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Sound Engineer and Entrepreneur Amar Bose Dead At 83

countach44 writes with the news that Amar Bose, founder of the electronics company that bears his name, has died at age 83. "Dr. Bose founded Bose Corporation almost 50 years ago with a set of guiding principles centered on research and innovation. That focus has never changed, and never will," said Bob Maresca, president of Bose Corporation. "Bose Corporation will remain privately held, and stay true to Dr. Bose's ideals. We are as committed to this as he was to us. Today and every day going forward, our hearts are with Dr. Bose; and we will do everything we can to make him proud of the company he built." The slideshow that accompanies the MIT posting shows some of his sound-related inventions over the years.

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  1. Eh by Desler · · Score: 5, Funny

    No highs. No lows. It's Bose.

    1. Re:Eh by rei_slashdot · · Score: 5, Funny

      BOSE: Buy Other Speaker Equipment

    2. Re:Eh by rwa2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Oh yay, all of the audiophiles will be squirming out of the woodwork on this one :D

      I really like my triport headphones, and despite having a bunch of other gear, the little Companion II speakers keep migrating around the house after my wife's laptop or one of the tablets. Now I didn't pay actual money for them, I got them both from trading in rewards points on credit cards or from work or crap like that back before I figured out how to redeem them for gift cards or something more liquid. But they are noticeably better than most of the other junk headphones / earbuds / speakers I have. I can pick out more details in my music, and bass seldom hits the weary resonant monotone drone that comes out of most other speakers I've played with.

      The headphones are comfortable since they cup your skull around your earlobes. The speakers are relatively compact for the sound that comes out of them and have 2 sets of RCA inputs. They start to sound a bit muddy when you turn them all the way up, but we never really need to.

      Yes, Bose crap is probably overpriced, but it certainly seems as if some science and engineering and testing went into them, compared to other crap.
      Yeah, I'm not an audiophile. And I don't really want to become one either.

    3. Re:Eh by icebike · · Score: 2

      If there's anything that compares at all to the QuietComforts at half the price, I'd love to hear about it!

      True.
      That is one best products Bose makes.

      I didn't say they were the best headphones, but they are plenty good enough for most listening.
      And they take so much background noise out you can actually hear what you are listening to.
      I sometimes use them just for that purpose without listening to anything.

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    4. Re:Eh by ATMAvatar · · Score: 3, Informative
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    5. Re:Eh by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

      The advantage of 1 ohm speakers in car stereo is that it's possible to get almost 100 watts from a car's traditional 14 volts (when charging). 4 ohm speakers are limited to 25 watts. This saves the money of building a boosting power supply if more than 25 watts per speaker is desired.

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    6. Re:Eh by schnell · · Score: 2

      Audiophiles? Spending half the price of what Bose charges for better quality makes one an audiophile?

      I am not an "audiophile." Not even close, and I do gauche things like listen to MP3s (gasp). That being said, I have read all about how awful Bose speakers are in this thread, but I have not seen anybody offer an answer to this question:

      What are the speakers that are much better than Bose and/or cheaper? I'm not trying to defend Bose, I just don't know much about "high end" audio gear and I'm curious.

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    7. Re:Eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Klipsch, Def Tech, Infinity, B&W (Bowers & Wilkins -- the lower end stuff is cheaper but they get much more expensive), Martin Logan, Energy... The list really goes on but that's a good start off the top of my head.

    8. Re:Eh by StormUP · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Almost anything at the same price point is going to be better. If you want better AND cheaper, it is a bit harder, but very easily doable. Bose himself may have created some great products in his day, but the company for the last 20 years or so has mostly been putting out overpriced crap. Personally, I just use Polk monitor 40's in for my side and rear speakers in my surround setup. I think they sound better than Bose and it cost me something like $200 for 2 pairs. My left and right mains though are Poly Natalia's I built. Link to the design: http://blackdahlia.com/the_poly_natalia__a_diy_loudsp.htm The Poly Natalia's are pretty amazing even compared to my Ultimate Ears Triple Fi 10 headphones (retail $400, but they were available for $100 about once a year when in production)

    9. Re:Eh by russbutton · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm not sure at what level you think "hyper-expensive" is. The top end Bose loudspeaker, the 901, is only about $1400/pair, which is pretty pedestrian these days. To me you'd have to drop $20,000 or more to begin to get into what I think is "hyper-expensive". Certainly you can drop $50,000 to $100,000 to $200,000 on a two-channel system without much trouble. That's where I put the phrase, "hyper-expensive"

      I'm an Old School, two channel audiophile. To me the word "audiophile" is someone who loves listening to music in such a way that it attempts to approximate the original live performance. This is really only relevant to acoustic music.

