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World Population Could Reach Nearly 11 Billion By 2100

vinces99 writes "A new analysis shows that world population could reach nearly 11 billion by the end of this century, according to a United Nations report issued June 13. That's about 800 million, or about 8 percent, more than the previous projection issued in 2011. The change is largely because birth rates in Africa have not declined as quickly as had been expected, according to Adrian Raftery of the University of Washington's Center for Statistics and the Social Sciences. The U.N. estimates use statistical methods developed at the center. The current African population is about 1.1 billion and it is now expected to reach 4.2 billion, nearly a fourfold increase, by 2100, Raftery said."

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  1. What?!? by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Funny

    How the hell is the NSA supposed to keep track of all those people?!?!

    1. Re:What?!? by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 5, Funny

      Silly, when the big scooper trucks grab people up and feed them into the food chain the NSA will just file them under Project Make Room!

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    2. Re:What?!? by shentino · · Score: 2

      Finally, a good reason to stick with IPv4.

    3. Re:What?!? by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 4, Informative

      This makes little sense. The world population is supposed to peak in 2030 at 8.5 billion.

      http://www.businessinsider.com/analyst-world-population-will-peak-at-85-billion-in-2030-2012-11

      Even as population trends, this 11 billion by end of century figure is not believable. We can't predict the weather or climate change, but we can easily predict population growth and the African population growth angle is absolutely not justified in a non-speculative sociology realm.

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    4. Re:What?!? by zAPPzAPP · · Score: 3, Funny

      There can only be so many different people.
      The trick is to spot all the doubles and save on diskspace and computing power!

    5. Re:What?!? by lobotomir · · Score: 2

      You're effectively comparing one hypothetical model against the other. The models address conditions many decades from now. You cannot possibly make a dependable judgement as to which one makes sense.

    6. Re:What?!? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Africa will still be a pathetic continent with no human development

      I don't know about you, but human development in Africa was way ahead of human development on other continents for hundreds of thousands of years. That's got to count for something.

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    7. Re:What?!? by Nutria · · Score: 3, Interesting

      human development in Africa was way ahead of human development on other continents for hundreds of thousands of years.

      Primitive man didn't first leave Africa that much evolutionarily sooner than did H. Sapiens.

      That's got to count for something.

      Not really. Why do you think they left?

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    8. Re:What?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Turn in your nerd card. The film Soylent Green is based on the novel Make Room, Make Room!

    9. Re:What?!? by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 2

      They use birth rates and death rates to calculate population models and these are very stable. + or - 3 billion for the continent of Africa? Not likely. I don't know if you are versed in statistics, but the population of a single continent doesn't fluctuate +/- 100% within a century due to a new model. Not for an established field with over 200 years of population trending.

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    10. Re:What?!? by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is science and this is done with statistical models and several decades of information to feed the data into the models. And then there is public opinion.

      Surprisingly, neither the models nor future results are much affected by public opinion, no matter what public opinion happens to be at the moment. One of these 2 methods is really useful for forecasting, the other not so much.

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    11. Re:What?!? by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      This is statistics which is a core part of science, statistics is not about absolute certainty. There is a chance of the 11B figure being correct which depends on the assumptions made about future human behavior, the perennial question is: does a slightly different set of assumptions return a figure that's (say) under 1B?

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  2. Won't happen by Niris · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Unless we can support that much life with food, water and other resources, war for diminishing resources will wipe out enough population before we even get close to that.

    1. Re:Won't happen by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unless we can support that much life with food, water and other resources, war for diminishing resources will wipe out enough population before we even get close to that.

      Reverend Malthus wrote the same in 1798 in "An Essay on the Principle of Population", and was wrong then. Malthusian predictions have been wrong ever since.

      I fear there will be great loss of life in the region due to war, but such resources are only scarce where local governments force them to become so to gain control over their people.

      Technology improves faster than population grows. As population growth rate has been slowing down (as a %) and technological improvements have only come at a faster pace, it's a mystery why people think the problems will get worse.

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    2. Re:Won't happen by Holi · · Score: 2

      Good for him. Unfortunately food is not the issue, Potable water is.

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    3. Re:Won't happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No technology can change the absolute fact that we have finite land and finite energy.

      Eventually, Malthus will be right.

    4. Re:Won't happen by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Funny

      Eventually, Malthus will be right.

      Eventually, the universe will reach heat death where all useful energy has been used.

