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FTC Demands Search Engines Separate Paid Advertisements From Search Results

An anonymous reader notes that the FTC has sent letters to search engine companies (PDF) telling them to make sure advertisements are clearly distinguishable from search results. "According to both the FTC staff's original search engine guidance and the updated guidance, failing to clearly and prominently distinguish advertising from natural search results could be a deceptive practice. The updated guidance emphasizes the need for visual cues, labels, or other techniques to effectively distinguish advertisements, in order to avoid misleading consumers, and it makes recommendations for ensuring that disclosures commonly used to identify advertising are noticeable and understandable to consumers. The letters note that the principles of the original guidance still apply, even as search and the business of search continue to evolve. The letters observe that social media, mobile apps, voice assistants on mobile devices, and specialized search results that are integrated into general search results offer consumers new ways of getting information. The guidance advises that regardless of the precise form that search takes now or in the future, paid search results and other forms of advertising should be clearly distinguishable from natural search results."

230 comments

  1. Sounds like BS to me by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Google never indicated, to me at least, what was in the search results. I don't see how it could be deceptive.

    And even if it was, does that matter, since I don't pay Google one red cent for the service?

    1. Re:Sounds like BS to me by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Regulating advertising is a function of the FTC.

      Just because you are not paying is no reason why advertising should be represented as anything else.

    2. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree.

      The FTC is saying that you can't place an ad as part of the search results, unless the search engine actually produces the ad as a real result. In other words if someone is paying the search engine for the link to be there, it needs to be labeled as such.

    3. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same AC that just replied, I also wanted to say I think it is reasonable.

    4. Re:Sounds like BS to me by thaylin · · Score: 1

      Why is thre a need to do this.. What does it matter? As part of captialism if people get tired of getting the advertisements they will go to another search engine. There is no reason for this.

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    5. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wtf man. wtf.

    6. Re:Sounds like BS to me by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 2

      Oh FFS. Is there anything completely unfettered corporate greed coupled with government corruption doesn't solve?

    7. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're not suckered into visiting a website that's selling a product, when you just want information on it.

      Deception isn't _supposed_to_ be a part of capitalism.

    8. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem comes when advertisements look just like content, you have no idea which is which.

    9. Re:Sounds like BS to me by thaylin · · Score: 0

      Yea, because that is what I said... You still have not even mentioned why there even needs to be a seperation. If you dont want to use my product because I do this then dont, no one is twisting your arm to make you do it.

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    10. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regulation prevents a consortium, official or unofficial, of search engines from adopting practices harmful to consumers. It would be like saying that there is no reason for net neutrality because if Comcast and Time Warner started censoring web information that people could just switch to another service. Sometimes the market doesn't have an infinite breadth of competitors due to high start-up costs or laws already favoring the current market players.

    11. Re:Sounds like BS to me by thaylin · · Score: 1

      It is not even remotely like that. They are not doing some that actually harms customers. Now i fhtye were purposly putting virus laden links there than yes.

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    12. Re:Sounds like BS to me by thaylin · · Score: 0

      It is not really deception unless they say that they are not mingled.

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    13. Re:Sounds like BS to me by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why is thre a need to do this.. What does it matter?

      Deception. The FTC is saying you can't make a paid-for ad look like a legitimate search result, because it's deceptive and unfair to both the consumer and other legitimate businesses who don't have the resources to pay Google boo-koo bucks for prime ad space. Not saying it's right or wrong, just pointing out the rationale.

      As part of captialism if people get tired of getting the advertisements they will go to another search engine.

      Ah, no, actually, that's a function of the free market, not capitalism in general, and as it should be abundantly clear at this point, there is not and never has been such a thing as a free market (that's not necessarily bad, BTW).

      There is no reason for this.

      Sure there is! It might not be a good one, or one you agree with, but there is a reason. There's always a reason.

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    14. Re:Sounds like BS to me by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      This isn't about number of ads. It's about clearly labelling ads as ads.

      Google's front page can look like a NASCAR car and it'll be fine as far as the FTC is concerned as long as nobody mistakes the ads for search results.

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    15. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because pure capitalism can be detrimental to society. I like FDA regulations that protect consumers from shady practices. Capitalism left unchecked leads to problems like Tulip bubbles and labor abuses. It matters because it could take traffic away from sites that are actual results and aren't paid to be there. It matters because search engine users should know whether the link they are going to is what it appears to be. For example, the URL listed in Google's results isn't where you go when you actually click the link. The link sends some info back to Google and redirects you somewhere else. Not everyone has the skill, and those with the skill have better things to do than parse a URL string in their head. I want to know I am going to X widgets official site, and something else an ad masquerading as X widgets official site that gives me malware (If using a windows machine). I fully support this regulation.

    16. Re:Sounds like BS to me by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Not if they don't know those are advertisements.

      Capitalism only really works well with perfect or near perfect information. This is simply a method of adding information to the system. If you oppose that you oppose capitalism being functional.

    17. Re: Sounds like BS to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, that is far too reasonable an argument. The one that annoys me the most is Google. They use a color on their ads that, IMHO, by no coicisence can be hard to discern from the background color, especially on phones with small screens.

    18. Re:Sounds like BS to me by thaylin · · Score: 1

      Yes you are very correct. I still disagree that it is deception, since they are not actually being deceptive. By now you know how Google makes their money, unless you have been hiding under a rock.

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    19. Re:Sounds like BS to me by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, it's EXACTLY what you said. Your argument is akin to "if people get tired of watching commercials, they'll just tune to TV stations that don't show commercials" -- in other words, complete bullshit.

    20. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Elldallan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No one is twisting Google's arme either, they're free to take their business elsewhere if the climate or price of doing business gets too high for their tastes.
      A government is free to set whatever rules it wants for doing business within their jurisdiction, you have as a business you can either choose to comply or choose not to do business there, noone is twisting your arm or forcing you to do anything.

      There needs to be a separation because showing paid for results as matched search results is deceptive.

    21. Re:Sounds like BS to me by thaylin · · Score: 2

      I never said that corportte greed coupled with government coruption fixes things. And no it is not akin to that, it is akin to if they dont like how they cant tell the differnce between the commericals and the TV show thy will switch stations, which is most assuradly true. But just like any relative thing, how much they like/dislike the things matters.

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    22. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But what would be the purpose of not highlighting advertisements, if not for deception?

      I'm pretty sure it's not aesthetics.

    23. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is thre a need to do this.. What does it matter? As part of captialism if people get tired of getting the advertisements they will go to another search engine. There is no reason for this.

      Because THAT'S WHAT GOVERNMENTS DO with your tax dollars.

      Don't like it? Remember it at the ballot box next time around.

    24. Re:Sounds like BS to me by thaylin · · Score: 1

      There could be any number of reasons, for extra work (yes I know like 2 minutes) to aesthetics.

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    25. Re:Sounds like BS to me by thaylin · · Score: 1

      Actually a government is not free to set whatever rules it likes, atleast not here in the US. Even corperations have protections under the Constitution. You belive it is deceptive, and that your right to believe, but it is still an opinion.

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    26. Re:Sounds like BS to me by pr0fessor · · Score: 5, Informative

      Google already does this... if you search for a product the first results you get are "Ads related to {Your Search Terms}" There are usually two or three online retailers followed by local retailers and google map showing those local retailers. Scroll past that and you get the actual search results and text ads on the right of each result page. Yahoo and Bing try to do the same thing {bing doesn't show a map} and duckduckgo has it's ads in a different color and they say "Sponsored Link" next to them.
      {I don't actually use yahoo, bing, or duckduckgo but had to look and see how they were laid out}
      Not sure how any other search engines are laid out but figure those are the four I hear the most about. I figure for public relations and to keep traffic the top search engines will do this anyway.

    27. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Because bullshit paid ad's for software are links to scumware installers. Search google for the free software "greenshot" the first two links are to installers and packagers that will fill your computer with all kinds of spyware and crap. a lot of other things are exactly like this.

      non tech savvy users are having problems telling the difference between the scum and the real thing.

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    28. Re:Sounds like BS to me by thomasw_lrd · · Score: 1

      Selling all of our information to the NSA?

    29. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Erp: google changed this already. You dont have the Adverts at the top of the search list anymore.... Good show google!

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    30. Re:Sounds like BS to me by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Google never indicated, to me at least, what was in the search results. I don't see how it could be deceptive.

      And even if it was, does that matter, since I don't pay Google one red cent for the service?

      Perhaps this will make Google results more useful. I'm rather fed up with doing a search and getting all this garbage up front which has nothing to do with the search, but tries to lure me to some business or review site. Ever notice how Urban Spoon and Yelp show up first, even when the site you are looking for has their own website?

      Long-time users of Google may agree here, the results are becoming less useful as time goes by, obviously because paid or revenue producing pages are promoted over utility.

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    31. Re:Sounds like BS to me by thaylin · · Score: 1

      Except this is not a problem unique to just paid ads. When there are links like that there should be a process to get them removed. Personally I am tired of the protect the user mentality. Unless google is actually being deceptive, which I dont think they are, then stop trying to dictate their buisness.

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    32. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What I don't like, is the implication that overbearing government protectionism via the Nanny State is the only solution to protect the idiots of the world from being idiots. What you don't realize is ... to quote Ron White ... "You can't fix stupid"

      There is no reason for the FTC to do this, unless there is some specific company (companies) that are doing this. In which case, they should name and shame them and actually do their job. Firing a warning letter to every search engine is like paddling a canoe and getting a warning shot from a battleship for going too fast.