      Sadly to many others, the word "audiophile" means someone who is anal-retentive to the max and spends insane amounts of money on cables, room treatments and a lot of other wacky stuff.

      I'm a big band trumpet player and my wife is a professional violinist, so acoustic music is what we listen to. I love hearing the life-like quality a good recording can bring into my home. I've probably got about $6,000 total into my audio rig and feel that it sounds as good as any other system I've ever heard, at *any* price. Oh, and I use 14 gauge zip cord for speaker wire.

      If you want to hear truly extreme hi-end sound without having to sell your wife and children into slavery, check out the Linkwitz Orion system at:

      http://www.linkwitzlab.com/orion_challenge.htm

      Could you get sound this good with the top end Bose stuff? Not a chance. Not even close. The Bose 901 was a screwball idea when it was new, but it was fun.

      But if you really want to ruin your life, go hear a Linkwitz Orion rig. Three dimensional, detailed, life-like and a great pleasure.

    10. Re:Eh by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      There are lots of products that sound "better" than Bose for a lot less money, depending on your definition of "better".

      Bose do not aim to accurately reproduce the sound. They aim to sound good to people who don't care about accuracy, which is probably most people. I'm mostly into headphones and my equipment doesn't have any a tone control on, no equalizer or other processing. Of course I still get fantastic bass on some tracks, but that's because that was recorded and I prefer it because otherwise all music sounds the same.

      A track recorded in the 70s is bound to sound different to one recorded in the 80s or 90s unless you have a lot of processing, which is what Bose have. A lot of Sony gear seems to be similar. Some people like it, some people don't.

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  2. Marketing company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Bose had "sound-related inventions"? I thought they were just marketeers with crappy paper cone speakers.

    1. Re:Marketing company by NJRoadfan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A small read from another speaker manufacturer about technology and marketing. It addresses the paper cone myth.: http://www.humanspeakers.com/cgi-bin/page.pl?page=human/oldnews.txt

      While I wasn't really a fan of BOSE's newer products (their WaveRadios have a high failure rate due to shoddy components and the amps in an OEM BOSE car stereo I had failed), the older 70s stuff was fairly decent. I do give them credit for building stuff in the USA long after others have moved overseas. I think the only part in that car with the BOSE stereo that was made in the USA were the speakers and amps!

  3. RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    I've yet to like a Bose product, but he obviously made many, many people's life a bit more enjoyable.

    1. Re:RIP by bonehead · · Score: 2

      Their noise cancelling headphones are actually somewhat decent.

      Of course, that's more due to the noise cancellation rather than the sound quality, and the price is at least double what it should be.

  4. TYPO: Centered on marketing and marketing. by rei_slashdot · · Score: 2

    Fixed it for you.

  5. took his class at MIT by soundhack · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Long time ago (Acoustics). It was by far the best class I took as a grad student. He genuinely was not only a great engineer but a great teacher. He showed he movie Stand By Me to the class, and hosted the entire class to a tour of Bose. Most importantly, he was the only professor to really stress that common principles in engineering (lumped parameter model) exist throughout multiple domains, whether electrical, mechanical, or acoustic.

    I really hated my experience at MIT for the most part, but his class was one of the few bright moments and I would like to think I am a better engineer because of him.

    1. Re:took his class at MIT by Reverberant · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The two notable things (other than the quality of teaching) about his class: infinite time is given to take exams (exams started at 7pm and a teaching assistant would stay until the last student left - the record during my tenure was 5:00am, or so I heard) and he provide free Tosci's ice cream during the exam.

      During the Bose factory tours, he showed off Project Sound a decade before it was revealed to the press. And inevitably a student would challenge some of the concepts the Bose company popularized (direct/reflecting, lack of tone controls, etc) and Dr. Bose would gently, but convincingly slap down the student using a blizzard of engineering arguments (rumor has it that Ken Kantor was the only student that could successfully go toe-to-toe with Dr. Bose).

      RIP Dr. Bose.

    2. Re:took his class at MIT by arcite · · Score: 4, Funny

      You sound like a bitter, sad man. Perhaps a pair of quality headphones is what you need.

