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Spanish Chatbot Hunts For Pedophiles

cylonlover writes "For a number of years now, police forces around the world have enlisted officers to pose as kids in online chat rooms, in an attempt to draw out pedophiles and track them down. Researchers at Spain's University of Deusto are now hoping to free those cops up for other duties, and to catch more offenders, via a chatbot that they've created. Its name is Negobot, and it plays the part of a 14 year-old girl." (Read the original source, in Spanish).

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  1. wonderful idea! by Tastecicles · · Score: 3, Funny

    What could possibly go wrong?

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    1. Re:wonderful idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      What happens if two chatbots start chatting each other up? Do they both get arrested?

    2. Re:wonderful idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      What happens if two chatbots start chatting each other up? Do they both get arrested?

      Only if they send each other photos of their source code.

    3. Re:wonderful idea! by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 3, Funny

      What could possibly go wrong?

      Are such questions on your mind often?

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    4. Re:wonderful idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      What happens if two chatbots start chatting each other up? Do they both get arrested?

      Only if they send each other photos of their source code.

      Uncommented source code.

    5. Re:wonderful idea! by Tastecicles · · Score: 3, Insightful

      GOTO statements make me wet.

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    6. Re:wonderful idea! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      GOTO statements make me wet.

      Seize the opportunity, reprogram your sprinkler system in Haskell!

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    7. Re:wonderful idea! by Tastecicles · · Score: 2

      Giggity!

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    8. Re:wonderful idea! by Megane · · Score: 2

      I think you mean if they send each other their raw repository dumps. gig-git-y

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    9. Re:wonderful idea! by operagost · · Score: 2

      Wait until you try Intercal's version.

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    10. Re:wonderful idea! by Beorytis · · Score: 2

      What happens if two chatbots start chatting each other up?

      Probably something like two Siris conversing, a.k.a. That howling void of thoughtlessness beneath .

    11. Re:wonderful idea! by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 2

      What happens if two chatbots start chatting each other up? Do they both get arrested?

      One of my favorite "bots" was a reverse bot. It would troll on AIM, pretending to be a 16 yr old girl, usually very quickly getting a horny teen male. Then it would it a second time, netting a second horny teen male. Then it would pair them up, both assuming they're talking to a girl.. Then after some awkward teen male sexting (before it was a term) it wasn't too long until "FAGGGGG" was shouted and heterosexuality challenged.

      Then there's AOLiza. which hooked Eliza to AIM. Sadly, the chats have been taken down, some were pretty good.

    12. Re:wonderful idea! by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      From TFA:

      Should they start exhibiting “suspicious behavior,” such as not caring about the girl’s age or asking her for personal information

      "Suspicious behaviour" is defined as either: (A) Asking a girls' age or (B) not asking a girl's age.
      Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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  2. Hey, great.... finally an AI... by Tanuki64 · · Score: 3

    ...which passes the Turing test.

    1. Re:Hey, great.... finally an AI... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not to mention the fact that a 14 year old girl would have absolutely no chance of passing the Turing test.

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    2. Re:Hey, great.... finally an AI... by xaxa · · Score: 4, Informative

      I knew I'd read somewhere about Spain's age of consent being 12.

      It turns out they raised it to 16 just a few weeks ago: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/10089339/Spain-to-raise-age-of-consent-from-13-to-16.html

      Hopefully they'll be more careful about the law than is the case in the UK -- where the age of consent is 16, but the official guidance to the police is not to worry about consensual relationships between similarly-aged teenagers below that. It's better to have that in the law, like in Germany (where, AIUI, lower ages are permitted so long as there's not too much age difference).

    3. Re:Hey, great.... finally an AI... by Damnshock · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's still 13 legally. What you are refering is a proposal to change it.

      If aproved, it can show up curious situations when you can legallyl get married at the age of 12 and you won't be able to have sex until you are 16? (in case you married an older and adult partner)

    4. Re:Hey, great.... finally an AI... by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This making it even more bizarre that this bot would pretend to be above Spain's legal age of consent. What am I missing?

