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Mount Everest Gets 4G Connectivity

hypnosec writes "Huawei, in collaboration with China Mobile, has successfully deployed 4G services on Mount Everest, about 5,200 meters above sea level. Announcing the development, Huawei revealed that work was completed last month and users can now access 4G services like streaming live HD videos from the base camp on the mountain."

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  1. Conversion to foot by Conversion+Bot+v2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you were wondering, 5200 meters is about 17 ft. That is 19 ft above sea level.

    1. Re:Conversion to foot by erpbridge · · Score: 2

      If you were wondering, 5200 meters is about 17 ft. That is 19 ft above sea level.

      Yeah, you might want to double check that. More like 17k (thousand) ft. Not 17 feet, the height of my ladder.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everest_Base_Camp

    2. Re:Conversion to foot by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Either that, or Noah has just discovered Slashdot.

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    3. Re:Conversion to foot by jonbryce · · Score: 4, Funny

      17060 feet. You wouldn't per chance work for NASA?

    4. Re:Conversion to foot by erpbridge · · Score: 4, Informative

      Having thought about it, guessing he was talking about 5,200 meters with the thinking that in certain places in the world, they use a comma rather than a decimal point to represent the division between partial units. In that case, 5,200 metres = 5.200 meters = 17.0604 feet = 17,0604 feet in that particular case.

      But Everest Base camp (either south or north, both on a fairly broad area) are most certainly not a handful of meters above sea level.

    5. Re:Conversion to foot by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Look like it's time for Conversion Bot v3

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    6. Re:Conversion to foot by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      That is why when talking with people in the Internet you should never, ever use the thousand unit separator. At most you can use space as a separator. At least that one is not likely to be mistaken for the unit separator.

    7. Re:Conversion to foot by Marillion · · Score: 1

      Is this why the Mars landing craft crashed?

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    8. Re:Conversion to foot by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      In _real_ languages like Ada and Verilog you can use the underscore as an optional thousand unit separator.

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    9. Re:Conversion to foot by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      That is why when talking with people in the Internet you should never, ever use the thousand unit separator.

      This is why on Slashdot, you should always use the "E" notation for floating point numbers. Example: 5.2e3 meters. Completely unambiguous to any Slashdotter.

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    10. Re:Conversion to foot by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      In _real_ languages like Ada and Verilog

      You forgot Ruby. Or perhaps not.

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    11. Re:Conversion to foot by idunham · · Score: 1

      I thought that at first, but then I noticed he said "...5200 meters is..."

    12. Re:Conversion to foot by Kidbro · · Score: 1

      Example: 5.2e3 meters.

      Looks hexadecimal to me.

      Completely unambiguous to any Slashdotter.

      For sure! :)

    13. Re:Conversion to foot by FuzzNugget · · Score: 3, Funny

      And yet, it's still lower than the woosh sound that just went over your head.

    14. Re:Conversion to foot by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      In _real_ languages like Ada and Verilog you can use the underscore as an optional thousand unit separator.

      I wonder why more programming languages don't incorporate a separator that is ignored on number parsing. Like underscores. They're extremely handy (and very useful if you could use it arbitrarily in case you need to break the number into oddly shaped groups). Especially when you're dealing with 64-bit numbers which are starting to get a bit long to type out and missing a digit is a likely possibility.

    15. Re:Conversion to foot by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Looks hexadecimal to me.

      Hexadecimal would have been 0x145p4.

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    16. Re:Conversion to foot by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      No, I'm pretty sure 5.200 meters is the height of 5 and 1/5th standard US parking meters stacked on top of each other.

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  2. Be careful by lesincompetent · · Score: 5, Informative

    Video streaming? Only if you get proper authorization first!

    1. Re:Be careful by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      A nice turn-around about the mindset the local bureaucrats originally had, unless their motivation is to charge filming fees for each video call.

      well, I don't see why wouldn't be motivated to charge filming fees for each call.

      also they might be motivated to not allow people to live stream their deaths and pictures of the bodies - you know, that the booming mount everest climbing industry doesn't take a hit.

