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Data Miners Liken Obama Voters To Caesars Gamblers

theodp writes "As Steve Wozniak publicly laments how government used new technologies he introduced in unintended ways to monitor people, the NY Times reports how the digital masterminds behind the Obama Presidential campaign are cashing in by bringing the secret, technologically advanced formulas used for reaching voters to commercial advertisers. 'The plan is to bring the same Big Data expertise that guided the most expensive presidential campaign in history to companies and nonprofits,' explains Civis Analytics, which is backed by Google Chairman and Obama advisor Eric Schmidt. Also boasting senior members of Obama's campaign team is Analytics Media Group (A.M.G.), which pitched that 'keeping gamblers loyal to Caesars was not all that different from keeping onetime Obama voters from straying to Mitt Romney.' The extent to which the Obama campaign used the newest tech tools to look into people's lives was largely shrouded, the Times reports, but included data mining efforts that triggered Facebook's internal safeguard alarms. ... 'We asked to see [voter's Facebook] photos but really we were looking for who were tagged in photos with you, which was a really great way to dredge up old college friends — and ex-girlfriends.' The Times also explains how the Obama campaign was able to out-optimize the Romney campaign on TV buys by obtaining set-top box TV show viewing information from cable companies for voters on the Obama campaign's 'persuadable voters' list. "

166 comments

  1. This wouldn't be a problem by mozumder · · Score: 0, Insightful

    If humans weren't so predictable.

    Each one of you could be modeled as a computer program.

    LOL @ people that think they have freewill.

    1. Re:This wouldn't be a problem by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      Is it a problem now? Is it the kind of problem we didn't have in the past?

    2. Re:This wouldn't be a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, no we cannot. People can be predictable, a person not so much. It's the aggregate that they are working with and using large numbers to make the return acceptable. The reason it works is that the decisions made by the majority of a given grouping, in a known situation, will be similar to the decision made by their peers if you get the grouping right. This averages out over a large enough population. A single person will deviate from the norm in wildly unpredictable ways, medical conditions, past traumas, formative experiences, familial connections and many more unknowns will cause a person who seems outwardly to fit the grouping, to suddenly veer off the predicted course of action for no known reason.

    3. Re:This wouldn't be a problem by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      In other words, shut up or I'll replace you with a very small script!

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    4. Re:This wouldn't be a problem by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dude, if the founding fathers could see what came out of their dream, they'd probably go "why bother" too.

      And you better don't ask "What would Jesus do". I'm pretty sure it would be along the lines of "get nailed up there for THOSE idiots's sins? Dude, I'm Jesus, but there's even limits to my compassion!"

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    5. Re: This wouldn't be a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why I roll dice for all my important decisions!

    6. Re: This wouldn't be a problem by pwinkeler · · Score: 1

      Time to re-read Asimov's Foundation Trilogy it would seem

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    7. Re:This wouldn't be a problem by duhjim · · Score: 1

      Thats what they seem to say about prime numbers.

    8. Re:This wouldn't be a problem by Meski · · Score: 1

      The problem is many people could be modeled on an abacus.

  2. Well, yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    People who vote for either of the two main parties are incredibly idiotic, so this isn't much of a surprise.

    1. Re:Well, yeah. by davydagger · · Score: 1, Insightful

      you think so, until you find out the massive operation put in place to keep them compliant, and how good it is meshing facts with fiction, and discrediting/sabatouging opposition.

      While its easy to laugh at people inside the bubble, be aware they have no easy way out as their political landscape has become a house a mirrors, set up by google.

    2. Re:Well, yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      be aware they have no easy way out as their political landscape has become a house a mirrors, set up by google

      your tinfoil hat is tight enough to cut off the blood supply

    3. Re:Well, yeah. by The+Snowman · · Score: 2

      While its easy to laugh at people inside the bubble, be aware they have no easy way out as their political landscape has become a house a mirrors, set up by google.

      Your post actually made sense up until that point. This has been going on far longer than Google has existed.

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    4. Re:Well, yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      While it's true it has been going on for a while the information bias that comes with personalized searches increases the effect. Search for Obama on a right-wing person's computer and you will get different results than the same search on a left-wing person's computer.

    5. Re:Well, yeah. by cffrost · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People who vote for either of the two main parties are incredibly idiotic, so this isn't much of a surprise.

      I agree, and I want to add that among those voters, the worst (in my opinion) are those who're able to abandon their own principles on a critical non-partisan issue based upon whether there's a Demoblican or a Republocrat in office. I can't wrap my head around it, but I find it appalling — they've got zero fucking integrity* and have no business in a voting booth.

      * Just like the D/R candidates.

      For those interested, here are the full results from Pew Research's domestic surveillance poll, showing additional demographic breakdowns.

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    6. Re:Well, yeah. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      Your rose colored glasses are only good for reading the charts on the old G.I. Joe action figure packages, you should take them off now.

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    7. Re:Well, yeah. by pecosdave · · Score: 4, Interesting

      During the elections I pointed out many times how my Google Plus feed was filling up with pro-Obama post on a regular basis from people I didn't know who weren't associated with people I did know. Sometimes these would only have a +5 and one or two reshares if even that. On the other hand I saw two or three Romney post come through the entire election cycle, and then only if they had something akin to a +70 and a dozen reshares or so.

      To put it in perspective I thought they were both bad choices for the country, I was a Ron Paul/Gary Johnson fan and I'm a Libertarian who doesn't like either of those Bozo's. There was little doubt Google was really, really, trying hard to get me Obamafied and was almost upset it wasn't working.

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    8. Re:Well, yeah. by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      This is one of the main reasons I want this country to abandon its two-party system.

      With three or more parties of nearly-equal size, you can't completely vote on party lines and expect a victory. You can't piss off everyone who isn't in your party and expect to get anywhere. Congress might have to, I don't know, think.

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    9. Re:Well, yeah. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I agree, and I want to add that among those voters, the worst (in my opinion) are those who're able to abandon their own principles [washingtonexaminer.com] on a critical non-partisan issue

      A good portion of those probably don't consider it a critical issue at all, that's why they're willing to flip.

      Don't think that because an issue is important to you, it is important to everyone.

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    10. Re:Well, yeah. by rockout · · Score: 1

      There's a big difference between a Google+ feed and search results for regular Google searches. But thanks for conflating the two.

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    11. Re:Well, yeah. by mi · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is one of the main reasons I want this country to abandon its two-party system.

      Oh, not again. Every once in a while ignorant people complain about America's "two-party system" — failing to account for the vast differences between our political system and that of most of the Democracies of the world.

      You see, we do not have parties in the same sense as other countries. Voters here vote for individuals, whose party-affiliation is fluid and non-binding. Every once in a while an elected official may switch their party — without any legal consequences. In other countries voters vote for a party, who then pick individual politicians to fill the slots the legislature. The number of slots is in proportion to the total number share of votes won by the party.

      Though some State-laws regulate the parties in the US, there is nothing about them in our Constitution or Federal Law. And for good reason — Americans vote for individuals, not parties. Whether that's "better" or "worse" is another topic, but it is different. There is no law regulating the establishing of a party, or how it is operated. Oh, and we have multiple parties: Communists of different kind (as usual for them), Libertarians, Green... That they aren't winning many offices is not the fault of the system...

      BTW, if you think, a multi-party system (however it is achieved) will automatically be better — think again.

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    12. Re:Well, yeah. by pecosdave · · Score: 1, Insightful

      There's a difference between a Cadillac and a Chevy, but many of the parts are still interchangeable and they both have the same motive of making money for the same people. Thanks for attempting to cover up motives with technicalities.

