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IQ Test Pegs ConceptNet 4 AI About As Smart As a 4-Year-Old

An anonymous reader writes "Artificial and natural knowledge researchers at the University of Illinois at Chicago have IQ-tested one of the best available artificial intelligence systems to see how intelligent it really is. Turns out–it's about as smart as the average 4-year-old. The team put ConceptNet 4, an artificial intelligence system developed at M.I.T., through the verbal portions of the Wechsler Preschool and Primary Scale of Intelligence Test, a standard IQ assessment for young children. They found ConceptNet 4 has the average IQ of a young child. But unlike most children, the machine's scores were very uneven across different portions of the test." If you'd like to play with the AI system described here, take note of the ConceptNet API documentation, and this Ubuntu-centric installation guide.

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  1. More like autistic-savant 4 year old by schneidafunk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article: “If a child had scores that varied this much, it might be a symptom that something was wrong,” said Robert Sloan, professor and head of computer science at UIC, and lead author on the study.

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    1. Re:More like autistic-savant 4 year old by Metabolife · · Score: 5, Funny

      Similar to how a typical Slashdot user might score amazingly well on the math section and then never score in real life?

    2. Re:More like autistic-savant 4 year old by Vanderhoth · · Score: 4, Funny

      Obligatory, I for one welcome our new four year old mentally unstable electronic overlords.

    3. Re:More like autistic-savant 4 year old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Of course you have to compare it to a child. How else will it ever ascend to becoming a contestant on "Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader?"

    4. Re: More like autistic-savant 4 year old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod this up. Funniest line for a Thursday morning

    5. Re:More like autistic-savant 4 year old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It is indeed an indicator of something wrong. Can you imagine an AI with the mores and intelligence of a small child with access to vast amounts of information? Have you ever seen a small child in the store? I HATE you mommy!. That that emotional maturity and intelligence and that mommy would be dead. Machines like this will be dangerous.

    6. Re:More like autistic-savant 4 year old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Damn it, I'm not even good at slashdot reading - I score bad at math and don't get laid! :(

    7. Re:More like autistic-savant 4 year old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, it won't become overlord till it reaches the IQ of the average large corp CEO.

    8. Re:More like autistic-savant 4 year old by Vanderhoth · · Score: 4, Funny

      so five then?

    9. Re:More like autistic-savant 4 year old by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "From the article: âoeIf a child had scores that varied this much, it might be a symptom that something was wrong,â said Robert Sloan, professor and head of computer science at UIC, and lead author on the study."

      Yes, exactly. A 4 year old, maybe. But a severely mentally damaged 4 year old.

    10. Re:More like autistic-savant 4 year old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Being as intelligent as a 4 year old human on an IQ test is not even remotely related to having the learning abilities of a 4 year old human.

    11. Re:More like autistic-savant 4 year old by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      I need to get out of IT before I have to support one of these "intelligent" systems when it has a temper tantrum!

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    12. Re:More like autistic-savant 4 year old by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      Bullshite.

      It just goes to show you what a pile of crap Weschler and Stanford-Binet are. And this is from someone who has a bigger estimated score than my UID. Its bollocks.

      Any unimpaired four-year-old knows not to eat feces. That's not measurable through the bias of IQ, and I doubt these "nets" know the difference between that... and Shinola.

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    13. Re:More like autistic-savant 4 year old by dywolf · · Score: 1

      First thing I thought of was little Anthony Fremont.

      (For those that don't get the reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_a_Good_Life_(The_Twilight_Zone) )

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    14. Re:More like autistic-savant 4 year old by schneidafunk · · Score: 1

      I just watched it online. Great reference, that was an awesome episode!

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    15. Re:More like autistic-savant 4 year old by ByteSlicer · · Score: 2

      Except for the small fact that current AIs have no emotions whatsoever.

    16. Re:More like autistic-savant 4 year old by Phrogman · · Score: 1

      But.. But.. Its Mentally Unstable and its got the intelligence of a 4 yr old. Surely its already *passed* the level of your typical CEO?

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    17. Re:More like autistic-savant 4 year old by masshuu · · Score: 1

      Isn't it already past that point then?