      And this is one of the reasons why I hate big government. Unnecessary NannyStatism because ninnies like you can't figure out what is and what isn't an ad on google (even though they are clearly marked).

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    33. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      long as nobody mistakes the ads for search results

      And there is the problem. You can't protect everyone from being stupid. And stupid happens a lot.

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    34. Re:Sounds like BS to me by thaylin · · Score: 1

      Thank you, you said this better than I could have.

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    35. Re:Sounds like BS to me by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

      You're paying Google with information.

    36. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I got tired of watching commercials, so I tuned to TV stations that don't show commercials (which in practice means I don't watch TV anymore)

    37. Re:Sounds like BS to me by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So there is no space between "no regulation" and "nanny state"? That's what you imply here, and that is how just about every regulation "debate" turns out these days.

    38. Re:Sounds like BS to me by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 2

      BULLSHIT! There are *no* protections for Corporations under the constitution. You should look it up. And while you're at it, look up the history of Corporate Personhood up too because you obviously don't understand it.

      Corporations aren't mentioned in the constitution. Early U.S. corporations were extremely limited in power and weren't even allowed to own property that didn't immediately relate to their business. They weren't allowed to own other businesses or stock.

      So what you are saying is complete bullocks that have been fed to you by your fellow corporate sycophants. Way to go. You're one of the sheep.

    39. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      When you question one side, and not give a solution, yes. I'd rather side on the "no solution" side rather than "unlimited undefined government intrusion" side of things. This is how we get NSA and IRS scandals.

      The scariest thing in the world to me are people who say "There ought to be a law", because invariably, it turns into "We have to do something, this is something, therefore we have to do it" legislation.

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    40. Re:Sounds like BS to me by icebike · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Google already does this... if you search for a product the first results you get are "Ads related to {Your Search Terms}" There are usually two or three online retailers followed by local retailers and google map showing those local retailers.

      Actually the FTC letter is much clearer on this than the summary. (Hey, its Slashdot, what else is new?)

      The FTC letter addresses PAID search results. (As well as the super-set of paid search results that are PROMOTED search results).

      These must be distinguished from hits on the text of the page. The net result is that if your company is a Google advertiser (adwords for example) and one of the hits shown brings up your Adwords link it must be clearly delineated from the list of hits that just trigger based on the content of the page.

      Even if both are present, only the paid advertising must be so marked.

      And I agree, Google does a pretty good job of making the distinction, both on the desktop and on mobile devices.

      Bing: Not so much.

      For instance, I searched a random thing: Peach Trees.
      I used both Bing and Google. Google clearly showed what was paid advertising.
      With Bing, I was never really sure, other than one result is always promoted to the top with an option to "only show results from".

      I'm left guessing if ANY results are paid or not.

      Try it again, using any random make of car, say Ford Mustang or Toyota Prius.
      Google clearly differentiates the Paid ads.
      Bing does not.

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    41. Re:Sounds like BS to me by icebike · · Score: 0

      By now you know how Google makes their money, unless you have been hiding under a rock.

      Actually this Gentle Reminder form the FTC is NOT aimed at Google. Google is in compliance. Google was in compliance even before the 2002 directive was issued.

      BING? they are clearly out of compliance.

      Google something simple, like any make of car for instance: Ford Mustang

      On google you will CLEARLY be able to tell what is a paid advertisement from a simple web content hit.
      On bing, you are left guessing.

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    42. Re:Sounds like BS to me by dcollins117 · · Score: 1

      Regulating advertising is a function of the FTC.

      Yes, but only in the United States. The issue I have is that a US agency is asserting that is has authority over what happens on the world wide web.

    43. Re:Sounds like BS to me by thaylin · · Score: 2

      You do understand the Constitution is meant to be a grant of power, not a limit of power right? And since the SCOTUS states that the rigths afforded persons are also granted to corps, if I like it or not, I would also say you are wrong.

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    44. Re:Sounds like BS to me by similar_name · · Score: 1

      It mostly just affects old folks anyway that can't see the contrast between light beige and white very well. Personally I don't care.

    45. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      Fine, then it should follow the law of the land where the servers are...

    46. Re:Sounds like BS to me by h4rr4r · · Score: 0

      For companies operating in the USA. If they want to go setup shop some place else they are free to do that.

    47. Re:Sounds like BS to me by similar_name · · Score: 2

      I still disagree that it is deception, since they are not actually being deceptive.

      It's very deceptive to elderly people who don't see contrast well. The only reason not to make ads stand out much is to be deceptive. Whether that merits regulation or not is another question.

    48. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Vairon · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you read the letter they sent to US based search engines you will find they are only talking about FTC Act Section 5 which I believe is codified in 15 USC 45(a). http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/45

      If you read that section of the law you will find that it mostly just applies to US businesses.

      Do you have any actual evidence that the FTC is trying to assert authority over a non-US based business that runs a search engine?

    49. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google already does this... if you search for a product the first results you get are "Ads related to {Your Search Terms}" There are usually two or three online retailers followed by local retailers and google map showing those local retailers.

      Actually the FTC letter is much clearer on this than the summary. (Hey, its Slashdot, what else is new?)

      The FTC letter addresses PAID search results. (As well as the super-set of paid search results that are PROMOTED search results).

      These must be distinguished from hits on the text of the page. The net result is that if your company is a Google advertiser (adwords for example) and one of the hits shown brings up your Adwords link it must be clearly delineated from the list of hits that just trigger based on the content of the page.

      Even if both are present, only the paid advertising must be so marked.

      And I agree, Google does a pretty good job of making the distinction, both on the desktop and on mobile devices.

      Bing: Not so much.

      For instance, I searched a random thing: Peach Trees.
      I used both Bing and Google. Google clearly showed what was paid advertising.
      With Bing, I was never really sure, other than one result is always promoted to the top with an option to "only show results from".

      I'm left guessing if ANY results are paid or not.

      Try it again, using any random make of car, say Ford Mustang or Toyota Prius.
      Google clearly differentiates the Paid ads.
      Bing does not.

      What are you smoking? When I use bing to search Peach Trees, I assume the only ad is the thing in the green box with the word "Ad" in the top right corner. Am I missing something?

    50. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just did a search on Bing for "insurance" on my phone and the ads were very clearly marked. Thus, you are wrong.

      Perhaps Bing didn't show ANY ads for your query and instead of recognizing that you just jumped to an anti-Bing conclusion? Or perhaps you're a Google shill.

      Either way, your strong words are factually wrong. But I bet Slashdot will believe them anyways because, hey, Slashdot had never needed facts to support its positions.

    51. Re:Sounds like BS to me by lgw · · Score: 1

      Corporations are made of people, and owned by people. People have lots of rights, including the right of free association.

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    52. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually a government is not free to set whatever rules it likes, atleast not here in the US.

      Actually, it can. The Constitution has been amended a lot of times. To make some rules would require a Constitutional amendment, but they could legalize or outlaw anything.

    53. Re:Sounds like BS to me by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

      As part of representative democracy, if people get tired of ads (or in general if they want a general level of regulatory regime), they'll tell that to their representatives via letters or votes or even just opinion polls, and it'll be regulated.

      Maybe you don't like to use the "democracy machinery" when there's perfectly good "capitalism machinery" to do the same thing? That's a fair enough view. If you don't like the way that society is currently organized, I suggest you try to change it. You could try to change it using the "democracy machinery" available to you (!!!!) - by persuading people on message boards and voting. Or you could try to change it by using the "capitalism machinery" available to you - with large political donations. Let us know which machinery you pick.

    54. Re:Sounds like BS to me by recoiledsnake · · Score: 0

      Wrong, please read my other post first. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3904125&cid=44103749

      See these screenshots.

      The current Google page, the first is an ad, second is not. http://i.imgur.com/Wmdd0.png

      A few years ago http://www.ismoip.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Screenshot1.png

      Before that http://cdn.userstyles.org/style_screenshot_thumbnails/58617_after.jpeg

      Bing may be worse, but comparison to Bing is irrelevant, it's like comparing Walmart and a mom&pop store. The mom&pop store needs to do these evil things to survive, Walmart can treat employees and customers better because they make lots of profit. Also, Google is the one that claims not to "do no evil" on their site, which Microsoft is the very definition of evil and consumer hostile tactics (see Xbox One).

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    55. Re:Sounds like BS to me by kasperd · · Score: 1

      it should be abundantly clear at this point, there is not and never has been such a thing as a free market

      Before you even try to answer if there is a free market or not, you need to figure out what the words free market actually means. Do you have a free market if a single established player in the market or a small group of players can force newcomers off the market? I'd say no. But then you need regulations to protect the free market. There are people who say it is not a free market if there is any sort of regulations. And by their definition a market controlled by a monopoly is more free than a market with multiple competing players subject to government regulations protecting consumers from the most immoral business practices.

      If your definition of a free market is one where there are no regulations and a newcomer can take a part of the market by producing a better product than the established players, then such a market cannot exist. Because without regulations established players can and will squash newcomers.

      I don't really care much how people define the words free market. I care more about how the market actually works. And I consider some amount of regulations to be a good thing. At the very least consumers should be able to know what the products on the market are, such that they can make informed decisions on which products they want. Misleading information about products undermines fair competition, so regulations to prevent such misleading information is a good thing.

