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Things That Scare the Bejeezus Out of Programmers

itwbennett writes "Software developers are, by and large, a cool and analytical bunch, but there are a handful of things that strike terror in their hearts. Phil Johnson scoured developer forums looking for an answer to the question: What's your biggest fear as a programmer? The answers clustered into 5 broad groups ranging from being forced to learn or use a specific technology to working for and with incompetents. What's your biggest fear?"

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  1. getting raped at your work seat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    getting raped at your work seat

    1. Re:getting raped at your work seat by ciderbrew · · Score: 5, Funny

      Still working at EA?

    2. Re:getting raped at your work seat by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

      Debasement in the basement?

      --
      Ezekiel 23:20
    3. Re:getting raped at your work seat by Dareth · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ba Zynga?!

      --

      I only look human.
      My mother is a halfling and my dad is an ogre, so that makes me an Ogreling
  2. Outsourcing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because I'd rather work at McDonalds for $8/hr instead of $2/hr as a programmer, but then again I'd probably just go live in solitude in the mountains somewhere, away from technology should she betray me in such a way.

    1. Re:Outsourcing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've heard a lot about outsourcing but from my personal experience outsourcing in real life is pretty much akin to the $5 hair cut. If you don't know what that is basically: A guy runs a barber shop and charges $20 per haircut. He notices that a barber shop is opening up across the street with a big sign that says "$5 Haircuts". So instead of panicing and dropping his price the expereinced barber puts out a sign that says "We fix $5 haircuts".

      And in my experience that's usually what happens. Someone gets the idea that outsouring a project would be cheaper and just as good as hiring someone experienced to do the job. To go and take the bargin basement bid from some Indian firm, then inevitably the project goes over deadline, the developer requires more and more money to finish the project, and then they finally bring in a consultant to look at the project, they request the code and the code is usually an unsalivagble mess. Experienced developers fix $5 haircuts, or crappy outsourced code.

    2. Re:Outsourcing by jockm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First off there is a difference between Outsourcing, and Offshoring, which is what I think you are really referring to. Secondly I have yet to find a country where you can higher a programmer for $4160/year ($2/hr * 40 hours * 52 weeks). Yes I know this is 1) The internet, and 2) Slashdot, and 3) I am replying to an AC, but hyperbole just makes it easier to dismiss what you say.

      Like everything, there are upsides and downsides to both Outsourcing, and Offshoring. I am a consultant, which means that every single one of my clients has decided to outsource some or all of their work. However because I am domestic, that makes it OK?

      It is far better to ask why are they outsourcing? I once worked with a company that decided to move QA to india. The reason had nothing to do with cost savings, but had everything to do with having two teams 12.5 hours apart (well sometimes 13.5, daylight savings). The point wasn't cost savings by offshoring, but to streamline development, and for them it worked. If you look at the world of VisualFX, many of the larger companies are setting up divisions all around the globe so they can have work the "follows the sun".

      And then there are companies that do it for the wrong reasons. The think it will save them money, and it can, though not as much as you seem to think (or likely the people whose kneejerk reaction got you to a 5, Insightful at the time of writing this). If you just throw work over the fence, don't provide oversight, don't show that you care, then you are going to get the horror stories you hear about. I've seen that reality too, I have been paid a lot to fix messes like that.

      You can outsource and/or offshore for the right reasons, or the wrong reasons. It can be a boon, or it can be disastrous. There are no universal absolutes here. The term you used is too big, too general, and you too — seemingly — misinformed to make a blanket good/bad statement.

      Also how would "outsourcing" be a result of technology betraying you? Technology is a tool. Tools don't have to assure you a standard of living, that is a societies job.

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      What do you know I wrote a novel
    3. Re:Outsourcing by Zalbik · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've heard a lot about outsourcing but from my personal experience outsourcing in real life is pretty much akin to the $5 hair cut.

      Funny, my experience has been more with the $300 salon that takes 3 hours to do the job, and still screws up.

      The outsourcing firms I've worked with have typically been the larger three-acronym types, working for clients who have become so terrified over IS and IT solutions that they outsource the whole thing to a big, well known firm and pay a pretty penny doing so.

      I've found the technical people at these firms are often either
      (a) right out of school, and just earning their stripes until they can find a decent job.
      (b) new immigrants, and just working their until they can find a decent job
      (c) outsourced entirely, with all the disadvantages of communication and time zones
      (d) terrible at what they do, and just hiding out

      I've seen a few good people, but the firms always seem to add a bureaucratic mess of processes that do nothing but slow down the projects and increase the billable hours for the outsourcer.