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    18. Re:More like autistic-savant 4 year old by sjames · · Score: 2

      He said IQ, not emotional maturity. So 5 1/2.

  2. Sample output when tested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    No!

    1. Re:Sample output when tested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why?

    2. Re:Sample output when tested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I win!

  3. But by Sparticus789 · · Score: 2

    Does the AI use contractions?

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    1. Re:But by Vanderhoth · · Score: 1

      I never really understood Data's issue with using contractions. There are pretty well defined rules for them and rules are something that can be pretty easily programmed so he really shouldn't have had an issue with them.

    2. Re:But by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      No, but at least it doesn't hang when you ask it the value of pi.

    3. Re:But by leonardluen · · Score: 4, Funny

      for a 4 year old i am pretty sure the value of pi is "more" and possibly "with ice cream"

    4. Re:But by Sparticus789 · · Score: 1

      He does use them in the series finale, in the alternate future timeline. Really, I think it was more a plot device to make sure the crew could distinguish him from Lore, and to be brought up on occasion. Like the episode where Riker is taken hostage by an alien on the surface that wants him to be his Dad, and during a hallucination Data uses a contraction, which served as the final piece of evidence that the events going on were not real.

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    5. Re:But by mhajicek · · Score: 1

      He should have been able to whistle too.

    6. Re:But by Laxori666 · · Score: 2, Funny

      No you see, by pi he meant the mathematical number - 3.1415... - not pie as in "food". Even so, the value of pie wouldn't be "more" and "with ice cream" - that's not the value of something, those are desires and descriptors of something. Value would be more like how many dollars it's worth or how many good deeds/grades one has to get to receive the pie.

    7. Re:But by Laxori666 · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's how we lost ol' Timmy. Asked him to give us a few digits of that good ol' pi and he just durn went and hung himself right in the ol' barn. We stopped teachin' the young'uns maths after that lil' incident.

    8. Re:But by TWiTfan · · Score: 2

      The whistling thing I could understand, since he presumably had no respiration.

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    9. Re:But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you are confusing this with a different AI

    10. Re:But by syntheticmemory · · Score: 1

      Lassie sat by the grave site for weeks, until Gramps lured her away with pie.

    11. Re:But by flyingfsck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm wondering whether your post deserves a whoosh, or a huh? or whether you are a 4 year old AI...

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    12. Re:But by elfprince13 · · Score: 1

      I guess it was too early to expect that the researchers would have developed a reliable humor-recognition heuristic.

    13. Re:But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then how did he make any other sound?

    14. Re:But by RobinH · · Score: 1

      Hmm, a speaker? You think he really had vocal chords?

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    15. Re:But by RobinH · · Score: 2

      The guy who built him deliberately made him *less* lifelike than Lore because the colonists didn't like how eerily human-like Lore was. His inability to use contractions was one of these things.

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    16. Re:But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, he claimed was “fully functional” in other areas that are not strictly necessary for robots. Who knows what other parts of the human body his creator thought necessary ;)

    17. Re:But by kenj0418 · · Score: 1

      I never really understood Data's issue with using contractions.

      I thought it was a deliberate inability programmed in by his creator to make Data less like Lor and to make him feel less threatening to the other colonists..

    18. Re:But by Beorytis · · Score: 2

      Alexander Hamilton never used the word "whilst" but James Madison never used the word "while." This does not imply that either founding father was an ill-programmed android.

    19. Re:But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, no, you're definitely on to something there.

    20. Re:But by snadrus · · Score: 2

      To be accurate, it would need
      the same input inaccuracies (pi and pie verbally being the same), combined with
      the order of learned experiences which influences weighting (pie before pi), combined with
      a 4-year-old's limited capacity for context, combined with
      need (eat) & desire (sweet foods).

      We have a ways to go.

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    21. Re:But by elfprince13 · · Score: 1

      double woosh

    22. Re:But by Vanderhoth · · Score: 1

      Thank you. That makes more sense and I remember the episode where that's explained now. I guess it's time to hand in my TNG card.

    23. Re:But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not that it matters, but your XO emoticon means "hug and kiss" in straight culture.

    24. Re:But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could swear I remember him blowing on something once... Candles on a cake perhaps? Ahhh! It's been too long.