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    13. Re:Well, yeah. by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 1

      So lots of posts that appealed to more people overall, were somehow better than a few posts (that were espousing a narrow viewpoint) that were liked by a small group of people who potentially like every post?

    14. Re:Well, yeah. by rockout · · Score: 0

      Wow, a car analogy to demonstrate a failed point on slashdot! How original, and ineffective. I'll spell it out for you - when you do a Google search, you'd like to see the same results that everyone else sees, and an AC was claiming that a search for "Obama" was resulting in different results on a left-wing and right-wing person's computer. Meanwhile, on Google+ you'd EXPECT to get results tailored to you, but you felt like it was the same thing, I guess.

      Exactly what "motives" are being covered up? (this is the part where you get to reveal that you're a conspiracy-theory fan and everyone breathes a sigh of relief "okay, he's a nutjob, move along....")

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    15. Re:Well, yeah. by ScentCone · · Score: 2

      This is one of the main reasons I want this country to abandon its two-party system.

      The country doesn't have a two party system. It has individuals that choose to associated into groups (parties) to maximize their chance of getting things done in elections and legislative efforts.

      The parties we happen to see right now are always in a state of flux (really, there was political history before you were old enough to pay attention). People's participation in those parties ebb and flow, and the priorities focused on by the parties changes with all sorts of variables.

      If you were to decide to unconstitutionally ban the activities of the Democrat and Republican parties, people would just congregate around something by a different name. That freedom to associate is fundamental. It has nothing to do with a "system," in that the ways that political parties organize themselves or caucus together in the legislature isn't part of the constitution or within government purview, per se. What you're saying is that you think the constitution's protection of freedom of assembly is old fashioned, and you think the government should dictate who can gather into and act as a group. Nice.

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    16. Re:Well, yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does somebody need to explain to you the concept of advertising?

    17. Re:Well, yeah. by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sigh, you use the label "paranoid nutjob" so you can dismiss what he is saying without actually thinking about it. The International Left has a Jedi Mind-Trick for weak willed people. Look up 'Cultural Marxism' on YouTube. Learn about the history of Cultural Marxism, and how your response is *exactly* how you've been conditioned to behave.

      pecosdave's position is correct if you are believer in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights (I am, despite not being a US citizen). The Obama campaign has been in overdrive and he points out how this was so, in his experience. Furthermore, it appears you are an Obama supporter. Have you noticed what the man you elected has been doing? He has been attempting to push laws to neuter aspects of the Constitution, and using Executive Orders to rule by dictate. Now, he is not the only politician to have done this (Clinton, GW Bush etc nearly as bad).

      Either you agree with the Constitution (Libertarian) or you don't (Democrat or 'RINO' Republican - where your 'political tribe' feels it can dismantle the Constitution as an 'anachronism'). pecosdave does. I do. Perhaps you ought to consider your position on the issue before you start throwing around the 'nutjob' label. Have you ever considered that perhaps the reason you don't understand pecosdave's position is that he is possession of a substantial number of more facts than you are - which is why react the way you do (and the reason you know less than pecosdave is that the Cultural Marxists running the mainstream media are holding a lot of information back to protect their man, Obama, no matter how egregarious the actions of his regime become). Think about it, please.
      http://www.breitbart.com/
      Breitbart is not unbaised, for sure - but you will find many facts there that are *actively suppressed* by mainstream media (New York Times, LA Times, BBC, Washington Post, Huffington Post, the US TV networks etc). Get clued up, dude.

    18. Re:Well, yeah. by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 0, Informative

      It's called "tribal politics". Both the Democrats and Republicans rely on this as they progressively neuter the Constitution and change the balance between the people, States and Federal Government to elevate the agenda of the latter as primary. Only the US Libertarians (Tea Party etc) try to preserve the balance and keep the Constitution and Bill of Rights as the primary drivers.

    19. Re:Well, yeah. by dryeo · · Score: 1

      I think you're reading too much into the parents wishes. He never said anything about forcing the end of the 2 party system, just wishing. I wish lots of things that aren't practical as they'd infringe on peoples rights, but it would be nice if people voluntarily changed in some ways.
      Besides, there are constitutional things that can be done to encourage more parties, splitting up the elections would go a long ways. If a State elects its legislature at a different time as the Federals do it, State issues would be more important and alternative parties might appear. Same with municipal elections being divorced from the parent governments. I think that is one of the reasons that Canada has more parties, a provincial election is not tied in any way to a federal election and new parties appear at the provincial level quite often. Of course our constitution doesn't have fixed elections, just maximums and if a government doesn't pass a budget, they fall, usually leading to an election even if there was just one. The voters get pissed off if there are too many elections which encourages the government to actually have a budget unlike the States where not passing a budget doesn't seem to have much in the way of repercussions.

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    20. Re:Well, yeah. by pecosdave · · Score: 0

      This is one of the best replies I've ever seen to address the "only those with approved opinions bear consideration" phenomenon I so frequently see from the less free thinking members of the left.

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    21. Re:Well, yeah. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      Good point - I always had in my mind how proudly, publicly, and notoriously left wing the people at the top of Google were. I didn't really stopped to consider they may have paid to have those seemingly written by an individual posts promoted on the "what's hot" feed, but it would fit the AstroTurfing model quite well.

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    22. Re:Well, yeah. by Magius_AR · · Score: 1

      The country doesn't have a two party system. It has individuals that choose to associated into groups (parties) to maximize their chance of getting things done in elections and legislative efforts.

      Hrm, I wonder how many of these "parties" in our "system" are electable.

  3. Compulsive gamblers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Yeah, the country's out billions but hell, put it all on red for another spin.

    1. Re:Compulsive gamblers by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 4, Funny

      put it all on red for another spin.

      No, the last two times they put it on black.

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    2. Re:Compulsive gamblers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Black, red, what difference does it make?

    3. Re:Compulsive gamblers by Megane · · Score: 1

      And the ball landed in Zero.

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    4. Re:Compulsive gamblers by Main+Gauche · · Score: 1

      put it all on red for another spin.

      No, the last two times they put it on black.

      Don't you mean blue?

    5. Re:Compulsive gamblers by ericloewe · · Score: 1

      You don't seem to be much a roulette guy.

    6. Re:Compulsive gamblers by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

      None. But the amount of times we get zero I'd somehow feel like that table is rigged somehow.

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    7. Re:Compulsive gamblers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously it is time to bet on green!

    8. Re:Compulsive gamblers by idunham · · Score: 1

      WOOSH!

    9. Re:Compulsive gamblers by idunham · · Score: 1

      +1, Insightful.

    10. Re:Compulsive gamblers by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      In French the word "nul" means both zero and idiot. *Cough* Dubya, *ahem* twice.

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  4. And people thought it was just the NSA looking. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hah. They're just the obvious snoops, and at least they pretend to care about national security.

    Politicians wanting to be elected have even less scruples.

    1. Re:And people thought it was just the NSA looking. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love Facebook's engineers' response: sigh and tell them not to keep digging through the data after the election.

      I'm glad Facebook is there to protect my data and my privacy.

  5. Effectiveness of all of this by m00sh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When Netflix furor broke out about being able to identify a person by the ratings they gave, it turns out that it was only possible when a person had rated an obscure movie (and had cross rated the same movie over different websites).

    When Target furor broke out out predicting pregnancy, it was based largely on if you bought a certain type of cream.

    I know data mining and such is an attractive but most times it just boils down to some obscure identifier over all the data. Optimizing this and balancing hundreds of factors, does that even work?

    1. Re:Effectiveness of all of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the only way to hide in the crowd is to be like everyone else and not to stand out by saying/preferring things that are different.