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    56. Re:Sounds like BS to me by icebike · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nice custom crop job.
      You deliberately cut off the top indicator that stated "Ads Related to [search term] which has an info circle.

      Why should I read anything you post when you go out of your way to custom crop what Google puts on the page?

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    57. Re:Sounds like BS to me by recoiledsnake · · Score: 0

      It's an old pic. I don't get paid for posting here so I am too lazy to upload another image when that image perfectly illustrates the lack of border or contrast between the last ad and first search result.

      If you think another image shows things better, then WHY don't you link it instead of multiple posts attacking me personally, and lambasting Bing?

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    58. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Ash+Vince · · Score: 3, Informative

      Are you paid to post crap about Google?

        Notice your screenshot is trimmed down to hide the word "Ads" from the top right. You might say it us not prevalent enough and have a point but by photoshopping your screenshot you also edited away your credibility.

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    59. Re:Sounds like BS to me by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      Google's ads have real light pink/red background that I didn't have to much trouble noticing the bing ad background was super light gray/blue background with a gray boarder only on the right side. I thought the google ads were easier to differentiate but was able to do so on bing also.

    60. Re:Sounds like BS to me by tjonnyc999 · · Score: 2

      You may not pay, but advertisers who use Google AdWords sure as hell are paying through the nose for the deceptive mixing of ads and organic search results. It's deceptive because only a faint light-gray "Sponsored results" notice, in tinyprint, and a *slightly* colored background, separate the paid ads and the organic results.

      What it leads to, is people searching for one thing, Google throwing in ads for something only-somewhat relevant, and the user clicking on the ad thinking it's an actual search result.

      The user loses because they just wasted time looking at a site that doesn't offer what they wanted, the advertiser loses because they just paid anywhere from $ 0.05 to $ 3.00 (or more). Only Google wins, because it's just made an extra $ 0.50 - $ 3.00 in that fraction of a second.

      It's bad for the user experience, it's bad for advertisers, and it damn well should be regulated.

    61. Re:Sounds like BS to me by tjonnyc999 · · Score: 0

      Google does this, barely. At my business, we have at least 2-3 phone calls a day from people confused as hell because they typed in "something remotely related to {the type of widgets we're selling}", Google saw the word "widgets" and threw in some ads that were at most barely relevant - but if there's nothing better, "barely relevant" works more than "nothing at all", and the people could not distinguish between the ads and the organic search results. This is not an assumption, it's a repeating theme in phone conversations - "But I searched for {this}, and Google gave me {that}, and now I'm here."

      Now, on average we get 1 phone call (with serious questions or something not covered by the website info) per every 100-200 site visitors. Even taking the lower end of the scale, and dividing by 2 to be on the safe side, I can extrapolate that there are at least 50 people / day who fall prey to this deceptive display of ads. That's 50 people who wasted their time - and $ 120 - $ 150 in lost advertising expenses for us. Thanks, Google!

    62. Re:Sounds like BS to me by gewalker · · Score: 1

      Ahh, but if you search for "open source sourceware" on Google you get expected search results, on Bing you get a browser redirect to "MarkOfTheBeast.com"

    63. Re:Sounds like BS to me by recoiledsnake · · Score: 0

      No I am not.

      Instead of attacking me, how about posting a better screenshot that shows your point?

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    64. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Seumas · · Score: 1

      This is all more bullshit attempts by the FTC to remain relevant by asserting themselves where they aren't needed.

      Here's what you do if a search engine uses shady practices: Use another search engine. When everyone stops using the shady websites, they'll go away and services people want to use will replace them.

      I don't really see how bullshit FTC regulations and involvement are helping anyone but the FTC, here.

    65. Re:Sounds like BS to me by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      it should be abundantly clear at this point, there is not and never has been such a thing as a free market

      Before you even try to answer if there is a free market or not, you need to figure out what the words free market actually means.

      Funny you should mention that; apparently someone has gone and invented a book that, get this, you can use to look up the definitions of a word! But wait, it gets better: Some other smart fellers have somehow put the contents of this word book on the internets, and made it searchable! Can you believe it?

      OK, biting sarcasm aside, here's the definition I found per Dictionary.com:

      Free Market = an economic system in which prices and wages are determined by unrestricted competition between businesses, without government regulation or fear of monopolies.

      Probably best to stick with the accepted definition of the term, and not muddy the waters with ideologically biased redefining.

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    66. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you would be ok with ads looking exactly like results?

      If so, that's pretty ridiculous.

      If not, then rejoice in this guideline that is a compromise between viewpoints.

    67. Re:Sounds like BS to me by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      If you aren't bright enough to notice that an "ad" is not related to what you were searching for and ignore it, then you have more serious problems than worrying about whether the government is adequately protecting you from Google.

      If the ad is related to your search, why do you care if Google got paid to display it or not. You asked Google to give you information related to a bunch of words and they did.

      if you aren't bright enough to not click on links that don't interest you, then you have more serious problems than worrying about whether the government is adequately protecting you from Google.

    68. Re:Sounds like BS to me by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      Shocked, I tell. Just shocked. Shocked and dismayed, I am, that an AC on slashdot would suggest that Microsoft was behaving in a manner less socially acceptable to said poster than Google.

    69. Re:Sounds like BS to me by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      If you aren't bright enough to notice that an "ad" is not related to what you were searching for and ignore it, then you have more serious problems than worrying about whether the government is adequately protecting you from Google.

      If the ad is related to your search, why do you care if Google got paid to display it or not. You asked Google to give you information related to a bunch of words and they did.

      if you aren't bright enough to not click on links that don't interest you, then you have more serious problems than worrying about whether the government is adequately protecting you from Google.

      Yes, this is an exact duplicate of my previous comment but this guy actually admitted to being that "not bright" so I couldn't resist.

    70. Re:Sounds like BS to me by gander666 · · Score: 1

      Not replying to your point (I agree by the way). But your username is awesome. Probably the first SciFi I read was Stranger in a Strange Land. Brought a smile to my face to read your ID.

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    71. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Elldallan · · Score: 1

      No, as I see it it's almost a textbook case.
      Deception is an act to propagate beliefs/things that are not true or not the whole truth.
      Displaying paid for advertisements in a way where it is not readily apparent that they are ads and not regular search results is deceptive, it's comparable to a lie by omission. Yes, the government is free to set whatever rules it likes, including limitations on what rules and regulations it can make at a later date, but the regulation that it cannot take certain actions is descendant from the government at some point. To be able to regulate what the United States may or may not do there needs to be a United States to regulate and to be able to make laws for a nation you need to have the power of the government.

    72. Re:Sounds like BS to me by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      If it relates to your search then it is relevant to your search and following the link will give you information you were looking for.

      If it isn't relevant to your search you should be able to notice that and ignore it. If you can't notice that your searched for "naked cats" and aren't sure whether a link to the local Chevy dealer might have pictures of ugly felines, then I'm not sure why you bothered typing words into a search page anyway.

    73. Re:Sounds like BS to me by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      I will agree that regulating the content of ads can be the function of government* but regulating how they appear on a web-page? Nah.

      *I believe it is in the public interest to use the force of law and threat of imprisonment or wealth confiscation to reduce outright lies from being in advertising. I'm not wholly convinced that outlawing the advertising of legally sold products is in the public interest (FYI, I am an adherent of a religion that frowns upon the use of tobacco). Placing ads in newspapers that are styled identically to the actual news articles and read like the actual news articles? That is a bit dodgy but if there are no outright falsehoods, then what does it really matter?

    74. Re:Sounds like BS to me by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      If the link was to something relevant to my search, yes. If the ad links were not related to my search and I couldn't tell that without visiting the linked page, then no, I wouldn't like it and I'd find another search engine that wasn't so poorly written and was more usable. Do we need government intervention for this? No. The search engines that don't fulfill needs will stop being used and will then not be able to sell ads and will then go away. Meanwhile, the ones fulfilling the needs (of users and advertisers) will continue to exist or will start up as the need arises. That is how things work as long as the government allows them to. When the government gets to much into central planning and such, then needs actually go unmet.

    75. Re:Sounds like BS to me by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      Then find another search engine. Or create your own. Nothing is stopping you.

    76. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      non tech savvy users are having problems telling the difference between the scum and the real thing.

      Non-tech-savvy users (and tech-savvy ones too, most of the time) should be looking for software in their repository, not on the web. When you pick Foo in Synaptic, you know you're getting the real Foo and it won't come with extra "scumware."

      I realize not everyone can always use the repository; the guys who make the repo don't. Or sometimes you need something bleeding-edge. But those are relatively advanced cases, and even then, it's not like github likes to combine Foo with scumware. Scumware is its own project and you still wouldn't check it out unless that's what you were trying to do.

      Like anything else worth saying, this is said half in jest and half dead serious. I realize you're talking about Windows, but maybe you really do need to be a rocket scientist to use Windows safely. Non-rocket-scientists should upgrade to something with a reasonable means of distributing applications. It's not 1995 anymore.

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    77. Re:Sounds like BS to me by nmb3000 · · Score: 1

      If you aren't bright enough to notice that an "ad" is not related to what you were searching for and ignore it, then you have more serious problems than worrying about whether the government is adequately protecting you from Google.

      Did you intentionally misrepresent what the issue is, or are you just that obtuse?

