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Ask Slashdot: Preventing Snowden-Style Security Breaches?

Nerval's Lobster writes "The topic of dealing with insider threats has entered the spotlight in a big way recently thanks to Edward Snowden. A former contractor who worked as an IT administrator for the National Security Agency via Booz Allen Hamilton, Snowden rocked the public with his controversial (and unauthorized) disclosure of top secret documents describing the NSA's telecommunications and Internet surveillance programs to The Guardian. Achieving a layer of solid protection from insiders is a complex issue; when it comes to protecting a business's data, organizations more often focus on threats from the outside. But when a trusted employee or contractor uses privileged access to take company data, the aftermath can be as catastrophic to the business or organization as an outside attack. An administrator can block removal of sensitive data via removable media (Snowden apparently lifted sensitive NSA data using a USB device) by disabling USB slots or controlling them via access or profile, or relying on DLP (which has its own issues). They can install software that monitors systems and does its best to detect unusual employee behavior, but many offerings in this category don't go quite far enough. They can track data as it moves through the network. But all of these security practices come with vulnerabilities. What do you think the best way is to lock down a system against malicious insiders?"

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  1. simple by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Simple. Do good, make people working for you feel they're doing something good for the world.

    1. Re:simple by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, well, perhaps in La-la Land. Here, in reality, no matter how good your organization may be (for whatever definition of "good" you choose to use), you may still end up with bad employees. The question of securing your data shouldn't be about good or evil, or any particular moral judgment, but simply about how to make sure you're critical and confidential data doesn't end up being ripped off.

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    2. Re:simple by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hark! Do I hear the approach of the Freedom Drone?

      Stop launching Hellfires on babies, and stop treating the Citizens of your Republic like suspects in your dragnet.

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    3. Re:simple by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. If an employer is doing nothing wrong, then at least long-term, it has nothing to hide. :-D

      There are still merely-self-interested insiders: It's practically a tradition for Mr. Sleazy McSales to abscond with all the customer data when he accepts a position with the competition, and his engineering counterparts to lift design docs and the like for the same purpose.

      Doing good does have the advantage of reducing disillusionment among your otherwise-least-corruptable people, and helps prevent economically-irrational leaking; but you still have to worry about the merely mercenary.

    4. Re:simple by kthreadd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let's say that the PRISM program managed to stop X number of terrorist attacks. As an NSA employee you might very well consider your work to be of good. Otherwise you would probably not work there. And this is probably true for many types of jobs. Good is a relative term, it depends on the viewer.

    5. Re:simple by rtfa-troll · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The question of securing your data shouldn't be about good or evil, or any particular moral judgment, but simply about how to make sure you're critical and confidential data doesn't end up being ripped off.

      There's a certain level that you can go that way. However, in the end, to be useful data has to be loaded into people's heads. People can then unload part of it elsewhere. A very important part of securing the data is making sure that those people who could do that choose not to because they see the value of your mission. Those people who surround them also see the value and put social pressure not to reveal secrets. When the US loses it's moral authority by doing things identical to acts it has previously criticised this is obviously going to increase the risk of a leak.

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    6. Re:simple by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed. Loyalty is the only thing that works. DLP is basically a scam to make tons of money, but cannot prevent leakage. As long as people work with data, they can steal that data. Get used to it.

      You can to a bit of personality screening. For example if you are the NSA, you want to screen out anybody with a shred of personal ethics or honor. Then make sure you bribe these people in staying loyal too you and keep the bribes up. Sure, you only get psychos that way, but nothing else is going to work.

      If, on the other hand, your organization is actually contributing something positive, then make sure your employees have ethics and honor, believe in the cause and address grievances before they become a problem.

      Loyalty is the key, and how to get it depends on what your organization does. Nothing besides loyalty will help against anybody determined.

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    7. Re:simple by TheCarp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > you may still end up with bad employees. The question of securing your data shouldn't be about
      > good or evil, or any particular moral judgment, but simply about how to make sure you're critical and
      > confidential data doesn't end up being ripped off.

      Don't let your employees access any data that you don't want them to release. Period.

      If you are really that worried, then you can't give them access. If someone has access to the data, and feels it should be released, they will release it, they will find a way, and nothing you do is going to be able to prevent it.

      Any measure you take can be defeated, short of not allowing access at all. Store the data on systems that are connected to nothing and require physical access in a secure and monitored location. Make them work under the eye of cameras. Stand over their shoulder while they work.

      Seriously, short of that, you are hosed. In the end, don't do things that people will want to release, and you solve the vast majority of the problem. The more controversial your secrets (that is, the more people who see you as evil) the more control you need to prevent it.

      So.... don't deserve a Snowden and the chances that you will have one are seriously reduced.

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    8. Re:simple by Dahamma · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, the general question TFA asks about security breaches really has nothing to do with right and wrong or morality, it was simply about protection of data from insiders in any organization. What if Snowden's motivation had instead been monetary (which is much more common in security breaches than whistleblowing)? Or industrial espionage instead of government?

      Protecting data from internal leaks is a complex issue, and pretending "if you are good it won't happen" is idiotic.

    9. Re:simple by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's say that the PRISM program managed to stop X number of terrorist attacks. As an NSA employee you might very well consider your work to be of good. Otherwise you would probably not work there. And this is probably true for many types of jobs. Good is a relative term, it depends on the viewer.

      You seem to be under the impression that most people have the job they have because they want to "do good."

      That is incorrect; the actual reason most people have a job at all is because it's damn-near-if-not impossible to survive today without some form of monetary income.

      I'm guessing the dicks at the NSA (yea, that's right, I called you all dicks. Prove me wrong.) do what they do because the paycheck is quite fat; on the other hand, I guess some people would sell their own mother to the slavers for a pack of smokes and a lighter...