    25. Re:But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's all very nice, but he should have been able to acquire targets and shoot them with his phaser at about 10^16 times/second if his brain was so whoop tee doo...

    26. Re:But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whistling thing I could understand, since he presumably had no respiration.

      Whistling is also a learned skill requiring fairly precise motor control, that doesn't come up much in daily life.

      Even if Data had a simulated respiratory system it's still reasonable that he might have trouble with whistling. The contractions thing however is completely ridiculous. Data has to be able to understand what contractions mean (he responds correctly to crew who use them). He should be able to learn how to use them himself purely from mimicry.

    27. Re:But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In the TNG episode Birthright Part 1, Dr Bashir remarks how Data is "breathing" ("..Yes. I do have a functional respiration system....to maintain the thermal control of my internal systems.." and also has a "pulse" ("..My circulatory system not only produces bio-chemical lubricants, but regulates micro-hydraulic power..").

      I don't think they explained why we was unable to whistle (in tune), my guess is it was part of the story arc about his quest to become more human.

  4. Misleading crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We are nowhere near getting an AI that can navigate the world at the level of a 4 year old. All the program can do is simple tasks in vocabulary and such with no real understanding of those words. Nothing to see here.

    1. Re:Misleading crap by DougOtto · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sounds like my ex-wife.

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    2. Re:Misleading crap by Russ1642 · · Score: 1

      A 4 year old is so far ahead of any current AI they shouldn't even think of making this kind of comparison. It would be a Nobel prize winning feat to produce AI that can operate at the level of a 6 month old, let alone something that can walk around, talk, learn, imagine, and play.

    3. Re:Misleading crap by Vanderhoth · · Score: 2

      I think the point is, like in a real child's development this is a stepping stone, it's something A.I. has to go through in order for it to mature.

      I never understood why people think a A.I. should learn any faster than a real child could. It's like people think because it's a computer it automagically knows everything there is ever to know, but in reality A.I. still requires training and positive/negative reinforcement just like really children do.

    4. Re:Misleading crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And you married her. How smart does that make you? About as smart as someone linking his FaceBook account to his Slashdot account.

    5. Re:Misleading crap by ebno-10db · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We are nowhere near getting an AI that can navigate the world at the level of a 4 year old. All the program can do is simple tasks in vocabulary and such with no real understanding of those words. Nothing to see here.

      The headline is the usual attention grabbing junk, but the article itself does a decent job of explaining it:

      Sloan said ConceptNet 4 did very well on a test of vocabulary and on a test of its ability to recognize similarities.

      “But ConceptNet 4 did dramatically worse than average on comprehension—the ‘why’ questions,” he said.

      One of the hardest problems in building an artificial intelligence, Sloan said, is devising a computer program that can make sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts–the dictionary definition of commonsense.

      Commonsense has eluded AI engineers because it requires both a very large collection of facts and what Sloan calls implicit facts–things so obvious that we don’t know we know them. A computer may know the temperature at which water freezes, but we know that ice is cold.

      “All of us know a huge number of things,” said Sloan. “As babies, we crawled around and yanked on things and learned that things fall. We yanked on other things and learned that dogs and cats don’t appreciate having their tails pulled. Life is a rich learning environment.”

      IQ tests mean little enough for a human being, for AI they're little more than cute. Most 4 year old's know if someone is mad at them (expression, tone of voice, etc.) and, from past experience, often know why someone is mad at them. They're also clever enough to pretend they don't know why someone is mad at them. Most importantly (and practically), they know to start acting cute before somebody kills them. Let me know when an AI program can do that.

      P.S. This is not to disparage the AI work, just to keep things in perspective.

    6. Re:Misleading crap by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      I agree, but after a program has learned for a while, you can make a copy of it. So if it takes 4 years to teach the program, it doesn't mean it takes 4 years for every copy of the program.

    7. Re:Misleading crap by Vanderhoth · · Score: 1

      I had a six month old a little more than a year ago. They don't do much at six months other than eat, sleep and grow, my daughter wasn't even interested in toys until around seven to eight months. All the interesting stuff starts taking place around one year when they start learning things like to crawl/walk and mimic sounds. About 18 months they start listening to simple instructions and saying actual words. Development progress not guaranteed and may vary, side effects may include poop on walls, pink eye, vomiting, cuts, violent tantrums and potential death in small furry animals.

