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Microsoft To Shut Down TechNet Subscription Service

otaku244 writes "Since 1998, Microsoft TechNet has been a mainstay for all system developers attached to the Microsoft platform, given the ease of access to almost every product the company has produced. Unfortunately, the days of a cheap, unlimited Microsoft development stack are coming to an end."

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  1. This is mostly outdated service by JustANormalGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Visual Studio and other products have free versions now, so TechNet subscription is mostly outdated service. Visual Studio Express is the same great product that the full version of Visual Studio is, but is great for beginners. Visual Studio as a whole is a great product too. And, MSDN subscription is there too.

    Combine that with subscription based Office and you have little reason to get TechNet.

    1. Re:This is mostly outdated service by Major+Blud · · Score: 5, Informative

      Some of us like to create test labs that will outlast the 30-180 day expiration date associated with MS evaluation periods (such as with SQL Server or BizTalk). An MSDN susbscription is more expensive than TechNet by the order of several magnitude.

      I'm not sure what's going on with MS these days. They release a monstrosity of a desktop OS (Win8), a sub-par hermaphrodite laptop/tablet to go with it (Surface), and they are now giving their loyal developers the finger.

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    2. Re:This is mostly outdated service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      MSDN subscriptions are at least 3x the cost of a TechNet subscription. The point of the TechNet was that you were not a developer, you were an integration tester.

    3. Re:This is mostly outdated service by Morpeth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's patently obvious you have NEVER had a TechNet subscription -- especially if you think all there is to it is Office and a light version of VS.

      This is a serious drag, especially for contractors/consultants, small shops, and MS developers of all kinds

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    4. Re:This is mostly outdated service by JDG1980 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not sure what's going on with MS these days. They release a monstrosity of a desktop OS (Win8), a sub-par hermaphrodite laptop/tablet to go with it (Surface), and they are now giving their loyal developers the finger.

      The cynic in me thinks that Microsoft knows its desktop monopoly is becoming steadily less lucrative, so they want to squeeze out every last penny while they can. We all know that for years, many users got Technet subscriptions and ignored the "for testing only" proviso, instead using them as cheap installs for self, friends, and family. When Microsoft cared about desktop market share, this didn't bother them much, since they'd rather people use their software (even at low cost) instead of going to a competitor. Now, however, they have delusions of being a "device and service company" and want to cut the desktop loose. It's absurd, of course (the desktop is the only area that MS has any kind of real advantage over its competitors) but it is what Steve Ballmer thinks.

    5. Re:This is mostly outdated service by jones_supa · · Score: 4, Informative

      Visual Studio and other products have free versions now, so TechNet subscription is mostly outdated service. Visual Studio Express is the same great product that the full version of Visual Studio is, but is great for beginners. Visual Studio as a whole is a great product too. And, MSDN subscription is there too.

      Visual Studio 2013 Preview just came out of the oven, too.

    6. Re:This is mostly outdated service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      TechNet was never for developers. It was for sys admins/IT professionals.

    7. Re:This is mostly outdated service by MadAndy · · Score: 5, Informative

      ... for as long as I can remember!

      Here in New Zealand, MSDN Ultimate is $26,369.00.

      Better to fly first-class to the U.S. and pick one up for half the price. Understandably we're a little sour about it!

    8. Re:This is mostly outdated service by mlawrence · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually *several* orders of magnitude would make it at least $199,000 or $299,000.

    9. Re:This is mostly outdated service by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...a sub-par hermaphrodite laptop/tablet to go with it (Surface)...

      They knew people were going to say it could go fuck itself... so this is really a time saving feature...

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    10. Re:This is mostly outdated service by Sir_Sri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This.

      From TFA it sounds like they're moving more to a 'you only need it for X number of days to do that sort of integration testing, or you can buy one license if you need more time'. If you need a lot of time and a lot of licenses to build an application that's what MSDN is for.

      Ultimately it's just a way to raise the price. Fair enough, if you think the price is too low on your product you're free to raise it and see if the market adjusts. I can see the problem they were getting into as more and more people were probably buying a technet license for their home family offices and parents and that sort of thing, which was costing MS money. I think they probably realized that when they dropped the price of Office Home and student people were.. well, willing to actually buy it. Rather than all these stupid deals where you got it through an employer or through school or the like (or you just pirated it). This way, you go into a store, you pay your money and you go home with it. No special program arrangements on MS end etc. Technet is/was a tremendously good deal, it was quasi legit enough that they couldn't justify trying to enforce the license, and that's the problem. Most of those people will continue to pay, so MS will try and charge them more money for it.