    2. Re:Effectiveness of all of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      one obscure element sure helps but the sum of many not so reveling elements make them reveling (the more factors you have, the more likely you get one that is helping you.... even weak factors helps (they can help you identify only a small percentage, but combined with other factors, they are helpful)

    3. Re:Effectiveness of all of this by khallow · · Score: 1

      I know data mining and such is an attractive but most times it just boils down to some obscure identifier over all the data.

      The more data you have the more obscure identifiers you have. But there has to be declining returns to this.

      Even with perfect knowledge of your customers, you still can only get them to buy so much (after all, they get only so much money). And I think the customer base gets resistant to marketing techniques as well (especially given how unsubtle those techniques tend to be).

    4. Re:Effectiveness of all of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Effective at what though?

      Bet this guy would have loved such technology.

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      "You are what you eat." variably that old saying also includes what you don't eat.

      Your pathing can be predicted by the GPS records on your cell/car and/or your cell tower connection history as where you used your credit/debit card to a lesser degree.

      You have purchased ingredients for making a bomb. You may not know it but you have.

      The list goes on and on and on.

  6. so let me get this straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The guy who broke his public campaign financing pledge and keeps complaining about "money in politics" is using expensive, privacy-invading big data analytics to manipulate the public to elect him. And now the same guys are going to help corporations put their manipulative techniques to good use. OK, just remember that come next election.

  7. That's not why Obama won by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    1) The Democrats had the better candidate, in the sense of being able to connect with voters on the campaign trail. Mitt Romney made one gaffe after another during the primary season, all showing how out of touch he was, so his campaign staff deliberately kept him off the trail for an entire critical month before the Republican convention. One more slip during the fall campaign - the "we had binders full of women" boast during the second debate, even more remarkable because it was clearly a planned talking point - reinforced all the doubts the independent voters had about him.

    2) Immigration. Romney made a tactical decision (not personal) before the 2008 election to pander to the Republican base on the issue, as a way of answering any doubts about whether he was a conservative. He stuck to that course in 2012. He lost the pretty close to the entire Hispanic vote in the general election; other groups, including Asians and African Americans, were also apparently turned off by what appeared to be Romney's and the Republican Party's whites-only strategy.

    3) While the economy was still relatively weak last November, Romney's ability to capitalize it was neutralized by the Bain Capital attacks started by Newt Gingrich and continued by the Democrats, and of course the fact that the housing and banking crisis and collapse of the economy occurred during Bush's watch with Bush's tax policies and Treasury/SEC administration.

    Obama certainly had better IT, but that was far down on the list of factors.

    1. Re:That's not why Obama won by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They had the "candidate" (read: meaningless distraction puppet) who was better at LYING.

      Post-election, they are EXACTLY the same, since they are "electoral property" owned by the exact same abusive feudalistic companies.

      INB4 gullible believers in the system (= the opposite but just as crazy extreme to conspiracy theorists) being in denial.

    2. Re:That's not why Obama won by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Mitt Romney made one gaffe after another during the primary season, all showing how out of touch he was[...]

      I'm pretty sure that all politicians make this kind of "gaffe": they tailor their message to the audience they are speaking to, and tell that audience what the audience wants to hear.

      The actual difference in this last election was infiltration and filming of Romney's messages to nominally conservative groups so that theoretically select group messages were surreptitiously recorded, and then those recordings were made public at strategic points during the campaign.

      This was a technologically enhanced smear tactic, and it worked. If the Republicans had thought of it, and used it too, then it would have worked against Obama as well.

    3. Re:That's not why Obama won by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Oh, pleeeeeeeeeease.....

      "The Democrats had the better candidate, in the sense of being able to connect with voters on the campaign trail. Mitt Romney made one gaffe after another during the primary season,"

      Obama is a gaffe machine... he said he thought he'd been to 57 states and had one more to visit... he clearly did not know what a navy medic was... he has repeatedly gone to ceremonies honoring dead people and announced that he saw many of those he was there to honor in the audience... on and on and on.... but if you get your news from the mainstream media or comedy central you do not know this stuff because they hide his gaffes just like they hid JFK's numerous affairs and his drug use and just like they hid Bill Clinton's proclivities when he was a candidate (something Chris Matthews admitted on TV during the Lewinski affair). Democrats ridiculed VP candidate Palin for writing a couple words on her hand as a reminder prior to a speech, but there have been repeated events proving Obama cannot give a speech w/o the full text on a teleprompter or on paper in his hands (Reminder: Palins entire 2008 convention speech was off-the-cuff and w/o notes... the teleprompters failed as she walked onto the stage)

      "the "we had binders full of women" boast during the second debate..."

      Democrat politicians all over the country also have binders full of women, and blacks, and hispanics, etc (people they have pre-screened to some degree to have a head-start on political appointments should they win an election to an executive office... one of the biggest jokes of the 2012 campaign is that democrats twisted that comment into fake outrage and cheerfully implied the comment was somehow related to placing women in bondage

      "Immigration. Romney made a tactical decision (not personal) before the 2008 election to pander to the Republican base on the issue, as a way of answering any doubts about whether he was a conservative. He stuck to that course in 2012. He lost the pretty close to the entire Hispanic vote in the general election;"

      Republicans have a long tradition (all the way back to Abraham Lincoln) as a party (though admittedly not all of their candidates) that does not have different policies for different groups of people based on their skin color. Democrats, who for their entire history back to and including the KKK and slavery have always been fixated on skin color. Over the past few decades, Democrats have twisted this into all-out pandering to racial groups and they claim that Republicans who refuse to pander are racists. No matter how hard a Republican candidate tries to break-out from his party tradition by race-pandering, he can never out-pander a Democrat (Even when George W offered Amnesty, 60% of the hispanic vote went to the Democrats who offered amnesty with more hand-outs

      "the fact that the housing and banking crisis and collapse of the economy occurred during Bush's watch with Bush's tax policies and Treasury/SEC administration."

      Ahhh yes... The congress went to the Democrats in 2006 and they used their power to block the Bush admin attempt to stop the risky home loan activity at Govt-run FannieMae and FreddieMac. Leading Democrats like Senator Chris Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank ridiculed the idea that anything bad was happening and that there was any danger in the home loan marketplace. Then Democrat senators Joe Biden and Barack Obama both voted along with ALL democrats in the senate to stop Bush from preventing the disaster (Bush himself had no vote and, without senate approval, had no legal authority to intervene) Bush was FAR from perfect... but he was less to blame for the meltdown than the Democrat congress (and the Clintons... who during the 90's had kicked all the risky home loans into overdrive as a national policy that "everyone deserves" to own a home...)

      "Obama certainly had better IT, but that was far down on the list of factors."

      Actually, Obama HAD competent IT... Romney had none... a

    4. Re:That's not why Obama won by nojayuk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Some politicians believe today they can speak privately to groups of supporters and those words will not be recorded and released to the world, or their secrets revealed by well-connected insiders. In the past this was true; either there was no cheap easy method to record their words and deeds (phone cameras, fifty-buck video recorders etc.) or the gatekeeper press would simply not report what they knew (FDR in a wheelchair, JFK's medical problems, Reagan's Alzheimers etc.) The world has changed and successful politicians are aware of this. If you don't want what you say made public then don't say it to anyone.

      Governor Romney deluded himself that his supposedly private fundraising speech would never be revealed to the rest of the world. That's part of the reason he lost the election. His own campaign's efforts in data collection and analysis and Get Out The Vote was as big and as complex as President Obama's but it was incompetently implemented (first live-fire test of a complex multilevel data delivery system involving thousands of operators on the day of the election? Really?) The only good thing that came out of that expensive fiasco was that several of his friends and colleagues made a lot of money out of it.