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    5. Re:Won't happen by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2

      the population has been increasing at an accelerating rate and there's no sign that it's going to slow down.

      Actually there are plenty of signs that it is going to slow down. So many signs that population is expected to peak around the year 2011 and start decreasing.

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    6. Re:Won't happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      hope you are right.

      You *hope* he is right?! You *hope* billions of people are killed from war, famine, and hunger? These words actually formed in your brain and trickled out onto your keyboard? Really?!

    7. Re:Won't happen by camperdave · · Score: 2

      ... resources are only scarce where local governments force them to become so to gain control over their people.

      Currently true. However, there are hard limits as to how many people a certain tract of land will support.

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    8. Re:Won't happen by j-beda · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, there's the problem with trends. Assuming they go on forever means that, for example, everyone should now have about 52 model-Ts in their garage. That said... the population has been increasing at an accelerating rate and there's no sign that it's going to slow down.

      Except that the growth rate has been decreasing for a while now.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_growth#Human_population_growth_rate

      Globally, the growth rate of the human population has been declining since peaking in 1962 and 1963 at 2.20% per annum. In 2009, the estimated annual growth rate was 1.1%.[5] The CIA World Factbook gives the world annual birthrate, mortality rate, and growth rate as 1.915%, 0.812%, and 1.092% respectively.[6] The last 100 years have seen a rapid increase in population due to medical advances and massive increase in agricultural productivity[7] made possible by the Green Revolution.[8][9][10]

      The actual annual growth in the number of humans fell from its peak of 88.0 million in 1989, to a low of 73.9 million in 2003, after which it rose again to 75.2 million in 2006. Since then, annual growth has declined. In 2009, the human population increased by 74.6 million, which is projected to fall steadily to about 41 million per annum in 2050, at which time the population will have increased to about 9.2 billion.[5] Each region of the globe has seen great reductions in growth rate in recent decades, though growth rates remain above 2% in some countries of the Middle East and Sub-Saharan Africa, and also in South Asia, Southeast Asia, and Latin America.[11]

    9. Re:Won't happen by Algae_94 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but couldn't you hope that people stop shooting out babies rather than hope that worldwide wars and famines take care of it? I know that's not realistic. I kind of share the GP's sentiment. Who hopes for famine and war?

    10. Re:Won't happen by Ichijo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Technology improves faster than population grows.

      Technology hasn't yet stopped us from consuming natural resources faster than the Earth can replace them. Nor has it raised fuel efficiency in automobiles as quickly as the price of gasoline has been rising. So that "deus ex machina" that technology will solve all our problems doesn't seem to be working.

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    11. Re:Won't happen by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yields per acreage are actually stalling ... and we haven't even hit peak phosphorus yet. Also a fair amount of the technology we use to increase yields is not exactly side effect free, insecticides for instance are killing bees and making people retards.

      How is the Egyptian government keeping water scarce?

    12. Re:Won't happen by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Informative

      Water is a bit more of a concern.

      At current growth rates, the weight of humans would equal the weight of the planet in 500 years.

      At current energy growth rates since the 1600's, the earth will be hotter than boiling water in under 400 years.

      Clearly something has to give.

      So less energy per person- lower quality of life- less water per person.

      Deer do just fine until they wipe out their environment and die off. No war needed.

      When population density is high enough, minor disruptions in food and water delivery, or a disease can kill a lot of people really fast.

      Typical bad plague single pass would kill about 140 million people now. That's just 2%.

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    13. Re:Won't happen by camperdave · · Score: 2

      We know the practical limit is somewhere below that number.

      I did some calculations about 10 years ago: 484,246 sq mi (1,254,197 sq km) are needed for 6 billion people to live, 4 persons per lot, in lots that are 60'x150' (a nice US suburban plot). That is ~ California, Texas and Missouri. Alternatively, France, Spain and The United Kingdom. Does *not* include street, employment, etc.

      296,443 sq mi (767,787 sq km) are needed for 6 billion people to live at the same population density as Manhattan, New York. That is ~ Arizona or Nevada. Alternatively, that ~ double the size of Japan or Zimbabwe. *Does* include streets and employment.

      Presumably you are also not counting the farming acreage needed to supply food for that many people.

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    14. Re:Won't happen by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He will be correct if and when the population stops growing due to lack of resources.

      He will finally be completely wrong if and when the population stops growing due to prosperity and educated females.

      Until then, go away chicken little.