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    10. Re:simple by peragrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The trick with that is what was the ratio of attacks stopped versus the number of people "looked" at?

      In the UK their is a current debate on random stop and search used by police. The noticeable point is that it is 9% effective in finding someone doing something wrong.

      So if the police stop and search 100 cars they find 9 people who are breaking the law.

      Prism is spying on tens of millions, to find a couple dozen.

      that is why it should be stopped. They should turn that kind of data mining loose not on the outside world but their own internal agencies. If the NSA data mines, searches emails, databases, etc they could get far better results.

      It would single handily merge the agencies that don't want to cooperate and produce far better results.

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    11. Re:simple by TheCarp · · Score: 2

      > Exactly, because all the most altruistically great companies had no data they would like to
      > keep from the public and their competitors.

      Who said that? The point is that, as a technological problem there is no serious solution set. You can either deny access entirely, or put onorus productivity and morale killing restrictions on access. However, anything you can think up, likely can be somehow defeated.... unless you think you can get away with asking people to strip naked upon their arrival to work and work in the nude while you stand over their shoulder watching and video recording them.... but even then someone will, given enough time and with enough motivation, find a way to trick you.

      However, not making your employees feel that they should do it goes a long way to making sure it doesn't happen. I have seen many disgruntled employees, but vanishingly few of them actually turn to releasing secrets or stealing lots of data. (of course, few companies really have much all that worth stealing, despite what they may think.... lots of people think their own pile of shit is solid gold.

      Honestly, I think most companies get this right by not spending too much time or resource on it, and instead, focusing on getting the job done. If you really don't want it to happen, your absolute best bet is to cultivate happy employees who feel the company is good to them.

      Then, just be sure if you do anything so illegal or so morally objectionable that even good, happy, otherwise loyal employees want to blow the whistle, you keep that really really quiet and away from their eyes.

      And if you really have any secrets that are so valuable someone will seriously pay money to steal them, then maybe you want to think of some amount of access control, keeping things on machines off the network, that sort of.... you know...all the normal suggestions that everybody, very smartly, ignores 99.999% of the time.

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    12. Re:simple by erroneus · · Score: 2

      I would have said it differently. "Stop breaking the fucking law!!"

    13. Re:simple by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can you tell me how reduced? What percentage of data theft by insiders is by whistle blowers, and what percentage is by employees out to screw employers or profit by selling sensitive information?

      My gut tells me the latter far outweighs the former, but clearly you must have some notion as you say that being a good organization will seriously reduce your risk.

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    14. Re:simple by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

      Simple. Do good, make people working for you feel they're doing something good for the world.

      There have been many different conceptions of what constitute "good."

      Many people thought that fascism was "good" for Weimar Germany, and some believe it today, and not just for Germany.
      Many people thought that Soviet Communism was "good" for the people of the Soviet Union and the world. Some still think that today.
      Many people think that living under the strict rules of Sharia is "good," democracy is a decadent evil, and imposing Sharia on others is their obligation.
      Many people think that Snowden is doing good, no matter what the consequences turn out to be.
      The people at the NSA probably believe* that they are doing good by protecting the US and its allies from another Pearl Harbor or 9/11.

      The infamous spy Kim Philby probably thought that he was doing the world a service by being a Communist spy so that the benefits of Communism would advance. Vidkun Quisling probably felt that he was working for the future of Norway when he betrayed his country to the German fascists.

      "Do good" isn't really an adequate prescription unless you specify the value system.

      * Just guessing, I have no actual experience there.

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    15. Re:simple by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      There are still merely-self-interested insiders: It's practically a tradition for Mr. Sleazy McSales to abscond with all the customer data when he accepts a position with the competition, and his engineering counterparts to lift design docs and the like for the same purpose.

      IMO, lifting contact info is just not a big deal, in much the same way that bringing your Rolodex with you has been the norm for decades. If your business has such poor customer loyalty that the mere knowledge of your customer list puts it in jeopardy, then your business should die to make room for more worthy competitors.

      As for lifting engineering designs, if your competition does much of anything with those designs, they run the risk of running afoul of the law, and can get into serious trouble for it. That's why when Pepsi was offered Coca-Cola's trade-secret formulas, they reported the leaker to their competitor.

      This is not to say that there isn't very short-term usefulness to keeping secrets about products that have not yet been released, but if you're really concerned about that, it is an easily solved problem: give all your employees a 12-month paid do-not-compete clause, in which they aren't allowed to work for your competition for a period of time, but you pay them as though they were still working for you. This eliminates that risk almost entirely, while still being fair to the workers.

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    16. Re:simple by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm guessing the dicks at the NSA (yea, that's right, I called you all dicks. Prove me wrong.)

      Come on man, I've gone through your email, we have a lot of the same hobbies, we could be friends.

      You could invite me, or I can just show up and we can go shooting. I already know the time and place. I'll pick up some subs at Blimpie's on the way over, that cool?

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    17. Re:simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      nope -- most people who work for the NSA would probably make more money as web developers or whatever the current make-money-fast job role is. Most of them honestly believe that they are doing something worth doing beyond just money.

      hard for you to believe, I guess. maybe you should thank them?

      my problem with this is that they may think they are doing good, but are they really?

    18. Re:simple by grantspassalan · · Score: 2

      NO SIMPLER: No one person should have so much knowledge and access to secret data.

      In order to be useful data, SOMEONE must have access to it. If that person is not trustworthy, honest and reliable, that data will fly the coop and no technological measures will ever prevent that. If the employer is doing something immoral or illegal, a trustworthy, honest and reliable person WILL have a problem and MUST report this to someone who is in the position to do something about it.

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    19. Re:simple by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The people working for the Stasi thought they were doing the "right thing" too.