    11. Re:This is mostly outdated service by Common+Joe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The change in Technet doesn't affect me personally (as I'm a developer), but I'm at a life change right now and I need to change and update my programming skills. The question is, what should I be looking to do with my life?

      When Microsoft pulls stunts like this, I take notice and I know I'm not the only one. Why would I want to invest my time and money into a sinking ship? I have 20 to 25 more years of development before I retire and right now I'm a .NET developer. C# is a pretty good language, but Microsoft is screwing up so much else, I don't really see how businesses are going to continue to support Microsoft. When those businesses drop Microsoft, it's going to go fast and my ability to get and keep a good paying job will go with it.

      Microsoft, are you listening? Technet doesn't affect me directly, but I see this. You know that whole thing with Windows 8.0 and 8.1 and the no-start menu? That affected me and I started changing he advice I gave to people. Then there are the things that do affect me greatly. I called you a few months ago when I was investigating possibilities for my future and you gave me shitty advice because your own people couldn't figure out your own licensing. A word of warning: You have really big problems. You think you hide your issues from us? Tell us things are ok? Lie to us? Tell us that "Metro" which can only hog the whole screen is really a good thing? Think again. We can see your failures and piece together what is really going on behind your closed doors. We can smell how sick your company is and its really repugnant. People like me determine in the workforce which languages and operating systems to use. We play around with this stuff at work and at home. You really think you're going to squeeze us with UEFI and Technet? Your company is dying and we the tech people know it and we're going to start whispering that to our bosses and quietly switching away from you. You are not safe. The momentum is shifting and when it really gets going in the other direction you won't be able to stop it. You still have time to fix this, but you're being brain-dead stupid. Start listening to us because we sure as hell are listening and watching you.

    12. Re:This is mostly outdated service by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually *several* orders of magnitude would make it at least $199,000 or $299,000.

      This is slashdot, we use base 2, not base 10.

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    13. Re:This is mostly outdated service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      and then patiently wait for the Year of the Linux Desktop.

    14. Re:This is mostly outdated service by mysidia · · Score: 4, Informative

      They release a monstrosity of a desktop OS (Win8), a sub-par hermaphrodite laptop/tablet to go with it (Surface), and they are now giving their loyal developers the finger.

      Technet subscriptions are not allowed to be used for software development and testing purposes per the EULA.

      Technet subscriptions are for IT administrators, training, evaluation, and proof of concept.

      MSDN subscriptions are for development, testing, and demonstration, per the EULA, and not allowed to be used for training/evaluation.

      I wonder if they are just going to combine the two?

    15. Re: This is mostly outdated service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The NSA-provided SELinux patches are optional, were added in version 2.6 of the kernel and yes, they have been thoroughly vetted by a number of different organisations.

      There's no such thing as zero possibility, so no, not absolutely sure. But it's close.

      On the other hand, it's proven that Microsoft is a collaborator. My choice is clear.

    16. Re:This is mostly outdated service by pla · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Visual Studio and other products have free versions now, so TechNet subscription is mostly outdated service.

      Translation: "I have no clue what Technet does".

      Visual studio? Try virtually every Microsoft product ever created, available for download and legal for running without further licensing so long as you use them for intentionally-vague "development" purposes.


      Bad move all around, Microsoft. On the one hand, I don't really care, because I have the last 15 or so years worth of physically mailed MSDN discs, and if you cared about selling from your back-catalog, you'd still offer XP for retail. On the other hand - You want me giving the latest and greatest version of your toys a spin, because what amuses me to write my next internal app for today, my company will pick up a few hundred thousand in licenses to legally deploy it next year.

      But hey, just keep pushing Win8 and the cloud, and pulling stunts like this, and then wonder why no one seems to write apps for your platforms anymore.

    17. Re:This is mostly outdated service by Grygus · · Score: 4, Funny

      We are! The key is to use words in a certain way. You just won't listen, and that is why you keep dying. It is heartbreaking, really.

    18. Re:This is mostly outdated service by avgjoe62 · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is a serious drag, especially for contractors/consultants, small shops, and MS developers of all kinds

      This. I set up an entire lab where I used to work using TechNet, mirroring the production environment so we could test MS Updates and other software updates before we let them loose on the corporate desktops. We even used it to test the changes the developers would port from their dev systems before we put them on the production systems.

      When I left that company, I used my own TechNet subscription to test deployments before I would go to a client site. I kept up on my skills and learned new ones using the subscription, even doing an entire MS Dynamics deployment on my network at home before installing it for a client. My TecnNet subscription added value to my work. I will be looking for some sort of replacement, because I know I the value it gave me. I just think Microsoft doesn't realize the value of letting a consultant learn their products in depth at their own pace.