      Consider a (real-life example) search for "VLC". Most of the very popular software products (open source and otherwise) have had completely unaffiliated third-party companies take out advertisements with Google and Bing on their names. We're not talking about somebody stupidly ordering "100% REAL FOR SURE GUCCI BAGS" from some Chinese knockoff site. These are often intentionally misleading attempts to get people to download an executable (usually an installer filled with extra crap wrapped around the official VLC installer).

      So what happens? You get "normal users" searching for "VLC" because their computer-smart relative told them it was a good way to watch their archive of MPG cat videos from 1998. They're told "Search Google for VLC. It should be the top result." And guess what, when they follow these instructions their computer gets crap installed (at best) or added to a botnet (at worst). The problem is compounded by the fact that many tech people use AdBlock and so don't even see the "sponsored" results most of the time.

      I don't think many people are concerned about a search for "The Hobbit BluRay" turning up a sponsored result for an Amazon store page. That's fine and what people expect for search results advertising. It's when the advertisement is specifically targeted and intended to mislead that concerns are raised and that's exactly what the FTC's regulation is for.

      Personally I think Google should take a more proactive role in open-source software downloads specifically. Searching for "VLC" or "Firefox" should not display any advertisements; instead, Google should recognize the popular open-source projects and display clear links to the official download sites. Anything else is near-complicity with malware peddlers.

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    78. Re:Sounds like BS to me by dissy · · Score: 1

      The current Google page, the first is an ad, second is not. http://i.imgur.com/Wmdd0.png

      Ok, compare that to my screenshot: http://www.google.com/#output=search&q=mesothelioma

      Looks nothing like your image at all. The one ad at the top clearly states "Ads related to mesothelioma" and has a space between it and the rest of the search results that come from page content matching.

      I'm tempted to even call your image a fake.

    79. Re:Sounds like BS to me by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      That isn't what corporate personhood means. Good try.

    80. Re:Sounds like BS to me by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      Then they are NOT constitutional rights.

    81. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still disagree that it is deception,

      They consciously make the ad's as similar as possible to organic search results without crossing the line into active illegality. People are human; with the level of similarity google has created everybody is still going to make many mistakes. That's deliberate deception for profit. Fraud in other words. The FTC has stomped on them with good reason. I only wish the FTC could prosecute google and other search engines and cause serious financial consequences but unfortunately the legal system is too broken for that.

    82. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      I just did a DuckDuckGo search for "Peach Trees". Search results showed nothing that looked like it may have been a paid for result. Sure, there were eBay and other for sale type sites that came up, but I'm fairly certain those were simply from the normal crawling the search engine did, and not from any kickbacks that the sites in question may have paid out to be listed at the top.

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    83. Re:Sounds like BS to me by recoiledsnake · · Score: 1

      That's not a screenshot, that's a link. Results are customized for each person so it's hard to know what you're talking about.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screenshot

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    84. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice custom crop job.
      You deliberately cut off the top indicator that stated "Ads Related to [search term] which has an info circle.

      Why should I read anything you post when you go out of your way to custom crop what Google puts on the page?

      Are you paid by Google?
      You didn't read his first link, he's talking about the contrast between colors changing, not the text inside the bubble.

      I'll quote it because you insisted on clicking three of the four links and reading what you wanted.

      Google and other ads are specifically designed to look like search results and exploit the fact that older people cannot see contrast of the background as well as younger people. Or even younger people using bad quality or badly calibrated monitors. (Or using Flux).

      He could have just drug out a pic from back when Google first got popular... because it had no ads, and wasn't stuffed with old geocities pages.

    85. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you paid to post crap about Google?

        Notice your screenshot is trimmed down to hide the word "Ads" from the top right. You might say it us not prevalent enough and have a point but by photoshopping your screenshot you also edited away your credibility.

      Are you paid by Google to defend it online?

      I notice he asked you to read the first link where he describes his point is the color contrast.
      You cant plead ignorance, you skipped right over his first link and went to the other three.

      All three have some ad text, it's the color contrast that changed over the generations. Duh.

    86. Re:Sounds like BS to me by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      I guess I despise those who think we need more government regulation to protect ourselves.

      Maybe the government should also create and enforce regulations against supposedly tech-savvy folks from giving bad advice without really knowing what they are talking about. That is exactly what you described: A tech savvy person using software that modifies a web-site and then giving some vague instructions to a non tech savvy individual that the tech savvy person should know probably isn't using said software.

      In other words, you want the government to force a company to make changes to its software because you have (seemingly falsely) portrayed yourself as some kind of expert. Other posters have attempted to claim that Google is committing fraud by having ads appear similar to other search results. I would argue that giving out bad advice as you described is much closer to fraudulent behavior.

    87. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use negative keywords for those bad searches, or stop using an overly broad keyword if it hurts more than it helps. Google's job is to find ads that people will click on. It's your job to make sure the keywords are related to clicks you actually want. You can also try to make your ad clear on what its about so fewer not-actually-interested people will click on it. Short of true AI, an ad system won't be able to figure out what you are actually selling.

    88. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, for "Peach Trees" on Bing, there are no paid listings in the main area on that page. If you do a more commercial search like "hotels" you will see a clearly marked block of "ads" on Bing. Pretty clear.

    89. Re:Sounds like BS to me by AntmanGX · · Score: 1

      If you think another image shows things better, then WHY don't you link it instead of multiple posts attacking me personally, and lambasting Bing?

      Because https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

      You are the one that's claiming that paid ads are hard to distinguish on Google. Which you've failed to do without showing deliberately edited images.

    90. Re:Sounds like BS to me by recoiledsnake · · Score: 1

      Zooming into an image to show the last ad and first result is "deliberately editing" ? You know the human eye focuses on a small area right?

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    91. Re:Sounds like BS to me by sudon't · · Score: 1

      I, for one, think this is a good thing. Else, how is my ad blocking software to be able to distinguish between ads and actual results? I say, let the government do something useful for once, even if they're really only waving their finger.

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    92. Re:Sounds like BS to me by kasperd · · Score: 1

      Funny you should mention that; apparently someone has gone and invented a book that, get this, you can use to look up the definitions of a word!

      Name one spoken language, where there is an authoritative source of definitions of words. Anybody can go write such a book, and none of them will actually be authoritative.

      without government regulation or fear of monopolies.

      How would you avoid monopolies without government regulation?

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    93. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      "should be looking for software in their repository"

      Apt-get doesn't work on windows... I have tried to submit a lot of bugs to Microsoft but they keep closing them.
      What repositories do you use?

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    94. Re:Sounds like BS to me by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Well your problem here is that you've read some quotation marks where there are none. I wasn't quoting the FTC, I was indicating what the FTC is trying to achieve and asking for. Taking one word I've written, ascribing a meaning that I never intended and that you have no real right to assume I intended, and then criticising the FTC's position (who haven't used the word "nobody") by proxy, isn't especially helpful.

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    95. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      If you read my third paragraph then you already know I'll assert "Windows is for 'rocket scientist' computer experts, not non-tech-savvy people," IN SPITE OF REALITY. I get that, ok? ;-) [I will write more half-truths below, because I'm bored and this is fun.]

      Why should Google be limited to addressing how people did things in the 1990s (Windows) instead of the modern user, who doesn't have the time (or doesn't want to spend it) to research and analyze the risk of all the software they install? That's a job for repository maintainers. That's just how people decided to do things, a couple decades ago when they saw that the Windows approach wasn't working out for the common man (or the lazy expert).

      If you're still running Windows, where doing things the hard way is your only option, then you are a bad ass motherfucker, with with a 5-digit-id, cyclopean computer capabilities, and risk assessment expertise such that you ought to have your own facts website. While some of us puny mortals occasionally see something cool on github and check it out and impulsively run it as our own uid, or we might do a plain http download from kernel.org without worrying that someone altered it in transit (actually I just checked and it looks like kernel.org switched to https quite some time ago) we don't always do that for everything; 99% my warez are straight out Ubuntu's repo, whitelisted by people I .. mmmostly trust.

      By comparison, you Windows people are FEARLESS GODS.

      All hail the fearless gods, the computer users who still do things the 1990s way.

      But you must understand: Google isn't for you gods. It's for us. When you want someone dead, you just throw a lightning bolt at them, and here you are, bringing up some obscure point about how some electrical capacitance sources aren't working out all that great for you, with Star Trek technobabble-like talk of "scum polarity." We Google users, puny little mortals we are, normally don't blindly reach into the cosmic energy stores that You people do. When mortals discuss these things, we say "of course that is madness! Only the brave or suicidal, routinely tread there!"

      To us, Google is something we use to read about something. Reading pages written to persuade us to install "bad" warez from our repositories, isn't really any different than reading pages written to persuade us to join Scientology. We have but one life, so in a way, I guess, a page telling us to do something foolish (e.g. install something called "greenshot" plus some scumware) is of less concern to us, because we protect the one life we have. You wouldn't understand, because you don't have to. There you are, with "scum polarity" lightning noisily crackling and flashing all over your hands (something that would have killed me a hundred times over!), grimacing with minor annoyance, looking for somewhere to spectacularly toss it, in an epic display of thunderous destruction that someone like me could only imagine, or else only witness in the very final moment of my single life.

      REVEL IN YOUR POWER AND GLORY, FEARLESS GOD! We hail thine fearlessness! Is your situation really all that bad? So you installed some scumware. So what? The mere fact that you would (that you can) sightlessly leap into doing that, that you still run Windows, shows you're obviously not afraid and that you are above and beyond a certain thing that we little mortals call "personal consequences." So what's the problem?