    20. Re:simple by davydagger · · Score: 4, Interesting

      and heaven knows what else they are looking for besides terrorists.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Index

      Read this, Subversives: the FBI's war on student radicals
      http://www.amazon.com/Subversives-Student-Radicals-Reagans-Power/dp/0374257000

      Based on de-classified FBI memos, it describes how th FBI kept security and reserve lists of political enemies, that could be detained at a moments notice.

      Its a clear example on how we got damn close to having our own "night of long knives".

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_long_knives

    21. Re:simple by TheCarp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sure my gut tells me the same; but that doesn't mean I think much can be done about it in most situations. The simple fact is you need your employees to do their job, if your information is so valuable to your business, then its even more likely that impeding them getting it is impeding your business.

      Security measures are best seen as insurance since they can never pay off in the positive, they can only cost, and hopefully, less than the alternative....and that cost isn't just the cost of doing them once, but the cost of keeping them up every single day and the entire effect of that.

      I seriously think a person trying to solve this problem is, most likely, trying to solve the wrong problem, unless perhaps, he is a criminal, or actually has data that is worth more to a criminal than the HR database of names, SSN, addresses, salaries etc.... which is unlikely for anyone asking slashdot.

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    22. Re:simple by sg_oneill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The magna carta is a wonderful document. More important perhaps in the history of laws than even the US constitution as a statement of rights, simply because the magna carta was the *first*.

      But the rights it outlays are fairly simple, and rather indicitive of its times.

      [quote]

                      1. FIRST, We have granted to God, and by this our present Charter have confirmed, for Us and our Heirs for ever, that the Church of England shall be free, and shall have all her whole Rights and Liberties inviolable. We have granted also, and given to all the Freemen of our Realm, for Us and our Heirs for ever, these Liberties under-written, to have and to hold to them and their Heirs, of Us and our Heirs for ever.
                      9. THE City of London shall have all the old Liberties and Customs which it hath been used to have. Moreover We will and grant, that all other Cities, Boroughs, Towns, and the Barons of the Five Ports, as with all other Ports, shall have all their Liberties and free Customs.
                      29. NO Freeman shall be taken or imprisoned, or be disseised of his Freehold, or Liberties, or free Customs, or be outlawed, or exiled, or any other wise destroyed; nor will We not pass upon him, nor condemn him, but by lawful judgment of his Peers, or by the Law of the land. We will sell to no man, we will not deny or defer to any man either Justice or Right.[45]
      [/quote]

      Then theres a bunch of other ones like the king has to stop taking hostages ( a surprisingly common event in medieval europe ) , mercenaries have to gtfo of england, "all evil customs connected with forests were to be abolished" and other assorted medieval jurist things.

      But in terms of stop and search, AFAIK your rights are preserved only as far as a right to a fair trial, I'm afraid.

      Its an old document, more or less a first attempt at codifying limits on executive power.

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    23. Re:simple by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The intent of the Stasi was to look for any kind of "traitors" or subversives, not just people trying to escape; the NSA's mission was the same: spy on the populace.

      If the USA was right next door to a country that was a much better place to live, and accepted any escapees with open arms, and enough people started emigrating there that it seriously affected the economy, then the US would certainly ban emigration. It doesn't have to because it has no reason to at this point; there aren't a lot of places that are significantly better, none of them are nearby, and those that are aren't highly friendly to immigrants unless they have valuable skills or a lot of money in the bank, plus for the moment the employment situation for those people with valuable skills is still pretty decent here. When the economy crashes even harder in the next few years, and if any countries start courting our tech workers (causing a "brain drain"), you can bet your ass that emigration out of the US will be forbidden.

    24. Re:simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "You know I almost went to work for the NSA, then they found out my parents are married."

    25. Re:simple by jrumney · · Score: 2

      Note also that all these rights apply only to "Freemen". Common serfs were granted no rights by the Magna Carta.

    26. Re:simple by secondhand_Buddah · · Score: 2

      You are 100% correct. Everything Hitler and his regime did was legal - pretty much like everything the US government is doing is legal.

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    27. Re:simple by 1s44c · · Score: 2

      Sorry, I do not see the machine gun nests set up around the American border with the intent to KEEP PEOPLE IN
      Until that happens, I have little cause to believe your NSA=Stasi story

      Google for 'concentration camps in America', there are photos and videos of massive fully manned camps with fences designed to keep people in, not out. These camps are seemingly ready to be used yet empty and they are not part of the prison system.

      Also there are enough government owned weapons in the US to setup gun nests all over the place at very short notice.

    28. Re:simple by LoRdTAW · · Score: 2

      Like another poster said you joined the Stasi to be shielded from it.

      One of my close friends is Russian and grew up in communist Russia until the USSR fell. One thing he was proud of was the fact that his grandfather was a colonel in the KGB. His father was a loser and his mother divorced him shortly after she gave birth. My friend an only child and his mother single would have grown up poor as shit back then. But his grandfather (mother's father) made sure she had an education, job in the government as an english translator and nice apartment in the Moscow city center, blocks from the Kremlin. That KGB position protected his family not only from government persecution but also gave them a better life.

  2. Nice try NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    We won't help you cover your asses for the future. It's time to clean house.

    1. Re:Nice try NSA by intermodal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That was certainly an issue. If we're talking Snowden-style, the best deterrent is to actually conduct your operations within the law and within the boundaries of ethical behaviour. Snowden wouldn't have had anything to leak if the government were operating within the legitimate bounds of the constitution.

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    2. Re:Nice try NSA by MozeeToby · · Score: 4, Informative

      The NSA doesn't need help, all they would have had to do is follow their own procedures and the leak would have been greatly reduced. There's no excuse for having active USB ports on a machine that is handling top secret documents. Nor is there any excuse for giving someone access to more classified documents than they need to do their jobs, a system admin needs approximately zero access to the actual contents of the actual documents.