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    19. Re:This is mostly outdated service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's this thing called 'Google', it's a search engine. It pulls together a wealth of knowledge and allows you to 'search' through it, often in the time it takes you to type a reply to a comment in Slashdot.
      Here's an example URL showing MSDN prices that I found from 'Google':
      http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/buy.aspx
      If you visit that 'link' and change the country code to 'New Zealand' it will bring up prices.
      Visual Studio Ultimate with MSDN is $26,369.00
      United states price is $13,299.00, which is around $17,000 New Zealand Dollars. That's a NZD$9k+ difference, for NOTHING extra, costing Microsoft NOTHING more to provide.
      Summery: You get fucked in the ass by Microsoft outside the US of A

    20. Re:This is mostly outdated service by mysidia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      i guess MS no longer needs sys admins and IT professionals to support their products.

      They want Enterprises to move to Azure and the Microsoft cloud.

      On-Premise deployments of software are in the process of being phased out.

      Microsoft has planned obsolescence for Windows IT professionals

    21. Re:This is mostly outdated service by smash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're assuming your device firmware is safe? Cute.

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  2. A monumentally bad idea by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This has got be the third dumbest idea Microsoft has had in the last decade (Windows 8.0 and the f*cking the start button in Windows 8.1 being the first two). Microsoft Technet was a relatively cheap way for people that made a career out of Microsoft products to get their products for a reasonable price.

    This allowed for two very important things, first it allowed for the ecosystem to be license compliant which made it easier to stay in the habit of being license compliant while at work work. The second thing it did was allow workers exposure to products to gain access for skills development. Workers that have exposure to products tends to push for the products that they are familiar with at work.

    It's all about the ecosystem, and TechNet was absolutely brilliant for supporting the ecosystem of workers that support their products in the work place. Sure, you can follow their suggestion to switch over to the much more expensive MSDN subscription, but for most workers that is simply too expensive for a personal salary. Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot for exploitation of the very people the very workers that make their success possible to begin with in the first place.

    1. Re:A monumentally bad idea by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This has got be the third dumbest idea Microsoft has had in the last decade

      Hey, as someone who competes against proprietary solutions (including Microsoft) with Free Software solutions, I wholeheartedly endorse this change!

      What I frequently see is businesses that hire a developer to code a solution, and that developer has Technet, so he chooses whatever technology he thinks is best on there, and then when the customer gets ready to deploy it, they find a chain of Microsoft dependencies that all need licensing and CAL's, and often get roped into a software maintenance agreement for 5+digits over their initial cost estimate. Often it gets big enough to require new hardware and a virtualization solution too.

      I get "second-opinion" work from them, but it's often too late to do anything else. I've heard of some (that I don't work with) who 'just get Technet' too.

      If there's a silver lining, it's that I often get first-crack at the next project. But either way, this is a great decision on Microsoft's part as far as I'm concerned!

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    2. Re:A monumentally bad idea by s.petry · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It is a way to turn a quick buck and show the shareholders that MS can make money with something other than XBox. Let us look at the long list of garbage shareholders are dealing with at MS.

      Windows Phone is a dud, Windows 8 was simply horrible and I'm not sure if they can make it work. They keep pumping money into advertising, and people keep pulling out the old MAC vs. PC commercial telling them how stupid that tactic was and still is.

      Server is still losing market share to Linux and Desktops are losing market share to tablets, phones, and MAC computers. It was never a boom town, but Exchange and Outlook was cheaper than Lotus Notes so people went that route.

      IIS never saw huge adoption, but the reduced server footprint means that more webapp servers are moving to something other than MS products. Office and other productivity software has been stagnant for over a decade.

      Bing is still a joke, and as with Windows 8 they keep paying people to tell you how good it is when we all see what the search engine market looks like.

      So this is a way of them screwing people in order to turn a quick buck. Even if it shoots their own foot off, they don't care. I have two words for people thinking that they do care, which is "Windows 8".

      All in all, I believe that this is a good thing! While it has taken a long time for justice to happen, and the failure of the US Justice system to make happen, Capitalism is killing off a monopoly all on it's own. It's going to be a slow and painful death, but a well deserved one. It also shows that a corrupt justice system just makes things worse! If they would have done their job in the first place and chunked them up like AT&T, they might still be thriving as several separate companies. (I emphasize the "might" there because it is a rhetorical fallacy to make a claim.)