    5. Re:That's not why Obama won by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So, essentially, business as usual?

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    6. Re:That's not why Obama won by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Owned by the exact same abusive feudalistic companies... it's not true, and you know it ain't true. The parties are owned by very different abusive feudalistic companies, you have the free choice which corporations you want to rule you and rip you off.

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    7. Re:That's not why Obama won by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      off the top of my head:

      - to a heckler at a campaign rally: "Corporations are people too, my friend." (Apparently in reference to a Supreme Court ruling)
      - while visiting the London Olympics: "I must say that the lack of a security infrastructure here is very disconcerting." He became the London tabloids' clown boy for a week.
      - he told voters in Maryland that "I remember back in the days when I worried about getting a pink slip".
      - in New Hampshire he pretended to have been pinched in the butt by two middle aged ladies standing behind him. Then he explained that "everyone thought it was a great joke". The two ladies were offended by it, so I guess Mitt's buddy in prep school pulled it off better
      - after eating one of the baked cookies laid out on table by his staff in Pennsylvania, he told the crowd "We should be able to do better than this. These are the kinds of cookies you'd get at the 7-Eleven, not the home made kind, right ladies?" Turns out they were from a well-liked local bakery
      - in the infield of the Daytona 500, he tried joshing with racing fans who were wearing ponchos, saying "looks like everyone brought out their high end rain gear"
      - responding to a question, he said that he didn't get a chance to watch many NFL games, but he's good friends with some of the team owners

      And this isn't counting the famous "dog on the car roof" incident and the two times in the early 2000's he was busted by local newspaper reporters for having undocumented immigrants tending his lawn and tennis courts (!) in Belmont MA.

      If you were following the primaries you would have noticed a trend: ten days before each primary, with Romney outspending his opponents 5 to 1 with radio ads, Mitt would be up by double digits. Then as voting drew nearer, Santorum would narrow the gap and ended up winning many of them.

    8. Re:That's not why Obama won by stenvar · · Score: 1

      Obama certainly had better IT, but that was far down on the list of factors.

      Quite to the contrary: being able to tell each audience the lies that audience was vulnerable to, and being able to discredit Romney with just the right accusations for each segment of voters, was why Obama managed to get a second term. Objectively, based on his record and the contradictions between his promises and policies, he should have been kicked out and lost badly.

      Romney wasn't as good as Obama at lying, that's why he lost. (It might also have made him a slightly better president.)

    9. Re:That's not why Obama won by davydagger · · Score: 1

      but its hard when your opponents technology campaign is run pro-bono by the nation's biggest tech companies

    10. Re:That's not why Obama won by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Governor Romney deluded himself that his supposedly private fundraising speech would never be revealed to the rest of the world.

      Also, an overwhelming percentage of Big Media (meaning not just 'media bosses' but the rank-and-file reporters, etc.) were out and out Obama supporters. So any gaffe that Romney committed was instantly in play and out there. Whereas there are huge holes in the public's understanding of Obama and his private life and past yet today. There are even polished and well-recognized slur-names to refer to those who point this fact out.

    11. Re:That's not why Obama won by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That or anything you say will be taken out of context by those in power. Give you a hint, FOX is just a distraction; they carry the same messages as the rest of the media.

    12. Re: That's not why Obama won by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We all remember what happened in 2004. I think the article covers what happened in the last election.

      501c(4) is reserved for non political entities. Although a union can work under a (4), they exist to do more than get some guy elected while hiding the donors names under a tax scheme.

    13. Re:That's not why Obama won by stenvar · · Score: 1

      Did you vote in your last local, state, and federal elections? Did you vote for a third party candidate? If not, don't complain about "candidates being owned by anyone".

    14. Re:That's not why Obama won by stenvar · · Score: 1

      So you're saying Obama didn't win on the issues or his record, he won because he had a better organization.

    15. Re:That's not why Obama won by nojayuk · · Score: 1

      In American (and most western) politics today organisation of the electoral effort is key, moreso than the candidates especially in the US where heredity and family money usually play the greater part. For example Jeb Bush's son George Prescott Bush is starting his run at the Presidency although he has not yet been elected to any public office -- he is being referred to as "47" among his family's consiglieres. The fact that Hillary Rodham Clinton is even being considered as Presidential material is amazing to non-USians. She'll need a better organisation than the one that fronted her up for the 2008 primaries though.

      It's early days yet but I'd not be surprised to see one of the Romney sons step forward as a candidate for elected office and eventually, with the aid of his father's billions make a run for the White House. It's the American Way, after all.

    16. Re:That's not why Obama won by stenvar · · Score: 1

      In American (and most western) politics today organisation of the electoral effort is key

      As I was saying: the issues apparently didn't play much of a role in Obama's reelection.

      moreso than the candidates especially in the US where heredity and family money usually play the greater part

      You really don't know much about either US or European politics, do you.

    17. Re:That's not why Obama won by nojayuk · · Score: 2

      The last Prime Minister of the UK who "inherited" the post from his father was William Pitt the Younger who took on the role in 1783. Since then we've had women, socialists (really real socialists, not right-wing conservatives like Clinton and Obama), liberals (who are not socialists) and deep-down conservatives as Prime Minister and few if any of them had much in the way of a family history in the role (Winston Churchill may have been an exception but his father never made it to high office). The US has had a number of Presidents in the past century whose dynastic relationships through blood and marriage into money are only exceeded by traditionally hereditary Senators (like the Kennedys), Governors and Congressmen (like the Bushes). It's why there was so much shock and disbelief about President Obama winning the last two elections since he's not filthy rich and he's not the product of a plutocratic political dynasty like George W. Bush or Senator Jay Rockefeller IV.

    18. Re:That's not why Obama won by stenvar · · Score: 1

      Oh, please keep going! It is fascinating to see what kinds of bizarre rationalizations Europeans come up with for their anti-American bigotry, and how blind they are to how their own political systems work.

    19. Re:That's not why Obama won by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except you lie (or misremember) the facts. It was not a secret speech, it was an answer to a specific question posed to him that was blown up into a 'gotcha' gaffe by a motivated press. Since you don't even know the facts of the incident, why is your opinion or supposition or other views on the Romney campaign worth consideration? You clearly had no desire to see 'change' away from Obama. You got what you wanted.

      Romney's off-the-cuff answer was ineloquent and too honest. It's a waste of resources to go after 'all the voters' rather than your base and those 'undecided'.

    20. Re:That's not why Obama won by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it's interesting how someone from a country that has hereditary peerage could be whining about how other countries have "plutocratic political dynasty".

    21. Re:That's not why Obama won by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      Objectively, based on his record and the contradictions between his promises and policies, he should have been kicked out and lost badly.

      What does that say about all of the people who voted for him, especially the young idealists with stars in their eyes and rocks in the heads? They were fooled twice by the same smooth talker and his bag of dirty tricks.

    22. Re:That's not why Obama won by stenvar · · Score: 1

      It says that they are young idealists who got taken in by a marketing machine. I dunno, what are you trying to get at?

      I mean, we live in a democracy, so anybody from closet-Marxists to closet-fascists, from illiterate to Nobel prize winners, from homeless to Bill Gates votes. So to change their votes, we need to talk. Isn't that what we are doing?

    23. Re:That's not why Obama won by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      So to change their votes, we need to talk. Isn't that what we are doing?

