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Leaked Letter Shows UK ISPs and Government At War Over Default Filters

An anonymous reader writes, quoting the BBC: "A letter sent to the UK's four leading ISPs from the government has made them very cross indeed. The letter comes from the Department for Education but it sets out a list of demands from Downing Street, with the stated aim of allowing the prime minister to make an announcement shortly. The companies are asked, among other things, for a commitment to fund an 'awareness campaign' for parents. They're not particularly happy about promising cash for what the letter concedes is an 'unknown campaign' but it's the next item on the menu which is the source of most of their anger." That next item is making and marketing Internet censorship filters as "default-on" rather than "active choice": "'It sounds like a good idea until you think it through,' said one industry source. 'There are three reasons why it doesn't work. First it may be illegal under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers. Then there's the fact that no filter is perfect, and finally kids are smart enough to find their way around them.'" From the sound of it, it might just be newspeak vs newspeak. The entire letter is included in the article.

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  1. Summed up in verse by cold+fjord · · Score: 5, Funny

    Rude Britannia!
    Britannia on the net!
    Children might still find bad things yet!

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    much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
    1. Re:Summed up in verse by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Just wait for the tech support calls where people complain they can't watch porn anymore... they're setting themselves up for the swiftest kick in the ass ever by the general public. That's the problem with filtering that runs on the connection instead of the computer. But hey, at least some ISPs will benefit: Namely the ones selling VPN accounts. Oh, and Tor looks to boost its numbers some more. Ever since the NSA took a big shit in the information super pool, Tor's seen an explosion of exit nodes and bridges... I gotta say, it's almost reasonably fast now for regular internet, with a few tweaks to your browser to pipeline requests...

      Thanks Britain! You're unwittingly supporting terrorism, organized crime, software and multimedia piracy, citizens' right to privacy and managing to piss off over half the internet population by messing with their porn. Bravo! By weeks' end you'll be less popular than the Americans with their NSA surveillance program.

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    2. Re:Summed up in verse by Finallyjoined!!! · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thanks US, you can't even spell Arse.....

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    3. Re:Summed up in verse by Molochi · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thanks Queen's English pendant, for being more concerned with Arse vs. Ass linguistic colloquialisms, than your own legal rights.

      Keep a stiff upper lip and stay calm, Richard.

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    4. Re:Summed up in verse by AHuxley · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "level it may not be too bad."
      What would the UK gov like to memory hole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hole ?
      Some past stories that would be so tempting to just filter down just a bit:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharine_Gun
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakeknife
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/30/iraq-torture-allegations-uk-military-investigations-reopened
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2163799/UK-soldiers-beat-innocent-Iraqi-men-black-ops-jails-new-secret-justice-law-means-torture-hidden-forever.html
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/24/undercover-officers-police-chief-met
      http://www.information-age.com/technology/mobile-and-networking/123457043/ee-and-ipsos-mori-face-privacy-backlash-over-mobile-data-analysis
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9750403/MI6-codebreaker-Gareth-Williams-probably-locked-himself-into-sports-bag.html
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9337175/Soldiers-sacked-days-before-pension-date.html
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2127453/M16-1m-bribe-silence-torture-victim-Spies-gave-dissident-Gaddafi-thugs.html
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/11/gchq-staff-war-crimes-drones
      With some "filter controls" for a few days after publication and pay walls long term, an individual in the UK could have their news just reshaped a bit long term.
      Ideas like the http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2013/jun/14/what-are-secret-courts will shut the press out from some UK court reporting.
      This mass filter idea might be the next step.
      Australia shows the mission creep eg just for a few suspected fraud sites.
      http://delimiter.com.au/2013/05/16/global-eyes-are-watching-eff-condemns-australias-new-internet-filter/

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    5. Re:Summed up in verse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's pedant not pendant.

    6. Re:Summed up in verse by oobayly · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm planning on writing to my MP and asking him for permission to watch porn, and how to go about doing so.

    7. Re:Summed up in verse by ciderbrew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your government says "If you have nothing to fear if......" Wait, they given us rather a lot to fear haven't they.

  2. Finding their way around them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    That brings back memories. 14 or 15 years ago, when I was still living in the dial up age, my father decided to implement a 1 hour/day limit on my Internet access (AOL parental controls, I believe.) he worked until the evening so I could do whatever I wanted without supervision for the 4 or 5 hours between the end of school and him returning home. One of the very first things I did was search for a free dial up ISP that displayed ads, and I found one! All was great for a month or so until the phone bill for $900 came in... Turned out it was dialing some ISP in the Ukraine... Oops!

  3. Give them an inch... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is what you got when a nation-wide filtering system is created in the first place. Not satisfied with merely blocking the pedo-porn they went after the pirates and now they want to go after everything not whitelisted. It only gets worse from here guys, kill the national filter system dead before it grows, kill it before it grows.

