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Leaked Letter Shows UK ISPs and Government At War Over Default Filters

An anonymous reader writes, quoting the BBC: "A letter sent to the UK's four leading ISPs from the government has made them very cross indeed. The letter comes from the Department for Education but it sets out a list of demands from Downing Street, with the stated aim of allowing the prime minister to make an announcement shortly. The companies are asked, among other things, for a commitment to fund an 'awareness campaign' for parents. They're not particularly happy about promising cash for what the letter concedes is an 'unknown campaign' but it's the next item on the menu which is the source of most of their anger." That next item is making and marketing Internet censorship filters as "default-on" rather than "active choice": "'It sounds like a good idea until you think it through,' said one industry source. 'There are three reasons why it doesn't work. First it may be illegal under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers. Then there's the fact that no filter is perfect, and finally kids are smart enough to find their way around them.'" From the sound of it, it might just be newspeak vs newspeak. The entire letter is included in the article.

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  1. Summed up in verse by cold+fjord · · Score: 5, Funny

    Rude Britannia!
    Britannia on the net!
    Children might still find bad things yet!

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    much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
    1. Re:Summed up in verse by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Just wait for the tech support calls where people complain they can't watch porn anymore... they're setting themselves up for the swiftest kick in the ass ever by the general public. That's the problem with filtering that runs on the connection instead of the computer. But hey, at least some ISPs will benefit: Namely the ones selling VPN accounts. Oh, and Tor looks to boost its numbers some more. Ever since the NSA took a big shit in the information super pool, Tor's seen an explosion of exit nodes and bridges... I gotta say, it's almost reasonably fast now for regular internet, with a few tweaks to your browser to pipeline requests...

      Thanks Britain! You're unwittingly supporting terrorism, organized crime, software and multimedia piracy, citizens' right to privacy and managing to piss off over half the internet population by messing with their porn. Bravo! By weeks' end you'll be less popular than the Americans with their NSA surveillance program.

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    2. Re:Summed up in verse by AHuxley · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "level it may not be too bad."
      What would the UK gov like to memory hole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hole ?
      Some past stories that would be so tempting to just filter down just a bit:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharine_Gun
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakeknife
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/30/iraq-torture-allegations-uk-military-investigations-reopened
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2163799/UK-soldiers-beat-innocent-Iraqi-men-black-ops-jails-new-secret-justice-law-means-torture-hidden-forever.html
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/24/undercover-officers-police-chief-met
      http://www.information-age.com/technology/mobile-and-networking/123457043/ee-and-ipsos-mori-face-privacy-backlash-over-mobile-data-analysis
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9750403/MI6-codebreaker-Gareth-Williams-probably-locked-himself-into-sports-bag.html
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9337175/Soldiers-sacked-days-before-pension-date.html
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2127453/M16-1m-bribe-silence-torture-victim-Spies-gave-dissident-Gaddafi-thugs.html
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/11/gchq-staff-war-crimes-drones
      With some "filter controls" for a few days after publication and pay walls long term, an individual in the UK could have their news just reshaped a bit long term.
      Ideas like the http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2013/jun/14/what-are-secret-courts will shut the press out from some UK court reporting.
      This mass filter idea might be the next step.
      Australia shows the mission creep eg just for a few suspected fraud sites.
      http://delimiter.com.au/2013/05/16/global-eyes-are-watching-eff-condemns-australias-new-internet-filter/

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    3. Re:Summed up in verse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's pedant not pendant.

  2. Give them an inch... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is what you got when a nation-wide filtering system is created in the first place. Not satisfied with merely blocking the pedo-porn they went after the pirates and now they want to go after everything not whitelisted. It only gets worse from here guys, kill the national filter system dead before it grows, kill it before it grows.

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    1. Re:Give them an inch... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The point being that it's the same country that's wiretapping the rest of the planet?

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    2. Re: Give them an inch... by ian_billyboy_morris · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's because America loves free speech so much, they want to hear every word of free speech in the entire world. America F *ck Yea!

    3. Re:Give them an inch... by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Isn't it an odd feeling when siding with some of the most horrible criminals feels less awful than siding with the law?

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  3. Blacklist corruption by godel_56 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It'll start out banning porn, or so they'll claim, but pretty soon things like Wikileaks will be included on the blacklist with the general public never noticing.

  4. Parents need to be the filter... by David_Hart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No automatic filter works better than actual parenting...

  5. It is not about porn by devent · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To make it clear, anyone who believes this filter will stop at porn or to protect children is on cloud 7.
    This push is not about that. It is to apply a filter to content that the government can not control. The filter is here the goal. And any means is just to get popular opinion to support it.

    Once this filter is in place the scope will increase incrementally, with every new legislation round. Copyright holders will push to include sites like ThePirateBay, never mind TPB is listing a lot of legal torrents; it will include radio streams that somehow slipped paying the PPL;

    Later of course the filter will include "terrorists sites". And more later any critics and articles on the government politics and programs, that are deemed crucial "national security", like the Snowden leaks.

    The press like the Guardian have rights like freedom of the press. But the Internet does not have any rights. There is no right to Twitter or to Blog.

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  6. Quelle Surprise by Oxygen99 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Of course they're at war. This is one of the most incompetent and scientifically illiterate governments in living memory. It's packed full of lunatic ideologues like Ian Duncan Smith and Teresa May who sideline professional academic advice time and time again in favour of their own prejudices stupidity and ignorance. I just wish their misguided, harmful and plain unworkable policies wouldn't wreck this countries social and political fabric for generations to come. It would be funny if the human cost wasn't so high

    And you know what? In spite of this, the main opposition is still unable to differentiate itself as a better alternative than this shower of charlatans, bigots and liars.

    I despair at this country. I really do.

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