      The people who need to hear it aren't listening. Maybe a few more years of mounting debt and underemployment (or unemployment) will help convince them that the welfare state is not the utopia that they were promised. Maybe then they won't be taken in quite so easily next time by politicians offering them fiscal candy in exchange for their votes. The Millennials like to think of themselves as being smart, but their choice of political leadership thus far has been anything but. At this rate we will inherit the country just in time to spend the rest of our lives paying off the debts rung up by our parents and grandparents and all in exchange a few percentage points less on student loans. Young voters are chumps and they proved it by voting for four more years of Obama. If they have any sense left at all now they will think very carefully about whom they vote for in 2016. They will have already lost nearly a decade to Obama by then and their careers won't be able to wait any longer to get started. Maybe then they'll finally vote with their heads and pocketbooks instead of their hearts. That would be a welcome change, but for now it's just a dim hope.

    24. Re:That's not why Obama won by stenvar · · Score: 1

      Seems to me like there are plenty of Obama supporters here. Change one vote at a time, where you actually happen to be.

      I think there is another reason this community is particularly important: Europeans keep misrepresenting the success of progressive policies in Europe (mostly out of ignorance, partly out of nationalism and anti-Americanism), and Obama's policies are mostly just warmed over European progressive policies. People need to stand up and speak out so that we don't repeat Europe's mistakes.

    25. Re:That's not why Obama won by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yes I did and yes I did.

      I'm not US American, but don't think it's any better in Europe. Yes, "my" party didn't make it into the parliament, but at the very least my message was "yes I was there, yes I voted, but NONE of you deserve my vote, I'd rather hand it to someone who has no chance of winning."

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    26. Re:That's not why Obama won by stenvar · · Score: 1

      How are European politicians "owned by the exact same abusive feudalistic companies"? Many European nations have public campaign financing and little corporate money in their elections.

    27. Re:That's not why Obama won by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      That's even worse! It means they're owned by the public, which is tender mound to commanissum.

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    28. Re:That's not why Obama won by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you really think they go "noooo, we got enough money, no need to" when offered some more?

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    29. Re:That's not why Obama won by stenvar · · Score: 1

      What I think is that it should be obvious that parties that are 95% financed from public sources, individual donations, and government matching funds are not "owned by the exact same abusive feudalistic companies". Since they behave in many ways like US parties, therefore there is something wrong with attributing US political behavior to big money.

    30. Re:That's not why Obama won by stenvar · · Score: 1

      No, they aren't "owned by the public", they are owned by a small political elite.

    31. Re:That's not why Obama won by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It's more greed that drives the whole matter. Politicians in Europe need some place to go after they messed up the political landscape and get kicked out by the voters, so what they do, essentially, is to create laws that please their corporate masters and where they can later end up in boards where they don't even bother to show up and yet get some nice paycheck for ... well, for services prior.

      You think politicians that fucked up a country's finances get board positions for their economic genus? C'mon.

      The problem with European campaigning reimbursement is that parties get the money but politicians have to struggle with pensions around 5k a month, they need some way to compensate.

      Personally, I think paying for their housing would be nice. Like, say, how they did with Berlusconi.

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    32. Re:That's not why Obama won by stenvar · · Score: 1

      Be that as it may, the important conclusion is that limiting campaign contributions or publicly financed campaigns isn't addressing the problem.

    33. Re:That's not why Obama won by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you mentioned FDR, it is true that it was rarely touched on in the mass media, but everybody knew he was partially paralyzed. As much as the media was deferential, the administration went to great lengths to avoid even the opportunity for him to be seen publicly getting out of automobiles or trains, or having to ascend ramps or be helped up stairs.

      Still, decorum and his unassailable political position prevented too much crassness, but it was one of the world's worst-kept secrets. I've been told that a common insult of the time was "He's so stupid he doesn't know Roosevelt is a cripple."

  8. In other words by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    'keeping gamblers loyal to Caesars was not all that different from keeping onetime Obama voters from straying to Mitt Romney.'

    The day the computer AI become totally unpredictable is the day we human kiss our ass goodbye

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    1. Re:In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'keeping gamblers loyal to Caesars was not all that different from keeping onetime Obama voters from straying to Mitt Romney.'

      The day the computer AI become totally unpredictable is the day we human kiss our ass goodbye

      mozumder did not write the text you quoted. I don't understand how can you put words in another user's mouth like that; you should try to develop some ethical integrity.

    2. Re:In other words by zidium · · Score: 1

      He was quoting the article, idiot.

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    3. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Obama voters are, in time, all losers?

    4. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Obama voters are, in time, all losers?

      Dazzled by the flashing lights and chiming bells, they all think they're going to win, but the game is designed so the house wins.

  9. First president to really listen to the people. by trout007 · · Score: 1

    You get the "leaders" you deserve.

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    1. Re:First president to really listen to the people. by garyoa1 · · Score: 1

      Listening and doing are two different things. Seems anything anyone proposes in congress anymore turns into a Mexican stand-off. And no one deserves that.

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  10. Yes, it does by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The real reason people are scared of big data is because the more and more we study it, the more and more it is proven that most people are very, very predictable. It's gotten to the point that companies optimize the color placement of objects in the background of their advertising to appeal to people they are targetting.

    The thing that amazes me however is how some companies can still get things so outstandingly wrong/backwards in this day and age. Take the recent Microsoft Xbox One fiasco. I find it hard to believe that a company like Microsoft would not have known this reaction was coming. Any trivial study of online sentiment data would have shown this in advance.

    1. Re:Yes, it does by m00sh · · Score: 1

      The real reason people are scared of big data is because the more and more we study it, the more and more it is proven that most people are very, very predictable. It's gotten to the point that companies optimize the color placement of objects in the background of their advertising to appeal to people they are targetting.

      People are very predictable until they are not.

      Taking the example of movies, some movies become huge hits even when they aren't that good. For example, Hangover. Now, Hangover 2 and 3 are essentially the same movie remade and it doesn't have the same impact.

      If you see something as a predictor and start using it, there is no guarantee that it will last. We have no idea of what the predictor really means and it could be wiped out by exploiting the predictor even the smallest bit.

      I find it hard to believe that a company like Microsoft would not have known this reaction was coming. Any trivial study of online sentiment data would have shown this in advance.

      XBox 360 suffered from massive piracy because they could be modded easily. PS3 can now be modded but it enjoyed at least 4-5 years of relatively no modding. The phone home every day policy seems perfectly justifiable to combat modding.

    2. Re:Yes, it does by brunes69 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Big data is not about using 1 thing as a predictor. It is about using the analysis of 10,000,000 different things about groups of people analyzed as an aggregate as a predictor. And it is right a lot more often than it is not, when applied properly.

    3. Re:Yes, it does by retchdog · · Score: 2

      that's what's funny about it. culture has become more diverse, not less. the machine is scrambling to keep up and maintain what was fucking trivial in the 1950s. it will mostly succeed, but taken over all, uniformity and predictability is no worse than it ever was, and quite likely has improved.

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    4. Re:Yes, it does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Movies are a bad example since Hangover was awesome because we had not seen a movie like that in a long while. H2 was a given in Hollywood based on the huge success of the first one. They just hit print on the Xerox machine, as they are apt to do sometimes. It was not as amazing the second time since we new the formula. The one thing did right in the second movie is to have more Chow, he was the best part cause he was crazy and unpredictable.

      Think about other big movies that would not be able to make sequels, Gladiator, Usual Suspect, Sixth Sense. These movies WERE either the journey or the turn.

    5. Re:Yes, it does by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      No, and it can completely turn off people.

      My wife and I have been struggling with infertility for a few years. Target's nice little data mining algorithm evidently thinks we are getting pregnant, all the time. We aren't, and Target is a constant reminder of the fact (and typically at just the wrong time, like when we get a negative test).