      Everything about this story is wrong:

      • The notion that being attracted to a 14-year-old girl (almost invariably post-pubescent) qualifies as pedophilia is completely absurd. There is not a straight adult male alive who, when faced with a sufficiently attractive and mature-looking 14-year-old, would not find her attractive. Thus, some degree of attraction to teenagers is normal male behavior. Mind you, most adults have the good sense not to jump in bed with them, but that doesn't mean the attraction isn't there. Anyone who says otherwise is kidding himself/herself.
      • A bot (or a LEO) seeking out people and enticing them in the hopes that one of them will say "Okay, she's hot and worth the risk of jail" is a legally dubious action and is completely contrary to the stated goal of protecting kids. I'd wager that 99.999% of the people entrapped by such a bot would never go near any true kids (defined as pre-pubescent), period, because there is zero correlation between being attracted to teens and being attracted to kids. And most of those folks would not go out of their way to hit on a 14-year-old IRL, either. Given that most 14-year-old girls do not make it a point to trick adult males into having sex with them, this means that those adult males are doing something that they almost certainly (statistically) would not otherwise have done were it not for law enforcement involvement, which meets the strictest definition of entrapment as far as I can tell. But creating such a bot in a country when the act they're trolling for isn't even illegal? Priceless.

      I mean, this whole concept borders on the same level of s**t-for-brains stupid as those people who troll boards trying to stir people up to become terrorists and then put them in jail under the premise that if law enforcement could get them into that state, so could real terrorists. But the thing is, unless those real terrorists had a high probability of doing so, you're really just putting people in jail for being gullible, not for actually harboring any terrorist tendencies.

      At this point, our world is rapidly verging on jailing people for thoughtcrime—crimethink, if you will. Are we really to the point where the goal is to lock up everyone who isn't of above-average intelligence with near-godlike self control? Is that actually supposed to make our kids safer in some bizarro universe? Could someone please explain to me why the people who came up with this bot should not be jailed themselves as an example to others who would abuse their power?

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    5. Re:Hey, great.... finally an AI... by girlintraining · · Score: 2

      Not to mention the fact that a 14 year old girl would have absolutely no chance of passing the Turing test.

      The problem though is that pedophiles are experienced and know how to evade traps. They're like cochroaches -- for every one you find, there's fifty more you don't. And considering that western society likes to lock these people up and let them be raped and murdered, instead of studying what the glitch in their wetware is to devise a treatment, or treating their prisoners with compassion... there is a major incentive to not come forward if you're one of the afflicted... and being so afflicted... still more incentive to act out on the impulses.

      A pedophile is therefore completely devoted to the task at hand. They will find out how to detect chat bots, and quickly too. Ask about personal history, how they feel about family members... things that a database of responses and algorithms can't simply create on demand and be believable. Most of our brains are devoted to social interaction -- trying to fool it is a frustratingly complex task.

      You may catch the 'weak' ones, the low hanging fruit... but all you've done then is strengthen the remaining community... just like overuse of antibiotics. If bacteria can evolve, so can people. This chatbot is a novel approach... but it won't fix the problem. The only thing that'll fix the problem, is fixing the people with the problem -- by figuring out what causes pedophilia, and treating it.

      And while we're at it, it might not be a bad idea to start treating our prisoners and mentally ill (largely the same group, if you look at the numbers) with compassion instead of clinging to primitive caveman ethics about needing vengance and going on at length about morality. At the end of the day... if you can't stomach killing people yourself, then you need to figure out how to live with them. And if you can stomach it... you may belong in with them, instead of out here with the rest of us.

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  3. Re:What does "porque cae agua jaja" mean? by Thanshin · · Score: 3, Funny

    http://translate.google.com/

    Let me present you this new technology. It's called "The Internet". You can use it to look for answers to all your questions*.

    *: For a fully immersive experience, all your questions should start with "nude pics of "

  4. Re:So they're breaking young boys hearts.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...and the spanish girls will have to start being even more slutty to compete with the slutbots.

    But your honor, I was NOT engaging in pedophile behavior! See, I am really into sex bots! I KNEW it was a script and I get off on them!'

  5. 14 years would be legal age in Germany.... by yooy · · Score: 5, Informative

    14 years would be legal age in Germany.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe And if I can trust the link, it is 13 in Spain...

  6. 14 year old? by Zedrick · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How will the bot catch pedophiles if it pretends to be a 14 year old girls? Pedophiles won't be very interested, instead it might, in best/worst case, attract hebephiles. Or just normal teenage boys.

  7. Spain? by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Age of consent in Spain is 13 though they plan to raise it. Seems like a 14 year old is an odd choice to emulate for that reason.

    That said, an AI capable of simulating a 14 year old girl? Hard to imagine they could even simulate a 5 year old successfully. This doesn't seem like a good use of a universities resources.

  8. Re:Meh by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Pity only a small fraction of pedophiles are out looking on the internet. That and the fact that if the penalties are higher, people will do more to hide their crimes, like instead of threatening their victims, they'll lock them up in a basement, or fit them with some cement shoes for a quick dip in the local river.