      And what do these companies offer to command such high rates?
      Better salespeople.

      I'm convinced that many outsourcing firms spend far more time and money hiring and vetting salespeople and PM's than they do on technical resources.

      They one thing they are fantastic at is convincing upper management that projects:
      (a) will take longer than expected
      (b) will be more complicated than expected
      (c) need more resources than expected
      (d) fail due to circumstances entirely outside their control

  3. No backups by blackpaw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And all the corporate client data gone ...

    1. Re: No backups by bzipitidoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Been there, done that.

      The programmers insisted that the production database not have any passwords, for their convenience. The DBA protested mightily, but was overruled. Then it happened. We were in the middle of something else when the company's website stopped responding. It was a mad scramble to find out what the hell had happened. I remember very well the sick look on the DBA's face when he went to check the database and announced in shock and dismayed surprise "it's gone!" First thought was that somehow we had been hacked. The DBA quickly found what was responsible: SQL commands to drop all the tables. The network admin went hopping about like a rabid frog making sure he could still log in everywhere and trying to run down the IP address that had originated that command. A few minutes investigation didn't turn up any supporting evidence for the hacked hypothesis. Had to be an inside job. We had just reached this conclusion when a programmer fessed up. He meant to wipe out and reload a demonstration database, but accidentally targeted the wrong machines and destroyed production. The idea of setting up a slave database didn't protect from this. Then it was discovered another programmer had turned off the daily backup a week before, to free up some CPU cycles. The DBA managed to recover, because he had also had all the transactions logged, but it took a full day to restore the database to a usable point, and then a further 3 weeks to clean up.

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      Intellectual Property is a monopolistic, selfish, and defective concept. It is "tyranny over the mind of man"
  4. Ghosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    also, Spiders and Bees

  5. So many fears.... by mendax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are many things to be afraid of. I think my biggest fear is being irrelevant, something I feel greatly sometimes as the young hotshots come up from below and as more gray hairs appear. And because of my ADHD and dyslexia, I fear not being able to use my intelligence when I need to use it because my brain refuses to work.

    But there are more terrible things to fear. The wrath of my evil cat when I step on her tail and what she leaves in the kitty litter that I have to clean up are two such horrible prospects. And when I was married, my wife was quite scary at times.

    But really, when one looks at the big picture, the only thing to fear is fear itself (as FDR said). Accepting life on life's terms and not wasting time on trying to change things that can't be changed is what's important to me.

    --
    It's really quite a simple choice: Life, Death, or Los Angeles.
  6. Stupid people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    They're impossible to code for, or cope with.

    "Enter date"
    >cat
    "This value is invalid"

    "Hey your software is broken! It doesn't stop me typing "cat" in a date field!"
    What did it say?
    "value is invalid"
    There you go then!
    "But it didn't stop me typing it!"
    Because it assumes you are not a moron? You're right, it is "broken"...

    1. Re:Stupid people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      They're impossible to code for, or cope with.

      "Enter date"
      >cat
      "This value is invalid"

      Tomcat here. What's wrong with having a date with a cat?

  7. I fear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ITIL

    1. Re:I fear... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ITIL, and redundant processes in general, are part (or the result) of one my fears: the dumbing down of my job to the point where there's no need for or chance to excel (as in doing a good job and making a presonal difference, I don't mean spreadsheets!). Large organisations need process and structure; they do not need ITIL.

      ITIL is still very much around though. Many large companies are reorganising IT and other knowledge work, creating increasingly specialisatized and compartimentalized jobs and teams that appear to be easy to plan, manage, measure and outsource (but aren't in practice). Much of IT is being turned into an assembly line, which might be ok for making cars (although even that industry has thought better of dumbing things down too much, a long time ago), but in my experience works very poorly for knowledge work. It's an attempt to reduce some of the inherent uncertaintly in our line of work, and the effort of managing a diverse set of highly skilled people, by dumbing down the work and replacing intelligent decisions and judgment calls with process and SLAs. Someone coined the term "predictable mediocrity" for this. The result sucks but you know what you're getting, and most managers (the MBA types) actually prefer this.

      This way of working adds red tape and communication overhead, as you'll be dealing with more and more specialized teams, and reduces project buy-in: no one gives a damn about any single particular project anymore. I've recently been involved in a project where the ratio of process to doing actual work was around 20:1, I kid you not. And I do include producing useful documentation, agreeing on a support model, and hammering out specifications in the definition of "actual work" here. My fear is that this is the future of IT.