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    96. Re:Sounds like BS to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The screenshot clearly cuts off the "Ads related to mesothelioma" line. You can tell because the yellow box is cut off. It's intentionally deceptive.

    97. Re:Sounds like BS to me by lgw · · Score: 1

      That wasn't what I was responding to. "corporate personhood" was just a way to wedge the idea of a corporation into a large existing legal framework with the least change. Corporation don't have rights because of "corporate personhood", they have rights entailed in the rights of the people who own and operate them.

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  2. FTC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait, the FTC got there before the EU?

  3. I agree.. by sinij · · Score: 2

    I especially dislike Google's 'light pink' sponsored links that not every screen would render in a different color. There is no way this isn't intentional.

    1. Re:I agree.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I especially dislike Google's 'light pink' sponsored links that not every screen would render in a different color. There is no way this isn't intentional.

      But that's exactly the sort of

      visual cues, labels, or other techniques to effectively distinguish advertisements

      that they're asking for, so your problem is...?

    2. Re:I agree.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      to effectively distinguish advertisements

      I especially dislike Google's 'light pink' sponsored links that not every screen would render in a different color.

    3. Re:I agree.. by xeio87 · · Score: 1

      Unless I'm missing something, Google's ads also say "ad related to" inside the same tan square. You'd be able to see that even if your screen is bad at rendering colors.

    4. Re:I agree.. by thaylin · · Score: 1

      Effectively is a subjective term.

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    5. Re:I agree.. by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Funny

      I say make them use the BLINK tag.

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    6. Re:I agree.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sponsored links are 'light pink'?

    7. Re:I agree.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it isn't.

    8. Re:I agree.. by recoiledsnake · · Score: 1

      Not really. There's no border and barely any contrast.
      See my other post.

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  4. Cause if I'm searching for widgets by kawabago · · Score: 1

    I might not notice the ads are trying to sell me targlferfs instead. I could easily buy the wrong thing because, as an average consumer, I'm a complete idiot!

    1. Re:Cause if I'm searching for widgets by game+kid · · Score: 1

      You're still a complete idiot. Everyone knows that thingamabobs have more soluble fiber than both of them, and no late fees or phoning home. You'll never see them pass AdWords muster, though.

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    2. Re:Cause if I'm searching for widgets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to admit, though, that targlferfs are actually pretty cool little gizmos.

    3. Re:Cause if I'm searching for widgets by optikos · · Score: 1

      Oh great! Now all the targlferf fanboys are going to come out of the woodwork to strut their stuff.

  5. As long as 'Advertisement' or designated, FTC? by aisnota · · Score: 1

    Hey, this looks like just another white wash of the whole online space by the FTC. They fail to enforce a variety of rules then come up with a smokescreen one like this story highlights. Sure the FTC is supposed to watch out. But in this case, it is a non-problem, also known as a 'red herring' on their part.

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  6. It's obvious that the FTC has no clue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmm.. how do they think search engine make money ? Now another government entity muddling into shit where they have no knowledge.

    sometimes the ads are related to my search and helpful Other time I just ignore them. Bug deal this is one of the ways Google, Bing, and Ask.com make money.

    the last thing I want is a government subsidized search engine.

    1. Re:It's obvious that the FTC has no clue by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      By showing ads. That does not mean they are allowed to lie about results.

      The last thing I want is advertising I cannot distinguish from real results.

    2. Re:It's obvious that the FTC has no clue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is wrong with wanting to make sure ads are clearly ads rather than disguised as results?

    3. Re:It's obvious that the FTC has no clue by jader3rd · · Score: 2

      By showing ads. That does not mean they are allowed to lie about results.

      The last thing I want is advertising I cannot distinguish from real results.

      Even if you don't like it, why shouldn't they be allowed to lie? Should we begin banning lying on the internet?

    4. Re:It's obvious that the FTC has no clue by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Because that is called fraud.

      Lying in casual conversation and lying in this sort of service are quite different. What you are suggesting means I should be able to sell miracle water that cures cancer, when in fact it does not. If you can't see why that is wrong, I am afraid you are a lost cause.

    5. Re:It's obvious that the FTC has no clue by xevioso · · Score: 1

      How is it fraud? When I enter a search term into google, I am paying no money. Google hasn't promised me anything at all. I could search for the word dog, and see 10 results on the home page for the same dog website, and I still wouldn't have been defrauded in any way.

    6. Re:It's obvious that the FTC has no clue by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Because you expect a search back, not advertising.

      Paying or not has nothing to do with it. The same way I cannot give you free stuff and make medical claims. Because that too would be fraud.

    7. Re:It's obvious that the FTC has no clue by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      putting advertisement in as editorial content in print content is also considered unethical if not outright illegal.

    8. Re:It's obvious that the FTC has no clue by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      corporatists want corporate anarchy. Any regulation is too much.

    9. Re:It's obvious that the FTC has no clue by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      I see what you're saying, but what promises or claims has the search engine made to you? On what basis do you form the "expectation" that the displayed results are not advertising?

    10. Re:It's obvious that the FTC has no clue by h4rr4r · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The fact that it is called a search engine and not an advertising engine?

      If you really can't grasp this I am not sure I can help you.

    11. Re:It's obvious that the FTC has no clue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a fairly subjective area and you will find that you feel defrauded by things that others don't as well. Now there are clear guidelines from the FTC. What is so difficult about that? Is the freedom for businesses to lie to people that important to you?

    12. Re:It's obvious that the FTC has no clue by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      You are so stupid as to expect that Google is giving you search results out of the kindness of their hearts? Do you really want to stick with that story?

    13. Re:It's obvious that the FTC has no clue by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      Don't avoid the question by focusing on the terminology. If there's a LEGAL definition of "search engine" and a company claimed to be one, then polluted their results with advertising, you can claim fraud by saying that they falsely labeled themselves a "search engine".

      For the sake of argument and brevity, "search engine" was the generic term I applied. Obviously Yahoo!, Google, Bing, etc. are much more than that. To get around the terminology, how about the more broad "company which, among other things, provides internet search capabilities"?

      Now, back to my point, what specific claims or promises have any of these companies made that give you the expectation that the information they display is untainted by advertising? We're clear on the definition of fraud, but unless you can demonstrate that the company has made false claims or deliberately created false expectations, you can't claim fraud.

  7. Like maybe Google Shopping? by sideslash · · Score: 1

    Ouch. This is going to leave a mark. (Not that I'm unhappy about it.)

    1. Re:Like maybe Google Shopping? by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

      Right. Google Shopping was originally a price comparison service. There was no charge for being listed. Then it was changed to an paid ad service. All the links on it changed to Google ad links. Our Ad Limiter browser add-on, which hides all but one Google ad per search result, then started limiting the number of shopping results displayed. We finally allowed more ads to show through on explicit Google shopping pages.

      Now, Google Shopping results have changed again, so that they look like real search results. They even have additional Google ads, with the light tan background. But in reality, every result on a Google Shopping page is a paid ad.

    2. Re:Like maybe Google Shopping? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Which is why I block ALL ad's on every computer I touch. I have installed adblock plus on every single computer I have to service or use. Until advertisers get scruples, I'm blocking it for everyone I can. To this date it is about 450 people and counting that no longer see ad's online because of me, I hope to hit 1000.

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    3. Re:Like maybe Google Shopping? by faedle · · Score: 1

      If you are doing this without the knowledge and consent of the user you are almost as bad as what you are fighting.

    4. Re:Like maybe Google Shopping? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Then this will make you foam... We block all ad's company wide as well at the firewall. ZERO adverts come into the company and we reduced bandwidth usage by 20%

      And we do it without consent and on Fridays violently.

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    5. Re:Like maybe Google Shopping? by faedle · · Score: 1

      I don't care if the user is informed they are getting filtered Internet. It's about notification and consent. If your users are aware of it, and it is mandated by a clearly defined company policy, great and carry on.

  8. OSS project impersonation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What pisses me off is scam artists using paid search ads for common open source software. Google for Open Office or 7-zip or VLC and the top paid ranks will redirect you to scams. Some try to charge you, others wrap the software you want in an installer that plants malware on your system. (If you're lucky. Often you can find worse)

    Of course they could not get away with this targeting a for-profit company(They'd get sued in to the ground) but targeting free/open source/volunteer projects just disgusts me beyond words.

    I wish Google would pay more attention to this.

    1. Re:OSS project impersonation by amaurea · · Score: 1

      I can't seem to reproduce this. Even when disabling adblock I only get one advertisement at the bottom of the page. I use the encrypted version of google, though. Perhaps that one is different?

      Anyway, while I think it is natural to criticize google for mixing propaganda with actual search results, I don't understand why you don't just use adblocking and get rid of the problem on your end. It makes the world-wide web much more pleasant, safer and faster to use, and protects you from brainwashing by advertisers.

  9. Nice, but now for some effort where its need? by razathorn · · Score: 0

    I've never had an issue distinguishing search results from ads/sponsored results on any search engine. How about we crack down on commercials that try to pass themselves off as a news segment to get grandma's precious retirement money.

  10. Why bother? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    If only the laws Congress passed were clearly notified with their sponsors, This Corporation or That Union.

    But that would be addressing an issue at least 5 orders of magnitude bigger.