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  3. Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Oh, thought it was for the climbers to view porn.

    1. Re:Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      As a bonus, you can enjoy slow, auto-erotic asphyxiation white masturbating.

  4. Re:meters? by MicktheMech · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everybody living in the 21st century should.

  5. First Post... by lourd_baltimore · · Score: 1

    ...from Everest. Because it's there.

  6. Verizon sucks by hawguy · · Score: 1

    Verizon can't provide any 4G, or even reliable 3G coverage in my neighborhood, yet Everest climbers have good enough 4G coverage to stream HD video!?

    1. Re:Verizon sucks by TubeSteak · · Score: 2

      Verizon can't provide any 4G, or even reliable 3G coverage in my neighborhood, yet Everest climbers have good enough 4G coverage to stream HD video!?

      The topography is favorable, the max user load is easily estimated, and the telco gets good PR out of it.
      I doubt your neighborhood can claim 2/3 of those things.

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    2. Re:Verizon sucks by sethstorm · · Score: 1

      Both of which are composed of CPC-led entities

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    3. Re:Verizon sucks by N0Man74 · · Score: 1

      Verizon can't provide any 4G, or even reliable 3G coverage in my neighborhood, yet Everest climbers have good enough 4G coverage to stream HD video!?

      I was thinking something similar... but with a different carrier. I barely can get service in my neighborhood in a city that is in the sprawl of one of the largest 50 cities in the country..

  7. Re:meters? by chilvence · · Score: 4, Informative

    Feet are deprecated. You are welcome to make your own conversion :)

  8. Re:Mount Everest is a fucking joke by Scutter · · Score: 1

    How is it a "joke of a mountain"?

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  9. This will work with....? by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

    Considering that people visit and climb everest from all over the world with phones from all carriers (including phones without SIM cards), wouldn't adding extensive wifi not make more sense? At least I'm guessing that these 4g towers will only work with Huawei as individual 4g implementations tend to be carrier specific. It would be nice to know that I could bring my Sprint phone to Everest and be able to stream, blog, and Skype with it. I'm not saying you can't have 4g also, but if it's limited to a single carrier, it is, well... limited.

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    1. Re:This will work with....? by fred911 · · Score: 2

      The US is the only country with CDMA phones. ROW uses sim based GSM phones.

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    2. Re:This will work with....? by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

      Thank you for clarifying that. It also occurs to me that in order to have wifi, you would also first need some sort of other broadband internet in place... so I guess that's that.

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    3. Re:This will work with....? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      When the rest of the world used CDMA (and they do), they used CDMA2000, and used SIMs with CDMA. So don't bash CDMA for a US market failure.

    4. Re:This will work with....? by loufoque · · Score: 1

      Use a triple-band or quadri-band phone, and it will work everywhere in the world.

    5. Re:This will work with....? by scream+at+the+sky · · Score: 1

      Bell and Telus in Canada maintain a fairly extensive CDMA network, even though it has been largely deprecated with an HSPA overlay that is compatible with 3G / 4G / LTE as well.

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    6. Re:This will work with....? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Japan uses WCDMA. Most phones have a SIM, but a few carrier branded ones apparently do not.

      My quad band GS3 works in Europe and Japan, not sure about the US.

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  10. roaming costs are higher then that fee by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    roaming costs are higher then that fee.

    A video call at $15-$20 a meg.

  11. This vaguely bothers me by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Problem is, I know that adding this makes sense from a safety perspective, and it might even save lives. But my gut tells me it's taking something away from the adventure, the essence of the human experience that drives men and women to attempt dangerous feats and explore the unknown.

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    1. Re:This vaguely bothers me by jjohnson · · Score: 1

      The sense of adventure in climbing Everest was wounded when they started having traffic jams on the way to the summit, and finally killed when an 80 year old man summited, while being chased by his 81 year old rival. It's a fucking tourist destination now, albeit one that periodically suffers mass casualty events.