      --
      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
  8. Absence of a test suite by bheading · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Being given a big pile of code and being asked to maintain it with no test suite.

    Each time you change it you could theoretically be breaking a ton of features. But there's no way to be sure.

    1. Re:Absence of a test suite by Lennie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The previous person working on that code also had a fear, a fear of losing his job. So he or she thought job security could be increased by not documenting and not adding tests ;-)

      --
      New things are always on the horizon
    2. Re:Absence of a test suite by asylumx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or perhaps project management pushed deadlines way too hard and the devs did away with the useful-but-time-consuming stuff like tests & comments.

  9. Things that scare developers, by mjwx · · Score: 5, Funny

    Snakes,
    Loud noises,
    Social contact,
    Drinks machine being out of soft drinks and/or chocolate,
    Google being down,

    --
    Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
  10. Velociraptors by Arancaytar · · Score: 5, Funny

    (obviously)

  11. Bad multithreading by bertok · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Debugging multi-threaded code liberally sprinkled with delays instead of locks. I still have nightmares!

    1. Re:Bad multithreading by jimshatt · · Score: 4, Funny

      3..2..1... Phew! I might otherwise have replied even before you commented. That worked out well!

  12. Re:Hmm by Xest · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You assume that algorithms to spy on people work.

    They don't, that's why despite MI5 knowing personally a terrorist they still managed to miss the fact he was a threat when he committed a violent murder in the name of terrorism on the streets of London a few weeks ago.

    This is why many people including me dislike said algorithms, not because I have an inherent problem with them spying on people if there is just cause and they are an actual threat, but because I know that their algorithms when run against everyone and anyone can't possibly accurately separate real threats from innocent people and will result in manpower being wasted investigating, harassing and harming innocent people whilst simultaneously missing the real actual threats.

  13. My Biggest Fear by Common+Joe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To not make the difference in the world in the way that I envisioned. It's everything at once and nothing specific. My betterment of the world doesn't even have to be in programming, although programming is where my best talents are. I've always wanted to leave the world a better place than when I came into it. Unfortunately, I can't say that I feel that way so my biggest fear is coming true and I'm having to learn to cope with the idea that I cannot fix the injustices of the world.

  14. Inheriting another project written by an idiot... by Max+Threshold · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the project I'm maintaining now, I've discovered such gems as "someVar++ // count down" and "if(someDouble == 0 || someDouble == 0.0 || someDouble == 0.00) { ... }". Oh, and literally hundreds of global variables whose values are copied in and out of instance and local variables in seemingly random places. I'm sure the guy who wrote it was one of those students who comes to the Java forums begging for help because they didn't pay attention all semester and have absolutely no idea where to begin on their final project, which is invariably due in a few hours. I don't even want to know how much they paid him to write it, but it's cost the company at least 1.5 man-years just to get it into a state that's acceptable to most of our customers, and it's still nowhere near as good as if we'd spent (I would estimate) 0.5 man-years rewriting the whole thing from scratch.

  15. Re:Biggest Fear? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Velociraptors - That's why I never use a "GOTO" ...

    --
    It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
  16. Being stuck by rvw · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Being stuck at a job, because you drifted away from your main skills, and now have difficulty to catch up. Or more specific: being stuck at a job where you don't want to spend another year or even longer. In the company I'm working I stand alone, being the only programmer, so no support from other programmers. I find it hell to get my skills up to date while doing my job properly.

  17. Average programmers writing parallel code by thisisauniqueid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Average programmers being forced to write parallel code scares me more than anything else. "The multicore dilemma is actually a substantially worse problem than generally understood: we are headed not just for an era of proportionately slower software, but significantly buggier software, as the human inability to write good parallel code is combined with the widespread need to use available CPU resources and the substantial increase in the number of scientists with no CS background having to write code to get their job done." --The multicore dilemma (in the big data era) is worse than you think

    1. Re:Average programmers writing parallel code by tgd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Average programmers being forced to write parallel code scares me more than anything else. "The multicore dilemma is actually a substantially worse problem than generally understood: we are headed not just for an era of proportionately slower software, but significantly buggier software, as the human inability to write good parallel code is combined with the widespread need to use available CPU resources and the substantial increase in the number of scientists with no CS background having to write code to get their job done." --The multicore dilemma (in the big data era) is worse than you think

      This is probably the most true thing I've seen in this list, and the fact that you're the only person who posted it is a sign of just how bad of a problem it is.

