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HonorPoncaCityDotCom writes "BBC reports that cases of an incurable illness called valley fever are multiplying at an alarming and mystifying rate in the American south-west. Few places have been hit as hard as Avenal, a remote city of 14,000 people, nestling in a dip in the floor of the San Joaquin Valley in what experts refer to as a 'hot zone' for coccidioidomycosis — an illness caused by the inhalation of tiny fungal spores that usually reside in the soil. 'On windy days you are more conscious of it,' says Enrique Jimenez. 'You breathe in through your nose, and try not to breathe in as much dust. I worked in the fields for a long time, my father managed a few crops out here, and we took precautions, wearing bandanas.' Valley Fever is not easy to treat. Anti-fungal drugs are available for serious cases but some patients don't respond and it can take years to clear up. It never leaves the body and symptoms can be triggered again. Some patients are on the drugs for life, at a crippling financial cost. During World War II, German prisoners held at a camp in Arizona fell ill. Germany reportedly invoked the Geneva Convention to try to get them moved. Longstanding concerns about valley fever were heightened recently when a federal health official ordered the transfer of more than 3,000 exceptionally vulnerable inmates from two San Joaquin Valley prisons where several dozen have died of the disease in recent years. Dale Pulde, a motorcycle mechanic in Los Angeles County, said he contracted the disease three years ago after traveling to Bakersfield in Kern County and was coughing so hard he was blacking out; he spit blood and couldn't catch his breath. For two months, doctors tested him for everything from tuberculosis to cancer until blood tests confirmed he had the fever. 'When I found out that health officials knew about (this disease) and how common it is, I was beside myself,' said Pulde. 'Why don't they tell people?'"
BBC is the closest news network to cover it?
As if the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation doesn't have enough problems on its hands being forced to downsize the population of its myriad gulags, they have two prisons near Ground Zero of this disease and several more in the general vicinity. It would not be surprising if they are forced by a court eventually to close these prisons because of valley fever. I, for one, would be pleased to see a reversal in the trend in the United States to imprison instead of rehabilitate those who are eminently rehabilitatable.
It's really quite a simple choice: Life, Death, or Los Angeles.
From the summary:
It never leaves the body and symptoms can be triggered again.
From the linked article
The infection ordinarily resolves leaving the patient with a specific immunity to re-infection.
Both cannot be true.
sudo make me a sandwich
Because of the San Joaquin Valley Chamber of Commerce?
Beware of property owners' rights trumping everything else.
Have gnu, will travel.
If Doc Holiday had this instead of his diagnosed tuberculosis.
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First thing I thought of, really.
And you guys thought those Clickers were fiction...
I lived for a while in Tucson. Pretty much anyone who's outdoors in the desert much is likely to get it; in most people there are either no symptoms or flu-like symptoms. My PhD advisor had to have major surgery, and in the pre-surgery physical they found some characteristic scar tissue in his lungs and commented that he'd had valley fever at some point; he had no idea.
I'm pretty sure I had it; I got an unexplained very high fever and "flu-like" muscle pains along with a cough, but no sinus congestion at the end of my first year there.
[I wonder] If Doc Holiday had this instead of his diagnosed tuberculosis.
Doubtful since he was living in Atlanta when he contracted TB and moved out West in the hopes it would improve his symptoms.
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
Then you would have to close off the southwest United States. While the San Joaquin Valley has the most cases, I live in much farther south in CA and know two people who had valley fever serious enough to end up in the hospital. So it is not uncommon elsewhere in the southwest as well.
"The majority is always wrong; the minority is rarely right." - Henrik Ibsen
Or "Valley of the Wind."
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
Most of the medical professionals and vetrinarians in my area of southwest Utah know about it.
It's no secret.
People gotta live somewhere. Fires, floods, earthquakes, malaria, congressmen, natural radiation, natural heavy metals in ground water... every place has some problem.
It isn't like we are talking about bubonic plague running rampant. What should the government do? Spray bleach over everything? Kick people off their own property?
THL phish sticks
Organic and natural things are good for you, right?
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Your pets can get this too, especially if they eat dirt. It's something to be aware of, since the vets took a couple of months figuring it out. It's the sort of thing if you want an expedited diagnosis you probably have to bring up yourself, so it's good to see it getting a little publicity so maybe doctors will become more aware in other parts of the country/world.