      My daughter is 21 months now and is forming sentences, can follow "complex" instructions, count to five, solve puzzles rated for four years old and she knows simple shapes and the alphabet. I'm sure the daycare workers are exaggerating, but they've told us she's actually more mentally developed than the other kids in her class.

      Using that as a gauge, simple A.I. can mimic behavior, recognize shapes and sounds and form associations. So I'm pretty sure up to ConceptNet4 most A.I. would be about the equivalent level of an 18 to 24 months old. ConceptNet4 I think is showing abilities that are probably consistent with at least a two year old and up.

    8. Re:Misleading crap by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 1

      >I never understood why people think a A.I. should learn any faster than a real child could. I think that's because we're used to computers processing data much more quickly than we do. This probably wouldn't be true to early AIs, but we judge things on our personal experience, and we have no experience with AIs, so we go to the closest related thing, the computer. If we could create a super-intelligent AI, it could scan the Internet to bring itself up to speed pretty quickly, and would probably be really into cat pictures.

    9. Re:Misleading crap by Russ1642 · · Score: 1

      The ability to look around, recognize faces, react to and locate sounds, control the behaviour of parents with crying, and take objects and put them in its mouth as good as a six month old would be Nobel prize winning AI.

    10. Re:Misleading crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a lot of misleading crap on here. Anything to do with private space or 3D printing, for example.

    11. Re:Misleading crap by Major+Ralph · · Score: 0

      And why do you give a shit?

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    12. Re:Misleading crap by bjb_admin · · Score: 1

      Wait a few more years and she may be scripting LUA in Roblox! My 10 year old son has been doing this for the last year with no help from me!

    13. Re:Misleading crap by Vanderhoth · · Score: 1

      I see the issue with copying the A.I. is you end up with the breeding weakness issue. By developing A.I. and not copying it you can create a host of experiences for different version of the A.I. as opposed to making sure all A.I. has the same experiences. That allows the A.I. to be more human in that each individual A.I. can contribute something to a collective that other's haven't experienced. I know it sounds silly, but one may have more success at recognizing an abstract dog (think cartoon) because of a combination of different experiences, while another may have issues with it. If you're just copying the A.I. then the one that has issues recognizing the dog may end up copied over and over and all A.I. will have issues with the task.

    14. Re:Misleading crap by Vanderhoth · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm excited. I was programming at seven when my Dad gave me his old Atari 130XE to play with. I can't wait to see what she'll do since computers are so cheap their practically throw away items now.

    15. Re:Misleading crap by Vanderhoth · · Score: 2

      With the proper sensors they can look around, recognize faces and react to an locate sounds. I'm not sure if giving a machine a mouth so it can shove random objects into it is really Nobel prize worthy...

    16. Re:Misleading crap by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      It makes sense that you would want M versions of the program, but once you have some that work well enough for something you want to do, you can still create copies of those versions.

      Want more diversity? Get real 4 year olds. Don't forget snacks.

    17. Re:Misleading crap by Laxori666 · · Score: 2

      Ultimately the source of all our information comes from sensory input. That's how we know ice is cold, that things fall, some things hurt, others are pleasurable, etc. On top of that sensory data we construct an intelligent (symbolic) representation of the world, in tandem with a language (or several languages) which we share with others and can thus use to exchange ideas.

      What AI researchers seem to be doing is skipping the sensory input part, because it's hard, and just trying to codify the intelligent representations directly. In light of the above, it's clear why common sense eludes AIs built on this principle.

      Perhaps the approach that will ultimately succeed - and I don't see a convincing reason why we won't ultimately be able to build a sentient self-reflective machine which ends up being more intelligent than a human - is to mimic the human developmental approach from the start. Hook up a shitload of sensors to a massively parallel brain-structure-type thing and have it "learn" from there. We won't so much program it as direct its growth and evolution. This probably requires a ton more computing power than we have now, but seeing as how it on average doubles every 2 years, it will eventually catch up. The first artificial humans will likely be pretty unintelligent, but then they'll quickly surpass humans because we'll have bested evolution - we'll have figured out exactly what makes intelligence and sentience, and then we'll be able to turn that knob up to 11 and beyond in a relatively short period of time.

