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The City Where People Are Afraid To Breathe

HonorPoncaCityDotCom writes "BBC reports that cases of an incurable illness called valley fever are multiplying at an alarming and mystifying rate in the American south-west. Few places have been hit as hard as Avenal, a remote city of 14,000 people, nestling in a dip in the floor of the San Joaquin Valley in what experts refer to as a 'hot zone' for coccidioidomycosis — an illness caused by the inhalation of tiny fungal spores that usually reside in the soil. 'On windy days you are more conscious of it,' says Enrique Jimenez. 'You breathe in through your nose, and try not to breathe in as much dust. I worked in the fields for a long time, my father managed a few crops out here, and we took precautions, wearing bandanas.' Valley Fever is not easy to treat. Anti-fungal drugs are available for serious cases but some patients don't respond and it can take years to clear up. It never leaves the body and symptoms can be triggered again. Some patients are on the drugs for life, at a crippling financial cost. During World War II, German prisoners held at a camp in Arizona fell ill. Germany reportedly invoked the Geneva Convention to try to get them moved. Longstanding concerns about valley fever were heightened recently when a federal health official ordered the transfer of more than 3,000 exceptionally vulnerable inmates from two San Joaquin Valley prisons where several dozen have died of the disease in recent years. Dale Pulde, a motorcycle mechanic in Los Angeles County, said he contracted the disease three years ago after traveling to Bakersfield in Kern County and was coughing so hard he was blacking out; he spit blood and couldn't catch his breath. For two months, doctors tested him for everything from tuberculosis to cancer until blood tests confirmed he had the fever. 'When I found out that health officials knew about (this disease) and how common it is, I was beside myself,' said Pulde. 'Why don't they tell people?'"

243 comments

  1. hmm.. by DFurno2003 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    BBC is the closest news network to cover it?

    1. Re:hmm.. by noh8rz9 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Of course the citizens are left to fend for themselves but the prisoners are evacuated in air conditioned buses.

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    2. Re:hmm.. by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      BBC is the closest news network to cover it?

      I live in California and the first broadcaster I heard of the Asiana aircraft crash at SFO was the BBC World Service.

      On topic - I drive through Avenel a number of times each year. All the better reason to keep the windows rolled up, the sunroof closed and be glad my car has an air filter on the ventilation intake.

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    3. Re:hmm.. by Daemonik · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course the citizens are left to fend for themselves but the prisoners are evacuated in air conditioned buses.

      The prisoners are the direct responsibility of the State and therefore the State is liable for their health and well being.

    4. Re:hmm.. by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 1

      I too drive through there a couple of times a year. I do all of the above plus put the HVAC system on Recirculate rather than pulling outside air.

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    5. Re:hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BBC is the closest news network to cover it?

      Well, obviously, the government knows best.

      Right?

      Governments would never put their hold on power over your health, now would they? Especially not in the US, and doubly especially not in oh-so-caring California....

    6. Re:hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was amazed at the amount of homeless in San Fran. It was a huge culture shock to me.

    7. Re:hmm.. by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Dozens dying over "several years" puts this disease on a much much lower scale than the cold or the flu.

      This isnt the bubonic plague.

    8. Re:hmm.. by sjames · · Score: 1

      I'm fairly sure that the prisoners will gladly be left to fend for themselves if the state cares to take that option.

    9. Re:hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in Phoenix AZ, another area Valley Fever is present, and it's on the news and radio after every major dust storm. In addition to the news, there's government paid advertisements warning of the common symptoms.

    10. Re:hmm.. by avandesande · · Score: 1

      It's common knowledge in the SW, but likely generates lots of clicks for the BBC.

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    11. Re:hmm.. by Mike+Frett · · Score: 4, Insightful

      American media are busy trying to inform you of the NSA being the good guys on their five-hour long morning show. Later, they want you to know about the upcoming season of Honey Boo Boo. After they tell you all this they want to show you some Commercials so you can buy a Laptop with Windows 8. After the break they want to have a sit-down with some self-proclaimed former attorney that will explain to you why the Jury was wrong about the Zimmerman verdict, they'll be sure to spend two whole hours with limited Commercial breaks on that fiasco.

    12. Re:hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dozens dying over "several years" puts this disease on a much much lower scale than the cold or the flu.

      This isnt the bubonic plague.

      No... on the other hand most people get over the cold or the flu after a week or two. Even the bubonic plague will go away (if you dont die). As I'm sure you've read the article - this particular disease can't be cured. Only kept under control (somewhat and not for everyone) by expensive drugs. So in a way, its a lot MORE of a problem than cold or the flu.

    13. Re:hmm.. by VanGarrett · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The prisoners may be free men again some day, and have the same right to health that everyone else does. Free men are able to leave the dangerous areas as they please. Prisoners don't have that choice.

    14. Re:hmm.. by Your.Master · · Score: 4, Informative

      It was 40 out of 8000 people that died. That's a 0.5% death toll in 7 years, which annualizes to 0.07%. That's way higher than most Flus (2009 was relatively deadly at 0.03%). And those Flus are worldwide averages, not localized to prisons in developed countries.

    15. Re:hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No... on the other hand most people get over the cold or the flu after a week or two. Even the bubonic plague will go away (if you dont die). As I'm sure you've read the article - this particular disease can't be cured. Only kept under control (somewhat and not for everyone) by expensive drugs. So in a way, its a lot MORE of a problem than cold or the flu.

      Poster of that comment here: silly me... I assumed the basic facts in the article might at least be correct, it being the BBC and all. It seems that you _can_ get over valley fever?

      "The disease is not transmitted from person to person. The infection ordinarily resolves leaving the patient with a specific immunity to re-infection"

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_fever

    16. Re:hmm.. by VanGarrett · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't feel too sorry for them. Most of those guys make more money than I do, working 50 hours a week. Ask the staff at Macy's about the pan handler that shows up every morning in a Lexus.

    17. Re:hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, do I sense a hint of sarcasm?

    18. Re:hmm.. by thomst · · Score: 2

      Hey, my wife and I both contracted Valley Fever when we moved to Las Vegas, in 2004. I've never been that sick before. Throwing up once an hour for close to a week. Drained of energy for a couple of months afterward. God-fucking-AWFUL disease.

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    19. Re:hmm.. by Prune · · Score: 1, Informative

      Many of the homeless in San Francisco are war veterans. I suggest one does some fact checking before making glib comments on slashdot.

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    20. Re:hmm.. by Prune · · Score: 1

      Many of the homeless in SF are vets, actually. I'd say your country owes them a bit more than criticism for makeshift housing in the park.

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    21. Re:hmm.. by egamma · · Score: 1

      Of course the citizens are left to fend for themselves but the prisoners are evacuated in air conditioned buses.

      Are you suggesting that the state should force the citizens to leave? Or are you suggesting that the citizens are too poor to afford bus fare for an air-conditioned greyhound bus ride?

    22. Re:hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that most locals know about it already, and if you're ever infected, once it's cleared up you're immune.

      The only question I have is why there isn't a vaccine for it, seems like that would be cheaper, long run...

    23. Re:hmm.. by bhcompy · · Score: 1

      That's why we Californian's give them free sex changes, free kidney transplants for lifers while non-incarcerated people die from lack of organs because they're lower on the list, etc.

    24. Re:hmm.. by Whatsmynickname · · Score: 2

      BBC is the closest news network to cover it?

      You must be new to the United States media, where the local TV devotes far more airtime to crucial stories such as fucking Zippy the Wonder Dog which does backflips and where the local Pravda newspaper devotes front 5 pages to a local recycling effort. If you're lucky, I mean really really lucky, the local Prava may, just may, have an article buried in page A15 of a 30 page section to 2 paragraphs on something which may affect you.

    25. Re:hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's common knowledge in the SW, but likely generates lots of clicks for the BBC.

      True. My aunt died from it back in the '70's. The disease is not news.

    26. Re:hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NPR had a fairly long on air segment about this a while back (apparently in may)
      http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/05/13/181880987/cases-of-mysterious-valley-fever-rise-in-american-southwest

    27. Re:hmm.. by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, 80 hours a week at minimum wage will net you about $2000 a month (fed min, I don't know CA min). Panhandling, that's about $1 every 10 minutes. The problem isn't panhandling, but the minimum wage. And maybe the way taxes are held for those making minimum wage.

    28. Re:hmm.. by popeye44 · · Score: 2

      Well, I'm a bit closer but not a source of News. I live in Fresno which is 35 or so miles from the town mentioned. However I have lived in the valley almost all my life as has most of my family. My Mother however who lived in Oregon until she was a teen has had Valley Fever. Not a single other person in my family (on mother or fathers side across uncles and aunts) have ever had it. My Fathers family farmed and lived in the dust. I myself have ran open loaders, graders, tractors and all sorts of equipment in it. I have ran equipment in the same place I have known a co-worked to get infected. It's a picky disease apparently. Growing up as I did in the valley (Bakersfield through Fresno) I knew a few people who had it.Some to the point of it being a disabling disease and others who only got a knot on the leg but tested positive for it. At the extremes it can have life long effects but most people I have known have no lasting problems from it (there are a few that do) My Mother only had symptoms for about a week but was weak for a month. I had a friend in junior high that struggled for a year but then became healthy. It's such an unusual disease and it is very common for mis-diagnosis because outside of this area it's unheard of. Strange to see something from the BBC on it.

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    29. Re:hmm.. by Hartree · · Score: 1

      Because vaccine research is often difficult. Especially for things like fungi.
      They've been working on Valley Fever for many years. They already had at least one candidate vaccine that failed in humans.

      Add to that, vaccines are usually not very profitable.

    30. Re:hmm.. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Of course the citizens are left to fend for themselves but the prisoners are evacuated in air conditioned buses.

      California probably isn't the state to play that particular card in: their prison standards are so... exemplary... that they've been judged a violation of 8th-amendment prohibitions on cruel and unusual punishment. The not-notoriously-soft-on-crime feds have had them under oversight for a bit over 15 years trying to get the reckless negligence and massive overcrowding down to constitutionally-viable levels...