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    2. Re:This vaguely bothers me by memnock · · Score: 1

      ... albeit one that periodically suffers mass casualty events.

      Sounds like the adventure still exists to some extent.

      Based on recent media, Everest does sound like it's turned into some kind of tourist trap, instead of a remote, arduous frontier. What frontiers remain that haven't turned into prime time television scenery?

  12. Re:Mount Everest is a fucking joke by Dzimas · · Score: 4, Informative

    3,142 people have summited Everest a total of 5,104 times. Two hundred and nineteen people have lost their lives, with a quarter dying after reaching the summit. That's a 6.97% fatality rate. It's hardly something to joke about.

  13. spying by beefoot · · Score: 1

    I was going to say Chinese government is trying to steal private information from people using their network. That was before the NSA's spying plan being made public. Now I would just say please feel free to steal my personal private information.

  14. Re:WTF.. by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because the mountain is famous.

  15. Re:meters? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    I, personally, appreciate my feet. Don't depreciate your feet!

  16. Re:Mount Everest is a fucking joke by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    The GP must be planning to make an ascent of Mt. Olympus once Elon is offering commercial transit.

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  17. Re:Better use? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    No matter what China does, the world still considers them a "cheap" country with low quality and no industry leadership. Putting the first 4G on Everest counts as a win against that. Gets Chinese innovation in the news, and help dispel the myth that China exists only to fill Wal-Mart's shelves.

    What "better" place do you suggest for that?

  18. Re:What the hell for? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    Isn't part of the point of visiting a remote location such as this the fact that you're at arms length from civilisation? Or are people so fucking shallow now that climbing the worlds tallest mountain is nothing without being able to tweet about it to other vacuous morons from the top?

    haha, everest for retreating from society ?!?! hahaha hahahaha ahahah, you're talking about a place where most everyone has personal hired help, even if they don't have that at home and pretty much everyone goes there for bragging rights. you'd be better off mining gold in lapland for retreating from civilization! no queues there, unlike at mt everest.

    shitloads of mosquitos though in lapland in summer..

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  19. Re:Mount Everest is a fucking joke by Scutter · · Score: 1

    So, your contention is that it's "too easy" to climb and therefore the mountain itself is some kind of absurdity? You must hate every minor hill on the planet.

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  20. Re:WTF.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So is England.

  21. Two stoners climb the Mount Everest by Fuzzums · · Score: 1

    They had never been that high before...

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  22. Re:Mount Everest is a fucking joke by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Hey! You do realise that you're talking about the mountain with the biggest tits in the world, don't you?

    Show a little respect, please.

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  23. Re:WTF.. by gl4ss · · Score: 2

    The Sun never setting on Britain's empire is a faded memory when it ended a very long time ago; England is perceived as just another back water pub. You need to let it go.

    hard to let it go I suppose when Everest is named by brits and stories about it keep coming up, that's why we call it mount everest and everyone calls it that and not some actual tsinkelotonkelo native name.

    (last I checked the sun never set in the empire, too)

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  24. Re:WTF.. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    England isn't in China, except for Hong Kong, which already has 4G.

  25. Re:Is it safe to use? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    What is traceroute for this service?
    Is the stream stored by NSA before being broadcast to the destination?

    If it routes through USA probably greatly depends on your location.

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  26. It's for... by Coppit · · Score: 2

    Frostbite porn?

    1. Re:It's for... by wilsonlink · · Score: 1

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  27. Re:meters? by Xtifr · · Score: 2

    Why? Many people prefer metres! :D

  28. Is the CPC that desperate to tap people? by sethstorm · · Score: 1


    "Huawei, in collaboration with China Mobile, has successfully deployed 4G services on Mount Everest, about 5,200 meters above sea level. Announcing the development, Huawei revealed that work was completed last month and users can now access 4G services like streaming live HD videos from the base camp on the mountain."