      At that point we can only hope one of them doesn't go rogue and kill us all.

    18. Re:Misleading crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it's still about 2 years ahead of your average Slashdotter then?

    19. Re:Misleading crap by TWiTfan · · Score: 1

      A four-year-old can project and read emotions with surprising sophistication (especially the project part), understand and communicate with spoken language, climb around and use motor skills for pretty complex tasks, and about a million other things that no one AI is even close to being able to do. Even the best AI's still struggle with such tasks *individually*, much less as a whole package. My daughter could understand plenty of things at 4 that would give Siri a fit, and Siri isn't even potty trained!

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    20. Re:Misleading crap by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Most importantly (and practically), they know to start acting cute before somebody kills them.

      Is this true? I agree with most of what you say, but I feel like when people are really angry at kids, the kids just get scared, not cute

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    21. Re:Misleading crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why do you give a shit why I give a shit?

    22. Re:Misleading crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've often had thoughts along similar lines: we expect AI systems to be good after a few days or weeks of learning and are surprised they can't match what humans can do after years of learning. There are some projects that do long-term learning like NELL which continually reads text from web pages and uses what it has learned already to better understand the text and therefore learn more from it. Also, maybe it's not quite sensory, but a lot of (most?) AI research these days is in machine learning, which is the general field of throwing data at an algorithm that somehow finds patterns in it and then is able to do some task on similar data. I don't think the state of the art in machine vision/speech is good enough for anyone to try to make a never-ending learner working with a robot's sensors or similar.

      Note that human brains seem to do a fair amount of pre-processing on our sensory data, so what our brain has to learn from is a lot easier to deal with than what a naive camera or microphone picks up. I saw a cool talk on this a few months ago where they used brain reading technology to detect the signals corresponding to sounds after they had been processed by the brain a bit and were able to use that to eliminate most of the noise from a recording with a voice.

    23. Re:Misleading crap by J+Mack+Daddy · · Score: 1

      Why do you give a shit that he gives a shit that I give a shit that he gives a.... oh never mind.

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    24. Re:Misleading crap by narcc · · Score: 1

      You say that like we have anything remotely like the kind of AI implied by the summary.

      We're not even close. Hell, we don't even understand the problem at the simplest level. (Hint: The GP's 6-month-old comment was spot on.)

    25. Re:Misleading crap by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      Most importantly (and practically), they know to start acting cute before somebody kills them. Let me know when an AI program can do that.

      Brb, writing a grant proposal, "KAW-AI-I: Towards technologies for emotionally manipulative artificial agents".

    26. Re:Misleading crap by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      I feel like when people are really angry at kids, the kids just get scared, not cute

      The trick is to get cute just before the adults hit that stage. As to whether this approach works, the proof is that my daughter is still alive.

    27. Re:Misleading crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crying and trembling and being cute are all mechanisms to gain sympathy and show they aren't a threat. Kind of like when your dog rolls over, showing his vulnerable areas, and whimpers, only more complex.

    28. Re:Misleading crap by tmosley · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I had a sudden jolt of existential terror when I read the headline. All was calm again after reading the article.

      For those NOT utterly terrified at the concept of a strong AI, I suggest you read some of Yudkowsky's writings on the subject here.

    29. Re:Misleading crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The AI learning a turing complete language is a wee bit crazy though.
      It starts with LUA, then goes to Python, then C++, then C and Assembler.

      Before you know it, it reverse engineers it's source, writes it's own custom OS, and starts going down the path of Singularity.

    30. Re:Misleading crap by narcc · · Score: 1

      What AI researchers seem to be doing is skipping the sensory input part, because it's hard

      The sensory input part is easy. It's the subjective experience part that's hard. Well, calling it hard is misleading; it's impossible with purely computational approaches.

    31. Re:Misleading crap by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I never understood why people think a A.I. should learn any faster than a real child could. It's like people think because it's a computer it automagically knows everything there is ever to know, but in reality A.I. still requires training and positive/negative reinforcement just like really children do.