      (Plus, of course, incarcerating somebody makes them your responsibility to a degree that you'd be accused of extreme nanny-stating for adopting with respect to free citizens. How popular would having the feds herd the locals out to protect them from the fungal menace be?)

    31. Re:hmm.. by tibit · · Score: 1

      Hopefully you'll remember to replace that filter after driving through that place. All while following proper PPE precautions as said filter has a high concentration of pathogens on it. Right? Yeah, right :/

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    32. Re:hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And those Flus are worldwide averages, not localized to prisons in developed countries.

      So what you're saying is you're comparing apples to oranges to prove your point of view?

    33. Re:hmm.. by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      That's because no one reads newspapers any more, and TV news has always been more like infotainment than facts.

      Not that the Internet is much better, but there are enough sources that you at least can piece together something useful with enough effort.

    34. Re:hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so true, Mike.
      The U.S. media is more likely to pick up this story if they are told that the fungus is caused by fracking or watching Fox News.

    35. Re:hmm.. by s0nicfreak · · Score: 1

      With citizens, bus fare is not the only concern - the bigger concern is having a house, job, food etc. once they get somewhere else. For prisoners, that's all taken care of for them...

    36. Re:hmm.. by ultranova · · Score: 2

      Of course the citizens are left to fend for themselves but the prisoners are evacuated in air conditioned buses.

      If you hold someone prisoner, you are responsible for his wellbeing. So either lobby for your government to hold less prisoners, or lobby for a welfare state where it has a responsibility to everyone, or accept that you'll be paying for buses - air-conditioned where appropriate - to haul felons out of danger's way while you're left to fend for yourself.

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    37. Re:hmm.. by overshoot · · Score: 1

      To the BBC it's news. Any closer and it's old news. Going to school in Phoenix in the 50s, there was always someone out with valley fever. About like the flu: you're out for a few days to maybe a couple of weeks, and you may not even know it wasn't the flu. After that, the only time you're likely to be reminded of it is when the doc looks at a chest X-ray and asks if you've been in the area long.

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    38. Re:hmm.. by egamma · · Score: 1

      With citizens, bus fare is not the only concern - the bigger concern is having a house, job, food etc. once they get somewhere else. For prisoners, that's all taken care of for them...

      So the citizens should just commit crimes, so that they can get relocated for free!

    39. Re:hmm.. by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think they're saying they're the kind of person who doesn't give a damn about people locked up by the state, and that they like to pretend that not treating prisoners like rats is somehow an affront to non-prisoners. A lot of people are just awful, and since being awful actually gets you rewards in the wingnut subculture, I don't see them improving until that whole culture collapses due to their inability to compete with educated people.

    40. Re:hmm.. by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 2

      Are you advocating a welfare state that busses non-prisoners, or to not keep prisoners anymore? It'll have to be one or the other to resolve this imagined problem of yours.

    41. Re:hmm.. by egamma · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that noh8rz9 is one of those people who thinks that the government should spend who-knows-how-much-money to move who-knows-how-many-people at the expense of the taxpayer. Of course, noh8rz9 isn't one of those taxpayers.

    42. Re:hmm.. by xevioso · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And many are not. Many are young kids who decided a life of living on the street free from the constraints of "the man" is a good way to live. I know; I live here.

    43. Re:hmm.. by xevioso · · Score: 2

      The vast majority of the homeless who encamp in GGP are not war veterans; that's asinine. Go to the end of Haight and look in the park, and what do you see? Dozens, if not hundreds of young adults and 20-30 somethings who just want to smoke weed all day and live in squalor. Those aren't veterans. Those are kids who don't want to make a living like the rest of us. They just wanna be carefree. I know; I live here.

    44. Re:hmm.. by petsounds · · Score: 1

      My grandmother, who lives in Visalia, contracted it around 20 years ago when she was in her 60s. Hit her real hard, and she had to basically lay in bed most of the day...for an entire year. It's a terrible thing that not many Californians outside of the San Joaquin Valley even know about.

      The article makes it seem like this fungus is getting more infectious, but really it's just that the area has seen a lot of population growth in the last decade.

    45. Re:hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And only specially at-risk prisoners were moved. Sounds very reasonable to me.

    46. Re:hmm.. by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      The vast majority of the homeless who encamp in GGP are not war veterans; that's asinine. Go to the end of Haight and look in the park, and what do you see? Dozens, if not hundreds of young adults and 20-30 somethings who just want to smoke weed all day and live in squalor. Those aren't veterans. Those are kids who don't want to make a living like the rest of us. They just wanna be carefree. I know; I live here.

      The reality is some are war vets, some are non-war vets, some are non-vets, but almost all are substance abusers of some sort, many are just alcoholics, but others are on stronger substances.

      I've done volunteer work, cleaning out the huge amounts of trash these people squirrel away in the parks. It can't be easy living like that, but that's the choice they make and few return to making a living from life on the streets and camping in the park.

      Great, let them live the life they chose, but by no means should they be entitled to destroy parks with their squalor.

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    47. Re:hmm.. by xevioso · · Score: 1

      No, the problem is panhandling. If San Francisco is too expensive, you should perhaps consider finding a cheaper place to live, of which there are many.

      The reality is that a lot of those folks don't want to do real work. Asking for money is pretty easy compared to other types of work.

    48. Re:hmm.. by xevioso · · Score: 1

      The real problem as far as I can tell are the chronic repeat offenders. The city can't do anything to really target them because they get sued by homless advocates.

      And now that idiot Ammiano is going to try to make their behavior legal. It blows my mind, and I love this city.

    49. Re:hmm.. by shiftless · · Score: 1

      Many of the homeless in SF are vets, actually. I'd say your country owes them a bit more than criticism for makeshift housing in the park.

      As a veteran, I'd say you're full of shit, because this is the United States of God Damned America. Where nobody is "owed" anything.

      P.S. I'm not homeless. And I would never live in San Diego, San Francisco, or any of those other shitholes.

    50. Re:hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Panhandling pays much, much more than minimum wage.

    51. Re:hmm.. by lgw · · Score: 0

      The minimum wage in SF is $10.55 an hour. If you had a security guard job (the only job I can imagine paying you overtime for 80 hours, but common in that job) and worked those hours, that would be around $4500 a month, which is about a buck fifty after taxes, since you're one of those evil rich bastards making more than the median US income who thus deserves bankruptcy for your greed.

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    52. Re: hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As was I. Of course, I never give any of them money, since I was almost accosted by a beggar.

      I will however give ten my leftovers. They don't really appreciate that though. Not sure why...

    53. Re:hmm.. by labnet · · Score: 1

      BBC is the closest news network to cover it?

      You must be new to the United States media, where the local TV devotes far more airtime to crucial stories such as fucking Zippy the Wonder Dog which does backflips and where the local Pravda newspaper devotes front 5 pages to a local recycling effort. If you're lucky, I mean really really lucky, the local Prava may, just may, have an article buried in page A15 of a 30 page section to 2 paragraphs on something which may affect you.

      Amen to that.
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    54. Re:hmm.. by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      American media are busy trying to inform you of the NSA being the good guys on their five-hour long morning show

      Don't worry. The BBC are busy trying to do that as well.

    55. Re:hmm.. by zaft · · Score: 2

      Yes, valley fever is hardly news. Growing up in Arizona it was common knowledge. Most people get it and it's no big deal, just like a cold or mild flu. It's true that for some it's far worse, but that's rare. This is news?

    56. Re:hmm.. by steveg · · Score: 2

      It's very localized, and is not normally fatal. Nonetheless, it can be very debilitating. Years ago, when I worked in the oilpatch, one of my crew got a bad case. A big strong guy -- when I saw him six or so months later, he looked like a skeleton. Years later you will still feel some of the effects. Expect respiratory weakness for the rest of your life.

      If you have lived in this area for any length of time, chances are very good that you've had it. It may hit you like a bad cold, or like a bad case of pneumonia, or anything in between. Even if you live in one of the hot spots, it's quite possible that doctors won't realize that's what you've got. If you live somewhere else, chances are the doctors have never heard of it.

        They called mine bronchial pneumonia (of course that was more than 40 years ago), and it wasn't until I got a Valley Fever test years later as part of a physical exam that I was told "you've had Valley Fever." There are still spots on my lungs that show up on xrays.

      Some people get hit exceptionally hard, but lots of people get it. Most probably don't even realize they have.

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    57. Re:hmm.. by Lotana · · Score: 1

      Sadly, cases like that happened:

      Man Holds Up Bank For $1

    58. Re:hmm.. by steveg · · Score: 1

      That specific immunity is because it never completely goes away. The spores stay in your body.

      But yes, even without specific drugs, you will recover. Eventually. Most people that get it usually have a mild case. If so, the long term consequences are fairly minor. If you have a worse case, there will probably be *some* effect the rest of your life.

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    59. Re: hmm.. by cffrost · · Score: 1

      I will however give ten my leftovers. They don't really appreciate that though. Not sure why...

      I wouldn't want 1/10th of your table scraps, either.

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    60. Re:hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was 40 out of 8000 people that died. That's a 0.5% death toll in 7 years, which annualizes to 0.07%. That's way higher than most Flus (2009 was relatively deadly at 0.03%). And those Flus are worldwide averages, not localized to prisons in developed countries.

      You're not very good at math, are you?

    61. Re:hmm.. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Most likely it would be two separate jobs. It's cheaper for them to hire two people for 40 hours each. So most likely someone needing that level of income would be working retail days and security nights, no overtime, even if working security for the same place they work retail days for. So their gross would be about $1000 a month less than your number.

      Though that's still not addressing the question of how much the "average" panhandler makes in SF.

    62. Re:hmm.. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with panhandling, and what would you do about it. If it paid less than minimum, and safe minimum wage jobs were abundant, why would they not work? Panhandling is harder work than being a Wal-Mart greeter.