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    6. Re:Yes, it does by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Sorry, meant for this to be a reply to the GP.

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    7. Re:Yes, it does by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Agree, data mining is about finding relationships you didn't know existed but the Obama campaign is not a great example of that. I have .au at the end of my email address because...well...I live in Oz. Somehow Obama's super computer got hold of my address, miss-identified me as an American voter and started trying to sell me tickets to their convention, at first they were signed by various mayors and governors, then Michell. and finally Barrack in a last ditch attempt to extract $5 from me. Not spotting the .au makes me think their last effort was not a great deal more sophisticated than simply spamming commercially available email lists.

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    8. Re:Yes, it does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in the same boat as you, but we are a tiny minority, so the net effect is still beneficial to companies like Target. Remember, they don't have to be right every time, they just have to be right more often than then are wrong to win, just like a casino.

    9. Re:Yes, it does by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 2

      "culture has become more diverse, not less"

      I have to disagree. Culture is increasingly being homogenized. I mean, the differences in lifestyle between say a person in China or Russia and a person in the US, while still great, is less today than in the past. Why? Probably because even with country-wide "firewalls" enough foreign "culture" filters through from one country to another. Even if you're living in some Middle Eastern theocracy, porn is just a click or tap away, although, of course, you may need to take more precautions than looking over you shoulder.

    10. Re:Yes, it does by thomst · · Score: 3, Insightful

      brunes69 opined:

      Take the recent Microsoft Xbox One fiasco. I find it hard to believe that a company like Microsoft would not have known this reaction was coming. Any trivial study of online sentiment data would have shown this in advance.

      If you find that hard to believe, then you know very little about Microsoft's management.

      Did you not notice the Vista fiasco of a few years back (not to mention the Windows 8 disaster, now playing at a computer store near you)?

      Things were better (believe it or not) when billg was in charge. At least back then, the geeks actually had some voice in product decisions. Ever since that nincompoop Ballmer took over, it's been MBAs, all the way down.

      MBAs don't listen to ANYONE - except other MBAs. Even then, they only pay attention if those MBAs outrank them. MBAs are specifically conditioned to focus exclusively on improving margins, cutting costs, and pumping up the stock price. Quality is not an issue that even registers with them. Customers are wallets with legs. Customer input is to be solicited only when unavoidable, and only on non-business-related issues: How do you feel about THIS commercial? Do you like the purple-on-green packaging, or the green-on-purple packaging better? Do you prefer the logo HERE, or over there?

      Ballmer is a fool, who has surrounded himself with fools - all of whom have MBAs. But I repeat myself.

      All of which is to say that the XBox One policies that caused such immense, and immediate backlash were ENTIRELY believable products of the Microsoft management environment. "MBAs are people who know the price of everything - and the value of NOTHING," (with apologies to Oscar Wilde).

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    11. Re:Yes, it does by Hentes · · Score: 1

      How was it proven? Big data makes big claims, but there aren't any studies showing that their predictions are actually true. By default, you shouldn't believe anything a business says about their own product.

    12. Re:Yes, it does by PRMan · · Score: 1

      There was a graduating class of the 1920s at my university (which was very small then) and all the women had EXACTLY the same haircut, whether it looked good on them or not. You could find the same thing up through the 1950s. Even growing up in the 1970s, everybody pretty much wore the same things but in the 80s it changed into the "groups" that you see in the movies: jocks, nerds, gangs, artists, emos, etc. Since then, it has only become more diverse.

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    13. Re:Yes, it does by jfengel · · Score: 2

      Possibly, but two things come to mind.

      1. A .au address doesn't mean you're not in the US. CCTLDs are used for all sorts of reasons; bit.ly isn't libyan and gool.gl isn't in Greenland. Or maybe you're hanging on to an old email address for personal reasons. Filtering that out could have cost them donations, especially in light of:

      2. Spam is cheap. It costs them essentially nothing to send you that email. If you wanted out, you'd have opted out.

      If you had offered them money they'd actually have had to turn you down, since they'd ask for your address and non-American donors may not donate directly to political campaigns. (You are, however, welcome to spend as much as you like on "issue ads" filtered through a 527.) You could certainly call them lazy if they're still soliciting you after they know explicitly where you live, but I bet they don't bother (since implicit opt-outs are also potentially problematic).

    14. Re:Yes, it does by nojayuk · · Score: 2

      I'm not American but I know a few American citizens who are living and working in my native country. They are eligible to vote in US elections even though they have email and home addresses which don't fit into a standard US-centric template.

      The Obama campaign made a point of getting in touch with and trying to persuade US citizens abroad to vote. They also hit them up for donations which expatriates are legally permitted to make even if they don't live in the US currently.

    15. Re:Yes, it does by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      but we are a tiny minority

      No, really we're not that rare. According to CDC data, about 1 in 9 women in the U.S. struggle with infertility.

      By comparison, only about 1 in 26 in the U.S. are LGBT. African-Americans make up about 1 in 8 people in the U.S.

      Those two groups are considered large enough to drive major policy, but infertile couples are ignored and it's quite difficult to even get the condition covered by a reasonable amount of health insurance.

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    16. Re:Yes, it does by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I was going to say that it's become more diverse on a superficial level and go on about quinoia and shit, but I think one example is worth a hundred words of theoretical spouting.

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    17. Re:Yes, it does by retchdog · · Score: 1

      sure, okay, probably. there are anecdotes both ways, but yeah, forcibly exporting american culture through financial war is one of our primary weapons, so sure.

      i was, however, referring to american culture specifically (see, the article was about Obama and US elections...), so your points are irrelevant.

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    18. Re:Yes, it does by retchdog · · Score: 1

      sounds like garden-variety cynicism to me. do you consider religion, sexual orientation, and racial equality to be on the "superficial level"?

      maybe music and art are "superficial" on slashdot, but they aren't to most of the population.

      but, sure, yeah, let's focus on haircuts and quinoa. that's a great point you have there.

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  11. This is the creepiest thing I've head all week by davydagger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Somehow we talk about campaign donations being the be all and end all, but we are obviously missing something:

    pro-bono work done by media and technology experts that other canidates would have to pay for. This by-passes all donation contributions. In an ideal system you wouldn't need campaign finance reform, because people would make informed decisions, and no amount of money spent could change that. Thats not true. Money can buy votes. We all know this, but HOW is rarely discussed, because the people taking the money are the same people reporting the donations.

    They buy you, by buying the "favorite celebrities" they already sold you previously. They overhype their strengths, and they downplay the really creepy and criminal things they do. They then go out of their way to let you know what bad guys the people who don't like celebrities are, and how you'll be social outcast if you give up on your favorite celebrities.

    In the new digital age, there is also facebook. Once they know everything about you, it makes it easier to push your buttons. What if they find some dark sexual secret? Find out your weaknesses, exploit them. Since they already know who your friends are, they can tell them, or let them know subtly.

    They can manipulate the girl you always had a crush on into sleeping with you, or dating you, because now they know. They can do all kinds of things to her as well.(mabey she spies on you?).

    Since they know all your personal informaiton they can pretend to be an old long lost friend and use their credibility to bombard you with propaganda.

    Speaking of propaganda, they can easily bypass your intellectual guards by finding out what pushes your buttongs and tailoring propaganda specificly to you.

    All this is done pro-bono. This is what we know their capabilities are because they BRAG about them. Now it gets better, what if they want information about the opposition? What if they want to target organizers, donors, and leading voices opposing canidate XZY? What if they used the information to conduct smears of the opposition?

    What if they targeted and harrassed campaign organizers and leaders. with information like this they'd be able to do with almost without being known about.