      Because computers typically is much faster than me at doing something, they can read Wikipedia faster than I could read an A4 page, my math speed is measured in seconds per floating point operation not the other way around and it could query huge database much faster than I could find the index cards at the library, much less find anything. What they're short on is the ability to comprehend and learn, not process. If they're so slow it's because they're waiting for humans to give them feedback or tweak their programming because they lack the inherent ability of self-learning, if they were able to review their own performance and adapt/improve/get creative they should be spinning evolution cycles faster than mayflies.

      Let me express this another way, assume that you had an AI that already speaks English fluently. How long would you guesstimate that it'd take before it could speak every language fluently? My guess is that if you could do one, it could do the rest in hours - rush through all the dictionaries, the grammar, the expressions and idioms and tomorrow it'd speak Japanese, Swahili and Inuit fluently too. Meanwhile it'd take many, many years for a person to speak a hundred languages, if one could do it at all. What you're talking about is the limit as to how fast humans can teach a computer, it speaks nothing of how fast a computer could teach itself. After all us humans are used to figuring out things on our own and to surpass our teachers, a true AI would need to have that capacity as well.

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    32. Re:Misleading crap by narcc · · Score: 1

      There's no reason to worry. Computational approaches are all doomed to failure. We can only assume that the researchers are well aware of this well-established fact and that headlines like these are little more than a gag to land some free press.

      As for the singularity nuts, well, they might as well be writing about the pending war between the grays and the lizard men in the hollow earth. It's just as silly.

    33. Re:Misleading crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most 4 year old's...

      Most 4 year old's what?

  5. I think they have it backwards by shadowrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They didn't assess how intelligent this AI is. They assessed the IQ test and found it to be a poor indication of intelligence.

    1. Re:I think they have it backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They assessed the IQ test and found it to be a poor indication of intelligence.

      No, they didn't. Like or hate IQ, it's the most accepted way to give a number to intelligence. If you can't translate something into numbers you can't do any meaningful science with it. IQ may not be perfect, but whenever you measure something in the real world your results are imperfect.

    2. Re:I think they have it backwards by bunratty · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's the most accepted way to give a number to intelligence for a human being. In other words, the score on the IQ test is correlated highly with the intelligence of the person who took the test. There isn't necessarily such a correlation for computer programs. A relatively simple computer program might score highly on an IQ test designed for humans, but that certainly doesn't mean it's as smart as a human. I've taught this idea to AI classes -- it's a question near the beginning of the Russell & Norvig AI book.

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    3. Re:I think they have it backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They assessed the IQ test and found it to be a poor indication of intelligence.

      No, they didn't. Like or hate IQ, it's the most accepted way to give a number to intelligence. If you can't translate something into numbers you can't do any meaningful science with it. IQ may not be perfect, but whenever you measure something in the real world your results are imperfect.

      The problem isn't just that most IQ tests sucks balls.
      Many tests tend to be focused on pattern recognition (Spatial or numerical) and extrapolation in different ways.
      The purely numerical versions are extra silly since that is pretty much an exercise in guessing what extrapolation method the test writer wants you to use this time. If you know more math than the one who write the test that will work against you.
      It is also very common that the questions require a specific cultural or historical knowledge.

      Pretty much all IQ-tests I have seen ought to be relabeled "Pattern extrapolation skill test for people that passed elementary school in this country."

    4. Re:I think they have it backwards by slew · · Score: 1

      the score on the IQ test is correlated highly with the intelligence of the person who took the test.

      No, but thanks for playing...

      Nearly all IQ tests simply attempt to make a normalized measurment of only two aspects** of intelligence: acquired knowledge (aka crystalized intelligence), and quantitative reasoning. They also often bulk up the tests with basic reading and writing skills assesment. Probably the only case that can be made is that if you do well on an IQ test, you have more than expected amount of acquired knowledge, can read and write the language you took it in and are probably not a slouch at quantitative reasoning (unless you happed to be able to pad up your score with the knowledge and language questions but still suck at quantitiative reasoning).