    63. Re: hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Come on now. The Chargers aren't THAT bad.

    64. Re:hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to America. The BBC isn't really any better, they and everyone figure the Zimmerman trail was over race, while I would agree, I have dealt with assholes like Zimmerman myself, and I am white. I like the BBC because they report about other "world" news, so I do not have to put up with the idiots in the left, right or mainstream media, however you get that from the BBC as well. It is safe to say TV and the Press is the downfall of human intelligence..

      The local press is by far a waste of money and time, showing morons with animals smarter then they are, house fires, car accidents, and doing investigative reports over a local politician taking money, or corruption, and act like if it wasn't for there report it would somehow have kept going on (that is funny). And any time we get any type of snowstorm, or rainstorm, severe storms, it becomes an encompassing event we've never seen. I say all that in humor, not anger.

      I always cracked jokes "what this world coming to when car commit suicide, or when houses decide to spontaneously combust themselves, Oh my god the madness of it all" Or traffic reports, I have never heard , anyone that lives in a city say to themselves, "today should be a easy and clear ride into work, why is the traffic backed up?"

    65. Re:hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While everyone else marvels at the wonders of the BBC covering this amazing story, I'm wondering how they scooped The Weekly World News. Perhaps there was a 2-headed sasquatch born in the area that distracted them. This is nothing new nor amazing for those of us living in the affected areas, anymore than there being scorpions and dust storms.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_fever

      California state prisons, as far back as 1919, have been particularly affected by Coccidioidomycosis.

      (Avenal has a state prison)

    66. Re:hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just not as big of a deal as they are making it out to be. I've lived in Arizona all of my life and never had any problems like the ones listed. This is just FUD.

    67. Re:hmm.. by DeathToThePatriarchy · · Score: 1

      This is not news in California. The court ruling that requires California move immune compromised prisoners out of the Valley is the news. Headline is also nonsense. Bandanas and proper farming techniques that limit the amount of soil disrupted and blown away also helps minimize the infection rate. My mother had this in the early '50s (it was called San Juaquin Valley Fever, then). She had to go to NIH (on the east coast) for diagnosis, despite it being somewhat known in CA then. Lived to age 80, but with mildly compromised lungs. It was not good, but it wasn't quite what the article suggests, either. She did pick up other lung infections more easily than others, but she was also a nearly life-long smoker.

    68. Re:hmm.. by dl_sledding · · Score: 1

      Of course! Ours (the US news agencies) are much too busy covering the ESPYs (or Emmys, Grammys, et al), the Bachelor(ette) (or DWTS, or American Idol, et al), the Zimmerman trial (and not the technical points of the trial; rather, the "poor parents" and the "racial impact"), the Kardashians, and what to have for dinner and how it will help your sex life. They don't have time for these non-events that don't sell ads, such as a near-epidemic outbreak of a respiratory fungal disease, the illegal digital spying acts of the US Acronyms (Note: possible new geek band name there), drone crashes, and deaths of key witnesses.

    69. Re:hmm.. by lgw · · Score: 1

      It's actually fairly common for security guards to work insane hours for the same company. I once had a roommate who did that. His company had an explicit rule about not working more than 100 hours per week, and needed that rule.

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    70. Re:hmm.. by Marcika · · Score: 1

      So a layabout who used to be a paid killer is more deserving than a layabout who used to be harmless, in your opinion? What makes you like nationalistic wannabe murderers?

    71. Re:hmm.. by nobodie · · Score: 1

      Citizens are free to stay or go. Prisoner health, because they are at the mercy of the state, is the responsibility of the state. You could, foolishly, complain about the cost of the buses, but then how much would you complain about the cost of life-long health care for one single inmate who contracted the fungal disease on a bus riding out of the area without air-conditioning? Which would you rather pay?

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    72. Re:hmm.. by nobodie · · Score: 1

      What kids say and the reality of their world, and the real reality of the world are not always (how about "seldom") the same thing. And that goes for you too, honored P.

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    73. Re:hmm.. by nobodie · · Score: 1

      Having worked in shelters for the homeless, the vast majority of them have mental, psychological and emotional problems that make it almost impossible for them to function well in the modern world. They used to get help from social workers in government programs, before that they lived in, or transited into and out of, hospitals.
      President Carter thought, for good reasons, that the hospital system was more like a prison and they deserved to have a chance at self-determination: thus he supported homes/ group homes/ social service network to help them. It also saved money over the hospital system and gave the mentally disturbed who were functional enough a chance to build living skills.
      President Ronnie Raygun saw a chance to kill a government program and dumped their support services and subsidies for housing. They crashed onto the streets and the number and size of both the homeless population and the homeless charity services ballooned. But most Americans saw this as a good thing because, while it didn't decrease THEIR taxes, it did "decrease taxes" by an overall matter of cents per year when considered against the increase in cost of support for homeless service charities, police enforcement (my city, like most in the country, has a dedicated police group responsible for helping the homeless people in the city, so we pay for it when we pay for our local police now) and the destruction of public property and loss of property values in areas where homeless people congregate.
      Thank you Ronnie, you really helped make our world better.

      I was at a meeting a few weeks ago, and the head of the police homeless task force was there talking about the initiatives they were pushing: laws to stop people from pissing in public, trying to get homeless people to go to the shelters instead of hanging in the parks, stuff like that. Nobody, absolutely nobody wants to address the roots: these people need help, government help. Government is the only agency powerful enough to provide the services they need. Either the city must do it ( and if they did every fuckin homeless person in the southeast would move here, because no matter what you fools above say, they don't want to be in mental anguish and be the butt of your hatred) or the state (ditto the above paren) or the feds. Which means we need to get a clueful Congress and start to pay some reasonable taxes.

      If you want to solve a problem that is systemic, you need to PAY FOR a systemic solution. That requires the government because they operate the system. No, your vote does not operate the system, it influences the government, those are different things.

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  2. how "The Last of Us" starts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    tsia

    1. Re:how "The Last of Us" starts? by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      Or "Valley of the Wind."

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  3. The City Where People Are Afraid To Breathe by brian0918 · · Score: 0
    Isn't that an city in China that is mining rare earth metals for wind turbines?

    The lake instantly assaults your senses. Stand on the black crust for just seconds and your eyes water and a powerful, acrid stench fills your lungs. For hours after our visit, my stomach lurched and my head throbbed. We were there for only one hour, but those who live in Mr Yan’s village of Dalahai, and other villages around, breathe in the same poison every day.

    1. Re:The City Where People Are Afraid To Breathe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I wish Americans would realize that the dailymail is the UK's equivilent to the National Enquirer before posting links to it.

    2. Re:The City Where People Are Afraid To Breathe by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Isn't that an city in China that is mining rare earth metals for wind turbines?

      The lake instantly assaults your senses. Stand on the black crust for just seconds and your eyes water and a powerful, acrid stench fills your lungs.

      For hours after our visit, my stomach lurched and my head throbbed. We were there for only one hour, but those who live in Mr Yan’s village of Dalahai, and other villages around, breathe in the same poison every day.

      The price of 10% economic growth, quarter on quarter, year on year, for a decade has been widely documented in terms of human and environmental health. You can poison the land, river or an entire lake, but if you pour white paint into milk you meet the firing squad.

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    3. Re:The City Where People Are Afraid To Breathe by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      In China, the true cost of Britain's clean, green wind power experiment: Pollution on a disastrous scale

      They're being ridiculous. Nobody's forcing anyone in the UK to use rare-earth-based generators in wind turbines.

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    4. Re:The City Where People Are Afraid To Breathe by tragedy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Stories like that always make me wonder why the turbines in coal, gas, and nuclear plants don't use neodymium magnets. Why is it that only renewable energy sources have to use materials that cause environmental damage to extract, but the physical equipment for non-renewables are made out of 110% non-polluting unicorn giggles?

    5. Re:The City Where People Are Afraid To Breathe by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      I wish Americans would realize that the dailymail is the UK's equivilent to the National Enquirer before posting links to it.

      I do believe you're talking about the Guardian aren't you? After all, I've seen more complete news stories on the Dailymail about events within the US, than I've seen on US networks about the same events.

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    6. Re:The City Where People Are Afraid To Breathe by Applekid · · Score: 1

      In China, the true cost of Britain's clean, green wind power experiment: Pollution on a disastrous scale

      They're being ridiculous. Nobody's forcing anyone in the UK to use rare-earth-based generators in wind turbines.

      Neodymium magnets are the most powerful currently known. If each turbine uses 4400 pounds as the article suggests, just how many times more weight of ceramic magnets would have to be used to reach the same T?

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    7. Re:The City Where People Are Afraid To Breathe by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      My guess is that weight and size don't really matter for a big fixed plant, but do for a relatively small one located way up in the air.

    8. Re:The City Where People Are Afraid To Breathe by amorsen · · Score: 4, Informative

      Most wind turbines actually do not use neodymium magnets. They use plain old electromagnetic generators. However, to electromagnetic generators get inefficient at low speeds, so using electromagnetic generators also means using gears, possibly multi-stage. Coal, gas, and nuclear plants generally work with very hot steam. You can design your steam turbine for pretty much any rotational speed you want. No gears necessary.

      So why not just increase the rotational speed of wind turbines? You lose aerodynamic efficiency when the tip speed gets to a reasonable fraction of the speed of sound. To avoid gears and use electromagnetic generators on a typical 3MW wind turbine, you would need the tips to go faster than the speed of sound. Extracting power from the wind while going at supersonic speeds is a yet unsolved problem.

      If the use of permanent magnets was banned entirely from wind turbines, the market would not really change much. Some manufacturers would temporarily lose market share while they redesigned, but overall turbine price would not change dramatically.

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    9. Re:The City Where People Are Afraid To Breathe by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 1

      The Guardian is a leftist rag, the Daily Fail is a reactionary rag, they both exist to keep their readers outraged and unthinking. Don't let the dead trees fool you, they shouldn't be taken any more seriously than nutjob websites like Breitbart or Democratic Underground.

    10. Re:The City Where People Are Afraid To Breathe by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Wait, breitbart is a nutjob website? So a news organization that actually breaks news that other news organizations that won't, or don't want to cover it a nut job website. How interesting. I guess that NBC, ABC and CBS are bastions of full-on in depth reporting, which is why news reporters in the media rank just about above lawyers in terms of trust worthiness.

