Japan and EU Commit 18m Euro To Develop 100Gbps Internet Access

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Japan and EU Commit 18m Euro To Develop 100Gbps Internet Access

Posted by timothy on Thursday July 4, 2013 @09:03AM from the just-lay-the-euros-end-to-end dept.

Mark.JUK writes "The European Union and Japan have unveiled a joint investment of 18 million Euros that aims to build more efficient fibre optic broadband networks that are '5000 times faster than today's average European broadband ISP speed (100Gbps compared to 19.7Mbps).' The funding will go towards supporting six research projects, which range from an effort to enable fibre optic networks at more than 100Gbps (aka – STRAUSS), to investigating new ways of ensuring efficient use of energy in information networks (aka — GreenICN). Faster than 100Gbps fibre optic links already exist but the new research could potentially help to bring these closer to homes. Some ISPs already offer 1Gbps+ connections to home users; not so long ago everybody was still stuck on a 50Kbps dialup link or slower."

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Hey by ArcadeMan · 2013-07-04 09:06 · Score: 2

not so long ago everybody was still stuck on a 50Kbps dialup link or slower.
I'm still on 28.8kbps dial-up you insensitive clod!

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1. Re:Hey by KrazyDave · 2013-07-04 09:13 · Score: 1
  
  I'm still on 9600 baud you insensitive clout!
  
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2. Re:Hey by ArcadeMan · 2013-07-04 09:15 · Score: 1
  
  bla bla bla 300bps you insensitive clod... was it ever slower than that?
  
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3. Re:Hey by GoodNewsJimDotCom · 2013-07-04 09:17 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  I'm not even on the Internet.
  
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4. Re:Hey by fisted · 2013-07-04 09:17 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  *smoke* *smoke* you *smoke*
  
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5. Re:Hey by Anonymous Coward · 2013-07-04 09:31 · Score: 1
  
  Bell 101 at 110 baud!
6. Re:Hey by msauve · 2013-07-04 09:36 · Score: 1
  
  45.45 bps Baudot.
  
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7. Re:Hey by KingMotley · 2013-07-04 11:44 · Score: 1
  
  Yes, 110 and 75 baud. I don't recall anything being before that.
8. Re:Hey by twocows · 2013-07-05 02:50 · Score: 1
  
  You joke, but once I finished with university and for about six months while I was looking for a job, I couldn't afford internet. I live in Michigan, where we have free dial-up via "Dial In Free," so that's what I used for six months in 2012 (and as a compsci graduate, no less).
  
  For the most part, it was only bearable by using Opera with images disabled (they used to have this nice little feature where you could load an image on demand, very useful). So many sites now have image-based layouts or some fancy markup (like Gmail, but at least they have a lightweight version) that even some of the most basic sites take an hour to load unless you do some sort of selective loading. That's something I didn't have to do back in the 90s. Luckily, IRC still works just fine, and that probably kept me sane.
18 whole million euros? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-07-04 09:20 · Score: 1

That's.. what.. like a day's worth of toilet paper for Bill Gates?
$36 Mil is chump change by rsilvergun · 2013-07-04 09:26 · Score: 1

If that's all it takes why am I still paying $60/mo for 1 mb down...?

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1. Re:$36 Mil is chump change by H0p313ss · 2013-07-04 09:35 · Score: 1
  
  If that's all it takes why am I still paying $60/mo for 1 mb down...?
  Mb or MB?
  That's pretty sad when in the Commune of Quebec in the Soviet Republic of Kanada you can get 60Mb down / 10Mb up for $80 a month. (And according to speedtest.net, they're lowballing it, it's actually 62Mb.)
  
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2. Re:$36 Mil is chump change by YrWrstNtmr · 2013-07-04 09:48 · Score: 2
  
  Or in Redneckistan Virginia, 50/25 (FiOS) for $45.
3. Re:$36 Mil is chump change by grahamsaa · 2013-07-04 10:06 · Score: 1
  
  $45?!? That same plan costs me $60 in western PA! And I thought I was getting a good deal :(
  
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4. Re:$36 Mil is chump change by H0p313ss · 2013-07-04 10:09 · Score: 1
  
  Or in Redneckistan Virginia, 50/25 (FiOS) for $45.
  Nice, but then you'd have to live in Virgina! (I kid... Apparently Viginia is quite nice, and the guy who said that was a Pakistani Muslim immigrant so the whole "redneck" thing has to be exaggerated, or at least in suburbia.)
  "Martha, there's a nice young man at the gate trying too sell me FiOS... Can you bring him a bowl of that squirrel stew and my checkbook?"
  
