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Microsoft To Start Dumping Surface RT To Schools For $199
onyxruby writes "In a move that will remind many of Apple in the '80s, Microsoft is going to start dumping Surface RT computers to educational institutions. In an effort to try to gain mindshare for their struggling Surface RT platform, Microsoft is giving away 10,000 Surface RTs to teachers through the International Society for Technology in Education. They're also preparing to offer $199 Surface RTs to K12 and higher education institutions. The strategy of flooding the educational market was quite successful for Apple. Unfortunately for Microsoft, today's computers require management and the Surface RT presents significant management challenges in terms of the inability to join the computer to a domain or available management tools."
How would this remind people of Apple in the 80s? The Apple II was not a dud product being price dumped to clear inventory.
[citation needed] You know, actual evidence.
Unfortunately, Surface RT requires that secure boot must not be possible to disable. The only way to get Linux on these things is to install an additional key or an approved boot loader, and that can be very complicated.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Sounds like something schoolkids could figure out pretty quick.
Waiting for an amusing sig.
Yep.
At $49, I might buy one. At $199, I still expect to get something for my money. I discovered this recently when I bought a Chromebook on a whim. It was back in the box and returned in a few days. I thought I wouldn't care if it was just a toy at that price but I was wrong. I spent another $105 to get a quad-core 17.3" laptop and installed Chrome on it. Gives me the Chrome experience in addition to being able to do all kinds of other stuff.
Remembering the time when Apple was pushing Apple II's in schools, I sure don't recall kids "hating it" because they felt "forced to use something" --- for the majority of kids, it was their first and only opportunity to use a computer at all. Playing those Apple II games was something new and exciting, that they'd be unlikely to have access to at home (without both well-off and technologically cutting-edge parents).
In this case, however, I agree with you --- a lot of kids (pretty much all of them from a middle class socioeconomic background) will already have seen better computers (or even have one in their pocket). Dumping crappy cheap tech on schools for a tax writeoff and some publicity isn't particularly going to be awe-inspiring for the kids. But, it will stall school administrations from considering switching to less Microsoft-centric platforms for at least a few more years; and, even if the kids don't like it, they'll be blocked from learning much about alternatives when they have to do classwork in Microsoft Office instead of [insert superior alternatives here].
What they did was confuse the hell out of people. At first Microsoft was touting a tablet that could run Windows Apps called the surface. What they meant was the Surface pro. Instead the device that got released first was the RT and it still had the name "windows". Most people looking at them, and I know of one business that bought a couple, did so thinking they could run existing windows programs. They got 'em home and learned they couldn't.
At least Apple makes it clear that while underneath the hood, both MacOS and iOS share many of the same parts, they are entirely different OS's designed for different purposes. Microsoft failed to do that with the Surface.
The next problem is that the Surface Pro is $1000. At that price what is the incentive to buy it? You can buy a convertible ultra book for just a few dollars more.
"The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money" - Thatcher.
Especially since Linux drivers for a Windows tablet thats apparently designed be bootloader-locked aren't going to be forthcoming.
Dumping 3rd rate technology in schools, in the hopes that children cannot tell the level of substandard they are presented with.
Whether they are "substandard" or not, depends on what the children do with them. I.e. whether they work within the (assumed) confines of the technology, or are inspired to set and achieve their own limits.
There was a time when geeks were defined by taking whatever was at hand and adapting/extending it to whatever their imaginations came up with. Now ./ is overrun with crabby fanbois who define geek as "good at XBox even though M$ is teh suxxor", apparently. Oh well.
It comes with Office, so it's a business computer that can also play the tablet game, right?
Except that there's no Outlook. Try getting business done without that.
And you can't join a domain. That goes hand-in-hand with the above.
And most critical to anyone who just wants to get work done: it's not x86-compatible, and you're limited to Windows Store apps.
Who the hell came up with this horrible hodgepodge of an OS? And who expected anyone to pay a premium price for it? They'll be lucky if they can get these things to move even for $200!
Man is the animal that laughs.
And occasionally whores for Karma.
I was recently running a poll, and I found out that at least 20% of our department faculty own a Surface tablet of one sort or another - and that was before this move was announced. 20% of our faculty, and that's assuming none of the non-responders own a Surface.