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    11. Re:The City Where People Are Afraid To Breathe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, breitbart is a nutjob website? So a news organization that actually breaks news that other news organizations that won't, or don't want to cover it a nut job website. How interesting. I guess that NBC, ABC and CBS are bastions of full-on in depth reporting, which is why news reporters in the media rank just about above lawyers in terms of trust worthiness.

      Nah, CBC is where it's at. See, I have this weird obsession with a neighboring country and its internal affairs, but they don't need any more right-wing Japanese-Americans, so I'm forced to blather on about my obsession on Slashdot.ca.

    12. Re:The City Where People Are Afraid To Breathe by quenda · · Score: 1

      The Guardian is a leftist rag, the Daily Fail is a reactionary rag, they both exist to keep their readers outraged and unthinking.

      No, The Guardian is a leftist (mainstream, middle-class) respectable paper, hardly in the same class as the Mail.

      True, Guardian readers are easily outraged, spitting out their morning latte over the latest politically incorrect injustice.
      But unlike Daily Mail readers, they are known to think.

    13. Re:The City Where People Are Afraid To Breathe by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      What ceramic magnets? What are you talking about? Most, if not all large (double-digit and triple-digit MW) generator installations that I'm aware of have been using three-phase induction generators, *not* any sort of generators with permanent magnet stators. The only thing you need in bulk for those is copper for the windings (plus whatever structural materials du jour you need to build it, of course). On one hand, current wind turbines are smaller, so neither of the two major generator designs has a clear edge over the other, but if it turns out that that we can't use rare earths for whatever reason (economical, environmental), it doesn't mean that we wont be able to build any more turbines. On the other hand, the average wind turbine is getting larger and larger, and you tend to see fewer permanent magnet designs as the generator size gets larger. (Also, the advances in power electronics and superconductor technology may well render rare earths in large installations obsolete one day, but that's more of a long-term prospect.)

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  4. Valley fever by mendax · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As if the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation doesn't have enough problems on its hands being forced to downsize the population of its myriad gulags, they have two prisons near Ground Zero of this disease and several more in the general vicinity. It would not be surprising if they are forced by a court eventually to close these prisons because of valley fever. I, for one, would be pleased to see a reversal in the trend in the United States to imprison instead of rehabilitate those who are eminently rehabilitatable.

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    1. Re:Valley fever by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Informative

      I, for one, would be pleased to see a reversal in the trend in the United States to imprison instead of rehabilitate those who are eminently rehabilitatable.

      Not going to happen, so long as we have people making money from an industrial prison complex.

      Potheads and repeat offenders are their bread-and-butter.

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    2. Re:Valley fever by Sparticus789 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The real problem is not prison population. The real problem is that urban areas like Los Angeles, San Diego, and San Francisco ship their prisoners to the Central Valley (more recently Arizona, Mississippi, and Oklahoma) because they do not want to pay for a prison in their own urban centers. Lower land costs, lower utility costs, and lower cost of living/labor makes the Central Valley a better place to house prisoners.

      My father-in-law works at one of these Central Valley prisons, and I can tell you that his entire prison (3,000) does not fall within the category of rehabilitation. The entire prison is for people who were transferred from other prisons for murdering another prisoner or who were convicted of murder prior to being jailed. Not exactly the type of people that respond well to counseling and talk therapy. More like the kind of people that would stab you with a metal pen.

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    3. Re:Valley fever by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I, for one, would be pleased to see a reversal in the trend in the United States to imprison instead of rehabilitate those who are eminently rehabilitatable.

      What is your plan for rehabilition? Serious question.

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    4. Re:Valley fever by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      I, for one, would be pleased to see a reversal in the trend in the United States to imprison instead of rehabilitate those who are eminently rehabilitatable.

      What is your plan for rehabilition? Serious question.

      Detox, a focus on education while in the system, and removal of post-release punishments (like not being able to vote) are a good place to start.

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    5. Re:Valley fever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, I never knew disenfranchisement was actually a thing in modern countries.

    6. Re:Valley fever by dkleinsc · · Score: 2

      It would not be surprising if they are forced by a court eventually to close these prisons because of valley fever.

      It would not be surprising, because it's already happened.

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    7. Re:Valley fever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real problem is not prison population. The real problem is that urban areas like Los Angeles, San Diego, and San Francisco ship their prisoners to the Central Valley (more recently Arizona, Mississippi, and Oklahoma) because they do not want to pay for a prison in their own urban centers. Lower land costs, lower utility costs, and lower cost of living/labor makes the Central Valley a better place to house prisoners.

      It works this way in SimCity, too!

    8. Re:Valley fever by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      Add mental health care and therapy to that. Fix the economic incentives and personal problems that can lead back to crime and you could very well create responsible citizens.

    9. Re:Valley fever by tragedy · · Score: 1

      The entire prison is for people who were transferred from other prisons for murdering another prisoner...

      Murder before entering prison is one thing, I take "murders" committed after being imprisoned with a grain of salt since there are quite a few jurisdictions where the courts have upheld that prisoners have no right of self-defense.

    10. Re:Valley fever by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Vallely Fever comes and goes. It is not "common" so a lot of doctors don't know about it or know to test for it. There isn't a ground zero for it, it's endemic all over the southwest and into Mexico. This includes the entire state of Arizona and the southern half of California. No one knows why there's a current spike in King's County. This is not a disease restricted to dumb people in rural areas, it can strike in cities as well, even places where hipsters live. The problem is exacerbated due to ignorance of the disease combined with overall lack of health care.

      If they move prisons out of there, then what about the large number of people who are not prisoners who live there, who greatly outnumber the prisoners?

    11. Re:Valley fever by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      It's not a prison problem. It just happens that there are a couple prisons near where there is a current outbreak. This disease is also endemic in Arizona. So what happens when you move the prisoners to Phoenix and a big outbreak happens there? Or move them to LA and an outbreak happens there? It's called San Joaquin Velly Fever but only because that's where it first became widely known to the general public, but it is endemic to huge swaths of the south west.

    12. Re:Valley fever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a prison problem insofar as prisoners don't get to choose where they live and shouldn't be forced to live in a place that makes them ill (at least not in a country that wants to call itself civilised).

    13. Re:Valley fever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not. Were you under the impression that we in the USA are still citizens of a modern country?

    14. Re:Valley fever by slew · · Score: 1

      Wow, I never knew disenfranchisement was actually a thing in modern countries.

      Although most countries in the EU allow prisoners to vote, some countries like Begium, Finland and Iceland have differing rules on felony disenfranchisement that end post release (depending on the seriousness of the crime). In the UK, this is currently a hot topic as recently, the European Court of Human Rights issued a final ruling that the UK needs to change its law that stipulated felony disenfranchisement whilst incarcerated. However, to my knowledge the law has not changed on this yet.

      Similarly, each state in the US has slightly varying rules. For example, in Vermont and Maine felons can vote whilst incarcerated, where in Massachusetts disenfranchisement ends when a prisoner is released, in California felony disenfranchisement ends after parole, and in Virginia and Kentucky the only recourse is to petition the governor. However, most states are similar to the UK (can't vote whilst incarcerated).

      Of course it goes the other way too. For example, in Japan, felons can vote whilst incarcerated, but homeless people can't vote (because they are currently not allowed to register with temporary accomodations as an address). Also until just recently, if you were under a guardianship in Japan (kinda like britney spears) you couldn't vote either. Of course in Japan, there are quite a few obsticles to naturalization for a person born a non-citizen to obtain citizenship and thus voting rights in the first place so they are probably an outlier...

    15. Re:Valley fever by steveg · · Score: 1

      Yes for Arizona, not so much for LA. LA is not the right climate for Valley Fever.

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    16. Re:Valley fever by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Detox doesn't really work (and technically we already do it, unless they smuggle drugs in illegally). People go right back to whatever substance they were on.

      Focus on education is a good idea, although harder to do than to say. Designing an education program for prisoners isn't easy, starting with the fact that not many would want to work there.

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    17. Re:Valley fever by cffrost · · Score: 1

      Add mental health care and therapy to that. Fix the economic incentives and personal problems that can lead back to crime and you could very well create responsible citizens.

      Leave it to the US prison-industrial complex to turn "therapy" into (what I consider to be) a violation of the Eighth Amendment.

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    18. Re:Valley fever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remove prison from private companies, and a lot of pour prison population problem will be gone in a few short years.

  5. Fear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We wouldn't want a whole bunch of people's property value to go down for doing something like that would we!

  6. Moderators asleep at the job by Sparticus789 · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the summary:

    It never leaves the body and symptoms can be triggered again.

    From the linked article

    The infection ordinarily resolves leaving the patient with a specific immunity to re-infection.

    Both cannot be true.

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    1. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's very clear that the article is doomsday scaremongering, but a specific immunity to re-infection does not negate the possibility of getting infected with one of the related spores. As for symptoms being triggered later in life, that can be true of any pathogen that does damage which is not trivially repairable. Tuberculosis is another such damaging pathogen, it also causes permanent damage to lung structures which reduce the efficiency of oxygen transfer for life (and has a worse survival rate for equal levels of treatment).

      So, half truths phrased to inspire fear.

    2. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      As an infected person, I can tell you the wikipedia article is incorrect. For more information visit valleyfeversurvivor.org.

    3. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by mendax · · Score: 1

      From the summary:

      It never leaves the body and symptoms can be triggered again.

      From the linked article

      The infection ordinarily resolves leaving the patient with a specific immunity to re-infection.

      Both cannot be true.

      Yes they can. The body can obtain an immunity to it but not completely leave. Think HIV or the various herpes viruses.

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    4. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're seriously going to try to talk logic and Slashdot editors at the same time? Really?

      You're lucky the linked article has anything to do with the summary, or that the link to the article even works. The place is a toilet. A finely polished, white porcelain toilet that doesn't have quite as many piss-stains on the seat as a 4chan or reddit, but at the end of the day it's still a big bowl of shit.

    5. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by Qzukk · · Score: 3, Informative

      Both cannot be true.