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5. Re:$36 Mil is chump change by fazig · 2013-07-04 10:57 · Score: 1
  
  Cry me a river, assuming you're talking about 1MByte/s. I get 2mBit/s down and 128kBit/s up for 40€/mo (~$51.67/mo) in Germany, from the major ISP, Telekom.
  They don't want to expand their infrastructure apparently because it is 'too expensive'. If I want any more bandwidth they politely tell me that I'd have to move or get WiMax.
6. Re:$36 Mil is chump change by hedwards · 2013-07-04 12:15 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah, but then you have to put up with the government there actually helping the people and the people not going out of their way to destroy the government.
Obligatory by felipou · 2013-07-04 09:29 · Score: 2

Obligatory... SMBC? http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2314
Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · 2013-07-04 09:30 · Score: 1

Man, I wish I had a 250GB/mo cap. I'm still stuck with 60GB/mo, on a 25 / .5Mbps connection.
Re:Of course by jones_supa · 2013-07-04 09:45 · Score: 2, Funny

Why do yanks have so crappy Internet connections? They are a superpower after all.
100Gps of Internet Access and nothing to download by Anonymous Coward · 2013-07-04 10:25 · Score: 1

I used to get a warm and fuzzy feeling deep in my heart when I heard news about bandwidth increases. The network can never be fast enough.
But now streaming media has taken over. Now 'cloud' services are taking over. Now everything has to happen 'in the net' and not on my PC anymore. And the network can never be fast enough for any of this, but it seems like I'm paying more and more, yet owning less and less.
When I hear news like this now, all I get is a not so fuzzy feeling in my gut telling me this is the beginning of the end of my rights to own anything. 100Gbps and it will be used trick us into the believing that streaming is the answer for everything. And not in a streaming fast download sort of way, but in a locked down "you'll never download anything again" sort of way.
All that's lacking... by Type44Q · 2013-07-04 10:26 · Score: 2

Japan and EU Commit 18 million Euro...
A whole eighteen mil, huh. I guess all that's lacking is Dr. Evil's voice... :p
Re:Of course by ByTor-2112 · 2013-07-04 10:31 · Score: 1

I really think that is part of it.
Re:100Gps of Internet Access and nothing to downlo by ByTor-2112 · 2013-07-04 10:33 · Score: 1

Build your own storage array. It's not hard. ZFS!!!
18 Million? by maliqua · 2013-07-04 11:33 · Score: 1

color me unimpressed is that a typo? is that billion? it sure feels like it should be billion
1. Re:18 Million? by hedwards · 2013-07-04 12:17 · Score: 2
  
  I'm actually rather impressed if it's only going to take them 18m to develop the access. I'm guessing that this is just the research end of it, and not the deployment. But, who knows.
Meanwhile... by FuzzNugget · 2013-07-04 11:42 · Score: 1

The American incumbent telcos have "pledged" a similar amount of money to suppress any regulation that would threaten their oligopolistic practice of wringing out their customers while providing world class shitty service.
1. Re:Meanwhile... by chrish · 2013-07-05 01:38 · Score: 1
  
  They need to study the telecom oligarchs in Canada; they're doing the same thing for significantly less "investment" in lobbying!
  
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Re:Of course by hedwards · 2013-07-04 12:14 · Score: 1

Never underestimate the power of a large number of undereducated, rural hicks can have on the political system.
They've been waging a war against urban areas for years. And largely winning due to the political system giving them a disproportionate vote.
Re:Yay! by sabri · 2013-07-04 12:16 · Score: 4, Interesting

More bandwidth to suck my pc dry of all information!
What they are forgetting is that they ISP must have 100Tbps links then... 100G is already out there. But it is used to aggregate lots of 20Mbps links. If you have 1000000 subscribers on 100G links, you will need at least 1000000G to provide them with access, assuming 1:10 overbooking.

Invest your money in CSCO or JNPR while you still can. Shares are around $20/$25.