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    15. Re:Won't happen by boristdog · · Score: 2

      I think the point was "humans are special to other humans, but not to anyone or anything else" The universe doesn't need us, we need the universe.

    16. Re:Won't happen by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2

      Julian Simon made a career of making 10 year bets on issues of shortage, longevity, and general health, vs. gloom-and-doomers.

      That's a wild overstatement. He made two such bets, one with Paul Ehrlich over metals prices and one with David South over timber prices; he won the first bet and lost the second. This isn't "made a career" of anything, and it has all the predictive power of flipping a coin.

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    17. Re:Won't happen by oreiasecaman · · Score: 2

      Eventually, Malthus will be right.

      Eventually, the universe will reach heat death where all useful energy has been used.

      That's not going to happen.

      You're wrong

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    18. Re:Won't happen by j-beda · · Score: 2

      Err, did you just try to prove the research wrong by quoting from the numbers that the research proved wrong? Here's a clue: those numbers on wikipedia are wrong. That's what the article is about.

      I realise it's tradition not to read the article, but to completely ignore the point of even the summary seems excessive, no?

      OK, I'll try to do this as disdainfully as the AC:

      Err, did you just try to claim that "the research" on future trends "proved wrong" historical demographics data? Here's a clue: those numbers quoted on the historical population and its growth rate were not questioned by the UN/UW research. That's not what the article is about.

      I realize it's a tradition not to understand anyone's comments, but to completely fail to understand that even the summary is talking about projections while my comments were talking about historical demographics seem excessive, no?

      The research did not prove that the Wikipedia numbers are wrong. Nobody has questioned the current and historical numbers, all the research quoted in the article was about possible future trends. The Wikipedia numbers quoted were all historical, and contradict the assertion that the population has been increasing at an accelerating rate. The population has been increasing at a decelerating rate since 1963, when the rate of increase was the highest. The current world population growth rate is about 1%, which has a doubling time of a bit less than 77 years, and over the 87 years till 2100 would bring us to (1.01)^87 = 2.377 times the current population (resulting in a population of about 16.6 billion). Thus to reach 11 billion, the average growth rate will need to be LESS than 1%

      Thus the UN/UW article is in no way asserting that the population has been increasing at an accelerating rate, and in fact require that the growth rate decrease from its present 1% growth rate in order to match the numbers that they arrive at.

    19. Re:Won't happen by the+phantom · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am honestly more concerned with the attitude upthread. That is, it bothers me that people are so callous and lacking in empathy that they would actively hope that billions die in misery. This particular rationalization was the straw that broke the camel's back.

    20. Re:Won't happen by DaviDrahkar · · Score: 2

      Obligatory XKCD: http://xkcd.com/605/

  3. 30-Year Projections Are Useless by powermung · · Score: 3, Insightful

    let alone 86+ years

    1. Re:30-Year Projections Are Useless by Alomex · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually 30 year projections when it comes to population are pretty accurate as the people who will be having children in thirty years are already born and hence their number is exact, all that is missing is the reproduction rate, which moves slowly.

      This is a common mistake by people who are not familiar with population projections. Thirty year time spans are "short" when it comes to population whereas they are absurdly long for almost anything else.

    2. Re:30-Year Projections Are Useless by Alomex · · Score: 4, Informative

      That assumes there are no epidemics, wars, economic depressions, or other fluctuations.

      No, it doesn't. All those have a modest impact on the combined population of the world. I.e. save a global pandemic or thermo-nuclear world war III, those figures will come to pass.

      we could easily have another 1918 flu

      Easily as in "it hasn't happened in 100 years and the probability is now ever lower with all the latest medical advances"

      or world war which kills 10%+ of the population.

      WWII, the deadliest global war ever killed 2.5% of the population.

  4. Fearmongering in 3...2...1... by intermodal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I fully expect this comments section to be full of "but what about all the resources we need for..." fears about "overpopulation". Where there's a will, there's a way. The zero population growth people would have us believe that the numbers are very different from what they really are, but the world can produce a lot more food than we do, and with minimal changes, it could be greatly increased.

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    1. Re:Fearmongering in 3...2...1... by Holi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Food sure, but water? No desalinization is expensive and we already have water problems without a solution here in the First World. Imagine how much more trouble it causes the 3rd World.

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    2. Re:Fearmongering in 3...2...1... by intermodal · · Score: 2

      You're saying something is presently costly, not that it's impossible or even that difficult.