I was seriously shocked. Android and iOS tablets are apparently less popular than Surface among our EE faculty. We've got some pretty close ties to Microsoft, but that is still surprising.
#DeleteChrome
I'm probably one of the few on here who have used an RT. Picked one up for $99 + keyboard at TechEd, and used it all week at the conference to take notes/surf/do work. Honestly, for your basic user who wants surfing/word docs, it's perfectly fine.
Also - I have an iPad that I love, but I couldn't dream of doing the work I was doing on the surface. The desktop mode is very nice, plus it just seems more workable when I can VPN in just like my PC at home. When comparing iPad to Surface for doing actual work, it's not event close, the Surface wins by a landslide.
Good I was looking to replace my HP Touchpad.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Did they? Because I went to high school during that time period, and it's my recollection that every geek wanted an Apple.
Most of them ended up with Commodores, or worse.
So they will abandon one doomed platform for another?
Without x86 legacy applications, there just isn't that much reason to bother with Windows.
On the other hand, pretty much anything available for Linux is available as source and can be rebuilt for alternative platforms. If not by the author than by some interested 3rd party.
Windows on ARM is a shadow of it's x86 variant.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
If they're running Win8 then I can kind of understand it. WinRT not so much...
You can run any code on a general purpose computer. It doesn't matter if it was made by Atari, or Sun, or IBM.
Yes, in the worst case, you write a bytecode emulator. The performance sucks when the OS manufacturer is throwing artificial hurdles into your path.
Ezekiel 23:20
Yeah, because that worked so well for OS/2.
If I were God, wouldn't I protect my churches from acts of me?
How exactly is that enforcable? You let the user run code, and they get to run code. How exactly can you prevent them from doing things when they aren't calling system APIs to do it? You can't exactly distinguish between computing the derivative of some engineering problem and compiling bytecode...
For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
I think you are confusing "not possible" for "not permitted."
I think you'll find the two are not equivalent out here in the Real World.
For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
I can feed it to my dog. ...and when he 'reboots', my other dog will try to eat it.
The government which is strong enough to protect you from everything is strong enough to take everything from you.
No, that only applies if the manufacturer in question is trying to gain a competitive advantage. Given Balmer's mishandling of Microsoft over the past decade, it's hard to argue that Microsoft is competing with anyone other than themselves.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
I would have been glad to have one... if not for the bootloader lockdown bullshit.
Foot, meet bullet.
For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
Perhaps you can't stop the compilation - but you can sure as hell stop the execution.
(in Agent Smith voice)
Mr. Anderson, what good is in-process compiled code when you are unable to call it?
And the worms ate into his brain.
Well, Surface may or may not be crappy, but all kids these days have already got their allegiance to ipad/iphone or Android, and dumping Surface at a slight discount is not necessarily going to do much for them. Hey, but if I were them, I'd probably try it too. Worth a shot. But my guess is MS will get bored with this quickly like they do with most of their ideas that don't generate instant cash, and that will be that.
Because you have the make-for-windows tablet for only $199, or your principal buys it and hands it to you and tells you to use it. Thus you need to put a reasonable OS on it to make it usable. Remember these RTs dont come with Windows 8, they come with Windows 8 RT, which means metro-only except for some extremely limited desktop, and all apps must be signed and approved (ie, Microsoft Store ONLY). Thus they ship as unusable devices by default.
All executables on Windows 8 RT must be signed before they're allowed to run. You won't even get an "are you sure" dialog box. Thus no software is possible without prior permission from Microsoft. Sure you may have some nice byte code emulator but it's useless if you can't get it signed.
At least the dumpster has E.T. game cartridges to talk to
Table-ized A.I.
Hey, that's unfair: Linux actually has some apps!
Circumcision is child abuse.
Perhaps everyone interested in computers with parents willing and (financially) able to support that interest... but, in reality, for the overwhelming majority of kids, the Apple II in school (or other school computer lab device) was their first and only chance to use a computer (to even find out if they were interested). A C64 at $595 in 1982 is equivalent to ~$1400 today (depending on how you inflation adjust) --- a pretty hefty chunk of money for a "kid's toy" in a world before computer use would be widely recognized by the general public as a vital skill.
It sounds all dirty when you call it a commie :D
Hey, at least they have got Internet Explorer!
I think the schools should be paid more than $199 per RT.