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Australian broadband. by thegarbz · 2013-07-04 12:41 · Score: 1

I'll be impressed if they do this at 1/2000th of the cost of the Australian NBN. Either someone didn't know the difference between million and billion (could be if the article was originally in another language given that milliarde 10^9 follows million 10^6 and the billion is long billion 10^12 in many languages), or this is a token donation which will ultimately be a waste of money and won't net anyone any speed increase.
5000 times faster by hcs_$reboot · 2013-07-04 13:01 · Score: 2

5000 times more capacity / bandwidth would be more correct. Unless they intend an FTL technology.

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Re:Yay! by dj245 · 2013-07-04 14:55 · Score: 2, Insightful

More bandwidth to suck my pc dry of all information!
What they are forgetting is that they ISP must have 100Tbps links then... 100G is already out there. But it is used to aggregate lots of 20Mbps links. If you have 1000000 subscribers on 100G links, you will need at least 1000000G to provide them with access, assuming 1:10 overbooking.
Until something faster than SATA3.0 gets a marketshare, I think it is safe to assume that only a very very tiny percentage of customers will even break 6Gbit for any length of time. 1Gbit is probably more than plenty for a household for the next 10 years.

In 2003, 512mb of ram was common and the PATA133 spec could do 133MB/s (or about 1Gbit/s) in the ideal case. Now we have 8gb or 16gb of RAM being common and a 6Gbit/s disk interface. At 100Gbit, 1TB of data is transferred in about 90 seconds. In 2023, we might have computers with 256GB of ram and a disk interface that can do 36Gbit. 4k uncompressed video is only about 3.7Gbit. I have a hard time believing that even in 2027 (15 years), 100Gbit will be all that useful for the home user.

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Re:Of course by Zemran · 2013-07-04 15:22 · Score: 1

and crappy mobile phones/networks, it is strange that a relatively well off country has such poor tech infrastructure.

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Re:Of course by symbolset · 2013-07-04 18:51 · Score: 1

Because oligopoly.

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Re:Of course by TheLink · 2013-07-04 19:03 · Score: 1

Also any faster and the NSA won't be able to keep up... ;)
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what good is all that bandwidth? by OrangeTide · 2013-07-04 19:50 · Score: 1

We don't need very much bandwidth to click "checkout" ten times a day (doing our part to prop up the world economy). Why do the rest of you think we need so much bandwidth, is there really that big of a demand for high defininition streaming video. I can't believe all of you are watching porn at the same time.

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1. Re:what good is all that bandwidth? by expatriot · 2013-07-05 00:18 · Score: 1
  
  At least part of the "need" for fast download is to have a website with lots of graphics and images render as soon as you enter the URL. The peak information flow is very fast, then you sit there for 15 seconds thinking about what to click.
  this is a very different subjective experience than waiting for 15 seconds for the site to display fully.
  Most development in processors seems to be focused at shortening the delay between a key or mouse click and something happening on the display.
2. Re:what good is all that bandwidth? by OrangeTide · 2013-07-05 11:47 · Score: 1
  
  I have enough bandwidth to render nearly any page in less than 15 seconds. but the latency from both the network and the server side processing is such that it takes quite a bit longer than that.
  
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Re:Yay! by bbn · 2013-07-04 21:38 · Score: 1

This is not about getting 100 Gbps to your home. It is about building ISP networks with faster links. They are apparently not even trying to invent the 100 Gbps technology, they are just going to find out how it can be managed in a large network.
US, China and Iran commit to resisting by morgauxo · 2013-07-05 04:45 · Score: 1

In related news...
US, Australia, China and Iran commit to resisting higher speed internet access citing concerns that they might not be able to collect all of the information that their people might generate at that speed. "I looked into his eyes and I could see a kindred soul" President Obamma says of Ahmadinejad after returning from the conference where they all quickly agreed to enact an internet speed limit.
Chicken Feed by jess_wundring · 2013-07-05 08:18 · Score: 1

In the US, 18M Euro (23M US) is a governmental rounding error.
I mean, heck, that's not even a third of what it costs to send our president to Africa for the week.
And yet, OTOH, I can't even imagine what 100GBS would feel like. The best I can get in my neck of these American woods is 4MBS, and keeping it costs a little over $120/month, with taxes.