    They aren't going to tell you that. Its not beyond their capabilities. Your a fool to think they never considered it.

    1. Re:This is the creepiest thing I've head all week by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      I'm nominating you for Tin-Foil Post of the Week.

      Just a pedantic point, you're misusing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_bono

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    2. Re:This is the creepiest thing I've head all week by davydagger · · Score: 1

      really?

      don't give me an "it can't happen here"

    3. Re:This is the creepiest thing I've head all week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "tin foil hat" argument no longer applies. If we've learned anything in 2013, it's been just how invasive and aggressive the US government has become against its own citizens.

    4. Re:This is the creepiest thing I've head all week by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      the sad part is that with all the things we get to learn about just HOW invasive our governments are, 2013 is likely to become the year of "it's not whether you're paranoid, it's whether you're paranoid ENOUGH"...

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  12. Fantastic Analogy by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sometimes people just don't realize the full implications of their own analogies...

    Ceasar's Palace exists for one reason and one reason only - to extract as much of money out of their customers^h^h^h^h^h^h suckers as possible. They (and all of the other modern casino/resorts) pioneered "Big Data" techniques to figure out just how much they could squeeze out of every person that comes into contact with them. They've got official policies on paper to deny it. but they are happy to manipulate and exploit addiction to get all of the money.

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    1. Re:Fantastic Analogy by Megane · · Score: 1

      Also, while they're bleeding you dry, Free booze! Comp hotel room! Comp buffet bar!

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    2. Re:Fantastic Analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, while they're bleeding you dry, Free booze! Comp hotel room! Comp buffet bar!

      And they are so much better than what the other guys that are bleeding you dry are giving you: food stamps, public housing, and prostate exams (both at the airport and at the doctor's).

    3. Re:Fantastic Analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like the stock market.

    4. Re:Fantastic Analogy by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      to extract as much of money out of their customers^h^h^h^h^h^h suckers as possible.

      The people who voted Obama in for a second term were most definitely suckers so it stands to reason that Ceasars would want a cut of their action because the fools and their money are soon parted as the saying goes. Between ObamaCare and Ceasars these people won't have two nickles left to rub together, perhaps then they'll ask themselves what happened to that hope and change./p>

  13. We don't have good choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    People who vote for either of the two main parties are incredibly idiotic, so this isn't much of a surprise.

    We don't have good choices because the ultra rich and powerful game the system so that the people that take care of them end up in the primaries. Then they just let the rabble choose who they "want" because regardless of who wins, they will be the One Percenters bitch - case in point: Obama - Hope and Change indeed.

    1. Re:We don't have good choices by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hey, he said "Yes we can". I don't remember anyone saying anything about actually doing something.

      You gotta read those promises carefully.

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    2. Re:We don't have good choices by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 1

      Hope AND change? I thought it said 'Hope of change'.

    3. Re:We don't have good choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not hope and change, he said rope and chains

    4. Re:We don't have good choices by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Hope as in forlorn, change as in chump.

      Still, compared to the opposition...

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  14. Wozniak and Snowden are just political dissidents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And what exactly is the difference between them vs chinese dissidents who are sentenced to jail for exposing government corruption or similarly embasessing things. I think USA is nowdays just an another non-democratic police state. Sorry for having that opinion.

  15. Re:Get this out of the way... by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

    So far, with 24 comments, nothing has those two arguments. Some justify voting for Obama otherwise, but not this tactic of the campaign.

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  16. In other words: Evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, never mind. That is just one word.

  17. Information is political power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It shows you that info is power. If you have info on a country you can leverage that into votes and into power.

    If there's one great thing Snowden did that, its to protect us from President Keith Alexander and his NSA Presidential Campaign crew.

    You're a f*ing hero Snowden.

    Also, WTF are you GCHQ guys taking orders from the head of the NSA? We voted in Cameron, he promised to end this surveillance culture, you are acting against your elected government in favor of a US General gone rogue, why?:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communications-nsa

    US law is clear, UK law is clear. RIPA did not make you into an agency to spy on Brits for the benefit of the CIA.

  18. I sum this up with 1 phrase by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 1

    which will sound a bit familiar IOKWMSDI It's OK when my side does it.

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  19. there could be no other possible explaination! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    'keeping gamblers loyal to Caesars was not all that different from keeping onetime Obama voters from straying to Mitt Romney.'

    yes. there could be no other possible explanation than brand loyalty and marketing, because as we all know, the only humans in this country capable of thought and self-determination are marketing hacks and the algorithmic wonderboys which they employ.

    what a condescending load of horsecrap.

  20. Keep on hating the advanced tech GOP lovers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's GOOD that you luddites are so angry at what ever Obama does and always do the opposite no mater what.

    Keep up the good work!

    1. Re:Keep on hating the advanced tech GOP lovers by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because we're so much better off with him in office.

      Face it, the US politics is a bit like AvP. Whoever wins, we lose.

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  21. Anyhoodles by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    There was a study where they asked people if they could put small signs in their yards for something innocuous. After awhile, they came back and asked if they could put a slightly larger sign in. Most said yes. Then they brought in larger and larger signs, until eventually these giant, obnoxious signs were in peoples' yards, signs that nobody accepted if approached with them to begin with.

    This was people making an "emotional investment" in something, and refusing to give up on it. This is heavily involved in casinos and gambling, too. People will continue to throw good money after bad.

    Now take this and put it in the context of getting people to support a guy who's petered along with a terrible economy for 4 years.

    Magnificent job by his people. I suppose. Umm, congrats?

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    1. Re:Anyhoodles by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Then they brought in larger and larger signs, until eventually these giant, obnoxious signs were in peoples' yards, signs that nobody accepted if approached with them to begin with.

      Did they actually test that with a control group? Because otherwise the study is useless.

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  22. except...Romney wasn't the problem: apathy was. by acroyear · · Score: 1

    The Obama concern was never that 2008 Obama voters would "stray" to Romney. The Republicans moved so far to the right that even Romney was having trouble following his base (and that was one reason he lost: he showed clearly that he would follow the conservative base, not lead the country).

    The Obama concern was that 2008 Obama voters *wouldn't show up at the polls*. Turnout was key. If those that disliked Obama (but disliked Romney more) just decided to stay home, he would have lost. In fact, in some regions he DID lose vs. his 2008 wins for that very reason, such as Lynchburg, VA.

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  23. Caesars Gamblers by rossdee · · Score: 1

    Gamblers were loyal to Caesar? I must have missed that part in my sttidies of ancient Rome.

    (Or is this about a later Roman Emperor rather than Julius, Augustus or Tiberius...

    BTW I remember John Hurt's acting as Caligula in the British miniseries I Claudius - I am sure he will make an excellent Doctor.

  24. Re:Get this out of the way... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Comment 3 is probably going to take the cake: Dems, Reps, what's the difference?

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  25. Re:Wozniak and Snowden are just political dissiden by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Well, people laughed at me when I complained in 1990 about how we're losing something important when the USSR crumbled and how it protected our freedom by proxy.

    Because as long as there have been those evil commies with their lack of freedom, our leaders needed to keep their white hats shiny so we knew who were the bad guys. Today, why bother with it, it's not like you have any other system you could run for.

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  26. dear steve, don't feel bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's taken over 30 years for the industry to turn that bucket of wires and melted lead of yours into anything usable.
    Nobody blames you.

  27. And the funny bit is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Democrats are more likely (according to that study) to go with their party than Republicans... BUT... that's not even the best part...