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  11. not just search engines by ncohafmuta · · Score: 3, Interesting

    not just search engine results, but identify them from even a website's local content. how many times have you gone to a site to download a file and had to figure out which button was the real download button?

    1. Re:not just search engines by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      And can we please, please, please get a similar demand for Facebook?

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    2. Re:not just search engines by rnturn · · Score: 1

      ``please get a similar demand for Facebook''

      Indeed... Isn't the right-most column of your Facebook news feed page enough real estate for ads without having to sprinkle them in with the updates that you want to read? I don't recall noticing ads within my timeline. At least not yet. It'll be time to begin raising Holy Hell when that happens.

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  12. BGColor not Enough? by zamboni1138 · · Score: 4, Funny

    You mean setting the advertisement background color to #fefefe instead of #ffffff isn't good enough for the Feds?

    1. Re:BGColor not Enough? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      May be, but it got annoying with time and even for me prone to occasionally click the first link, so Greasemonkey script to clean google search results ad crap.

      Now not only the annoying adds are gone, but also all lateral adds are nuked.

    2. Re:BGColor not Enough? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No it's not. Obviously they need to change it to #FEDFED !

  13. Sounds reasonable by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 2

    That requirement sounds reasonable. Google used to work that way: you had highlighted boxes at the top and on the right that contained the paid placements, and the unhighlighted regular search results in the body of the page. There's no technical reason it can't be done that way now. Lots of business reasons maybe, but no technical ones which is all the FTC should be caring about.

    That doesn't mean the FTC should be unreasonably interfering in a search engines' business. But saying the search engine has to clearly indicate which results it's being paid to show people is hardly unreasonable.

  14. It is going to work totally! Awesomely! by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 0
    Way back when the invoice price info about the cars to dealers was not easily obtainable, it had some meaning and was worth sending that 8$ to consumer reports to get it by fax. Now there are tons of sites ( edmunds.com, truecar.com cars.com kbb.com ) give this "invoice" price for free! And lo! and behold! People are getting cars for 100$ over invoice or 200$ under invoice left right and center. And the dealer is laughing all the way to the bank because the "invoice" price goes up, but "volume discounts" "dealer holdbacks" "dealer incentives" "quota meeting bonus or whatever" etc return the money back to the dealer. And we are now left with some worthless info called "invoice" price.

    Only thing it has served is to find the really truly babe in the woods who walk into a dealership without knowing even this fictional "invoice" price. You can hear the champagne corks popping when someone starts negotiating from the X below MSRP instead of Y above invoice.

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    1. Re:It is going to work totally! Awesomely! by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      You negotiate for Y BELOW invoice these days. This is because of holdback and other BS.

    2. Re:It is going to work totally! Awesomely! by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      Yeah, now FTC is somehow is going to make the search engines distinguish paid-ad from unpaid-search? How? Corporations are people. If A sells, but B pays google in some obfuscated way for the product of A, how can anyone untangle the web?

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    3. Re:It is going to work totally! Awesomely! by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      1. Corporations are not people.
      2. I think at least the most transparent amount of fraud will be reduced by this.

      The invoice thing is totally different.

  15. Double standard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Deceptive? Has the FTC watched any TV commercials recently? Commercials are contradictory, with video sending one message and unreadable fine print sending another.

  16. Woodrow Wilson still fucking us from the grave by odigity · · Score: 0

    He established the FTC in 1914 for "antitrust" purposes, and now these assholes are dictating web page design to google? Is there anything the government feels is outside of their absolute power to control?

    These are the same guys that operate on the following logic:

    * IF you are charging more than your competitors THEN guilty of price-gouging
    * IF you are charging less than your competitors THEN guilty of predatory pricing
    * IF you are charging the same as your competitors THEN guilty of price collusion

    Can we all just succeed already and let the Federal monster die of starvation?

    1. Re:Woodrow Wilson still fucking us from the grave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      * If you are charging significantly more than your costs for a product that is critical to its consumers and you have no competitors THEN possibly guilty of price-gouging.
      * If you are charging less than your costs for a product for a sustained period of time with consequental damage to your competitors and, upon subsequent investigation, there is evidence you're doing this deliberately to destroy your competition THEN possibly guilty of predatory pricing.
      * If you are charging the same as your competitors, and upon subsequent investigation, it turns out to be the result of a voluntary agreement between you and your competitors, THEN possibly guilty of price collusion.

      FTFY. You might, incidentally, want to look at what these terms mean as your apparent criteria didn't make any sense whatsoever. Nobody's ever been investigated for charging less than their competitors, only for charging less than their apparent costs.

    2. Re:Woodrow Wilson still fucking us from the grave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot.

    3. Re:Woodrow Wilson still fucking us from the grave by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      seceed, not succeed.

      And no, no we can't; gotta find another way... perhaps a method of sending a 'vote of no confidence' to those in charge?

      Personally, I think we should all stop paying federal taxes.

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    4. Re:Woodrow Wilson still fucking us from the grave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      secede

    5. Re:Woodrow Wilson still fucking us from the grave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you want to succeed at?

    6. Re:Woodrow Wilson still fucking us from the grave by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      He wants corporate anarchy.

  17. Good by rsborg · · Score: 1

    Though it's been quite stellar for years, ever since the DoubleClick acquisition, Google's DNA has become more spammy [1]. Not that Bing is any saint [2], and Microsoft has it's sordid history with not showing "linux" search results (before Bing days).

    This kind of intervention from big bad government might do something to keep the search engines from devolving into glorified billboards.

    [1] http://www.businessinsider.com/google-is-blurring-the-lines-between-ads-and-search-results-2012-4
    [2] http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/02/microsofts-bing-uses-google-search.html

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    1. Re:Good by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      This kind of intervention from big bad government might do something to keep the search engines from devolving into glorified billboards.

      Why should the government be in a position to prevent this? Companies should be allowed to devolve all they want.

  18. Doesn't matter anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FTC is unconstitutional and has no authority over this.

    1. Re:Doesn't matter anyway by bmk67 · · Score: 1

      Section 8, 3rd item.

      You're welcome.

      While the Interstate Commerce Clause may be stretched to meaninglessness in many cases, this is not one of those times.

    2. Re:Doesn't matter anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it is, you idiot. Learn how to think.

  19. Example screenshots of the abuse... by recoiledsnake · · Score: 5, Informative

    Google and other ads are specifically designed to look like search results and exploit the fact that older people cannot see contrast of the background as well as younger people. Or even younger people using bad quality or badly calibrated monitors. (Or using Flux).

    The contrast on the background is much lower than the federal 508 standard for contrast and I think has changed to over the years to a lighter shade as Google "optimizes" it.

    http://i.imgur.com/Wmdd0.png

    One is an ad and one is a search result, is there much difference? Given the average quality of monitors, I think those are designed to fool even otherwise sharp eyes.

    There is a border on the right of the ads but none on at the bottom. Google must be getting tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue from the color change from blue to yellow, the ones shown in the example are about $50 to $100 for each click.

    http://ppcblog.com/fbf0fa-now-you-see-it

    http://blumenthals.com/blog/2012/01/31/is-google-intentionally-trying-to-minimize-the-fact-that-these-are-ads/

    Guess they employ many behavioral psychologist super PHDs who tweaked the carefully and scientifically calibrated colors on ads and removed all contrast including borders to make many folks not realize where the ads end and the actual results begin. Forget about people going to paid websites and screwing websites that don't charge users that rank well organically because they're good and popular but don't give the Googolplex any money.

    "Study:Contrast sensitivity gradually decreases with age"
    http://www.eyeworld.org/article.php?sid=818&strict=0&morphologic=0

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    1. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Your second link, in the comments has a solution to the problem presented in the article. If someone has a monitor that only displays 256 colors, and doesn't display my high color picture correctly, that is my fault how? How about creating a solution to the problem, an alternative CSS for Google that can be used on older / crappier monitors, rather than complaining?

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    2. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://i.imgur.com/Wmdd0.pngYou cut off the line right above that clearly says, "Ads related to mesothelioma" with plenty of contrast. There's plenty of problems without making up fake ones, lying jerk.

    3. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      One is an ad and one is a search result, is there much difference? Given the average quality of monitors, I think those are designed to fool even otherwise sharp eyes.

      I have a Dell IPS, and a craptastic non-name-brand sub-$100 LCD, run with f.lux to set them much warmer, and it's really clear on both of them that the ad is on a beige/yellow background while the search result is not. Also, the group of ads is labelled at the top, which you didn't include in your crop, but it's important since just on the layout they're fairly clearly grouped and laid out differently than the search results when there's more than one.

      Maybe they're targeting older individuals, but at least to the younger crowd, it's still really obvious. Also, given that Google has a relatively young workforce, it's not out of the realm of possibility that they just didn't realize that contrast decreases with age - I had no idea either.

    4. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by recoiledsnake · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Your second link, in the comments has a solution to the problem presented in the article. If someone has a monitor that only displays 256 colors, and doesn't display my high color picture correctly, that is my fault how? How about creating a solution to the problem, an alternative CSS for Google that can be used on older / crappier monitors, rather than complaining?

      That's it guys, no one can complain about any problem on any internet website if it's fixable by CSS or a browser extension, and if the "complainer" hasn't gone around to every internet user's home and installed it.

      This is like Monsanto suing farmers for not removing every microscopic seed that got blown over from the next farm by the wind or by animals or insects.