    3. Re:took his class at MIT by chipschap · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In 1968 I took an introductory circuit theory class from Dr. Bose (I was in the 2nd semester of my freshman year at MIT). It was a fantastic class but far from easy, and Dr. Bose liked to teach in a manner that implied you were as smart as he was. (Few if any of us were.) And I only got a "B" in the class :( The final exam was a killer. The only Bose product I've ever owned over the years was a set of Bose 10.2 speakers. I liked them very much; they made music sound great but they were not accurate. I was running a 16-track studio and while the clients loved the sound, I always had to explain that the speakers were no good for mixing because they seriously overemphasized the bass. My JBL monitors were much better in terms of flat response.

    4. Re:took his class at MIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The two notable things (other than the quality of teaching) about his class: infinite time is given to take exams (exams started at 7pm and a teaching assistant would stay until the last student left - the record during my tenure was 5:00am, or so I heard) and he provide free Tosci's ice cream during the exam.

      During the Bose factory tours, he showed off Project Sound a decade before it was revealed to the press. And inevitably a student would challenge some of the concepts the Bose company popularized (direct/reflecting, lack of tone controls, etc) and Dr. Bose would gently, but convincingly slap down the student using a blizzard of engineering arguments (rumor has it that Ken Kantor was the only student that could successfully go toe-to-toe with Dr. Bose).

      RIP Dr. Bose.

      I'm not going to argue with you on how intelligent or unintelligent Dr. Bose was (undoubtedly he was pretty smart).

      Unfortunately, the products of his company are overpriced shite.

      Bose makes marketing agreements with their retail partners. Notice how Bose has its own exclusive section in any retail electronics store? That's because it's so good, right? Nope, that's because it's part of the agreement Bose reaches with the big box stores like Best Buy in order to limit the customers' ability to compare other equipment with Bose. Bose understood early on that a combination of clever marketing and a slick exterior form-factor would allow the company to charge significantly more than their competitors in the home-theater market.

    5. Re:took his class at MIT by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 2

      So you're saying not only was he a good engineer but apparently a brilliant business man? Uhh, OK I agree then.

    6. Re:took his class at MIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bose understood early on that a combination of clever marketing and a slick exterior form-factor would allow the company to charge significantly more than their competitors in the home-theater market.

      Bose understood that men often want a nice sound system but their wives don't want big hulking speakers in their living room. Bose offers a compromise: a decent (ok, that is questionable too) sound system in a package the wife will accept. They figured out that they could charge big time for that last part.

      They have a new wave TV. The sound quality is obviously not nearly as good as real speakers but it has one A++ benefit: no external speakers. That makes it an easy sell to a wife. And it's still better than using normal TV speakers.

      I'm not a Bose defender, usually, but their products do have a market--people don't buy them just because they think they are best.

  6. Does this mean... by Ogre332 · · Score: 2

    that their prices will go even higher? I don't understand why people think Bose is high end. I get better sound out of iHome speakers.

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  7. The man was an engineer by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The man was an engineer and a good one at that. It's a shame his company was centred around art. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I have a Bang and Olufsen system here for the simple reason that it sounds ok but looks damn spectacular. The biggest problem with Bose the company was their slogan "Better Sound Through Research." The reality is all of their designs sacrificed good sound in the name of artistic design.

    Nothing really innovative has come from the company. The double cube speakers effectively ensure that the room acoustics and design completely wreak any hope of having a proper soundstage, their Accoustimass module is nothing more than a cheap papercone subwoofer which is horn loaded and again prioritises being small over producing good bass, and they seem to be the last to the market with these sound bars which they are trying to sell these days.

    They do have a great set of noise cancelling headphones. They do a better job than any other I have worn. It's just a shame their sound isn't up to scratch and their cost is insane (I can get a set of Sennheiser Reference series headphones for cheaper, and I did).

    None the less Bose the person and his company have done great things. I credit the popularity of his products to the change in style in sound equipment over the past 10 years. HiFi's used to be something we'd hide in cupboards, heat permitting, yet they have now become the centrepiece of many living rooms.

    1. Re:The man was an engineer by Skapare · · Score: 2

      They cost the price that they believe the market will bear enough to maximize their profit.

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  8. Re:RIP(-off artists) by durdur · · Score: 2

    By and large they don't make expensive gear. And as far as I can tell it isn't much worse than the other mass-market stuff it competes against. Their poor reputation among audio buffs is somewhat deserved but IMO mainly because it is cheapo gear and there is some tradeoff of cost and performance, certainly at the part of the cost curve they are operating in.