Having lived in Avenal as a child, I contracted valley fever. Let me say it's an extremely miserable illness and I couldn't even get out of bed for weeks.
But there's nothing mystifying about the spread of it. It's found in dry soil that's kicked up when the wind blows. Congress has cut off a large amount of water in this state, so now the whole damn place is a giant dried out tinderbox waiting to go up in flames.
Drive up I-5 and CA-99, you'll see the signs everywhere: "Congress Created Dust Bowl" or "Man-made Drought." Look at satellite imagery of CA, the Central Valley used to be nearly solid green. Now it's mostly brown, dead, dried out.
Thanks, EPA.
The place is a goddamn dust bowl. I'm surprised a lot more people aren't sick from all the crap (fertilizer, insecticides, etc.) the farmers spill on the ground
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
I lived in Phoenix, Arizona in the early 80s and seem to recall this being a problem there - only they called it Desert Fever. Phoenix was in the midst of a huge building boom and the "fever" was caused from all the building taking place...dust getting kicked up quite a bit.
I wish Americans would realize that the dailymail is the UK's equivilent to the National Enquirer before posting links to it.
Isn't that an city in China that is mining rare earth metals for wind turbines?
The lake instantly assaults your senses. Stand on the black crust for just seconds and your eyes water and a powerful, acrid stench fills your lungs.
For hours after our visit, my stomach lurched and my head throbbed. We were there for only one hour, but those who live in Mr Yan’s village of Dalahai, and other villages around, breathe in the same poison every day.
The price of 10% economic growth, quarter on quarter, year on year, for a decade has been widely documented in terms of human and environmental health. You can poison the land, river or an entire lake, but if you pour white paint into milk you meet the firing squad.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Agreed, let's quarantine Detroit.
Why don't they tell people that the southwest is full of sharp plants???
Why don't they tell people that the southwest if HOT???
Why don't they tell people that "it's a dry heat"???
Because most southwesterners already KNOW, that's why. Few people have problems from valley fever(1 in 1000, or 1 in 5000 depending on source). And all the medical people will test for it first when a patient comes in experiencing a bad "fever". Even the people that have it (or have noticeable symptoms) usually can overcome it themselves without any medical treatment.
Religion and science are both 90% crap..but that doesn't negate the other 10%.
Umm... They do. Valley Fever isn't some new mystery illness that's popped up in the last few years, it's been around for a long time and pretty much everyone who lives in areas where it's common knows about it (or at least I they should). Maybe this is news in the UK, but it's old hat here.
BBC is the closest news network to cover it?
Cases Of Mysterious Valley Fever Rise In American Southwest [May 13]
Valley Fever Outbreaks Lead California to Move Inmates [July 5]
On a windy day you can pick up a hantavirus infection as well if you're near any varmint feces in a Western state. HPS fatality rate is 50%. Doctors know about it and they're not telling anybody. We need to close off New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona, California, Washington, Texas, Utah and Montana.
Or not. Life is risky and temporary. Your wish to invoke power to assuage a brand new fear or outrage you were given sometime during the last 10 minutes is a result of training. You're behaving exactly as intended.
Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
In China, the true cost of Britain's clean, green wind power experiment: Pollution on a disastrous scale
They're being ridiculous. Nobody's forcing anyone in the UK to use rare-earth-based generators in wind turbines.
Ezekiel 23:20
>Surprising. It's a "new low" in the US as far as I'm concerned. If an area is not safe for human habitation, it needs to be closed off. "Why don't they tell people?!"
It's no big secret. People who live there know about it. God alone knows why they live there. If you go to Avenal and look around, you can see 20+ really good reasons not to live there before you even think about Valley Fever.
Some mornings it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints to get out of bed.
In undeveloped countries, don't drink the water. In developed countries, don't breathe the air.
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We had a prisoner of war camp in Arizona during WWII.
When I read the headline I thought it was something new and sinister to worry about, but valley fever? This is nothing new - at least here in Arizona. As a kid growing up here in the 70s and 80s there was a public service announcement on TV about it played pretty often (Channel 5 maybe?). (Imagine a scene in a small farming town, near a cotton or alfalfa field, on a hot, dry summer day. A tractor is discing a field in the background, kicking up a wall of dust behind it, in the warped light of the baking summer sun. Cue a narrator's voice - "dusty... Dusty... Dusty... DUSTY...")