      The 400lb gorilla in search having an effective monopoly changed it from this http://cdn.userstyles.org/style_screenshot_thumbnails/58617_after.jpeg to this http://www.ismoip.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Screenshot1.png to this http://i.imgur.com/Wmdd0.png to make more money by confusing people, and this is my fault because I haven't created a CSS style to change it(which is extremely trivial even for a beginner web dev)? Wow.

      Also, I loved how you totally ignored the fact that it's not just crappy monitors that cause the problem but it has been scientifically proven(see the link i provided in the post) that older people cannot see contrast well.

      Now you're going to blame me for not inventing an anti-aging drug to fix the problem. I can see it coming.

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    5. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by icebike · · Score: 0

      Google and other ads are specifically designed to look like search results and exploit the fact that older people cannot see contrast of the background as well as younger people. Or even younger people using bad quality or badly calibrated monitors. (Or using Flux).

      This is pure Google-hate boiling over.

      Google ads are CLEARLY delineated. Via several different methods. Color. A text notice, that won't be missed even using a text only black and white browser.

      Search something simple like "Ford Fusion"
      All the adds are sequestered at the top and right side.
      All the Ads are labeled with "Ads related to ford fusion"
      All the ads are color coded.

      Now go do the same search on BING. Its not so clear, in fact you are left guessing.
      Any tint is so subtle you can't really see it.

      Be sure you turn off you ad blocker before you do these tests, because Bing slips in ads
      even with the ad blocker on, but Google doesn't.

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    6. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by recoiledsnake · · Score: 1

      This is pure Google-hate boiling over.

      Google ads are CLEARLY delineated. Via several different methods. Color. A text notice, that won't be missed even using a text only black and white browser.

      Search something simple like "Ford Fusion"
      All the adds are sequestered at the top and right side.
      All the Ads are labeled with "Ads related to ford fusion"
      All the ads are color coded.

      Why not provide a screenshot for us instead of writing all that and describing it so painstakingly? Oh you can't because it shows your post is nonsense.

      As shown in the screenshots in my post, there is no CLEAR border between the last ad and the first real result, as there is between the left ads and the right ads. What's the use of all the delineations when you can't tell where the ads end and results start?

      Now go do the same search on BING. Its not so clear, in fact you are left guessing.
      Any tint is so subtle you can't really see it.

      First, no one uses Bing.

      Second, Microsoft(and Bing) are considered evil money grubbers who won't think twice about robbing an old woman to steal a penny, perhaps rightly so, so if you're comparing Google(who has the motto 'Do No Evil') to Bing and saying Bing is the same, you're not saying much there, except that Google is on the same level as Microsoft and is evil.

      Third, as Slashdot likes to point out, Bing keeps losing billions of dollars, so they resort to doing such things which is somewhat understandable, while Google makes $14 billion revenue and $3.5 billion in profits, almost all from showing ads and increasing a lot every quarter, so they could ease up a bit on such dirty tactics. Google has a bigger market cap than the entire Microsoft.

      >Be sure you turn off you ad blocker before you do these tests, because Bing slips in ads even with the ad blocker on, but Google doesn't.

      Guys, we have found the lone Bing user on Slashdot!

      Seriously, who really uses Bing here, especially for tech queries? I tried a couple of times and went running back to Google.

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    7. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Comparing Monsanto to Consumer grade equipment limitations is a great analogy /sarcasm

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    8. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by recoiledsnake · · Score: 1

      However, blaming the victims when a huge multibillion dollar multinational company is at fault is a great analogy. /no sarcasm.

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    9. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Oops.. I should've taken that left turn at Albuquerque...

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    10. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should be happy that he treated your inane comment seriously in the first place.

    11. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact is people do not bother to decipher the difference, they see the top results and click on them. Obviously there are others that carefully read thru to make sure that a link is real and not an ad.

      It is also obvious that some /.'s jumped to the fact that PAID ads have to do with them actually giving money to google as opposed to the businesses, that are foolish enough to fork out the money for ads.

      And they give you links to sites that are giving money to google to make sure there site is in the top results. One could argue that google and others are disguising the links as ads. (not just google the article point to all search engines)

    12. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by fulldecent · · Score: 1

      Wow, another f.lux user. Cheers.

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    13. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by fulldecent · · Score: 1

      Also, where is this alleged 508 contrast predicate?

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    14. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's worse than that.
      On some laptop LCDs, the background contrast is completely invisible at a normal viewing position.
      That's not old eyesight - that's the colour varying behaviour of older LCDs as you move your head up and down.
      Sounds strange?
      I thought it was just my old laptop, until someone else in the office wondered aloud if they were the only one who'd noticed...

      Thus, it is literally impossible to discriminate the ads from the search results on these LCDs.

      Regardless of how this colour came about (I suspect iterative A-B testing giving false results due to people clicking unwittingly on ads), it's clear they have chosen the other design elements so you can't tell by font, spacing or any other markings where the ads end.

    15. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice crop job, how much does MS pay you?

    16. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      There is a difference. Consumer chose the monitor. The seeds came not by choice. Of course, equating the two is wonderful.

      Car Analogy: My Ford Pinto doesn't go 85 MPH (under powered) unless it is going downhill and with a tail wind, and that is Ford's Fault? the exploding gas tank is, however, Ford's fault. Blaming Google for not showing the color on a cheap monitor is like whining that the Pinto doesn't go 85 MPH.

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    17. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by fulldecent · · Score: 1

      Still great work on your part.

      I don't see WCAG 2.0 ratified on section508.gov. Also WCAG only has standards on contrast for text-on-background, not adjacent backgrounds/images. The only language referring to adjacent colors that does not specifically mention text-on-background is this (still does not provide a compliance metric):

      >> Note 6: WCAG conformance should be evaluated for color pairs specified in the content that an author would expect to appear adjacent in typical presentation. Authors need not consider unusual presentations, such as color changes made by the user agent, except where caused by authors' code.

      Practically, of course, 1.1:1 on adjacent boxes is not noticeable for people that need 4:1 to read text!

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    18. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by balbus000 · · Score: 1

      A comparison of some ad background colors:

      • Google: #fff7ec
      • Bing: #f9fcf7
      • Yahoo: #fafaff
      • DuckDuckGo: (255,212,0,0.18)

      DuckDuckGo uses rgba, so it's a real color unlike the near-white the others use, but 18% opaqueness (82% transparent).

      For the first three (at least on my LCD monitor) if you view it straight on, the colors almost disappear. If you view the monitor from an angle, say 45+ degrees to the side, then the colors become much more pronounced.

    19. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by Branciforte · · Score: 1

      You deliberately clipped out the part of the add that said, "Ads related to BLAH BLAH BLAH".

      Is your argument so weak that you need to resort to deception?

    20. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by recoiledsnake · · Score: 1

      What use is that if you can't differentiate between the last ad and first search result?

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    21. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by Branciforte · · Score: 1

      Two reasons:

      1) The distinction is clearer when you see the entire peach colored rectangle standing out from all the white around it.

      2) The words give meaning to the color, so it stands out more.

      You intentionally cropped out the top because you knew your argument would fail if you included the whole thing.

    22. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by recoiledsnake · · Score: 1

      What use is the so called "color" if it so barely distinguishable from the background that some people are not able to even see it on some monitors or if older people are not able to see it? Have you read the other articles in my post?

      Why is there no border between the ads and search results?

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    23. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by Branciforte · · Score: 1

      If the colored border is so pointless, then why are you afraid to show the whole picture, the way people would normally see it?

    24. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by recoiledsnake · · Score: 1

      That is an old screenshot, I don't get paid for these posts and my family and my time is too valuable to me to sit and take the effort to convince Google fangirls on the internet., Interesting to see that so many complain but not a single person has posted a proper screenshot they claim makes it all okay.

      Google changed it from this http://cdn.userstyles.org/style_screenshot_thumbnails/58617_after.jpeg to this http://www.ismoip.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Screenshot1.png to this http://i.imgur.com/Wmdd0.png to make more money by confusing people, and people like you defend them as if Google can never do any wrong. Sad, really.

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    25. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by Branciforte · · Score: 1

      No one is arguing that Google hasn't gotten closer to the line. I just don't think they crossed it.

    26. Re:Example screenshots of the abuse... by recoiledsnake · · Score: 1

      What's the line? Making the background white or color #FFFFFE? Or removing the line "Ads related to:" ?

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  20. do search engines profess to be unbiased? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do some/many/all search engines make any promises that results will be unbiased? I'm not sure they do and if they don't, who is the FTC to step in and force them to make them so? I think all that Google promises is to give you results based on your query terms. Why shouldn't they be allowed to throw ads in?

    Ultimately, if the ads are tainting the results too much, people will find better search engines and Google (or whichever search engine you want to substitute) will die. In case the FTC doesn't know, that's called "the free market".

  21. How about you bastards fix... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    below the line fees from service businesses such as cable and cellular? That is blatant false advertising and you pricks don't give two shits about it.

    "99 bucks a month for unlimited talk, text and data" my left nut! With taxes and fees its over 20% more than that at least.

    Also eliminate unliimited from advertising, its not unlimited, its either rate or speed limited pretty much everywhere now.

    Then, THEN you can work on sponsored links mixed in among actual search results. Dicks.

  22. The FCC can do what now? by jader3rd · · Score: 1

    Given that this isn't being broadcast in a one to many network, and that it's not interfering with communication infrastructure, why does the FCC have authority to do something like this?