      The Shingles says they can.

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    6. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by Sparticus789 · · Score: 1

      I really dig that scrolling menu bar at the top of your website.

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    7. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can get infected by HIV from another person even if you already have it.

      Herpes there's many strain, you can get it twice and while you might have been asymptomatic with the first one you could get something recurring the second time around.

      Fun times :)

    8. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by Sparticus789 · · Score: 0

      Shingles is a virus, Valley Fever is a fungus that gets inhaled. They are not the same.

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    9. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by asdfman2000 · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are multiple forms of infection. I recently got taken out by this for about a week and had to go on intense anti-fungal meds. Most people just get a minor rash and flu-like symptoms and it goes away on its own. Few even realize they had it.

      There is a form that basically remains dormant in your system for the rest of your life, however it's rare and mostly only affects immunocompromised people.

      Some people treat Valley Fever like some doomsday infection, and some sites like valleyfeversurvivor.org have communities of people acting like it's the source of all their health problems regardless of whether or not it's actually true.

    10. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      They can certainly be true.

      The infection is growing fungus in your lungs. The symptoms are caused by the fungus physically being there.

      Specific Immunity means immunity to only that specific strain, and not any mutations of it, which happen regularly, and in parallel. It's even possible to be immediately re-infected with a different strain if exposed to the same conditions.

      It also doesn't remove the crap that has built up in your lungs - which at a later date can cause irritation, and a resurgence of symptoms without requiring re-infection. Fungus can be a major problem - when it grows, it sends roots all through the infected tissue, and those roots, even if they're killed, are still there. You can't scrape them off, since they're embedded in the tissue itself.

    11. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by Sparticus789 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Not all coccidioidomycosis is created equally. But "rare and immune-compromised" doesn't make for flashy headlines.

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    12. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by asmkm22 · · Score: 2

      Thanks, I've always wondered what it would be like to time travel back to the late 90's.

    13. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      While I have not had the pleasure to meet coccidioidomycosis, I did acquire an acute case of aspergillosis. There is simply no cure. Daily doses of multiple anti-fungals only slows the continued decline in health. Pulmonary CT scans show extensive damage, pulmonary function tests at 29% and declining. For those who have truly dealt with an internal fungal infection I can understand crying doomsday. Me, I'm generally too busy just trying to make it through the day to be with my kids when they are not in school.

    14. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by asdfman2000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As another "infected person", valleyfeversurvivor.org Is filled with misinformation and fear-mongering. The community is filled with hypochondriacs blaming everything from smelly farts to tooth loss on the disease.

      Valley fever is no more dangerous than the flu. Most people who get it recover on their own with no complications and sometimes without even realizing they had it. Rare cases result in long term problems or death, but again, those are extremely rare.

      Talk to your doctor if you have questions.

    15. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by shadowrat · · Score: 1

      From the summary:

      It never leaves the body and symptoms can be triggered again.

      From the linked article

      The infection ordinarily resolves leaving the patient with a specific immunity to re-infection.

      Both cannot be true.

      isn't this the case with chicken pox? I had it as a kid. I'm now immune. As i understand it, the virus is still lurking within me and can make a comeback at some point, if i am severely weakened, as shingles.

    16. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by sexconker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Shingles is a virus, Valley Fever is a fungus that gets inhaled. They are not the same.

      So what? Both are obviously true despite your claim that they can't be. Virus vs. fungus has no bearing on it.

      0) You can be infected with something.
      1) You can fight it off and become immune to it.
      2) You can later be reinfected by the remnants that still remain in your body - because the infectious agent has changed, because your immune system has failed/been overwhelmed, because your specific immunity has gone away, or because the mechanism of infection (or location in your body) is different (even if the infectious agent is unchanged).

    17. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The fungal spores enter the body and cause an infection which triggers symptoms. Normally the infection subsides and causes the patient to be immune to reinfection, but the spores are forever present inside your body. Sometimes patients do not become immune to reinfection and, since the spores never leave the body, get reinfected without any new outside spores being necessary.

      In both cases the spores are forever present inside the patients body, the only difference is whether they became immune to symptoms (the normal case) or the infection becomes chronic and deadly.

    18. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by sjames · · Score: 2

      yes, they can be and are both true.

      SOME infected people never develop symptoms at all. Others develop severe flu-like symptoms and then clear the infection. less fortunate individuals develop a chronic infection which may never be cleared. Still less fortunate people develop the chronic disseminated form of the disease.

      Perhaps you should try reading more than the introduction to the linked article. All of this is in there.

    19. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1

      The common cold.

      Your body becomes immune to the virus after infection. However, there are so many variants of the virus that manifest as 'the common cold' that people average true virus induced 'colds' once per year.

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    20. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by Sparticus789 · · Score: 1

      And "less fortunate" individuals can develop a chronic infection from the common cold and have a lasting impact. Where are the Doomsday articles about the dangers of the common cold?

      The important facts of the story are simple, millions of people live and travel through this area (lived in the central valley for the first 10 years of my life) and never develop symptoms. A small percentage, small enough that people still live and travel here, develop symptoms that have a small chance of death, a href=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57583038/valley-fever-rates-rising-in-western-united-states/> only 265 out of 18,776 reported cases from 2001 to 2008 resulted in death, a 1.4% fatality rate. Since most cases are not reported, the actual fatality rate is much lower.

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    21. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do not need to be weakened or sick to get shingles. I had it when I was 43 and I did not have a compromised immune system or the cold/flu at the time. Doctors told me I am unlikely to get it again, but I play MMOs with a fellow that has suffered from shingles twice and he is still in his 30s, so this worries me.

    22. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by sjames · · Score: 1

      The problem is that you claimed that it was IMPOSSIBLE for both to be true, not that the mild course is by far the more common (it is). You are as guilty as TFA in the other direction.

    23. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by bdwebb · · Score: 1

      This is very correct. Unless it is untreated for a SIGNIFICANT amount of time, it causes relatively little permanent damage if any at all.

      I live in Bakersfield, CA and have for 30 years without getting 'infected' and for a 6-7 years I was landscaping in the dust and sun for my dad. By the same token, however, my best friend also worked with me for a couple years and did get Valley Fever. I know many people who have had Valley Fever but the percentage of people is similar to or less than those who get the Flu so this is absolutely full on fearmongering. As previously stated, it does take a lot of time to recover and it sucks A LOT, however, with treatment it goes away.

      For everyone out there scared by this, don't be. You can get it, sure...if you do, it sucks. The likelihood that you will get it, though, is very small...just don't snort lines of dust like it is cocaine or inhale deeply when a little dust devil passes you by and you will almost certainly be fine...you know, normal behavior.

    24. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      I have added another sentence to the wiki to correct the misleading issue. Most people can get over Valley Fever for good, but for some, Valley Fever does not ever go away completely. For these people, it never leaves the body and symptoms can be triggered again.

    25. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by Khashishi · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have a chronic form of Valley Fever, and I can attest that it is no joke. It might be true that on average it is less dangerous than the flu, but for some people it is much, much worse than the flu. If you restrict your domain to people who "actually suffer" from Valley Fever, then within that population, it is a very serious disease. So I guess you can play around with words and call Valley Fever a very common, mild disease, or a very rare, serious disease. If you call just the disseminated form of the disease Valley Fever, then it's usually fatal. Your statements are just not fair to people who suffer serious complications from the disease.

      I think it's fairer to consider Valley Fever to be a rare, serious disease than a common benign disease because the difference between an asymptomatic infection and a chronic sufferer is so great.

    26. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      Or, as in many or all chronic sufferers, one never develops a specific immunity.

    27. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      I agree that Valley Fever isn't as bad as influenza, possibly the deadliest disease in the history of humankind, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't worry about it. We have flu vaccines. Why no cocci vaccine?

    28. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by steveg · · Score: 1

      Are you sure you've never had it?

      Lots of people in Bakersfield have had it that didn't realize it at the time, and unless they've been tested specifically for it may still not realize it. A mild case might seem like a bad cold.

      I had a moderate case that was called bronchial pneumonia (40 some years ago) and it wasn't until I got a skin test as part of a phyical exam that I discovered I had already had it.

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    29. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by DrProton · · Score: 1

      I can confirm this. I had coccidioidomycosis years ago and recovered on my own with no medical treatment. I have had no symptoms for more than 20 years. It was pretty bad when it hit me, I was weakened. The immediate effect is weakness. It laid me low for about two weeks. But then I recovered, and it faded away.

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    30. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by Slayer · · Score: 1

      Moderation system kicked me again. Posting to remove wrong moderation, please ignore

    31. Re:Moderators asleep at the job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has twice the mortality rate of the flu. Yea, there are a shit load of alarmist idiots, but don't think it's not bad.

  7. I expected China, but here in the US? by erroneus · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Surprising. It's a "new low" in the US as far as I'm concerned. If an area is not safe for human habitation, it needs to be closed off.

    "Why don't they tell people?!" What?! And have property values in the area plummet costing the banks loads of money?! NEVER. We don't often like to mention it, but it's a fact and we say it every day in rather indirect ways, but human lives and human suffering are not as important as money. It's a fact. You can claim otherwise all day long, but at the end of the day, when it comes down do it, a human life is less important than money -- even SMALL AMOUNTS of money to those who stand to lose it.

    1. Re:I expected China, but here in the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is most likely due to supply and demand. IN that respect and with 7 billion people on the planet human life is cheaper than it's ever been. Out of seven billion a few thousand is peanuts. You could wipe them out and still never be able to meet everyone else in your entire lifetime even if that's all YOU DID!!

    2. Re:I expected China, but here in the US? by jcdenhartog · · Score: 2

      Then you would have to close off the southwest United States. While the San Joaquin Valley has the most cases, I live in much farther south in CA and know two people who had valley fever serious enough to end up in the hospital. So it is not uncommon elsewhere in the southwest as well.

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    3. Re:I expected China, but here in the US? by gandhi_2 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Most of the medical professionals and vetrinarians in my area of southwest Utah know about it.

      It's no secret.