This is only based on my Arizona experience and as a "study of one", but FWIW:
1) People who grow up in AZ from the start don't seem to have as much trouble with it as those who move here at some point. I have heard a couple of stories of people having to move away from Arizona solely because of it, but that is pretty rare to hear about.
2) Unlike diseases where you get a specific set of symptoms, different people respond to valley fever differently. My entire family (4th or 5th generation Arizonans) grew up on a small farm in rural AZ, and none of us ever experienced a case of diagnosed valley fever in my entire life. I probably had it at least once and just got over it like some small bout of the flu when I was younger. OTOH, my borderline asthmatic wife that grew up in multiple states (coastal CA, CO, and AZ) got it as an adult and she was miserable. It took a few weeks of suffering (including some coughing rough enough to bruise ribs) to overcome it, and she wasn't the same for a while afterwards. (According to her doctor/specialist at the time, testing for the disease is quite unreliable, coming back false quite often when in reality you do have it.)
Who's up for that???
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
Coccidiomycosis is all over the southwest, it's not incurable, and it's no flipping mystery why the incidence is increasing ... A couple of wet winters, some dry dusty summers and an influx of new residents with the attendant construction kicking up the dirt where the spores are ... and probably an easier diagnostic test. Instant epidemic. We had a surge of cases every fall in Phoenix if the dust storms had been severe.
2/3 of the people who have antibodies against it thought they had a slight cold or had no symptoms. A large chunk of the remaining 1/3 have a mild cough and mild to moderate fatigue ... I had it and it was fatigue of the "stop and rest three times going up one flight of stairs" kind. A serious damper on my college life for a couple of months.
It's been known for decades (since before I took Mycology in the late 60s) that certain groups were more prone to have severe cases: African Americans, Asians (especially Filipinos), Women in their 3rd trimester of pregnancy, People with weak immune systems, including those with an organ transplant or who have HIV/AIDS
Moving a group of people out of an area where they are extremely likely to get a disease that will make them sicker makes economic sense ... fewer cases of the illness means fewer resources needed to take care of them. But I'd screen them for antibodies first, because only the non-immunes need to be moved. I'd bet that over half to prisoners they plan to move are already immune.
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A vaccine was under development during WWII, but the project stopped when the war ended. There have been noises about reviviing the project, but no funding.
I am from Coalinga, about 20 miles away from Avenal. I saw the article from the BBC yesterday and thought it was being blow way out of proportion. I know a few people that have gotten Valley Fever, and even one that died from it (he was about 85 years old), but I still think they were being dramatic with how they depicted it. I do think the cases for valley fever are going to pick up if valley doesn't get more water soon, but that is a very long and different conversation.
Most of the medical professionals and vetrinarians in my area of southwest Utah know about it.
It's no secret.
People gotta live somewhere. Fires, floods, earthquakes, malaria, congressmen, natural radiation, natural heavy metals in ground water... every place has some problem.
It isn't like we are talking about bubonic plague running rampant. What should the government do? Spray bleach over everything? Kick people off their own property?
Funny you mention that: the bubonic plague is endemic throughout the American southwest and there are reported cases in people every year. Prairie dogs, among other rodents, carry it. (Most common cause of infection is outdoor cats getting plague-infected fleas that have left dead prairie dogs, then bringing the disease home to their owners.)
And as for the where-should-we-live, I made a map of natural disasters in the US a while ago when people were on about how anyone would be dumb enough to live in Norman, Oklahoma. Between hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, tidal waves, forest fires, flash floods, bubonic plague, volcanoes, and a couple of other things, the only place I've found that looks fairly safe in the entire US is somewhat east of Pocatello, Idaho.
Nostalgia's not what it used to be.
Stories like that always make me wonder why the turbines in coal, gas, and nuclear plants don't use neodymium magnets. Why is it that only renewable energy sources have to use materials that cause environmental damage to extract, but the physical equipment for non-renewables are made out of 110% non-polluting unicorn giggles?
I wish Americans would realize that the dailymail is the UK's equivilent to the National Enquirer before posting links to it.
I do believe you're talking about the Guardian aren't you? After all, I've seen more complete news stories on the Dailymail about events within the US, than I've seen on US networks about the same events.
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You, sir, win fifteen intertubes.
On slashdot in particular, all the same materials used for any other purpose are ineffably evil whenever used by those dreaded, world-controlling greens.