    1. Re:The FCC can do what now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FTC as in Federal Trade Commission, not the FCC, the Federal Communications Commission.

    2. Re:The FCC can do what now? by bmk67 · · Score: 1

      Eff TEE Cee

      Might want to get your eyes checked. Just sayin'.

  23. Corporate Motto.... by recoiledsnake · · Score: 4, Funny

    Google and other ads are specifically designed to look like search results and exploit the fact that older people cannot see contrast of the background as well as younger people. Or even younger people using bad quality or badly calibrated monitors

    I was reading their corporate motto "Do no evil" on their site, and then I saw your post and upped the contrast on my monitor and then saw the entire text that was hidden earlier, "Do no evil - except when it makes us money. In that case, be very very evil." !

    You and the FTC must really be on to be something here!!!

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    1. Re:Corporate Motto.... by recoiledsnake · · Score: 2

      Crap! Slashdot's "Post Anonymously" checkbox needs more contrast!

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    2. Re:Corporate Motto.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Busted...Microsoft shill is busted.

    3. Re:Corporate Motto.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or perhaps it was just someone trying to make a "A friend entered a club and he fell on his face" type joke which are much more funny in the third person than the first.

      Unless you're a Google fan/shill trying to deflect attention onto Microsoft here, knowing that Slashdot laps it up.

    4. Re:Corporate Motto.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DOH!

      (I found mine...:)

    5. Re:Corporate Motto.... by lgw · · Score: 1

      Nah, Google's corporate motto is "Don't, be evil". The comma is just printed in a very low-contrast color.

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    6. Re:Corporate Motto.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like you didn't miss the checkbox this time.

      Everyone knows you're one of mark penn's microsoft shills, recoiledsnake or sharklaser or whatever you're calling yourself these days.

  24. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google became popular because they were plan, without real ads. Now that they are going away from that, someone else will pop up and take their place soon enough. And then Google will either back off cause they are in danger of losing their user base, or they will go the way of MS Search, Yahoo, etc and fall into use by old fogeys who are just too stubborn to change.

  25. Re:Sounds like BS to me - quite the opposite by Qwavel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I actually think that, when it comes to regulating Internet or media companies, nothing could be more important than this.

    This is the ultimate line in the sand for an advertising company (or a consumer of ads). I'm generally a defender of Google, but if they were to cross this line then - for the first time - I would think they have truly become the evil that they disavowed in their inception.

    And this is about the Internet in general. We need to know whether content is paid or not if we are to preserve a space for the the unpaid. Otherwise, the paid opinion will always win out since it has the money to promote itself.

  26. Eff Tee See by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    whoever upmodded you needs to go back and read too. Its the FTC not the FCC, Federal Trade Commission. And they do indeed have the authority to do something like this as it is about business advertising.

    They still need to admonish businesses using below the line fees to jack up their prices before worrying about how google and other search engines advertise.

  27. Facebook / Twitter next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google ads are easier to recognize than "sponsored posts" one finds in Facebook or Twitter feeds.

  28. Google does this now (well, according to Google) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would appear that Google has never taken money to improve/change search results, and paid ads are already distinguished from search results. I don't know the status of other search engines.

    https://www.google.com/competition/howgoogleadswork.html#section2

  29. Patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fantastic news for me. I hold two lucrative patents. One for rendering advertising distinguishable from search results on a computer. The other one for rendering advertising distinguishable from search results on a mobile device.

    Now I lie and wait for 15 years before I act.

  30. Re:Sounds like BS to me - quite the opposite by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

    I am trying to understand how this is different from the FTC's rule that you don't print advertisements in magazines that look like regular editorial content.

    Other than "...on a computer!" of course.

  31. Another Thing About Search by Wingsy · · Score: 1

    What ticks me off about search is the number of hits that lead one to yet another search engine.

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  32. Your tax dollars at work by moeinvt · · Score: 1

    Don't you feel great about the fact that YOU are busting your ass so that the federal government can over-pay a bunch of useless bureaucrats to conduct studies and domineer over search services?

    Tell you what feds, quit stealing from me and I'll figure out how to avoid the horrible perils of advertisements in my search results on my own.

    1. Re:Your tax dollars at work by amaurea · · Score: 1

      I think this is an example of good use of tax dollars, and if I lived in the USA and paid taxes there, I would be happy that at least some of it is spent in the service of the public. I'm surprised to see such resistance to this here - I would have thought that even those who believe in Santa Claus, the Easter bunny and the Free Market would be in favor of this, as the mathematical fundament of free market economics assumes that all actors are perfectly rational and have complete knowledge, and mixing of advertisements and search results pulls them in the opposite direction, towards being emotional and ignorant. That may benefit the advertiser, but it cripples that fictional creature, the Invisible Hand, that is supposed to make a free market economy good for society.

  33. Careful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As much as I hate advertisements, I hate the idea of government control even more.

    This is nothing other than government trying to get a little more control over something. I say give them NOTHING.

  34. Just tilt your monitor back by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    The color shows up just fine.

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  35. Bing fanboy or Google chip on shoulder? by hurfy · · Score: 1

    I have never cared for flat monitors, are they really so bad you can't tell the difference between those? Looks ok to me but could use a border for clarity...assuming clarity is desired ;)

    You probably can't see a diference in Bing at all then. Ad section is a slightly greenish background. Way too subtle IMHO.
    Bing does have a light border at the right edge. If one tried to print the results page however that light border on one side wins over Google's VERY light border.

    Both seem pretty borderline..... also the cure ;)

    Bing-it-on....
    lol, for all the advertising by Bing lately from the search box at least both result pages look nearly identical. Bing has one more ad and pushes the images a little higher up the page. Bing displayed 5 pic vs Google with 4, but the 4 had better variety.

    1. Re:Bing fanboy or Google chip on shoulder? by recoiledsnake · · Score: 1

      So we can't demand better from the 'Do no evil' market leader because Bing fails and sucks and Microsoft is the epitome of Evil? I don't get your logic.

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    2. Re:Bing fanboy or Google chip on shoulder? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      recoiledsnake is a paid microsoft shill. He replied to his own post as another person but forgot to check the anonymous checkbox.

  36. Meanwhile... by Sentrion · · Score: 1

    Physicians for decades now have been allowed to take money from drug manufacturers and prescribe those drugs to patients without informing those patients that a cheaper or a generic drug is just as effective. No federal agency (FTC, FDA, FBI) or professional organization (ie AMA) has stepped in to even investigate this common practice.

    Advertising in the doctor's office office has been soaring, with posters on the wall and flyers handed to patients hawking everything from prescription drugs and vitamins to therapeutic procedures and cosmetic surgery. You can no longer tell when a physician is offering genuine medical advice or trying to upsell you to something you don't need that could potentially cause harm from the side effects.

    I chose to change doctors last year when I noticed pharma reps, with their suits and rolling breifcases, coming in and out of the office more than the patients were.

  37. Where are the screenshots? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have made multiple posts with the same content but it's hard for us to understand without screenshots since search results are personalized and localized.

    To me Bing is clearer because they have a border on the right extending till the ad, and Google doesn't.

    1. Re:Where are the screenshots? by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      I really didn't have a problem with either on determining which were ads, I did however have a problem with "popular now" bar on bing that pops up. It wasn't overly obtrusive but I would rather not use it.

  38. Re:Sounds like BS to me - quite the opposite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Otherwise, the paid opinion will always win out since it has the money to promote itself.

    Not necessarily.

    The Internet is a billion voices, with no controlling authority. It's too expensive to pay off more than a tiny percentage of those voices. In the end, that's the one and only thing that makes it possible to use the Internet to obtain truthful information.

    Whenever I read something, I google the source to get a feeling for how trustworthy it is. The consensus of the community then allows me to decide whether it's likely true, or likely marketing lies. Of course, this requires me to be alert to SEO-skewed results and astroturfing and so forth, but that's just part of the basic literacy that people need to have when they use the Internet for research.

    There is only one possible solution here: The communal tracking of the trustworthiness of the voices on the Internet. Relying on the FTC to police the Internet is idiotic.

  39. It's useless to rely on the FTC to police this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People can click the ad, or the can click the SEO-optimized link that appears immediately after the ad.

    Either way, they get an ad.

    As a practical matter, the background color of the link is irrelevant. It's useless to rely on the FTC to police this.

    Anyone using the Internet for research will first encounter ads, and they must search deeper to cut through that clutter. That's part of basic Internet literacy.

  40. Re:Sounds like BS to me - quite the opposite by kwbauer · · Score: 1

    You mean you are looking for differences beyond the fact that Google is not the one creating the editorial content and are simply pointing you to someone else's content? I'm not sure there are other differences beyond the only one that matters.

  41. Google's BS by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    Google created a color tan that very, very easily disappears at any screen with a remotely poor viewing angle. It's a very unique color that web designers specifically know not to use for that exact reason. That's why incredibly stupid people keep clicking on the results or even reading or considering them after doing a google search. They always claim they can't see the box and can't tell the difference.

  42. There are ads on Google search results? by Toshito · · Score: 1

    Can't see them, and that's not because of my poor vision...

    In fact anytime I use a browser without AdBlock and NoScript, I can't believe anyone would choose to suffer like that.

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  43. Free speech is also freedom to advertise. by JimtownKelly · · Score: 1

    Big Government sucks.

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