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  3. They're shooting themselves in the foot by Vrtigo1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Technet was very reasonably priced at a couple hundred bucks a year and that got you access to almost everything Microsoft makes. Of course, you couldn't use it for production, but for testing, etc it was great. As a sysadmin, I don't want to pay 5-10x as much for an MSDN subscription because I just want the software, I could care less about the development stuff.

    So at the end of the day, what Microsoft will see is less money from me when I turn to other sources to get the MS software I need for testing purposes. I know guys at other companies with MSDN universal subscriptions and they're happy to share their login info.

    1. Re:They're shooting themselves in the foot by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Meh most of the guys i know ended up either going MSDN or just getting pirate version, hell the pirate versions of some of their stuff is frankly better than what they offer (they really need to hire the guys that make the "Tiny" versions, stomps the hell out of their embedded products) so it won't be a GREAT loss, but it does show just how far disconnect has infected their company. They seem to be cutting their noses to spite their face and burning bridges where frankly it doesn't make any damned sense. technet was not only a site for software but for tools and "how to" instructions so losing a one stop shop for no real reason just doesn't make sense.

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    2. Re:They're shooting themselves in the foot by gbjbaanb · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They're doing something similar with MSDN, now to get a couple of new toys you need to get the Premium edition (which is 5x the cost of Professional). eg. To get TFS, you can have Professional... but to get all the features like the code review stuff they've been heavily plugging, you need Premium.

      I think its just a ploy to squeeze more revenue out of us all, without us noticing until its too late.

  4. Captain obvious strikes... by Synerg1y · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For an annual subscription fee of a few hundred dollars, subscribers get the right to download virtually all of the desktop and server software Microsoft sells, with multiple product keys. The software is licensed for evaluation purposes only, but that restriction is part of the license agreement and not enforced in the software itself.

    Could it be they're trying to cut pirating / abuse as a business entity to raise license sales? Nah, it's a conspiracy to spite the users.. ya that's it.

  5. Whatever happened to... by lord_mike · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Developers! Developers! Developers!" I guess that with their obsession of trying to be everything Apple, they've decided to abandon everything that made Microsoft successful. Is the management team just panicking and throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks?

  6. Herding all devs over to Azure by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Rod Trent over at http://windowsitpro.com/windows/dead-microsoft-technet speculates on the TechNet shutdown that "...in a Cloud world, this makes a lot of sense. Those wanting to test new software can simply spin-up a Microsoft Azure-hosted VM, completely configured for the application they want to try-out or through the use of TechNet Virtual Labs. These days, using Microsoft Azure, a testing lab can be setup and running in minutes with just a mouse click."

    Plausible, but risky if/when devs don't like it.

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  7. Re:Microsoft doesn't want to be bothered... by JDG1980 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Microsoft doesn't want to be bothered with the OS or the language platform anymore. Not enough long term profit in it. They want to be a sort of Cloud/HP/Apple. They want to be a smartphone/tablet and internet based business services vendor and that's it. There's apparently just not enough profit in the OS or supporting application developers.

    It's clear that this is what Ballmer is thinking (he's recently on record as saying that he wants MS to become a "device and services company"), but it really doesn't make any damn sense.

    When it comes to cloud services and portable devices, MS is actually pretty late to the game, with nothing particularly special to offer. And their brand name is actually a negative – even people who like MS products often don't like their business practices, and many people only use MS because they more or less have to.

    I use Windows at home because it's what I am used to (I've been using it since Win95), and because some of the software I want to run is only available for Windows. My workplace uses Windows, Office, and a variety of other MS technologies in part because it's an industry standard, but also largely because of legacy lock-in: much of the third-party software we use is Windows-only, we have to work with existing Office documents all the time, and all our existing processes and procedures are based around Windows/Office.

    The desktop (and associated IT functions related to the desktop) is the one area where Microsoft has a real competitive advantage that will be very hard for anyone else to erode. Yet they seem blithely willing to ignore it, throw it away, in favor of moving to new lines of business where existing competition is fierce and they don't bring anything new to the table. It doesn't make any damn sense, and if the stockholders cared about the long-term viability of the company, they'd pitch Ballmer (and his chair) out the window right now.

  8. All done now by Bravoc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As an MCT, I get the TechNet subscription as part of my annual fees. Probably the most valuable benifit of the MCT program. Since I'm not really doing much with MSFT training these days, having much more fun with Linux and Open Source stuff, I've been debating weather or not to keep my MSFT certifications going. I stopped doing all the Novell certification crap back in the '90s as they became less and less relevant. I'm thinking this is just more MSFT not being able to figure out how to play in today's environment. I guess I'm done with Microsoft now.