      People gotta live somewhere. Fires, floods, earthquakes, malaria, congressmen, natural radiation, natural heavy metals in ground water... every place has some problem.

      It isn't like we are talking about bubonic plague running rampant. What should the government do? Spray bleach over everything? Kick people off their own property?

    4. Re:I expected China, but here in the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If an area is not safe for human habitation, it needs to be closed off.

      Agreed, let's quarantine Detroit.

    5. Re:I expected China, but here in the US? by Tailhook · · Score: 2

      On a windy day you can pick up a hantavirus infection as well if you're near any varmint feces in a Western state. HPS fatality rate is 50%. Doctors know about it and they're not telling anybody. We need to close off New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona, California, Washington, Texas, Utah and Montana.

      Or not. Life is risky and temporary. Your wish to invoke power to assuage a brand new fear or outrage you were given sometime during the last 10 minutes is a result of training. You're behaving exactly as intended.

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    6. Re:I expected China, but here in the US? by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >Surprising. It's a "new low" in the US as far as I'm concerned. If an area is not safe for human habitation, it needs to be closed off. "Why don't they tell people?!"

      It's no big secret. People who live there know about it. God alone knows why they live there. If you go to Avenal and look around, you can see 20+ really good reasons not to live there before you even think about Valley Fever.

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    7. Re:I expected China, but here in the US? by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      Most of the medical professionals and vetrinarians in my area of southwest Utah know about it.

      It's no secret.

      People gotta live somewhere. Fires, floods, earthquakes, malaria, congressmen, natural radiation, natural heavy metals in ground water... every place has some problem.

      It isn't like we are talking about bubonic plague running rampant. What should the government do? Spray bleach over everything? Kick people off their own property?

      Funny you mention that: the bubonic plague is endemic throughout the American southwest and there are reported cases in people every year. Prairie dogs, among other rodents, carry it. (Most common cause of infection is outdoor cats getting plague-infected fleas that have left dead prairie dogs, then bringing the disease home to their owners.)

      And as for the where-should-we-live, I made a map of natural disasters in the US a while ago when people were on about how anyone would be dumb enough to live in Norman, Oklahoma. Between hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, tidal waves, forest fires, flash floods, bubonic plague, volcanoes, and a couple of other things, the only place I've found that looks fairly safe in the entire US is somewhat east of Pocatello, Idaho.

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    8. Re:I expected China, but here in the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I will remember that next time I get flack from a western state person for living in a hurricane and tornado zone. At least my natural disasters you can predict and mitigate.

      This planet can and will fuck your day up.

    9. Re:I expected China, but here in the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can claim otherwise all day long, but at the end of the day, when it comes down do it, a human life is less important than money -- even SMALL AMOUNTS of money to those who stand to lose it.

      Not to knock you off your sanctimonious pedestal or anything (who am I kidding? That's exactly what I'm doing) but that applies to you - and I mean you, personally - too. No one sees you driving around in a $300,000 foam rubber car, do they? Oh, such a car doesn't exist? Then why haven't you built one?

    10. Re:I expected China, but here in the US? by Njoyda+Sauce · · Score: 1

      somewhat east of Pocatello, Idaho looks like right in the middle of this:
      http://ddrevival.blogspot.com/2007/03/yellowstone-supereruption_6320.html

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    11. Re:I expected China, but here in the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Safe from natural disasters, sure. But Idaho National Laboratories is in that region, and they do tons of nuclear research, including running a bunch of ancient nuclear reactors.

      Also, you're right next to Craters of the Moon National Monument, where only two thousand years ago the Earth randomly split open and spewed forth ridiculous amounts of lava, like something out of a bad SyFy Channel movie, except way more spectacular. And it's still geologically active.

      Granted, for nerds those are probably more incentives than anything. I drove US-20 from ocean to ocean, and that area was probably the most memorable for me.

    12. Re:I expected China, but here in the US? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      And yet people live there. The vast majority of people in the world did not make a decision about where to live, they live where they are because they have little opportunity to move somewhere else.

    13. Re:I expected China, but here in the US? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      He did say "fairly safe" so I think he was tracking things that happen more than once every 600,000 years. And also things that won't simply bury half the US in ash and cause a global "nuclear winter" equivalent.

    14. Re:I expected China, but here in the US? by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

      There are sections of the western US where asbestos occurs naturally in the soil. Here in the east we have Lyme Disease and West Nile causing trouble.

    15. Re:I expected China, but here in the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would rather live in an earthquake zone and have one every so may years, than dealing with tornadoes, blizzards, humid hot summers, freezing cold winters, black ice, and hail, every fucking year. I cannot even see the damn lanes of the roads in most other states when it is raining hard because there are no reflectors or raised lane markers. And don't tell me it is because of plowing, California has submerged reflectors on roads that see snow in the winter.

    16. Re:I expected China, but here in the US? by kallen3 · · Score: 1

      have to agree that it is no secret, we hear about it and talk about here in Phoenix on a regular basis. Almost everyone who has lived here for any length of time has had it at least once. AS another poster pointed out it is like the bubonic plague here. Almost anyone who lived here for more than a year or two are aware that the jack rabbits here are infected with it. But mentioned it to someone from the more urbanized areas they are always taken by surprise. Must be the ultra urban snobbery.

    17. Re:I expected China, but here in the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's far easier to leave the southwest nowadays than it was to get there in the first place. Most people who consider that they have little opportunity to move somewhere else only think so. A reason why one can't move is also a reason why one would rather stay put. The vast majority of people in the world did not need to make a decision about where to live because the vast majority have preferred where they're at, what means "home" and the need to have a place that is "home". The invention of agriculture favored stay-put-ers over wanderers. We are a mostly a stay put people now.

  8. Not news to smart would-be home buyers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As somebody who has considered the Valley for a relief from sky-high Bay Area housing costs, this is not news. When you're considering such a commitment you research everything if you're smart. Valley air quality ranks 1.8 to 2.5 on a scale of 1 to 10. The best air quality is north of the Golden Gate. Sonoma is excellent, although not really commutable to Silicon Valley. It comes close to 10. If you can stay out of the central valley, the southern reaches of the Santa Clara valley are not bad. Anything closer to the coast tends to have better AQI. Buyer beware of course. I've seen places in zones of excellent AQI, but there's heavy local pollution because everybody in the neighborhood is burning their wood stoves even when they shouldn't, or it's next to a gas station.

    I ran across the subject of Valley Fever in the course of all that research too. Lots of interesting things come out along those lines. For example, when the Russian River floods, that's not the end of your problems. Allegedly the flood waters left behind silt deposits which bred microbes, which got blown around as dust when it dried out too. I don't recall what it was though; something other than Valley Fever most likely...

  9. Nice scare article. Too bad it's bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A quick Google search reveals that it's very unlikely you'll actually get it unless you're immunodepressed.

    1. Re:Nice scare article. Too bad it's bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone else just loses a few days of work to hack up blood while their immune system goes to town on it.

      Come visit lovely San Joaquin Valley! A great place to live, work and play!

  10. Why don't they tell people? by PPH · · Score: 1

    Because of the San Joaquin Valley Chamber of Commerce?

    Beware of property owners' rights trumping everything else.

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  11. I wonder by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

    If Doc Holiday had this instead of his diagnosed tuberculosis.

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  12. Templar, AZ? by Sowelu · · Score: 1

    First thing I thought of, really.

  13. The Last of Us by BillCable · · Score: 1

    And you guys thought those Clickers were fiction...

  14. This thing is very common. by Entropius · · Score: 5, Informative

    I lived for a while in Tucson. Pretty much anyone who's outdoors in the desert much is likely to get it; in most people there are either no symptoms or flu-like symptoms. My PhD advisor had to have major surgery, and in the pre-surgery physical they found some characteristic scar tissue in his lungs and commented that he'd had valley fever at some point; he had no idea.

    I'm pretty sure I had it; I got an unexplained very high fever and "flu-like" muscle pains along with a cough, but no sinus congestion at the end of my first year there.

    1. Re:This thing is very common. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in tucson and have those symptoms right now. Can you please tell me more?
      What can I do to get rid of this?? (if that is what i have)

    2. Re:This thing is very common. by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 0

      Yep, I lived in Tucson myself for about 2 years. I'm pretty sure I had it at some point as the doctors at the hospital I worked at said that pretty much everybody is exposed to it at some point within their first six months in the area. I had a couple flu-like illnesses that could've qualified as valley fever.

      Nobody really warns about it because its so common and most people have no symptoms or mild symptoms that resolve themselves.

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    3. Re:This thing is very common. by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 1

      There are tests for it, and presumably a common antifungal drug could treat it.

      Don't panic, though. It's not really that dangerous in very many people.

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    4. Re:This thing is very common. by dywolf · · Score: 1

      one of those things where msot folks get it, and get over it, and thats the end of the story, with only a minor population developing an adverse or chronic condition. the article is essentially FUD

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    5. Re:This thing is very common. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People in Phoenix know about valley fever. Most think that it is named after Phoenix' nickname: Valley of the Sun.

    6. Re:This thing is very common. by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      There is also histoplasmosis in the Ohio and Mississippi River valleys. You expect to see a couple of small calcifications in the lungs of people who have lived in one or both for any length of time.

    7. Re:This thing is very common. by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      Won't the desert being the exact opposite environment that fungus would exist in?

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    8. Re:This thing is very common. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can go do a doctor, retard.

    9. Re:This thing is very common. by slew · · Score: 2

      Won't the desert being the exact opposite environment that fungus would exist in?

      When it's in the dry desert soil, these fungi (Coccidioides immitis) are dormant. When it rains, it grows into mold and then yields spores. Then when it's dry again after a rainy spell, the spores detach and blow in the wind. The spores want an environment just like your lungs so if they happen to end up there, it's party time for them.

      How did this fungus get to located in the desert in the first place? Who knows, but it's there in the soil, probably longer that humans were around.

      Of course there are also other fungi like Cryptococcus gattii (a kind of yeast-like fungi) which fit the more traditional view as they thrive in the humid pacific northwest (Vancouver, Washington, Oregon) and wreak their havok on people there...