    3. Re:Nice try NSA by Gr8Apes · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Congress can make laws that are illegal - that's why we have the Supreme Court. If Congress creates laws, but they're 'secret" and no one gets to see them, and they're acted upon by other "secret" people, who supposedly report back to a congressional oversight group - but they lie.... and the courts never see any of this... I think we have what's called a dictatorship in the making.

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    4. Re:Nice try NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can't legalize unconstitutional activity with legislation. Either amend it to allow what you think is necessary, or scale back your concept of necessity. There are no alternatives.

    5. Re:Nice try NSA by Moof123 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm going to fail Godwin's law off the bat here, but remember that Hitler was lawfully elected and his SS all worked within the law. The letter of the law can twisted and re-written to make torture "legal", but that does not mean that it is OK since it is legal. The fact that "enhanced interrogation", and now "enhanced observation" is legal and was known to congress should be MUCH scarier than if it came out that the NSA was breaking the law without congressional oversight.

    6. Re:Nice try NSA by Grog6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I lost mod points to post this, but this is the only use I've ever seen in 20+ years of internet, where Godwin did not apply.

      We are ruled by an organization akin to the Gestapo.

      There are Secret rules, secret Courts, and the Judges aren't allowed to comment, and have never ruled against the State.

      I still remember when America Didn't Torture People; everyone responsible should be hanged.

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    7. Re:Nice try NSA by abridgedslashdotuser · · Score: 2

      ...but remember that Hitler was lawfully elected and his SS all worked within the law.

      Not really because the SS was part of the SA until 1934 and they never worked within the law because they were used to battle other parties and to kill certain people who were in their way. There was nothing legal about that.And Hitler way of getting elected was, to block everything in the Reichstag and force new elections as often as possible to get more votes and when his seizure of power started, he didn't had a majority he threatened the conservative, the national conservatives and the liberal parties to vote for the Enabling Act of 1933. Only the social democrats had the balls to vote against it while the communist and socialist party members were already on the run because they were hunted by the SA and SS and were fighting for there lives. It's not as legal as it looks even if you just zoom a little bit in on it.

  3. Nice try NSA by stewsters · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about try not to do anything you would be embarrassed by if it leaked? Not ignoring the 4th Amendment is a good start.

  4. Be sure to choose the lowest bidder by attemptedgoalie · · Score: 4, Funny

    That always ensures quality.

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  5. Lesson Number One..... by segedunum · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't piss off the sys admin.

    1. Re:Lesson Number One..... by ImdatS · · Score: 2

      Not necessarily. The admin does not need to have access to the content of classified material. Why wasn't it encrypted? Encryption should be usually, in such a situation as that of the NSA, at least two-key or three-key encryption, especially for highly classified data, you need at least two-key encryption that guarantees that you must have two people to de-crypt it.

      It is fine to have an administrator access to the file, especially in cases where the file needs to be restored in cases where it was lost. But the admin does not need to access the *contents* of the file. Why not just encrypt end checksum it so that in case it is lost, it can be retrieved, checked against the checksum WITHOUT having to know the content?

      Also, any sane system in such an environment such as the NSA should have full access protocols, logged at least with three backups and automated access-pattern analysis and reporting. In an NSA-environment, I would rather have *more* false positives and than the other way around in case an alert goes off.

      Not to say I condone what the NSA did - definitely not and in my view it is not only unconstitutional and illegal (except, obviously, the foreign surveillance, which seems not illegal) but it is also completely immoral and unethical.

      But regardless: In such an environment, I would not only triple-encrypt but also log every access, failed or otherwise, and have automatic access-pattern analysis software running all the time. Especially when I have new temps or employees, I wouldn't even allow them access to "real" data for the first 3-6 months, using a TrustedOS with fake-access layers. Apart from that, I would want an OS that also prohibits copying of any data to any untrusted device... well, you get the gist.

  6. Don't be dicks, you'll get less whistleblowers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obeying your country's constitution and not operating for the sole benefit of oligarchs and barons of commerce would go a long way towards limiting whistleblowing activity.

    If you want to go the opposite direction, I guess you could lock up your employees in a bunker and hold their families hostage.

  7. He shouldn't have been able to access the data by rollingcalf · · Score: 2

    Access to secret data and documents should be on a need-to-know basis, or a practical approximation of it. It's clear that he had access far beyond what he needed to know. If he can't get at the sensitive documents in the first place he can't copy them to USB or use his cellphone to take pictures of them or upload them to his Wikileaks partners.

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    1. Re:He shouldn't have been able to access the data by grantspassalan · · Score: 2

      If things are done and perhaps this should be as you suggest, all it does is shift the responsibility to other human beings. At some point human beings have to have access to restricted, classified data no matter how many times you've encrypted it. Data security is in the end a human problem and there is no amount of technology that can get around that in all of eternity. Somebody has to be trusted with the secret Coke recipe.

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  8. Nice Try by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nice try, NSA.

  9. Limit access by Xargle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Have separation between levels of security and have fewer & fewer admins working on them as you go up the chain. Use the old established and trusted guys at the top. Don't have thousands of people (particularly contractors) crawling all over the most sensitive data. Seems obvious really. Look at the amount of data *Private* Bradley Manning got his hands on. It's like NSA & Govt just leave the barn doors open and hope the fear of prosecution will prevent the bad thing from happening.

  10. Boom, problem solved. by Sperbels · · Score: 2

    Explosive collars.

  11. Stay legal? by mike449 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about not doing illegal things in the first place?
    A lot of motivation for insiders to disclose the "sensitive" information would go away.

  12. Does it matter if there's only one bid by rsborg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That always ensures quality.

    With our recent innovation of no-bid contracts (well, there's one bid - from the crony that's been hand-selected by the corrupt government department), you get all the benefits of outsourced work along with the quality of a supplier with a monopoly for your project(s).

