) did not write, so in this case it makes considerable sense. I think it is less clear when you create a textbook for your class that the employer should gain the copyright, but I suppose it is all in the employment contract.

  13. Hint: you are a service industry by Gothmolly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only people who think professors are some entitled class are ... professors. You provide a service, for pay, just like a doctor, or lawyer or barista.

    You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake just because you have a PhD. I know that's what all the other PhDs told you when you joined the club, but reality is knocking on your door.

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  14. Re:First defense of oppressors, by slim · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can be arrogant and correct at the same time.

  15. Re:First defense of oppressors, by NatasRevol · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Facts" are rarely the *whole* truth, on either side of any debate.

    In other words, everyone cherry picks for their own benefit.

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  16. Re:First defense of oppressors, by pecosdave · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Facts do have a liberal bias.

    Not the modern definition of liberal, but the classical free thought version. The modern common use definition of liberal is all about indoctrination.

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  17. Re:First defense of oppressors, by pecosdave · · Score: 2, Insightful

    everyone cherry picks for their own benefit

    So much this. This is a major contributing factor to the left/right war we have going on that is dividing and conquering the people.

    "Both" sides use their cherry-picked facts to justify government action to back them not realizing every government action is actually a loss for both sides.

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  18. Re:First defense of oppressors, by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Both" sides use their cherry-picked facts to justify government action to back them not realizing every government action is actually a loss for both sides.

    And you use your cherry-picked facts to justify your ideology despite that it is trivially easy to point to a positive action by a government.