      Basically fungi are everywhere...

  15. Doubtful by Valdrax · · Score: 1

    [I wonder] If Doc Holiday had this instead of his diagnosed tuberculosis.

    Doubtful since he was living in Atlanta when he contracted TB and moved out West in the hopes it would improve his symptoms.

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  16. Don't worry, it's organic by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Funny

    Organic and natural things are good for you, right?

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    1. Re:Don't worry, it's organic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did somebody not hug you enough as a child?

    2. Re:Don't worry, it's organic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Organic and natural things are good for you, right?

      When organic means food produced in accordance with USDA organic guidelines, yes. Absolutely.

    3. Re:Don't worry, it's organic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah like AIDS, the Black Plague, volcanoes, and floods.

    4. Re:Don't worry, it's organic by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      When organic means food produced in accordance with USDA organic guidelines, yes. Absolutely.

      I guarantee that you are creative enough to come up with some products produced in accordance with the USDA organic guidelines that aren't good for you.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    5. Re:Don't worry, it's organic by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

      The deadliest poisons are organic products.

      Botulitim
      Ricin
      Dart Frog Venom
      Beaked Sea Snake Venom
      Strychnine
      Amatoxin
      Fiddleback Spider Venom

    6. Re:Don't worry, it's organic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are a lot of ways to measure toxicity such as LD50

      The term "deadly" isn't quantified as far as I know. A lot of practical matters come into play. I'm not afraid of Beaked Sea Snakes since AFAIK they don't live around here. I've come close to being poisoned to death by grain alcohol because it's available. Polonium isn't generally sold for fun at convenience stores.

    7. Re:Don't worry, it's organic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole organic food thing is a scam.

      Nothing but silicon based foods for me.

    8. Re:Don't worry, it's organic by xorbe · · Score: 1

      free range whooooosh!

    9. Re:Don't worry, it's organic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take two lightning bolts and call me in the morning.

    10. Re:Don't worry, it's organic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ionizing radiation can have an LD50 of about 6 joules per kilogram, and 6 joules is about 0.07 femtograms. I think that's the lowest LD50 of them all.

    11. Re:Don't worry, it's organic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It's the dose that make the poison". Too much of anything will kill you.

  17. Our dog got valley fever and died last year in AZ by idioto · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Your pets can get this too, especially if they eat dirt. It's something to be aware of, since the vets took a couple of months figuring it out. It's the sort of thing if you want an expedited diagnosis you probably have to bring up yourself, so it's good to see it getting a little publicity so maybe doctors will become more aware in other parts of the country/world.

  18. Not mystifying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Having lived in Avenal as a child, I contracted valley fever. Let me say it's an extremely miserable illness and I couldn't even get out of bed for weeks.

    But there's nothing mystifying about the spread of it. It's found in dry soil that's kicked up when the wind blows. Congress has cut off a large amount of water in this state, so now the whole damn place is a giant dried out tinderbox waiting to go up in flames.

    Drive up I-5 and CA-99, you'll see the signs everywhere: "Congress Created Dust Bowl" or "Man-made Drought." Look at satellite imagery of CA, the Central Valley used to be nearly solid green. Now it's mostly brown, dead, dried out.

    Thanks, EPA.

    1. Re:Not mystifying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having lived in Avenal as a child, I contracted valley fever. Let me say it's an extremely miserable illness and I couldn't even get out of bed for weeks.

      But there's nothing mystifying about the spread of it. It's found in dry soil that's kicked up when the wind blows. Congress has cut off a large amount of water in this state, so now the whole damn place is a giant dried out tinderbox waiting to go up in flames.

      Drive up I-5 and CA-99, you'll see the signs everywhere: "Congress Created Dust Bowl" or "Man-made Drought." Look at satellite imagery of CA, the Central Valley used to be nearly solid green. Now it's mostly brown, dead, dried out.

      Thanks, EPA.

      Well, Justin Beiber has a few swimming pools to fill at his LA mansion.

    2. Re:Not mystifying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congress has cut off a large amount of water in this state, so now the whole damn place is a giant dried out tinderbox waiting to go up in flames.

      Drive up I-5 and CA-99, you'll see the signs everywhere: "Congress Created Dust Bowl" or "Man-made Drought." Look at satellite imagery of CA, the Central Valley used to be nearly solid green. Now it's mostly brown, dead, dried out.

      Thanks, EPA.

      Congress cut off a large amount of water in this state how? Did they use the GWB weather machine to make it stop raining? Congress EPA. Different branches of government; and furthermore the Executive bureaucracy over the last decade increasingly makes its own laws without Congress.

      Or do you mean that the Central Valley used to be green due to public engineering creating a non-native abundance of water, and now the area is returning to its native state of how it used to used to be 200 years ago?

    3. Re:Not mystifying by istartedi · · Score: 1

      Congress cut off a large amount of water in this state how? Did they use the GWB weather machine to make it stop raining?

      I think your question is rhetorical; but they diverted water from agricultural use into the Delta. This had two purposes. 1. Fish habitat restoration. 2. Prevention of salt-water intrusion into the Delta, which is part of the water supply for East Bay counties.

      Or do you mean that the Central Valley used to be green due to public engineering creating a non-native abundance of water, and now the area is returning to its native state of how it used to used to be 200 years ago?

      If anything, the Valley was wetter 200 years ago.

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  19. What's 'mystifying' about it? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    The place is a goddamn dust bowl. I'm surprised a lot more people aren't sick from all the crap (fertilizer, insecticides, etc.) the farmers spill on the ground

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  20. Sounds familiar by Cornwallis · · Score: 1

    I lived in Phoenix, Arizona in the early 80s and seem to recall this being a problem there - only they called it Desert Fever. Phoenix was in the midst of a huge building boom and the "fever" was caused from all the building taking place...dust getting kicked up quite a bit.

    1. Re:Sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Desert fever was/is just another name for Valley Fever. I had it too and lived in Phoenix in the late 70's early 80's. It always freaked out my Doctors when they would see my lung x-rays. Loved having to explain that no I wasn't a smoker that was from valley fever and then having to teach them what coccidioidomycosis was to a MD.

  21. "They" do tell people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assuming you mean media / the press / people who live in the area and don't expect the actual Chamber of Commerce to do anything [in general, end of sentence] that would hurt commerce:

    A trip through Google News archives -
    2009: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=valley-fever-hotter-wind
    Even as far back in the media as 2001: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1709617.stm

    I lived in Phoenix for four years, it's a pretty well-known issue. I'm not saying it's okay, that awareness shouldn't be raised, or that current efforts are nearly sufficient. But you can find a string of these articles, usually in the summer, when the issue pops up, people get outraged, then everything cools down (as much as is possible in the Southwest).

  22. Why don't they tell?????? by jayteedee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why don't they tell people that the southwest is full of sharp plants???
    Why don't they tell people that the southwest if HOT???
    Why don't they tell people that "it's a dry heat"???
    Because most southwesterners already KNOW, that's why. Few people have problems from valley fever(1 in 1000, or 1 in 5000 depending on source). And all the medical people will test for it first when a patient comes in experiencing a bad "fever". Even the people that have it (or have noticeable symptoms) usually can overcome it themselves without any medical treatment.

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    1. Re:Why don't they tell?????? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Every region has its quirks, and what's considered common in one place can be utterly foreign in another. In the US alone, we have a number of regional ailments or conditions, ranging from serious stuff like Lyme disease and West Nile virus to relatively benign stuff like hay fever or fire ants (which are apparently being displaced by crazy ants). Obviously there are concerns that are even more localized than those, but a capable doctor should be aware of most and should be asking if you've visited any places recently if they run into something they don't recognize.

    2. Re:Why don't they tell?????? by azcoyote · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's funny, I'm from Arizona and Valley Fever has never been a big deal to us. We don't even think about it, because it's usually never dangerous. I've thought that perhaps it's more dangerous for people who don't grow up around it, because we have been exposed to it in small levels for a long time. Whatever the case, it is likely that the incidence of the disease is higher than recorded, since it is often just written off as a flu-like illness unless it is severe.

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  23. 'Why don't they tell people?'" by Tempest_2084 · · Score: 1

    Umm... They do. Valley Fever isn't some new mystery illness that's popped up in the last few years, it's been around for a long time and pretty much everyone who lives in areas where it's common knows about it (or at least I they should). Maybe this is news in the UK, but it's old hat here.

    1. Re:'Why don't they tell people?'" by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I'm from Texas and have been in or near the areas affected, and I've never heard of it.

    2. Re:'Why don't they tell people?'" by s0nicfreak · · Score: 1

      I've lived in California and Phoenix and this is the first I've ever heard of it.

      Perhaps they talk about it on tv and in newspapers, and therefore assume everyone knows... but I don't watch tv, didn't read the newspaper nor own a tv when I lived in California and Phoenix, and the one person I knew that owned one in either of those places didn't have an antenna and just used it for watching DVDs. (And I'm not talking about being one of those hoity-toity, too good for tv people; admittedly, I was too poor to own one when I lived in those places, and my friends were as well).

      I remember signs warning me to remember to drink water in California and Phoenix (and that is sort of obvious, because I get thirsty)... why not have something like "Now entering a high Valley Fever spore area" signs?

    3. Re:'Why don't they tell people?'" by rk · · Score: 1

      Because your chances of killing yourself wandering around out here in the summer without water are MUCH higher than your chances of contracting Valley Fever. I've lived in the Phoenix area for 12 years and it's pretty much common knowledge as far as I can tell.

      And thirst is not a good guide for when to drink. By the time you even feel thirst, you are already on your way to dehydration. That goes even more for hot dry places like Phoenix.

  24. npr shots by westlake · · Score: 4, Informative
  25. Because you should have known by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's the usual excuse from people when they don't tell you something. It's like real estate.

  26. Old saw still applies by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In undeveloped countries, don't drink the water. In developed countries, don't breathe the air.

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  27. Today I learned... by superid · · Score: 1

    We had a prisoner of war camp in Arizona during WWII.