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  13. Not happening by Khyber · · Score: 2

    Man can make it, man can break it, it's that simple.

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  14. No one solution to this... by mlts · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is an age old problem. It partially requires people skills, and it requires technology. A couple ideas:

    1: First thing is compartmentalize. One person shouldn't have access to all the goodies.

    2: USB devices are easy to control. I can push a GPO on Windows that blocks writing to any USB flash drive, or just locks out access completely so someone can't hook up their iPod Touch, run iTunes and copy files that way. Third party programs can offer this functionality as well. Of course, there are always BIOS locks. If one doesn't care about reselling machines, snipping wires and epoxy blobs in the USB ports will finish the job.

    There are other devices and ports too. Firewire, Thunderbolt, and even PCIe cards can be hazardous. Don't forget the humble old CD-ROM burner in most machines.

    3: Watch data and its access. If a Windows admin suddenly is slurping down everything in the accounting directory, and it isn't a backup utility doing this, then someone should be notified.

    4: I normally dislike DRM, but I have used an IRM/RMS server in house for protecting files. That way, if someone slurps off a Word document, it works fine if running on my machine, but unless they saved it to another format, it will be encrypted on their end. I've used Microsoft's RMS for about ten years now for personal items, and it does a decent job as a secondary layer, especially when coupled with some other encryption.

    5: Get a solution that can make heads/tails over audit logs. Splunk is nice (though expensive.)

    6: Add documents that are normally not accessed, but if they are, they immediately trigger an alert from the solution mentioned in #5. That way, if someone is doing a mass copy of files, someone knows. Most likely it is part of the job, but it is wise to have a couple tripwires.

    7: Spend your time and do background checks that work. Checking for felonies, yes. Demanding usernames/passwords to Facebook for ongoing monitoring 24/7, no.

    8: Finally, morale. A company that always threatens its developers with offshoring, and has low morale will have far more security issues than one that at least knows how to treat people with some modicum of respect.

    1. Re:No one solution to this... by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Yes hiring has always been the key to past quality at the GCHQ and NSA.
      The person has their life story looked at:
      The parents get interviewed, the primary school teachers, high school teachers, college friends, close family, extended family. Dusty small towns, hours driving until the person passes or an interview gets interesting. You do the same for the family of the person.
      What happened in the USA over the past ~10 years? They seem to have caught the 1930's English problem - too fast, a system (education, family name, political connections, boss) can totally vouch for any persons character.
      The US needed cloud experts, translators, black site operators- with a well connected boss offering to vouch for a persons character after a digital file search over a few US databases.
      Once in the system the person has to be cared for, advancement offered, more education, good pay and be sheltered from the reality of death squads/freedom fighters.
      The US has 10 years of people who where never really cleared, who may have lied about their educational background or have lifestyles that make them very open to any form of long term or short term blackmail.
      What can the US gov do?
      Use mil staff to clear private contractors with higher security clearances than they have? That would get political and favours would be called in for group clearances due to past 'excellence'.
      Use private contractors that are really 'trustworthy' to clear other private contractors? That would get political and favours would be called in for group clearances due to past 'excellence'.
      The UK had internal issues from 1940-1980's due to a lack of vetting. What can the USA do? Stop the cloud projects? Pay off the contractors for 10-20 years work and do basic security for years?
      The US might be trying another trick of on the job clearances. Give the person 'junk', move them around the world a few times and make a few passes, see if they sell out, if not, higher security clearances.
      Finding people tempted by sex or cash will not make up for basic background work.

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  15. Easy - Don't Do Anything Wrong by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

    Thus, you'll have nothing to hide.

    Otherwise, it's a moot point; to paraphrase Mr. Universe, you can't stop the signal, bitch.

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  16. From the technical standpoint by Natales · · Score: 3, Informative
    I'm with most of the posts so far regarding the despicable acts of the NSA, but taking the question more down to the technical realm, it seems obvious to me that security breaches coming from the inside of any organization can be mitigated by a more robust defense in depth methodology like this:

    1. Access to information in a need-to-know basis only using strong enforcement via MAC. Nobody has ALL the information on a specific subject.

    2. All applications are used via virtual desktops accessed from secured, fully managed devices. No access is allowed from unmanaged endpoints of any kind.

    3. If some information is as sensitive as described, then physical security enforcement need to be in place (isolated terminal room for example).

    4. No printing, no emailing, no networking outside the proper security perimeter.

    5. Regular audits and interviews to personnel with access to specific pieces of data.

    You'll have to sacrifice convenience for security in environments that require that.

  17. Same Problem as DRM by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While all the "don't be evil" responses are cathartic and fun, the real issue here is that you can't simultaneously give someone access to data and prevent them from having access to the data. You can make it more difficult to access the data but the price is that it is more difficult to access the data. You can't read minds so intent is not something you can reliably build into the system.

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  18. Its simple really. by Nadaka · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't have morally repugnant and illegal secrets.

  19. Focus on insiders first by swillden · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not really an answer to the question, but good security design should focus on identifying all of the relevant threats (aka a "threat model") and mitigating all of them to the degree that makes sense -- and any good threat model will inevitably identify insider threats as the highest risks most at need of mitigation, because, by definition, insiders have greater opportunities to conduct attacks, and they have roughly the same motives as external attackers.

    If you find that your organization doesn't spend 95+% of its security time, money and effort on foiling insider attacks, it's almost certainly not doing a good job. If it is adequately hardened against insiders it'll be darned near impossible for outsiders.

    My impression of the NSA has always been one of an extremely high degree of competence, so the Snowden leaks surprised me. You can't stop insiders from gaining access to the data they need to do their jobs, of course (though you can often segment job responsibilities to minimize it), but you can and should make it a lot harder for them to get access to other sensitive data, and Snowden was apparently able to get a lot of stuff that wasn't relevant to his responsibilities.