      Rounded to the nearest whole number, I think its absolutely safe to say 0% of programmers understand how to write multithreaded code properly.

  18. The C++ working commitee by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They just can't leave the damn language alone.

    Enough! Its already got a spec probably more complicated that the space shuttle , just let us get on with using it instead of throwing in ever more useless features that only ever seem to get used in job interview questions!

  19. Web Programming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, web programming is for chumps, and it just keeps getting worse and worse.
    Let's talk about having to support multiple version of multiple browser on multiple versions of multiple operating systems on multiple platforms, all with multiple sized screens.
    Let's talk about the expectation of being an expert at a horrendous number of technologies like HTML, CSS, Javascript, Ajax, GWT, Java, JSP, EJB, XML, JSF, Facelets, JPA, JPQL, EL, SQL, PL/SQL, Regex, BASH etc. etc....for the one fucking project!
    Let's talk about the expectation of being an expert at optimising different servers like Apache, Tomcat and JBoss.
    Let's talk about the expectation of being an expert at load testing using various load testing suits.
    Let's talk about the dismal state of Flash and Java Applets and HTML5.
    I pity the poor web programmer (such as myself), for his or hers is surely a tortured life.

  20. Bureaucracy + Stupidity by bugnuts · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Whenever I hear a congresscritter make noise about restricting research, or instituting programming certifications to get a job, or my (now ex-)company requiring a training session on how to walk because someone tripped in the hall, I get scared for the country as a whole because we've cultivated this environment.

    That, and the aformentioned velociraptors.

  21. Re:Relevance to programmers? by tinkerton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Being thought of as 'just about any worker.'

  22. Grues. by will_die · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nothing more fearful then the worry of having grues attack you as you go into a dark server room.

  23. Pilots and Astronauts have the same fear by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Interesting

    their #1 fear isn't the rocket blowing up and getting killed, it's not fear of blacking out from G-forces, it's not fear of getting shot down, it's the fear of screwing up.

    Same as the #1 fear from TFA. (fear of writing buggy code / messing up)

    The official Pilot's Prayer (as handed to us by Alan Shepard) is "Lord, please don't let me fuck up".

    Not "Lord, please don't let me blow up" or "Please keep me safe"

  24. Forgetting the 'where' clause by fiddyschmitt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Running an SQL update statement without a where clause and seeing '47,982 rows updated'.......bonechilling

  25. Why? by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    C is a fairly simple language to code in and debug. If you have problems with pointers - ie memory addressing - then seriously , find another vocation or stick to HTML because programming computers is not for you.

  26. Re:Relevance to programmers? by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Funny

    The "specific technology" one is a big one though. As someone who has been forced to use a lot of IBM "technology", I'm of the opinion that there is nothing to fear but WebSphere itself.

  27. Doesn't anyone remember FDR? by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is nothing to fear but fear itself.

    What does that mean. We as a culture have gotten very fearful within the past Decade. The fact that we are afraid of so much stuff has created more problems to be fearful of.

    Polarized Government: With people so fearful about a lot of things they will try to pinpoint the government as the major contributor. If you are right of center than Big Government is out to make your lives worse. If your are left of center then it is those Corporations that are out to make your lives worse. Those people who support your opposing side must be corrupted in some way. So they need to be stopped!

    Obesity: Lets not leave the confines of our own homes because there are dangerous people around the corner who wants to kill, abduct or mug us. So you stay inside where it is "Safe" after a while you start getting out of shape, then you don't want to go out even more because you are out of shape and are afraid of being insulted by people who don't like the way you work. You would go to the Gym, but only after you lose 20lbs first (so you are not the Fat Guy at the Gym), but losing those 20lbs is hard because you are not going to the gym.

    Economy: We need small businesses who can innovate (and much more than silly mobile apps). However people are afraid to start businesses because there is a chance that they will fail. Or get some lawsuit for stepping on some bogus patent or make a product that someone misused and hurt themselves. Combined with the fear trying to meet current regulations that you don't know about. Also fear of looking for an other better job because of uncertainty on how well other companies will last combined with companies fears about the same thing preventing them from hiring.

    --
    If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    1. Re:Doesn't anyone remember FDR? by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you are right of center than Big Government is out to make your lives worse. If your are left of center then it is those Corporations that are out to make your lives worse.