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  9. a/s/l? by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    version/language/repository?

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  10. Only usable in some jurisdictions by johanw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Fortunately, entrapment is illegal in a lot of countries. And "intent" is not always what counts. I read that that in The Netherlands someone who was having sexually oriented chats with a police officer posing as a child was cleared in court. The judge said that because the police officer was over 18 he did nothing illegal, and that he may have intended something illegal didn't make it so.

    To make the car comparison: if I intend to drive too fast and believe I do so dus to a defective meter but in fact I am driving at a legal speed I can't get a ticket.

    1. Re:Only usable in some jurisdictions by Xest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is what I was wondering, doesn't this sort of thing risk giving real criminals an excuse too?

      If intent is relevant then with the prevalence of police officers posing in this manner and now bots, couldn't a real criminal just claim "I assumed nowadays that they were all just chatbots or above age of consent officers" if caught chatting to someone who is underage?

      It seems to be a dangerous precedent to set. If the police have to prove intent how can they prove he didn't now believe it was a bot or an officer and hence not illegal?

  11. Re:Meh by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2

    I think the pedo laws are completely out of hand, but the idea that severe penalties will cause molesters to kill their victims is bogus. The kind of person who murders is already sociopathic enough that any amount of penalty is going to be enough to justify murdering their victim. Even if there was absolutely no legal penalty they would still have to worry about parents going vigilante on them.

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  12. Should of called it "Joshua"! by SGDarkKnight · · Score: 2

    Shall we play a game?

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  13. Spanish Police APB by rlp · · Score: 2

    Spanish police have an APB out for suspects named 'Eliza', 'Perry', and 'A.L.I.C.E.'

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  14. Re:Oh great... by DarkRat · · Score: 3, Funny

    so are you ;)

  15. Re:Double edged sword by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

    If they make the bot good enough it'll become too hard to tell a kid from a bot with enough certainty for a pedo to be sure they're not walking into a police trap by meeting with the kid...in which case, mission accomplished.

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  16. Re:What does "porque cae agua jaja" mean? by AliasBackslash · · Score: 2

    "Because water falls haha"
    I can't imagine what the question that prompted that answer was and given the topic I'm not sure I want to know.
    The previous chat line just says "Know why it seems that way?"

  17. If it's posing as a 14 year old, by middlehead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it's posing as a 14 year old, they're not targeting pedophiles.

  18. mission self-defeating by davidwr · · Score: 2

    "If they make the bot good enough it'll become too hard to tell a bot from a kid with enough certainty for a botophile to be sure they are not chatting with an actual 14 year old, in which case the poor botophile will be arrested for doing something he had no intention of doing, namely, chatting up an underaged human being."

    There, fixed that for you.

    Botophile: Someone who loves to get it on with bots.

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  19. Re:So they're breaking young boys hearts.. by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't know but as somebody who used to run a chatroom dedicated to fricking computer repair i can tell you that if the other chat rooms see/saw what i did what those cops are doing is bullshit and how it can't be entrapment? Fuck if I know. I know I ended up having to threaten harassment charges on a couple of cops to get them to finally STFU with that shit.

    I mean here I am,running a chat with such "sexy" titles as "Can't install graphics driver" and "Need help bad I keep BSODing" and while me and a couple of the mods would be trying to walk some poor guy that has been bashing his head against the wall trying to get something fixed and suddenly here would come one of those fuckheads, just spewing filthy shit trying to get somebody to talk to them. By the end there i was getting seriously fucking PISSED, cursing the assholes after pointing out for the hundredth time "This isn't that kind of chat asshole, go peddle your "catch a predator" bullshit somewhere else porky".

    So if the shit they are doing is the same as what i saw they can fuck right off, they push that shit even in places where it has no damned business and they will harass the hell out of guys to try to get them to talk, really sleazy shit too.

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  20. Re:So they're breaking young boys hearts.. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    No law was actually broken.

    I know nothing about Spanish law, but if it is anything like American law, then there is no requirement that a real child, or even a second person, be involved. If, while alone in a locked room, you are turned on by a drawing of some stick-figures that could be perceived as under-age children, then you are breaking the law.

  21. Re:So they're breaking young boys hearts.. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    Yes, but betcha I know how they will get around that: As the chatbot homes in a suspect, it will offer a Google Map link to a meeting place. Unbeknownst to the suspect, the "I am here" pointer on the image will be a special copyrighted version of the regular map pin. Bingo - much heavier penalties than for mere child rape.