    Given that Huawei is more or less an arm of the Chinese government, those services might as well be a glorified CPC tap - with the same restrictions as those placed within the PRC.

    (oh, and before someone talks about a certain US TLA, your own people don't die or disappear when it acts - unlike China which does it if you look the wrong way at the wrong person)

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  29. Re:What the hell for? by PPH · · Score: 1

    "Hey! Guess where I am."

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  30. Re:What the hell for? by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    If you want a challenge, the K2 is smaller than the Everest, but it kills much more people

  31. Bad math by Solandri · · Score: 2

    3,142 people have summited Everest a total of 5,104 times. Two hundred and nineteen people have lost their lives, with a quarter dying after reaching the summit. That's a 6.97% fatality rate.

    No it's not. You're using the wrong denominator. If you're going to use the number of times Everest has been summitted as the denominator, then you need to compare to deaths among those who reached the summit. A quarter of 219 = 55. 55/5104 = 1.1% fatality rate.

    If you're going to calculate a fatality rate based on the total 219 people who died (regardless of whether they failed or succeeded), then you need to compare it to the total number of people who've attempted to summit Everest (regardless of whether they failed or succeeded).

  32. Re:Better use? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    What a weird thing to write.

    Your reading comprehension doesn't affect the meaning. They are known for "cheap knockoffs" more than anything else. The country of piracy, lead children toys, and all that. I helped a friend with a translation. The Lewisville Lizards placed an order for stuffed lizards. "cheapest material possible" I'm sure they got what they asked for, and will forever blame China for giving them what they asked for (well, would if they weren't a defunct one-season team with no league).

    I said nothing to indicate that the moniker was earned, and I even put it in quotes. Your inability to understand what's written doesn't mean I said something other than what I meant. They are perceived to be cheap, and that does affect their auto export business, or router export business. And if you look at the negative comments against China recently (even within the other comments in this article), it seems that the perception is a modern one, not a forgotten holdover from the 1980s.

  33. Cool by koan · · Score: 1

    Do we feel good about this?

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  34. Things are different today ... by drnb · · Score: 1

    3,142 people have summited Everest a total of 5,104 times. Two hundred and nineteen people have lost their lives, with a quarter dying after reaching the summit. That's a 6.97% fatality rate. It's hardly something to joke about.

    With today's ultralight gear and portable O2 its not quite the same climb that it used to be. And if you are paying a "guide" to carry your gear and extra O2 tanks its even less so. Not everyone who get their photo taken at the summit has "truly" climbed Everest.

    1. Re:Things are different today ... by Psychotria · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yep. gcc -O2 makes a huge difference.

    2. Re:Things are different today ... by drnb · · Score: 1

      Yep. gcc -O2 makes a huge difference.

      Perhaps in George Mallory's day, but any serious modern climber will be using clang -O2.

    3. Re:Things are different today ... by Psychotria · · Score: 1

      Perhaps in George Mallory's day, but any serious modern climber will be using clang -O2.

      Clang? Cling is better.

  35. Re:meters? by Psychotria · · Score: 1

    The word, if you're referring to a standard of measurement, is metre(s). A meter is a device that measures things and also a term used in music. I know that American spelling uses meter but they really are two different things and deservedly have two different words internationally.

  36. Re:Mount Everest is a fucking joke by timeOday · · Score: 2
    But look at the trend. About 70% of the total ascents in history have been since 2005.

    Now look at how the death rate has changed over time - it dropped dramatically by 1990, and remained at that lower number even as the number of ascents soared. So talking about the death rate going back to the 1950s is quite misleading.

  37. Tibetan Base Camp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Does everyone miss the point that this would be the Chinese base camp and not the one in Nepal?

  38. Re:WTF.. by arth1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    hard to let it go I suppose when Everest is named by brits and stories about it keep coming up, that's why we call it mount everest and everyone calls it that and not some actual tsinkelotonkelo native name.