  28. Common in Arizona by bjdevil66 · · Score: 1

    When I read the headline I thought it was something new and sinister to worry about, but valley fever? This is nothing new - at least here in Arizona. As a kid growing up here in the 70s and 80s there was a public service announcement on TV about it played pretty often (Channel 5 maybe?). (Imagine a scene in a small farming town, near a cotton or alfalfa field, on a hot, dry summer day. A tractor is discing a field in the background, kicking up a wall of dust behind it, in the warped light of the baking summer sun. Cue a narrator's voice - "dusty... Dusty... Dusty... DUSTY...")

    This is only based on my Arizona experience and as a "study of one", but FWIW:

    1) People who grow up in AZ from the start don't seem to have as much trouble with it as those who move here at some point. I have heard a couple of stories of people having to move away from Arizona solely because of it, but that is pretty rare to hear about.

    2) Unlike diseases where you get a specific set of symptoms, different people respond to valley fever differently. My entire family (4th or 5th generation Arizonans) grew up on a small farm in rural AZ, and none of us ever experienced a case of diagnosed valley fever in my entire life. I probably had it at least once and just got over it like some small bout of the flu when I was younger. OTOH, my borderline asthmatic wife that grew up in multiple states (coastal CA, CO, and AZ) got it as an adult and she was miserable. It took a few weeks of suffering (including some coughing rough enough to bruise ribs) to overcome it, and she wasn't the same for a while afterwards. (According to her doctor/specialist at the time, testing for the disease is quite unreliable, coming back false quite often when in reality you do have it.)

  29. Road trip to Vegas! by tekrat · · Score: 1

    Who's up for that???

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  30. Good grief - The BBC as Sensatonalist as Fox News! by Tsu+Dho+Nimh · · Score: 1

    Coccidiomycosis is all over the southwest, it's not incurable, and it's no flipping mystery why the incidence is increasing ... A couple of wet winters, some dry dusty summers and an influx of new residents with the attendant construction kicking up the dirt where the spores are ... and probably an easier diagnostic test. Instant epidemic. We had a surge of cases every fall in Phoenix if the dust storms had been severe.

    2/3 of the people who have antibodies against it thought they had a slight cold or had no symptoms. A large chunk of the remaining 1/3 have a mild cough and mild to moderate fatigue ... I had it and it was fatigue of the "stop and rest three times going up one flight of stairs" kind. A serious damper on my college life for a couple of months.

    It's been known for decades (since before I took Mycology in the late 60s) that certain groups were more prone to have severe cases: African Americans, Asians (especially Filipinos), Women in their 3rd trimester of pregnancy, People with weak immune systems, including those with an organ transplant or who have HIV/AIDS

    Moving a group of people out of an area where they are extremely likely to get a disease that will make them sicker makes economic sense ... fewer cases of the illness means fewer resources needed to take care of them. But I'd screen them for antibodies first, because only the non-immunes need to be moved. I'd bet that over half to prisoners they plan to move are already immune.

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  31. I am from Coalinga by armitage787 · · Score: 1

    I am from Coalinga, about 20 miles away from Avenal. I saw the article from the BBC yesterday and thought it was being blow way out of proportion. I know a few people that have gotten Valley Fever, and even one that died from it (he was about 85 years old), but I still think they were being dramatic with how they depicted it. I do think the cases for valley fever are going to pick up if valley doesn't get more water soon, but that is a very long and different conversation.

  32. Got this when I moved to AZ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as did my parents and brother. Non-event for all of us except for my dad. He had to have the upper lobe of his right lung removed to stop the infection. I guess he was fortunate in that it didn't do worse damage. Nasty disease.

  33. Mod parent AWESOME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You, sir, win fifteen intertubes.

    On slashdot in particular, all the same materials used for any other purpose are ineffably evil whenever used by those dreaded, world-controlling greens.

  34. Arizonian here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The cactus, coyotes, Gila Monsters, javelina, and snakes weren't enough. We developed a fungus to keep the pansies out of the Sonoran and Mojave Deserts.

    1. Re:Arizonian here by Entropius · · Score: 1

      The trouble is that the damn snowbirds show up and then hide in air conditioned houses. It was either the fungus or come up with sneakier snakes.

  35. Bad summary by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 2

    According to the linked story, Germany did not invoke the Geneva convention, the US preemptively decided to remove the prisoners because they thought it might be a violation to subject them to the conditions. It would have been rather odd for Nazi Germany to complain about treatment of people in camps, from what I understand about history ( primarily through a tv channel with history in the name of it ).

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    1. Re:Bad summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look up cognitive dissonance.

  36. My brother got a kidney in CA by coyote_oww · · Score: 4, Informative

    The list does not work the way you think it does. My brother had not been employed for several years, not a problem. Kidney transplants are money saving operations, so money is not really an obstacle. All kidney patients are eligible for Medicare, and the break-even of cost of transplanted patients vs dialysis is 2 years or less. So, generally the government is eager for you to get a kidney transplant because they are covering all or the bulk of your costs regardless of socio-economic status or voluntariness of your residence.

    So... everyone goes on the list, and it's pretty much do first come, first serve, with exceptions for people who have some particular difficulty that might make a long wait impossible. Generally, loss of kidney function will not kill you directly, you can live a very long time on dialysis. My brother lived for several years with no kidneys at all (removed for extreme size).

    Bad (medical) behavior can get you off the list (excessive drugs, alcohol, or obesity, for example), but money can be worked around.

    Other organs do not have the same cost-benefit structure, and there are not alternative therapies, so the rules work differently.

    I don't know what the rules are for sex changes, so I'm no help there.

  37. Maricopa County, AZ by AzTechGuy · · Score: 1

    "Two-thirds of all Valley Fever infections happen right here in Arizona and out of those, 80 percent occur in Maricopa County." Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/weather/weather_news/changing-weather-bringing-more-cases-of-valley-fever-to-arizona#ixzz2ZL5bmBDL Maricopa County, AZ, Population of 3.88 million, had 16,472 cases in 2011, 0.0042%. This is an increase of 2,700 cases from the year before. The 1,000 ft high dust storms during the monsoon season are a major contributor. Most of the cases showed up in February, after getting a few months to grow in the host and diagnosed by doctors. Most people in the SW carry the fungus, but only some are prone to it's ill effects. I have lived here for 32 years and never had symptoms severe enough to visit a doctor. I have known people to be hospitalized within their first year living here. Yea, it sucks. We take that chance when we live here. Get over it!

  38. valley fever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i think i've heard of valley fever on television. what scares me is how fungus can live inside a body like a human or mammal. eww.

  39. Almost noting new here by niftymitch · · Score: 1
    I recall being tested for this in the 60's in Arizona.

    Like TB the test then was a tine test... For the US south west it makes sense (to me) to add this bug to the TB test process. One might adjust the map to address TB coming from south american countries where it is a serious ill managed scourge.

    It also makes sense to spend money for both TB and Valley fever medications. Modern genetics may illuminate ways to treat these infection. Lung infections of many types are astoundingly lethal.

    Ask Judy Collins about TB.

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  40. It's about time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that there be a price to pay to escape that miserable weather and high taxation, DAMN IT!

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  41. Why didn't they tell people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is because there would be a disruption in property taxes if the truth were told.

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  42. This is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Last of Us

  43. Whats the point of this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in the San Joaquin Valley. This is seriously not a big deal here. It's not like we are all stumbling around, sick. Like most illnesses, it really is only 'dangerous' to high risk people, like infants and the elderly.

    And Avenal is a toilet with an attached prison. The prison was built because the people wanted one there. Seriously. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avenal_State_Prison

    1. Re:Whats the point of this? by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      I live in the San Joaquin Valley. This is seriously not a big deal here. It's not like we are all stumbling around, sick. Like most illnesses, it really is only 'dangerous' to high risk people, like infants and the elderly.

      Everybody starts out as an infant, and most if us stick around long enough to become elderly. You're not talking miniscule demographic groups there.

  44. Maybe you should adjust your expectations? by Guppy · · Score: 1

    Surprising. It's a "new low" in the US as far as I'm concerned. If an area is not safe for human habitation, it needs to be closed off.

    Are you familiar with, Histoplasmosis? It's a fungal disease, very similar in presentation except the fungus prefers moist environments high in organic matter (like silt deposits or bat guano). Present across large swaths of the Central and Eastern US, but especially common in states bordering the Ohio River valley and the lower Mississippi River. Or Cryptococcus? Yet again, very similar fungal disease, this time worldwide in distribution with no particular geographical preference. How about Blastomycosis? Another rather similar fungal disease, and again common around the Mississippi river, Ohio river valley, and also around the Great Lakes and Wisconsin area. And yes, fatalities in immunocompetent individuals do occur.

    And that's just for the fungal diseases that resemble coccidiomycosis. If you're going to have a freak-out over the relatively small numbers of victims this one disease has, crack open an infectious disease textbook -- you'll find most of the U.S. is uninhabitable territory. And don't even get started on tropical countries, it's a miracle anyone manages to survive in those places at all!

    "Why don't they tell people?!"

    To the general public's "They" has the requirement of being mass media or celebrity spokesperson, and "tell" means sexed-up writing in a lurid manner. The fact that you haven't heard of a particular disease before is because reporters and advocacy groups decided Lyme Disease and West Nile Virus are sexy, while Babesiosis and Ehrlichiosis are not.

    This shit has been in textbooks for decades, it's not exactly a secret. Actually, it's more like an anti-secret: the information has always been out there, but people tune it out when the news comes from Health Department guy on PBS.

  45. Has to be said.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So there's a Fungus Amungus?

  46. People do talk about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I grew up in Bakersfield, CA and Valley Fever is common knowledge there. Something that the local know, and that they have known about for over 20 years isn't a secret.

  47. Need some lefties and their anti business by ralphaostrander · · Score: 1

    Pro breathing regulations.

  48. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Valley fever has been around for decades. Most cases aren't severe. It is a natural soil bacteria.

  49. so i'm guessing the symptom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is a speech pattern that consists of phrasing everthing as a question and the use of words like "like"?