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  20. Simple: by gerardrj · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Stop doing things that seem illegal or immoral to your employees. Stop lying. Stop cheating. Stop cowering behind secret courts.

    As people say about the data collected by the NSA: if you haven't done anything wrong then you have nothing to hide. The NSA was hiding this program because they knew it was wrong.

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  21. Nothing can be done... Nothing by mendax · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No matter how deep a background check goes, no matter how thorough the inquiry is into a person's character, no matter how many interviews are made of friends and family, and no matter how many polygraph tests are performed, if a person is given a position that requires some trust there is always going to be a chance that this person is going to abuse the trust. Psychopaths and sociopaths the the scariest of these people because they have no problem with lying, are good at it because they are usually good at being manipulative, are often very well liked by family and friends, and can lie without end like a baby-kissing politician running for re-election and still pass a polygraph test.

    Perhaps the problem is in the kind of people being sought for these jobs that require great trust. While a person needs to be squeaky clean to get security clearance, perhaps the squeaky clean requirement is causing the government to choose some from the wrong pool of candidates. My experience has been that you will have a better chance of finding an honest man (or woman) by looking at those who have messed up in his or her life, is genuinely repentent, and has demonstrated through years of clean and honest living that he or she is worthy of such great trust. The gratitude that comes from being given this second chance is an incredible motivator in steering a straight and narrow course through life.

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  22. Don't do anti-social anti-democratic things! by davydagger · · Score: 2

    Its as simple as halting creepy anti-social, anti-democratic, and anti-freedom police state activities, lying about them, and justifying it with how much you hate/think lowly of the general population, and how you'll easily get away with it.

    Then mabey the people who work for you won't question your blatant lack of morals.

  23. Re:Its a Sysphian Task by techsoldaten · · Score: 3, Informative

    I agree with this point. It's not impossible to stop leaks, but organizations can change to mitigate the impact one individual can have.

    The thing that is most interesting to me about the Snowden case, as well as the Manning case, is the level of access intelligence communities give to these people. I mean, Manning was able to dump years of diplomatic cables, and Snowden has been able to detail a worldwide architecture of network ops.

    Did they really need to have this much access to information? If their roles were more compartmentalized, these situations would be different.

    I feel the problem with these leaks is a management issue moreso than the acts of individuals. Taking young, principled, intelligent guys and giving them the keys to a trove of information about questionable activities is just not the way to run an organization. The people he reported to should be the ones being indicted over this.

    A solution (without knowing the particulars) would be to spread out access across a range of individuals with specific skill sets in their area and that's it. If you want to train people to be hackers, focus their development on one level of infrastructure and make it impossible for one guy to do this all on his own.

  24. Re:We don't want to prevent them, duh. by techsoldaten · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The question is what you can do to prevent it, not whether or not Snowden is a hero.

    It's an interesting problem on it's own. Imagine the situation in reverse - someone working in IT for an aid organization, beset by government hackers looking for information about political opponents who would kill them. How do you prevent someone from leaking information of a completely non-criminal nature to forces who mean to do them harm?

    One of the problems with disclosures, and why they are so divisive, is that they expose people's relative values. For everyone who thinks Snowden is a hero, there is someone who things he broke an oath and the government is being completely reasonable.

    It's not worthwhile to judge situations the same way you judge individuals. I work with a lot of NGO where people would get killed if information about their operations is exposed, and one of the big threats is someone handing over documents under duress.

  25. Do it like the GDR? by ImdatS · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Basically, the GDR (former Eastern Germany) had similar problems with their border guards: guards would usually patrol the border in pairs (two guards at any given time). And this is obviously a necessary thing in border patrol.

    But since the government couldn't trust their guards and since there indeed was a possibility that the guards would just jump across the border to Western Germany, they had a brilliant plan: (1) they made sure that each of the guards came from a completely different area of the country, and (2) that they didn't spend too much time with together in order to build trust between them. So, for the case (2), the government decided to create new pairs every week or so... it worked quite successfully.

    Now, the question, obviously, is whether you *want* to be something like the former Eastern German Government.

    I believe there are a lot of ways of protecting data against malicious employees - one being the way the Eastern German Government did (this might be a good solution actually for the NSA). Other ways are making sure that the employees in question can never copy any data by any means, whether it is by blocking USB-ports, not having any drives, not allowing *any* personal devices at all, including no cameras, smartphones, etc. You might even force the people to use a company-provided mobile phone even for their private calls (without snooping into their calls) without cameras, data connection, etc (just calls+sms).

    Lastly, you could consider using a TrustedOS with levels such as B1-B3 or even A1 or Beyond-A1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCSEC

    I knew TISX http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Information_Systems, which had (afaik) the only B2-TOS at that time. It was quite ingenious how it worked...

    1. Re:Do it like the GDR? by Fuzzums · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In addition to what you wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_guards_of_the_inner_German_border

      As a further measure to prevent escapes, the patrol patterns of the Grenztruppen were carefully arranged to reduce any chance of a border guard defecting. Patrols, watchtowers and observation posts were always manned by two or three soldiers at a time. They were not allowed to go out of each other's sight in any circumstances. When changing the guard in watchtowers, they were under orders to enter and exit the buildings in such a way that there were never fewer than two people on the ground. Duty rosters were organised to prevent friends and roommates being assigned to the same patrols. The pairings were switched (though not randomly) to ensure that the same people did not repeatedly carry out duty together. Individual border guards did not know until the start of their shift with whom they would be working that day. If a guard attempted to escape, his colleagues were under instructions to shoot him without hesitation or prior warning.