In China, the true cost of Britain's clean, green wind power experiment: Pollution on a disastrous scale
They're being ridiculous. Nobody's forcing anyone in the UK to use rare-earth-based generators in wind turbines.
Neodymium magnets are the most powerful currently known. If each turbine uses 4400 pounds as the article suggests, just how many times more weight of ceramic magnets would have to be used to reach the same T?
More Twoson than Cupertino
I will remember that next time I get flack from a western state person for living in a hurricane and tornado zone. At least my natural disasters you can predict and mitigate.
This planet can and will fuck your day up.
somewhat east of Pocatello, Idaho looks like right in the middle of this:
http://ddrevival.blogspot.com/2007/03/yellowstone-supereruption_6320.html
You can only be young once, but you can be immature forever.
And yet people live there. The vast majority of people in the world did not make a decision about where to live, they live where they are because they have little opportunity to move somewhere else.
My guess is that weight and size don't really matter for a big fixed plant, but do for a relatively small one located way up in the air.
According to the linked story, Germany did not invoke the Geneva convention, the US preemptively decided to remove the prisoners because they thought it might be a violation to subject them to the conditions. It would have been rather odd for Nazi Germany to complain about treatment of people in camps, from what I understand about history ( primarily through a tv channel with history in the name of it ).
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
The trouble is that the damn snowbirds show up and then hide in air conditioned houses. It was either the fungus or come up with sneakier snakes.
The list does not work the way you think it does. My brother had not been employed for several years, not a problem. Kidney transplants are money saving operations, so money is not really an obstacle. All kidney patients are eligible for Medicare, and the break-even of cost of transplanted patients vs dialysis is 2 years or less. So, generally the government is eager for you to get a kidney transplant because they are covering all or the bulk of your costs regardless of socio-economic status or voluntariness of your residence.
So... everyone goes on the list, and it's pretty much do first come, first serve, with exceptions for people who have some particular difficulty that might make a long wait impossible. Generally, loss of kidney function will not kill you directly, you can live a very long time on dialysis. My brother lived for several years with no kidneys at all (removed for extreme size).
Bad (medical) behavior can get you off the list (excessive drugs, alcohol, or obesity, for example), but money can be worked around.
Other organs do not have the same cost-benefit structure, and there are not alternative therapies, so the rules work differently.
I don't know what the rules are for sex changes, so I'm no help there.
Most wind turbines actually do not use neodymium magnets. They use plain old electromagnetic generators. However, to electromagnetic generators get inefficient at low speeds, so using electromagnetic generators also means using gears, possibly multi-stage. Coal, gas, and nuclear plants generally work with very hot steam. You can design your steam turbine for pretty much any rotational speed you want. No gears necessary.
So why not just increase the rotational speed of wind turbines? You lose aerodynamic efficiency when the tip speed gets to a reasonable fraction of the speed of sound. To avoid gears and use electromagnetic generators on a typical 3MW wind turbine, you would need the tips to go faster than the speed of sound. Extracting power from the wind while going at supersonic speeds is a yet unsolved problem.
If the use of permanent magnets was banned entirely from wind turbines, the market would not really change much. Some manufacturers would temporarily lose market share while they redesigned, but overall turbine price would not change dramatically.
Finally! A year of moderation! Ready for 2019?
He did say "fairly safe" so I think he was tracking things that happen more than once every 600,000 years. And also things that won't simply bury half the US in ash and cause a global "nuclear winter" equivalent.
"Two-thirds of all Valley Fever infections happen right here in Arizona and out of those, 80 percent occur in Maricopa County." Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/weather/weather_news/changing-weather-bringing-more-cases-of-valley-fever-to-arizona#ixzz2ZL5bmBDL Maricopa County, AZ, Population of 3.88 million, had 16,472 cases in 2011, 0.0042%. This is an increase of 2,700 cases from the year before. The 1,000 ft high dust storms during the monsoon season are a major contributor. Most of the cases showed up in February, after getting a few months to grow in the host and diagnosed by doctors. Most people in the SW carry the fungus, but only some are prone to it's ill effects. I have lived here for 32 years and never had symptoms severe enough to visit a doctor. I have known people to be hospitalized within their first year living here. Yea, it sucks. We take that chance when we live here. Get over it!
There are sections of the western US where asbestos occurs naturally in the soil. Here in the east we have Lyme Disease and West Nile causing trouble.