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    1. Re:Give them an inch... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The point being that it's the same country that's wiretapping the rest of the planet?

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    2. Re: Give them an inch... by ian_billyboy_morris · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's because America loves free speech so much, they want to hear every word of free speech in the entire world. America F *ck Yea!

    3. Re:Give them an inch... by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh there IS freedom of speech in all of Europe!

      There may not be much freedom after the speech, though.

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    4. Re:Give them an inch... by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Isn't it an odd feeling when siding with some of the most horrible criminals feels less awful than siding with the law?

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  4. "Default on"==protection? Who are they kidding? by c0lo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let me guess: all good and dandy until some parents will sue the ISP for "having their kids accidentally exposed by a hole the filter" (as in "letting the kid find a way to bypass the filter and try get some money from the ISP").
    Then the idea of "default-on filter" will be busted for good (or, alternatively, the Internet as seen by UK will look like a puny list of white listed sites, all the others censored).

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    1. Re:"Default on"==protection? Who are they kidding? by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Please do.

      We cannot fight that. Not enough push behind it, aside of the 0.0001% of the population who actually gets what's at stake doesn't really matter in elections at all.

      But if ISPs are scared shitless that they are facing a LOT of lawsuits because they KNOW that it is virtually impossible to impose such filtering without fail, at least not at sensible cost, they will put up as much resistance against it as they could possibly muster, knowing that it's either felling that law or closing shop.

      We need someone who actually can push against it. Us trying to do it alone is akin to trying to stop the tsunami with a broom.

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  5. Blacklist corruption by godel_56 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It'll start out banning porn, or so they'll claim, but pretty soon things like Wikileaks will be included on the blacklist with the general public never noticing.

  6. Parents need to be the filter... by David_Hart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No automatic filter works better than actual parenting...

  7. The tone of the letter is interesting... by Bearhouse · · Score: 3, Informative

    In fact, it's quite an interesting read, and an insight into 'modern' politico thinking...

    Behind the politeness...
    "ask for some specific"
    " I would be grateful if you could consider this request as a matter of urgency

    They're actually 'asking' (i.e. trying to direct) the ISPs specific actions...

    "Will the other three ISPs consider making a commitment to adopting this approach [experimental browser intercept] - even before it has been trialled"

    Who in their right mind would commit to that? What if it totally bombs; they're still going to implement it?

    "The prime minister expects customers to be required to prove their age/identity before any changes to the filters are made"

    Why? Is he an internet security expert now?

    "The prime minister would like to be able to announce a collective financial commitment from industry to fund this campaign."

    Yeah, I bet he would. "Look voters, I screwed some of your cash out of your ISPs in the name of the children!"

    "The prime minister believes that there is much more that we can all do to improve how we communicate the current position on parental internet controls and that there is a need for a simplified message to reassure parents and the public more generally. Without changing what you will be offering (ie active-choice +), the prime minister would like to be able to refer to your solutions are "default-on" as people will have to make a choice not to have the filters (by unticking the box). "

    Pure spin. The whole thing reeks of micromanagement and backroom arm-twisting.
    Plus of course, if the entire thing goes wrong, the Gov gets to blame the ISPs!

  8. It is not about porn by devent · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To make it clear, anyone who believes this filter will stop at porn or to protect children is on cloud 7.
    This push is not about that. It is to apply a filter to content that the government can not control. The filter is here the goal. And any means is just to get popular opinion to support it.

    Once this filter is in place the scope will increase incrementally, with every new legislation round. Copyright holders will push to include sites like ThePirateBay, never mind TPB is listing a lot of legal torrents; it will include radio streams that somehow slipped paying the PPL;

    Later of course the filter will include "terrorists sites". And more later any critics and articles on the government politics and programs, that are deemed crucial "national security", like the Snowden leaks.

    The press like the Guardian have rights like freedom of the press. But the Internet does not have any rights. There is no right to Twitter or to Blog.

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  9. Quelle Surprise by Oxygen99 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Of course they're at war. This is one of the most incompetent and scientifically illiterate governments in living memory. It's packed full of lunatic ideologues like Ian Duncan Smith and Teresa May who sideline professional academic advice time and time again in favour of their own prejudices stupidity and ignorance. I just wish their misguided, harmful and plain unworkable policies wouldn't wreck this countries social and political fabric for generations to come. It would be funny if the human cost wasn't so high

    And you know what? In spite of this, the main opposition is still unable to differentiate itself as a better alternative than this shower of charlatans, bigots and liars.

    I despair at this country. I really do.

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    I had a dream, bright and carefree, but now there's doubt and gravity