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    3. Re:Fearmongering in 3...2...1... by Threni · · Score: 2

      A cure for religion would be handy too.

    4. Re:Fearmongering in 3...2...1... by Princeofcups · · Score: 2

      ...the world can produce a lot more food than we do, and with minimal changes, it could be greatly increased.

      Patently absurd, unless your definition if minimal change mean "whatever change is needed bar the consequences." The US, Europe, and Middle East were practically deforested over the last 2000 years. Thousand of species have forced to extinction. The Great Plains of the US are now a great desert. Stalin did pretty much the same thing in Russia. The great reefs of the world are on a decline and probably unrecoverable. And, what, climate change/global warming doesn't exist either? Our footprint is on the planet in a big way, and it will only get worse.

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    5. Re:Fearmongering in 3...2...1... by Alomex · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually desalinization is coming down in price rapidly, in part because of better osmotic processes in part because cheaper and more efficient solar energy makes it more economical (bonus: most places where water is scarce are sunny).

  5. Don't Trust Long Term Predictions by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

    I wouldn't put much faith in long term predictions. 2100 is 87 years away. 87 years ago, it was 1926. In 1927, the world's population reached 2 billion (up from 1 billion in 1804). Had they made a prediction then, they would have likely guessed that we'd hit 3 billion by 2049. Maybe 4 billion if they thought we were doubling population numbers. In addition, if someone from 1926 tried predicting what the technology of 2013 would be like, I highly doubt they'd be anywhere close.

    My prediction? In 87 years, the world will look in many ways the same and in many ways vastly different in ways that I couldn't begin to imagine at this point.

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  6. Re:Not a problem here by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2

    Selfishness? No, Selfishness is having too many kids, it's rather selfless to not reproduce.

    Selfishness is not having kids but expecting that you're going to be cared for by other peoples kids. It's selfishness when it's done by the individual, and it's selfish when it's done as an "immigration" policy. Face it. We, as a culture, transformed sex into a sport, and now we survive by stealing other peoples children. It's worst in North America... this continent is where genetic material comes to die.

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  7. The Daleks will help control the population growth by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Funny

    Exterminate, EXTERMINATE!

  8. Easy fix by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 2

    Free software engineering degrees. The massive increase in geek population will no doubt cause reproduction rates to plummet. Throw in government-subsidized WoW accounts and we'll have negative population growth in 4 years tops!

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  9. Malthusian Horror Fantasies by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Predictions of Malthusian nightmares rarely seem to take birth control into account. We should keep in mind that effective hormonal birth control has only been widely available in the West since the seventies. In that short (yes, very short) amount of time it had to become both cheap enough and socially acceptable enough to make a demographic dent. We're only beginning to see the effects but even so 48% of the world's population lives in countries with sub-replacement fertility rates. Immigration props up most of the developed world demographically, but even so countries with some of the most advanced economies, like Germany and Japan, are experiencing a contraction of their populations. Indeed the latter, with its aversion to immigration, faces demographic collapse.

    There's a lot of reason to be concerned about pressure of resources as the developing world grows and developing economies advance. But much of the increased pressure is caused by people taking on aspects of Western life--consumerism, purchase of electronic conveniences which become apparent necessities (cell phone, computers, etc), and the increasing use of cars. But aside from stable polities, few things make life more comfortable in the West than birth control. If there was a bit of lag time, and indeed a small amount, before widespread adoption of birth control in the West would make a demographic difference, why should we not expect developing countries to follow suit shortly?

  10. The horse poop will be 6ft deep in Chicago... by ducomputergeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Read a headline from the 1890's in the Tribune when they estimated the horse poop would be 6ft deep by 1920 in the streets. Of course then came the automobile. That's the problem with all these long term prediction models. Things change in ways they never can account for.

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  11. I don't really think this will slow down by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've said for years it won't slow down like they think.

    You are already seeing subcultures in the 1st world which are breeding at a higher rate for a variety of reasons (religion is significant).

    If you view humans as a virus- those which breed quickly seem plausible to become the dominant group in the population.

    Sad, because the earth is a paradise at about 2 to 3 billion.

    We are way past the earth's carrying capacity and it's too late to change anything.

    I expect that, like deer, we'll do fine until there is a glitch, virus, etc. and then a billion or more will die fairly quickly. Hopefully after I'm dead of natural causes.

    We are making a lot of progress on disease so I'm thinking disruption of food delivery or destruction of water supply is more likely-- lots of aquifers being drawn down now.

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