The Guardian is a leftist rag, the Daily Fail is a reactionary rag, they both exist to keep their readers outraged and unthinking. Don't let the dead trees fool you, they shouldn't be taken any more seriously than nutjob websites like Breitbart or Democratic Underground.
Wait, breitbart is a nutjob website? So a news organization that actually breaks news that other news organizations that won't, or don't want to cover it a nut job website. How interesting. I guess that NBC, ABC and CBS are bastions of full-on in depth reporting, which is why news reporters in the media rank just about above lawyers in terms of trust worthiness.
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Like TB the test then was a tine test... For the US south west it makes sense (to me) to add this bug to the TB test process. One might adjust the map to address TB coming from south american countries where it is a serious ill managed scourge.
It also makes sense to spend money for both TB and Valley fever medications. Modern genetics may illuminate ways to treat these infection. Lung infections of many types are astoundingly lethal.
Ask Judy Collins about TB.
Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't. Mark Twain.
Surprising. It's a "new low" in the US as far as I'm concerned. If an area is not safe for human habitation, it needs to be closed off.
Are you familiar with, Histoplasmosis? It's a fungal disease, very similar in presentation except the fungus prefers moist environments high in organic matter (like silt deposits or bat guano). Present across large swaths of the Central and Eastern US, but especially common in states bordering the Ohio River valley and the lower Mississippi River. Or Cryptococcus? Yet again, very similar fungal disease, this time worldwide in distribution with no particular geographical preference. How about Blastomycosis? Another rather similar fungal disease, and again common around the Mississippi river, Ohio river valley, and also around the Great Lakes and Wisconsin area. And yes, fatalities in immunocompetent individuals do occur.
And that's just for the fungal diseases that resemble coccidiomycosis. If you're going to have a freak-out over the relatively small numbers of victims this one disease has, crack open an infectious disease textbook -- you'll find most of the U.S. is uninhabitable territory. And don't even get started on tropical countries, it's a miracle anyone manages to survive in those places at all!
"Why don't they tell people?!"
To the general public's "They" has the requirement of being mass media or celebrity spokesperson, and "tell" means sexed-up writing in a lurid manner. The fact that you haven't heard of a particular disease before is because reporters and advocacy groups decided Lyme Disease and West Nile Virus are sexy, while Babesiosis and Ehrlichiosis are not.
This shit has been in textbooks for decades, it's not exactly a secret. Actually, it's more like an anti-secret: the information has always been out there, but people tune it out when the news comes from Health Department guy on PBS.
I live in the San Joaquin Valley. This is seriously not a big deal here. It's not like we are all stumbling around, sick. Like most illnesses, it really is only 'dangerous' to high risk people, like infants and the elderly.
Everybody starts out as an infant, and most if us stick around long enough to become elderly. You're not talking miniscule demographic groups there.
have to agree that it is no secret, we hear about it and talk about here in Phoenix on a regular basis. Almost everyone who has lived here for any length of time has had it at least once. AS another poster pointed out it is like the bubonic plague here. Almost anyone who lived here for more than a year or two are aware that the jack rabbits here are infected with it. But mentioned it to someone from the more urbanized areas they are always taken by surprise. Must be the ultra urban snobbery.
Pro breathing regulations.
The Guardian is a leftist rag, the Daily Fail is a reactionary rag, they both exist to keep their readers outraged and unthinking.
No, The Guardian is a leftist (mainstream, middle-class) respectable paper, hardly in the same class as the Mail.
True, Guardian readers are easily outraged, spitting out their morning latte over the latest politically incorrect injustice.
But unlike Daily Mail readers, they are known to think.
What ceramic magnets? What are you talking about? Most, if not all large (double-digit and triple-digit MW) generator installations that I'm aware of have been using three-phase induction generators, *not* any sort of generators with permanent magnet stators. The only thing you need in bulk for those is copper for the windings (plus whatever structural materials du jour you need to build it, of course). On one hand, current wind turbines are smaller, so neither of the two major generator designs has a clear edge over the other, but if it turns out that that we can't use rare earths for whatever reason (economical, environmental), it doesn't mean that we wont be able to build any more turbines. On the other hand, the average wind turbine is getting larger and larger, and you tend to see fewer permanent magnet designs as the generator size gets larger. (Also, the advances in power electronics and superconductor technology may well render rare earths in large installations obsolete one day, but that's more of a long-term prospect.)
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