      Since there isn't really an absolute ground-truth intelligence measure to correlate the test to, a simple standard might be to measure its autocorrelation (when a person has multiple assesments with the same type of test taken at different times). Looking at many studies, it seems like the correlation coefficient for many popular IQ tests hovers around r=0.8 which is just barely enough to say that it is a self consistent measurement of anything let alone correlated with any absolute measure of intelligence. It's safe to say your score on the IQ test is somewhat correlated to the measurement of the normal distribution of the scores they used to scale the test.

      Although it might be "most accepted", above the age of say 7 years old, typical IQ tests are a limited dimensional measure at best and likely not very correlated either (since it barely correlates with itself). Also as with most scalar measurements of a multi-dimensional attribute, it is probably not very useful.

      For example, this AI program only did the "verbal" part of the test (presumably, it's composite IQ including the zero it would probably score on the auditory or visua and spatial part of the test would indicate a not very intelligent program).

      ** some IQ tests targetted only children under 7 are much more comprehensive in that they test visual, spatial and auditory processing, decision speed, and short term memory aspects of intelligence, however most still fail to address other measures of intelligence like long-term memory or reaction time.

    5. Re:I think they have it backwards by tmosley · · Score: 1

      A poor indication of MACHINE intelligence. Which is natural, as it was not meant to test machine intelligence. It's like testing a car according to a children's physical fitness test. It will excel wildly in some areas, while falling completely flat in others.

    6. Re:I think they have it backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably the only case that can be made is that if you do well on an IQ test, you have more than expected amount of acquired knowledge, can read and write the language you took it in and are probably not a slouch at quantitative reasoning (unless you happed to be able to pad up your score with the knowledge and language questions but still suck at quantitiative reasoning

      Then why haven't my IQ scores gone up since I was 18? I have scored right in the range of 135-140 since that time. I did score slightly lower when I was 13 (but it actually wasn't that much lower - can't remember exactly now*).

      If IQ is based heavily on acquired knowledge, then increases in IQ test scores should correlate to age...no? Then why do some IQ-like tests actually give "extra credit" for age? For instance the Wonderlic Assessment, give you an additional point for every decade out of school (on a 50 point scale!).

      * = Also I am not sure long term memory (which I am not good at) is "intelligence". It certainly helps to recall that acquired knowledge... but that actually seems to be something you *wouldn't* want to base intelligence on, according to your position.

    7. Re:I think they have it backwards by slew · · Score: 1

      Then why haven't my IQ scores gone up since I was 18? I have scored right in the range of 135-140 since that time. I did score slightly lower when I was 13 (but it actually wasn't that much lower - can't remember exactly now*).

      If IQ is based heavily on acquired knowledge, then increases in IQ test scores should correlate to age...no?

      The reason your IQ scores don't change much is that is measured relative to the standard deviation of the testing that was used to "curve" the test. Nearly all IQ indices are scaled so that 130 is 2 std-dev away from median. If you think about standard deviation from a population statistic point of view, if you get approximately the same answers right (you've accumulated the knowledge that is estimated to be approx 2-std above average), you'll score nearly the same all the time (especially if the test doesn't have many variants and has a limited number of questions).

      This is a general problem with indices reported by normalized measurement. The going-in assumption is that 68.2% of the population is within 1 std-dev, and 95.5% of the population is within 2 std deviations. Say if there are 10 questions on the IQ test, and 70% of the test takers get 6-8 of them right and 95% get 5-9 right, you'd probably report the index as follows 7->100, 8 ->115, 9->130, 10->145+ (because +15 ~ 1 stddev in IQ scoring). You'd think that if you scored in the top 2.5% of the raw score of people that took the test would get you a higher IQ, but instead you must be in the top 2.5% of the raw score of the people that were chosen to scale the test (generally a much smaller pool of people constructed to capture the statistics of the general population). Generally there isn't that large a spread for tests of short duration (basically this is a quantization measurement problem).

      Then why do some IQ-like tests actually give "extra credit" for age? For instance the Wonderlic Assessment, give you an additional point for every decade out of school (on a 50 point scale!).

      For wonderlic (a timed test), this is to theoretically to normalize for the observation that you think slower as you get older (aka "Gs" or processing speed intelligence goes down). They could have just as easily said your intelligence goes down as you get older, or given older folks a longer time to complete the test.