    The use of Chomolungma as the name is increasing in popularity, and the days of Mt Everest are probably numbered. Just like most people don't say Ayer's Rock any more, but call it Uluru.

  39. Re:WTF.. by isorox · · Score: 2

    The Sun never setting on Britain's empire is a faded memory when it ended a very long time ago; England is perceived as just another back water pub. You need to let it go.

    Err no, still going

    http://what-if.xkcd.com/48/

  40. fb updates by olip85 · · Score: 1

    I'm the king of the world LOLL!!!!11one

  41. Re:Mount Everest is a fucking joke by magic+maverick+ · · Score: 1

    Life has a 100% fatality rate. It's something to joke about.

    What's black and white and red all over? A nun beaten to death. Ha ha! Classic.

    I.e. just because you might not find it funny, doesn't mean that there should never be jokes made about it. Just because you find the topic serious, doesn't mean everyone does.

    Also, the GP didn't even mention people dying. You did. Why do you think it's at all relevant to the GP's post?

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  42. Nobody will be happy until... by Virtucon · · Score: 1

    A Walmart and a McDonalds are built on top of Everest...

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  43. That's great. Now maybe Sprint will deploy it by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    south of NASA Parkway in the nice, suburban area with lots of subscribers, or North of the Woodlands where there's lots of subscribers. Or across the street from their own corporate stores in Louisiana that sell 4G phones. They have one horse population 1,000 towns in way out nowhere East Texas covered, but dammit, those not quite white collar urban and suburban areas just aren't worth paying attention to.

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  44. Re:WTF.. by burne · · Score: 1

    While on holiday in Northumberland and Cumbria I was actually pleasantly surprised by the speed and coverage and even the price for 3G data. £25 for a huawei dongle and 2Gbyte data. At the time I would have paid €100 down here for the same hardware and number of bytes. Yes, coverage in the Pennines was restricted to near roads and villages, but that is to be expected.

  45. When did... by mgcarley · · Score: 1

    Mt Everest become Chinese? Despite being "right on the border" I'm pretty sure the country that it's known for being in is Nepal, not China.

    Even Google Maps says it's in some province of Tibet, yet clearly marks Everest as being on the Nepalese side.

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  46. Re:Better use? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    The other thing that doesn't get much attention is the reason for the price difference. It isn't labor. It's regulation. Environmental regulations add more to the difference than labor does. If labor was the driving factor, then China wouldn't be automating and still holding manufacturing contracts. Labor is cheaper in India and Africa. Sure, stuff will go there eventually, but the labor isn't that much of the cost in an automated factory. I've been in TI's manufacturing facility and Huawei's manufacturing facility, and they are comparable (Huawei is more automated than TI was 10+ years ago when I was last there, but the time frame wasn't the same). But China will be cheaper because a little heavy metal dumped in the river won't get nearly the response in Shenzhen as it would in Dallas. That and the worker safety isn't the same, nor the compliance cost for OSHA/insurance. Wages are almost inconsequential when you add up all the other costs. It matters when you are fightig for the last 1%, which is why you might as well start there, but the difference in wages between China and others is still not enough to get factories to move. That alone, to me, disproves the wage theory.

    Wal-Mart is just evil. They promise work to people, then give them too few hours to get benefits. They are fired if they talk to union organizers. The workers in Wal-Mart are exploited. The suppliers are exploited. And the customers are as well (though to a lesser degree). Wal-Mart is capitalism, and it sucks.

  47. Re:Mount Everest is a fucking joke by Dzimas · · Score: 1

    54 fatalities since 2000, around 2%. A 1 in 50 chance is still extreme.

  48. Re:Mount Everest is a fucking joke by Dzimas · · Score: 1

    The guy was flaming, claiming that the act of climbing the mountain was a joke. It's not. It's damn hard and extremely dangerous.