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  26. What bugs me the most... by RoknrolZombie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think what bugs me the most about these most recent leaks is that the ONLY people surprised by it are the members of the public. The various governments know that they're being watched...mainly because they're doing watching on their own (that they're not supposed to do), that they talk about (which is monitored by other nations), rinse, repeat. Of course, it behooves all of the various countries involved to deny it...they don't want to look like douchbags, after all. But then again, how many of them look "squeaky clean" after the last round of releases that established that they were spying too. Everyone knows they do it, everyone has known that they've been doing it...so why in the fuck is anyone pretending to be surprised?

    On topic, I have two answers for you depending on how your question was intended.

    A1: You don't. You will never stop "leaks" of any sort, because you will inevitably be fooled into trusting the wrong person at some point. Leaks will always happen, even if there's been no wrongdoing (leaks can take the form of corporate secrets, for example).

    A2: If you mean how do we stop leaks like this, as in, leaks about Governments infringing on public rights and acting like utter jagoffs the solution is far far simpler: Stop being jagoffs, stop breaking the law. Hell, that's the answer that WE get, isn't it? "You don't have anything to worry about if you're not breaking the law"...well, if they don't want people to blab about the Gubmint breaking the law, the Gubmint should stop breaking the law and they won't have anything to worry about. Right?

  27. Limit access perhaps? by Fuzzums · · Score: 2

    "According to the report, which scrutinized the approval of security clearances, more than 483,000 government contractors had "top secret" clearance as of last October. On top of that, another 582,000 have "confidential" or "secret" clearance."

    That is... WELL OVER ONE MILLION PEOPLE with access to sensitive information. More or less 1 in every 300 citizens of 'murica.
    If you don't see a potential data breach here, I really don't know what you're looking for.

    Snowden made the information public, but who knows how many others sent information to foreign agencies? With one million people with access I bet data breaches happen quite more often than this one case.

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    1. Re:Limit access perhaps? by Whorhay · · Score: 2

      The gross numbers for people with varying security clearances is a bit of a red herring. For instance unless there is something weird in an enlistees background they automatically are granted a Secret clearance when they finish Basic Training. When I went through there were entire career fields that were tagged for getting Top Secret clearances, even though it might not ever be needed.

      So you end up with tons of people who are in theory certified as being trust worthy but never actually are given any kind of access. Many people are given clearances above what they need just in case their is a spillage from a higher classified system. Even when people do have some access it is not universal access, they might have access to only one system or part of a system.

      Probing for other systems to access is also not trivial. Google can't crawl airgapped networks so finding anything you don't already have an address for would be difficult even should you have access. I don't know about Snowden but Manning actually had authorized access to the stuff he leaked because his job specifically gave him very broad access to a large number of systems.

      In the end a clearance does not automatically translate to access.

  28. Seems simple enough by EmagGeek · · Score: 2

    If you don't want to be publicly embarrassed and humiliated and lose any credibility you have by being exposed as someone who lies, cheats, steals, and violates your Citizens' rights, then don't lie, cheat, steal, and violate your Citizens' rights.

  29. Re:Doesn't address the problem. by amRadioHed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Two months ago Snowden was living in Hawai'i with an attractive girlfriend and a decent salary. How is that more dysfunctional than living in a Russian airport on the run from the US government?

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  30. Re:A Big, Scary Federal Government To Hunt You Dow by grantspassalan · · Score: 2

    No explanation, really. The threat of having your life taken away from you is enough to keep most toeing the line.

    There still are a few, very few for whom integrity and doing the right thing is more valuable than their own life. What do you think the English King would have done to Paul Revere if the king's minions had caught him? What about some of the other early Americans that participated in the revolution? There are still a few people on this earth who will subscribe to the notion of "Give me liberty or give me death". To me it looks like Edward Snowden is one of these people.

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  31. a few ideas by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2

    Here are a few ideas:
    1. Video cameras with 100% coverage of any room with computers with sensitive data. Live monitoring of said cameras.

    2. Securely locked computer cases. Since I haven't seen any computer cases that allow for truly secure padlocks this may require making your own computer cases out of say 1/4" steel and with thick case hardened hasps designed with large padlocks in mind.

    Or alternatively you could design a case by permanently welding the case closed. If something goes wrong inside you simply melt the whole thing down. A custom designed case will also allow you to bury any of the absolutely necessary external connections like for a keyboard and mouse inside the locked or welded case. Any data would need to be backed up through the internet or other network connection, which again is buried inside the secure case.

    3. Checkpoints with metal detectors set to their highest sensitivity for all personnel entering or leaving, but this will only work if it is sensitive enough to detect a single microSD card. Strip searches and cavity searches for all departing personnel with access to sensitive data.

    4. You could lock your employees into a secure facility and never allow them to leave. If they try to quit you kill them and melt their body in a large dedicated acid bath.

    Of course this would have to be combined with severing all contact with the outside world. Internet connections or any kind of telephone would be forbidden. Also make certain that no computer has wifi capability and/or make the rooms with the computers with sensitive data into Faraday cages to prevent any wireless data transfer.

    5. A water lock. In order to exit your facility your employees must swim through a tube filled with water. The problem with this is that a microSD card could be protected by wrapping it in plastic or something. You could also use salt water and run a nonlethal current through it.

    6. Do not allow employees anywhere to put a data storage device. Do not allow any clothes or bags of any kind inside. They would store all of their belongings including their clothes in a locker before they entered the facility proper. Combined with cavity searches this could be quite effective even without any of the other measures. To help with employee retention make sure that the searchers are very, very attractive and that sexual preferences are observed at all times.

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  32. Hire married employees w/children. by mveloso · · Score: 2

    Married employees with kids and a mortgage don't have as much leeway to indulge their conscience.

    Sad, but true.

  33. I support the NSA's collection and leaking! by xQx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've given this a lot of thought, and compiled a solid rant on the subject.