  9. Re:RIP(-off artists) by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It seems to me the poor reputation is because they charge near-audiophile prices for cheap mass-market gear. You don't see companies like Panasonic getting a bad reputation this way, because they don't do this: they sell cheap mass-market gear, at cheap mass-market prices. It's hard to fault someone for paying low-end prices for a low-end product, as that might be all they can afford, and a lot of mass-market stuff really isn't that bad these days (it has a lot of "bang for your buck").

    It's like paying Aston-Martin prices for a Ford. Car snobs who own Ferraris aren't going to bash people for buying a Kia or a Ford Fiesta, because they know not everyone can afford a Ferrari like them. But if someone somehow convinced a bunch of people to pay Ferrari prices for a car no better than a Fiesta, a lot of people would be bashing that company for that.

  10. Their aviation (pilot) headphones are great by AlexOsadzinski · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've never been a fan of Bose home audio equipment: the whole mall-store marketing schtick and, well, um, the actual sound, were enough to put me off.

    But they launched the first practical and useful noise-cancelling pilot headphones to the civilian population in 1998, after almost 10 years of military sales, and they quickly dominated the market, even at the then-lofty price of $999. They just plain worked, and worked well. Other manufacturers followed, and sometimes beat Bose's performance in later years, usually at about half the price, but there's no denying that they did pioneering, real audio engineering work in this space.

    They were also smart in offering a "panel install" of their proprietary connector into aircraft. If you've owned an aircraft, you'll know that installing anything permamently is (a) expensive and (b) requires a pile of paperwork and (c) you'll never rip it out. The connector eliminated the need for the little battery pack you had to carry around, and provided additional lock-in. Clever. Sucky, but clever.

    The Wave radio that "fills the room with sound" on the other hand. Meh.

  11. One word: by Larry_Dillon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Klipsch

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  12. Sounds like the .... by niftymitch · · Score: 2
    It sounds like the trolls woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

    I have listened to and on occasion bought the big B's products.

    Like anything ---even /. Listen with an educated ear (or read) and make up your own mind.

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  13. Re:Got ride of BOSE in my Murano... by NJRoadfan · · Score: 2

    The head unit was built by GM Delco, at least it was in the 85s. That system was odd in that the speaker grills were co-branded Delco/BOSE. BOSE only made the amplifiers and the speakers in car OEM systems. The head unit was provided by the OEM's supplier of choice with balanced line level outputs (as opposed to amplified speaker terminals) to feed the speaker mounted amps. The speakers themselves were a weird 1ohm design that could only be properly driven with the BOSE amplifiers (which had non-defeatable equalization built in).

  14. 14 gauge zip cord by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's a good, measurable, audible reason you want to use low resistance cables for speakers. Speakers have a resonance frequency. When the membrane is pushed/pulled out of the center the membrane will want to move back to the center. Because of the speed it's traveling, it will overshoot that and there's your resonance. To stop that from happening, you'd ideally want the coil that's attached to the membrane to be "shorted out" on the outside. That way, the electrical energy generated by the coil moving over the magnet will be converted in to heat and the resonance will get dampened. Good amplifiers have a "damping rate" that's high. Essentially, that means they are very good at shorting out the speakers to eliminate resonance. The thing is, speakers themselves have a very low impendance, typically 4-8 Ohms. To effectively dampen out those speakers, you'll need a low resistance, way below 1 Ohms. This resistance is for the entire circuit combined, amplifier, speakers and all the connecting terminals in between. Having speaker cables that add a few tenth of an Ohm to this resonance will make your speakers sound "like someone is banging on a cardboard box" for lows and "a bit like a tin can" for highs. This effect is clearly measurable, and audible and has nothing to do with audiophile subjective arguments.

    Low resistance cable doesn't mean hellishly expensive by itself. You can get good results by keeping your wires short, using as little interconnects as possible and making sure the resistance at the interconnects is as low as possible. Low resistance is achieved by tightly coupling as much surface area as possible. If you have screw type terminals, make sure to tighten them sufficiently. You usually can get affordable 4mm2 Oxygen Free Copper (OFC) wire for a reasonable price at electronics stores. The wire with the fine strands will remain bendable and in theory will give you "better transients". Since audio frequencies don't really get influenced by that I personally think it's not that important, but having cable that will flex will make it a lot easier to put in place and work with. You could spend fortunes on brand cabling, silver cabling, gold plated silver cabling and whatnot, but for any "normal" application, the 4mm2 copper wire is just fine.

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  15. Well, by Kaenneth · · Score: 2

    So much for the lifetime warranty.