    This effect is under-reported by the paper's (false) pretense that the spying by the two administrations was the same. During the Bush years, Democrats were rabid over the typically mis-named (by politicians) "Patriot Act" which enable warrantless wiretaps and such on Americans if they were on one end of a conversation and the party on the other end was a terror suspect outside the US ..... But in the era of Obama, the federal government is spying on every single American (without a warrant, AND without probable cause in clear conflict with the plain text of the Constitution) and monitoring communications where the parties on both ends are NOT terror suspects and are INSIDE the US. In the era of Bush, companies like Google who were collecting data on everybody in exchange for use of their services (nothing in life is free) were in a separate realm from the government... but in this shiny new era of growing National Socialism, Google and the federal government are in bed together with employees regularly moving back-and-forth between them, unknown data exchanges between them, Google working to elect them (in exchange for power? money? regulatory "wiggle room"? help suppressing competitors via government oversight/regulation?) and no transparency. This government/big-business/one-party-allegience "partnership" experiment was run in the 1930's... it does not end well for the little guy (and the technology available for oppression now is far more powerful

    My liberal friends who were shrieking expletives at Bush are now responding to Obama with {insert sound of crickets chirping}

    TOTAL, unabashed, Hypocrisy

    1. Re:And the funny bit is... by devmike · · Score: 1

      Flaming liberal here. USA PATRIOT act still horrendously evil, should be completely eliminated and I'd also be cool with spankings for all those involved in its creation who aren't into that sort of thing. To say that Obama has been a disappointment in this area is something of an understatement.

    2. Re:And the funny bit is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My conservative friends who harp about everything Obama is doing do the same thing. They simply can't remember that Bush did pretty much the same stuff, and they willfully and enthusiastically cheered it on back then. I actually refuse to associate with many of them, because they are ADAMANT that Obama made the Patriot Act, that Bush had nothing to do with it, etc. They are the most likely to lie directly to themselves to avoid being wrong about something.

    3. Re:And the funny bit is... by Johann+Lau · · Score: 0

      While speaking of hipocrisy, why do you hold different outrage for the abuse of non-US citizens versus US citizens? :P

      Also, this stuff goes way beyond partisan politics, and has been going on for longer than even Bush. Don't waste time with petty finger-pointing. Yes, boo for falling for Obama. But also no points for being against Obama by default, just because you "are Republican" (this is all bullshit, you are the person your mother gave birth to, the rest are labels made by assholes to catch fools with, and don't you ever forget that).

    4. Re:And the funny bit is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      shut the fuck up, little chinkoid bitch

  28. Re:Wozniak and Snowden are just political dissiden by davydagger · · Score: 1

    at the same time, they had the USSR to make an excuse on why they need to get their hands dirty, and the realpolitik took over with regards to restricting rights.

    like it did with terrorism, and goth kids, and every other cooked up threat.

  29. Voters carry much of the blame by pesho · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Obama campaign treated voters as consumers, because the vast majority of voters treat democracy as a supermarket. Instead of being informed, listen to each other, actively voice their position in petitions and protests, and generally be involved in governance, modern voters just switch to the other brand of soap. To carry on with the metaphor, some of them abandon soap altogether and choose not to shower. This "exit" strategy has reached particularity absurd level in the United States where a number of voters (the so called "independents") bounce as ping-pong balls between the two parties every four years. These voters are never satisfied with the government they just elected, yet they cannot be bothered to actively push this government to fulfill promises or address their grievances. So, if you approach democracy as market, the politicians will treat you as shoppers. You got what you asked for, why are you complaining? (Disclosure: These are not my ideas, I stole them from a book called "In Mistrust We Trust: Can Democracy Survive When We Don't Trust Our Leaders?".)

    1. Re:Voters carry much of the blame by Rob_Bryerton · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up; we get the the government we deserve, as the saying goes. I mean, come on already, do people actually believe a single word uttered by anyone in DC politics associated w/either the R or D parties? Time and time again these sad excuses for human beings (referring to the federal government) have proven themselves to be outright filthy liars to just plain criminals.

      Listen up folks: this type of despicable, criminal behavior is a prerequisite to be a part of either the D or R teams; why can't you understand this obvious truth? Do you actually think you can rise to any level of power in either of those parties if you have a shred of decency? Fuck no, you will be marginalized or just kicked to the gutter.

      I'll say it again in case you missed the point: you *must* join the machine to be a part of either the R or D parties, and the machine is corrupt and broken beyond repair. Why do you keep repeating this insane behavior of voting for these scum? Do you really think that anything will ever change for the better? IT CANNOT AND WILL NOT!

      You know how some people say that if you abstain from voting, then you don't get to bitch and moan about the results? Well, I have a revised version: if you vote Republicrat, then you should STFU and never complain about the results, because the problem is not really the Republicrats, it is YOU for enabling then allowing this behavior that is destroying this country.

      Tell me how wrong I am...

    2. Re:Voters carry much of the blame by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      If people get the government that they deserve in a democracy then I'd say that we've gotten exactly what we deserve in Obama which is to say not much.

    3. Re:Voters carry much of the blame by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      The Obama campaign treated voters as consumers, because the vast majority of voters treat democracy as a supermarket.

      No shit. Some dude called Vance Packard knew this in 1957.

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  30. Boycott by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    I could see this backfiring for the entities that are trying to play us with it.

    'Conservatives' (capital-C, sadly, but that's how it works) have a pretty well-organized network. They should actively oppose and boycott businesses that choose to work with Analytics Media Group. Everybody already says 'fuck Google. fuck Big Data' in private to all their friends. It's just a matter of helping people figure out what's going on and making it a public thing.

    1. Re:Boycott by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      >>a pretty well-organized network

      of FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW: emails perhaps, the last two elections showed that the dems have the superior communications and fundraising network

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  31. GOP was going this stuff too - I was a consultant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GOP was hiring companies to think up and implement stuff like this many years ago - I was a consultant involved in just 1 aspect of their future plans to profile every voter. They have purchase histories - if you use a credit card... it is data they are designing their system around getting. If you have a car outside when they go to knock on your door, they'll be marking the make and model of it on their smart app.

    The whole thing was poorly managed, in that it was so free market that it was bound to implode because quick bucks could be made by not helping them achieve their aims. Because the contractors weren't in the loop on their thinking it wasn't going to be anywhere near what they were hoping for. I got out anyhow.

    The funny part is that it was more like Hitler using competition in science-- he split his A-bomb people up and had teams competing for discoveries without collaboration between them. In a way, the GOP was doing the same extreme and rigid thinking which inhibited the rate of progress.

    It also helps that they hated and fired their black chairman... who was actually smart and devious, he was pushing things like this but was caught up in internal struggles and idiocy -- which runs rampant in the GOP.

  32. Things become clear... by overmod · · Score: 2

    I recognized back in the early days of the Obama administration that there was a key quid pro quo for bailing out the large banking firms that were caught in the real-estate crisis trap of their own making.

    Each one of those firms had its own synthetic model of the economy, probably researched in fine detail and hyperlinked in clever ways. I thought that part of the 'price' for a Government bailout would be the sharing of the code, architectural details, etc. of these various programs, which could then be set up somewhere like Bay St. Louis to be run for the advantage of... well, ultimately, the American taxpayer.

    I suspect we are now seeing the results of exactly why that technology wasn't demanded.. publically, at least... and perhaps how we can expect to see it used in future...

  33. This is troubling by sabbede · · Score: 0

    Obama was getting viewer data from cable companies?? No wonder the data being gathered by the NSA under his leadership has exploded. Data privacy clearly means nothing to him. Data -> information -> knowledge -> power. Somebody has too much. (Power -> corruption)

  34. Bill wasn't perfect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's not forget Windows Me or Bill's terrible performance in Microsoft's Anti Trust trial.