    My thesis about privacy in 2013 - 2020:

    Lets start with some facts:
    1. The Spy agencies in NZ, UK, USA, Australia and Canada spy on everyone, even their own citizens. 2. The UK copies literally everything that traverses the Internet and keeps it for 3 days for analysis (EVERYTHING!) 3. The USA shares this information (including commercial secrets) with its private enterprises to help them win international business. 4. So many people work for these agencies that from time to time this information is made public. 5. Nobody really cares. 6. The chances of any of these organisations giving up such a valuable source of power are about the same as global nuclear disarmament 7. It’s only a matter of time until the local police have access to all this information. 8 . In 2001, as sysadmin of BSSC I could read the email of every teacher and every student at that school, without leaving a trace of evidence, nor with any fear of punishment for wrongdoing.

    So, I assert: You have no privacy online. You never really did. It was only by unspoken rule of sysadmins that we let you have the illusion of privacy. Ed Snowden betrayed sysadmins.

    Strangely, Google poise to release the most important advancement toward our goal of total access to information - a video camera strapped to every second person’s head (Google Glass), and people are up in arms (9) and so are the governments best poised to take advantage! (10).
    I think we’ve got it all wrong. Let’s stop bitching about this rampant surveillance and embrace it.

    Let’s get our spy agencies to make everything they’ve got available to everyone! Let’s mandate that every Google glass camera must be on all the time, every phone must have its microphone on all the time, every GPS recording its location and all this content uploading to the cloud!

    Information WANTS to be free! EVERYONE should have access to EVERYTHING!

    Then it will hardly be accessed, because if Facebook status updates have proven anything it’s that it’s no fun spying on all your friends if all they do all day is play Farmville.

    Finally, these civil libertarians realise that nobody really cares about them, or their “right to privacy”, and we will be able to make the most out of google glass (11).

    Sources:
    1. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/interview-with-whistleblower-edward-snowden-on-global-spying-a-910006.html
    2. http://mashable.com/2013/06/21/gchq-spy-agency-taps-global-internet/
    3. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-14/u-s-agencies-said-to-swap-data-with-thousands-of-firms.html
    4. Bradley Manning, Edward Snowden
    5. http://www.news.com.au/
    6. http://io9.com/5969204/could-nuclear-disarmament-actually-increase-our-chance-of-an-apocalypse
    7. “if the information is there, it’s already collected, why not use it to prosecute the crime? Why are you protecting the guilty? If you’re innocent you will want us to use this information to exonerate you.”
    8. I read your email. Get over it.
    9. http://www.policymic.com/articles/29585/3-new-ways-google-glass-invades-your-privacy
    10. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57591975-93/google-glass-privacy-concerns-persist-in-congress/
    11.

    1. Re:I support the NSA's collection and leaking! by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 2

      Big gaping hole in your thesis: This information will^H^H^H is already being sifted and sorted to isolate any political dissent, anyone complaining, oppressed or disadvantaged enough by the status quo will no longer be able to effect political change. You know, protesting little things like economies run for the benefit of the financial industry rather than for the people. If you look like your a ringleader youll be^H^H^H^H^H^H are picked up/targeted/dirt files fabricated around your life story even before your rally messages even hits anyone inbox.

    2. Re:I support the NSA's collection and leaking! by xQx · · Score: 2

      Fair point. Momentum is such that nobody is really going to change this natural progression towards the spy agencies having complete interception and analysis capabilities, and an implicit ability to be able to operate outside the law.

      The only big questions I have are: how long until the list of authorized users erodes to the point that basically every law enforcement officer, powerful corporation and organized crime syndicate has access to this treasure trove of information, and how do innovations like Google Glass, which has the potential to turn every set of eyes into a broadcasting video camera affect the situation.

  34. The final answer by evilviper · · Score: 2

    What do you think the best way is to lock down a system against malicious insiders?

    Ripley: I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

    http://nukeitfromorbit.com/

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  35. knowledge and evidence by Tom · · Score: 2

    As someone else already said: You can not give someone access to data while not giving them access to data.

    What you can make a hell of a lot more difficult is the ability to get the data out in any other way than inside someone's head.

    At the extreme range, allow people to enter and exit the building only naked, changing into work-clothes on the inside that never leave the building. Don't forget cavity searches.

    Oh, wait - you were planning to run an office, not a prison? That's gonna make things a little more tricky as human beings tend to be picky about archaic things like dignity.

    The non-bullshit answer is basically this: The freaking NSA fucked this one up. If you really think a random collection of hints on /. is going to give you a better shot, you need to be fired.

    Update your security policy regularily and monitor compliance. Do a good job. Stop worrying about the Snowdens of this world, because there's like one every decade. But users looking for shortcuts, managers wanting a dial-in connection from home, admins leaving the firewall wide open after a change, developers using test-configurations in live, all these things are happening every day. Worry about them.

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  36. Solved problem in computer science, not budgeting by davecb · · Score: 2

    The U.S. military addressed all the problems except covert channels (now called DLP) in the Orange Book, back in 1985, the days of the dinosaurs and mainframes.

    Alas, it was relatively hard to admin, requiring two people to do almost anything, and proving the completeness and sufficiency of the policies was exceedingly hard using the techniques of the day. The good thing was it was easy to use such a system. I used Multics, which was running at B2 and didn't even know security was tight. I later took the week course on how to admin Trusted Solaris and admined a couple of B1 machines. My brain tended to bleed out my ears, I kept running out of audit disk until I turned audit down to a week and I badly broke the two-person rule.

    I suspect the difficulty and cost of running secure systems, and the cost of having two-person signoffs in computing as well as accounting killed the governments' desire to be reasonably secure against insiders.

    The mechanisms to implement MAC and much of the rest still exist in the NSA security-enhanced Linux, but the work of creating categories and levels to keep users out of each other's pockets, and managing them and the sysadmins so they can't conspire to sneak data out is too expensive for any organization to shoulder as a cost, even the NSA.

    --dave

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