      ... And the extremists on both sides see the ever-increasing collusion between the two as the real culprit. There's still competition between corporations, but it's competition for influencing the right politicians or bureaucrats, instead of being better at serving customers.

      Jeff Immelt has become very adept in this environment. Far from being vilified and sanctioned for the massive migration of GE jobs overseas, he actually has Obama going to foreign countries promising billions of dollars for infrastructure investments, of which the vast majority, of course, will not only go into GE's pockets, but actually create a huge new captured market for GE.

      --
      "Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
      --- Jerry Garcia
  28. A faulty test suite by Richard+Kirk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Remember when the Hubble telescope first went up, and could not focus? It had all been tested on the ground on an artificial star target. Unfortunately, the test rig had a plate that was about half-an-inch thick that should have been subtracted from the optical path. So they had a mirror that was accurate to about 1/100th of a wave but half an inch in the wrong place.

    There was a rocket where the guidance for the two stages had been coded separately. One stage used a value of -9.8 m/s2 for 'g' because it measured heights upwards and the acceleration was downwards, while the other used a value of +9.8 m/s2 and flipped the sign in the equations. When the rocket took off, the first stage was fine but the second stage suddenly flipped over.

    That's what I dread: thinking I have checked everything, and thought of everything, and then finding out publicly and expensively that my regression tests were worthless all along.

  29. Yes, moreso than others by anyaristow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's nothing in that list (with the possible exception of "being forced to use a specific technology") that wouldn't apply to just about any worker.

    Programmers fear incompetence because they see it everywhere, even where it is not. They just don't recognize the value of thinking that isn't exactly like their own, or skills they don't have. So, this one applies to many, but to programmers more than anyone.

    Programmers fear screwing up because they are in the business of automation. They can screw up many things all at once. Complete failure over a trivial error, because computers don't have common sense to ask, "are you sure you meant to do that?", or, "what does this mean?". This one also applies to anyone building something that can injure people, but not to most other people. Most people can only screw up one thing at a time, or have people receiving the product of their work, who can sanity check it.

  30. My greatest fear by the_saint1138 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Working at a place where I don't have admin rights on my development machine.

  31. Stupid bosses, office politics by bzipitidoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Office politics. Just lovely when the management fucks up through sheer stupidity, but still has the cunning to find some way to blame you for it and make it stick.

    I'll whip out a car analogy. The bosses direct the driver down the wrong road. The driver questions this, but is told to shut up and drive, he doesn't know what he's talking about. 100 miles later, they realize they're not on the right road, and the screaming starts. They blame the driver for taking the wrong road, and fire him. They hire a map reader. They turn to the mechanic and demand he get 200 mph out of the engine, no excuses will be accepted and if he can't do it, he will be fired and they'll get someone who can. Never mind that the car is a cheap econobox that can't even do 100 mph. The mechanic manages a miracle and coaxes 120 mph out of the engine, and is promptly fired because that's not good enough. Over the protests of the map reader, they elect to take a desperate shortcut on a dirt road, to try to get back on track, and end up stuck in the mud. They fire the map reader, but are still stuck in the mud. With no one left to get them out, and no one left to blame, they finally lose their grip. Customers and supporters abandon them.

    --
    Intellectual Property is a monopolistic, selfish, and defective concept. It is "tyranny over the mind of man"
  32. Re:Biggest Fear? by Creepy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The stablest C code I've ever worked on used GOTO for error correction. It was WAY stabler than the C++ code that replaced it using try-catch blocks.

    My biggest fear for a long time was templates. The reason I feared them is because I used them to re-write a C graphics engine I got a source copy of into C++. I used a lot of novel approaches that should have sped up the whole thing, including a blitter (that should date me...) that was 4x faster because I used the floating point unit's much wider data path for block memory moves than the C code did, and wrote it in assembly (in fact, that exact same technique was published in a book called The Black Art of Game Design, albeit with slower code than mine, partially because it was not in assembly). When I got it done and compiled it, I was dismayed because my code was slightly slower, and after a few more optimizations, about the same speed. Baffled by this, I profiled the code, and the entire slowdown was template calls at the lowest level that triggered a lookup table that was abysmally slow (templates were REALLY bad in the compiler I was using, which I think was Borland). Unfortunately, it broke the entire codebase and I essentially had to throw away the entire engine and redo it from scratch. On the plus side, the rewritten engine was not based on the existing one and landed me a job writing games, albeit briefly (working 16-18/7 for months during crunch, sleeping at work, etc - very rapid burnout).