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Piracy Rates Plummet As Legal Alternatives Come To Norway

jones_supa writes "Entertainment industry groups in Norway have spent years lobbying for tougher anti-piracy laws, finally getting their way earlier this month. But with fines and site-blocking now on the agenda, an interesting trend has been developing. According to a new report published by Ipsos, between 2008 and 2012 piracy of movies and TV shows collapsed in Norway, along with music seeing a massive drop to less than one fifth of the original level. Olav Torvund, former law professor at the University of Oslo, attributes this to good legal alternatives which are available today (Google translation of Norwegian original). Of those questioned for the survey, 47% (representing around 1.7 million people) said they use a streaming music service such as Spotify. And of those, just over half said that they pay for the premium option."

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  1. And yet... by asmkm22 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The industry will still try and spin this off as being a side effect of their anti-piracy push.

    1. Re:And yet... by exomondo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The industry continues to have faith in their method of exterminating hornets by hitting them with a sledgehammer.

      It's been an effort to resist change, the problem for them has always been convenience! When the legal method is less convenient than the illegal method (particularly when the illegal method is widely available) people will most often choose the latter. The music industry and - later when higher bandwidth connections became mainstream - the film industry spent so much time fighting the internet rather than embracing it that the piracy culture went mainstream, their lack of vision created a mammoth task of now having to try reverse the effects of their ignorance...hardly trivial when that's also coupled with their dickish behavior toward piracy.

      The fact that things are changing is good for everybody but all the piracy FUD needs to be dropped, the RIAA/MPAA caused their own misfortune so it's time to drop that and move on with serving the customer again.

  2. Re:US rental industry is insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To be fair, it was "1 or 2" not "1 then 2".

    For many shows currently being broadcast, particularly on HBO and Showtime, of course the option it "1 or wait 6 months then try 2 because paying now isn't possible"

  3. Re:US rental industry is insane by hawguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I couldn't help but notice that you check for a free pirated version before checking legitimate sources.

    You missed his point. He wasn't telling you the order he uses, he was giving you the two options for watching content.

    One is much easier than the other. Why would he go around to several streaming sites or resort to buying a physical DVD if the movie he wants isn't available for streaming when, for any relatively recent movie, he could just go straight to downloading the torrent. And, unlike with streaming content, once he downloads it, he can be sure that it will still be there in a month when he wants to watch it again, and he can load it on his phone or laptop to take it on the go.

  4. Re:Not piracy, assholes by Lendrick · · Score: 5, Funny

    The term "piracy" when it refers to making unauthorized duplications of a copyrighted work is actually in reference to how pirates used to board merchant ships and make exact copies of everything on board, leaving the crew and cargo unharmed, but devaluing the goods slightly.

  5. still too expensive by Xicor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1$ a song is ridiculous. i dont pirate songs because i have pandora, where i can listen to all the songs i want whenever i want for 20$ a year. that being said, movies are a different story... 12$ for 2 hrs of entertainment is absurd. i hope at some point the MPAA realizes that piracy isnt the cause for their lack of sales... piracy is the answer to their ridiculous pricing and they dont seem to understand this. any intelligent business would realize that ppl are pirating because they dont want to pay the absurd prices and find some way to decrease the cost so that people would be less inclined to pirate. if there was a system like pandora but for movies, im sure ppl would be willing to pay it. (dont say netflix....netflix also has ridiculous prices, and their online system has almost no good movies)

    1. Re:still too expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Definitely

      For me once steam became a viable alternative and you can find any AAA title thats over 6mo old for 10$ or less, I basically stopped pirating games. The price point was awesome, and to have automatic updates and all the other benefits was worth it.

      For movies I still pirate them, there is nothing out there that can match the quality of what pirates produce. ALL streaming services offer shit quality in both audio and video at too high a price compared to what pirates offer for free. If there was a place that charged maybe .5-1$ for rental and maybe 5$ to own a download in 1080p quality with DTS sound, then they would start seeing the money again

    2. Re:still too expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If there was a place that charged maybe .5-1$ for rental and maybe 5$ to own a download in 1080p quality with DTS sound, then they would start seeing the money again

      And yet there isn't online. I can go to Redbox and get a DVD for under a dollar (with regular coupons). I can easily rip the disk and keep a perfect copy. Yet, I can't stream the same movies for that price and even if I could, they wouldn't support Linux, because I might copy the stream. Someone is not thinking things out and it's not me.

  6. Illicit copying is a response to unequal exchange by maynard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why are so many insistent on free exchange of copyrighted material? Content creators don't like the idea, they'd like to earn a living. Publishers hate it even more, they want monopolies to extract every bit of value from their 'properties' as possible. The only people who like it are consumers who must go through the walled gardens publishers have set up. And therein lies the problem, publishers seek to extract perpetual rents, coddling a slim number of creators while sucking up value created for free by the general populace.

    Jaron Lanier recently came out with a book, Who Owns the Future?, where he argues that digital networking has had a decimating effect on the middle classes of the world. In this Nieman Journalism Lab interview at the Harvard School for Journalism, Lanier outlines a micropayment solution whereby the general public would be paid back for information collection and content creation directly in a distributed manner, thereby cutting out the centralized collection and distribution points that content monopolies have created.

    The point is that people are doing a tremendous amount of work for free all across the 'net, often in ways that don't resemble pure craft work yet represent tremendous value for large companies like Google, Microsoft, Sony, Facebook, and the other big players. Yet those companies want every cent in perpetual rent for the work they perform in creating and distributing their goods. He is not arguing 'income inequality' in the sense of wealth redistribution - say, using government taxation to collect revenue and provide welfare payments to an underclass - but instead to distribute payments to every value add created.

    For example, were you to translate a document from one language to the next, and google uses it as part of for statistical analysis in their language translation engine, then every time your work is referenced you should get paid for that effort. If you use a camera to document and tag a new pothole in the street, and Google Streetview uses that as part of a pothole map, you should be paid for that effort every time this is referenced (until the data becomes defuncts). This is similar to copyright in that for content creators, many of whom craft and distribute work for free instead of receiving payment for the work.

    It's as if whole populations have decided that because content monopolies are taking all the work out on the net for free they can get to monetize, while demanding enforcement of intellectual property rights in an unequal exchange, that people are justified in taking what they want for free. Yet even if this were the case, the trade is still pretty bad for the people doing so much free work. You can't eat a pirated song or movie. And yet every step we take on the internet is used by the big players to aggregate vast wealth at our expense.

    I can see some problems with Lanier's approach. For example, he's like to do away with monopolies and move to a distributed payment system. Yet how is one to handle those payments without a banking monopoly? Bitcoin? How do governments tax those transactions? (Yes, I know many people would prefer they didn't - but that doesn't mean such a system is viable given political realities). How do governments control and track criminal trade? (Yes, I know many people would prefer they didn't - but that doesn't mean such a system is viable given law enforcement realities).

    Still, I think Lanier has put his finger on the central problem of inequality between people and these companies. It's not income inequality per se, but that the system provides no payment for value add to the vast majority of people while at the same time monetizing that very value to sell back to us. All while IT systems automate labor that used to be paid work, and companies outsource across national lines to the lowest bidder. People ar