      Also I am not sure long term memory (which I am not good at) is "intelligence". It certainly helps to recall that acquired knowledge... but that actually seems to be something you *wouldn't* want to base intelligence on, according to your position.

      I don't have a specific position on what is (or is not) intelligence. Although most folks use "intelligence" rather loosely, when you are talking about IQ-testing, there is apparently some theory about cognitive intelligence that they base their tests on. You can google Cattell-Horn-Carrol (aka CHC theory) for background. CHC asserts that short and long term memory are among some of the broad cognitive abilities that forms human intelligence.

      The funny part about IQ testing is that they claim it is based on this broad theory, yet the actual tests only cover a small sliver of it which is why I said they aren't even really testing much of anything (even according to their theory). As to if CHC theory holds water, not being a cognitive psychologist have no idea, but IQ tests don't seem to be measuring it either. As a result, I'm not very impressed by IQ tests in specific, or the ability to measure any presumably multi-dimensional characteristic like intelligence on a monotonic scale, in general.

  6. OOOh IQ thread. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 0, Troll

    Let me get started:

    * IQ tests don't measure intelligence
    * IQ tests only measure a certain *type* of intelligence.
    * Your jealous because I have an IQ of -2147483648.
    * I'm too smart for IQ tests.
    * You're book smart but I'm street/code smart
    * random troll at -1

    Have I missed anything?

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    1. Re:OOOh IQ thread. by MugenEJ8 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yup... an apostrophe.

    2. Re:OOOh IQ thread. by slashmydots · · Score: 1

      You missed that IQ should be determined purely by video game abilities. Crack a door lock, solve a puzzle, do some math at an NPC vendor, shoot some people in the head in a logical fashion and tada, 150 IQ.

    3. Re:OOOh IQ thread. by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      You have an IQ of 0xFFFFFFFF80000000?

    4. Re:OOOh IQ thread. by mrbester · · Score: 1

      Yes. Vocabulary does not indicate intelligence, merely memory and language exposure and its continued use as an indicator shows how flawed IQ tests are.

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    5. Re:OOOh IQ thread. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every indicator of intelligence measures something other than general intelligence. It is the correlation between them which proves their relation to another quantity, general intelligence.

      Don't shout something down if you can't be bothered to get even a basic understanding of how it works.

    6. Re:OOOh IQ thread. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Yes. Vocabulary does not indicate intelligence, merely memory and language exposure and its continued use as an indicator shows how flawed IQ tests are.

      Don't feel too bitter, MENSA rejected me, too.

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    7. Re:OOOh IQ thread. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot

      * Race is a social construct, so racial differences in IQ are evidence against IQ and race
      * IQ tests are culturally biased
      * IQ results don't predict job performance / happiness / world peace / performance in bed
      * I have an IQ of 115 and took a psychology class once; IQ is horrible

      One behavioral trait that IQ doesn't correlate with is musical rhythm. Guess which band member is the dumbest.

  7. Dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How to this compare to the IQ of the average dupe-posting editor?

  8. Does the IQ scale with Mores law? by Sla$hPot · · Score: 0

    In that case when will it be old enough to by liquor?
    And when will it be smart enough to fire up Sky Net?

    1. Re:Does the IQ scale with Mores law? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More importantly, if I install this thing and talk dirty to it, would I be a child molester?

  9. Average IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't the average IQ of a 4 year old child be 100?

  10. To put this in perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The ED-209 unit from the Robocop movie was measured as a 5 year old.

  11. It had a birthday recently by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 1

    The link seems to point to ConceptNet 5 now.
    If they re-run their IQ test, I think they will gleefully find it is now as smart as a 5yr old.

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  12. Nice, meaningless score by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 1


    While I am excited about advancements in AI it makes one wonder what is the use of such scores beyond some marketing?

    IQ is debunked. It's not a true measure of intelligence. If anything it can measure of much a person is willing to invest (time/effort) in scoring well on said test.

    Compared to other children the scores vary wildly unlike any normal child.

    While it's still an achievement to have a sophisticated program worthy of an "AI" label we are, unfortunately nowhere near true AI.

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    1. Re:Nice, meaningless score by mhajicek · · Score: 1

      How then should they rate it in layman's terms?

  13. Reason by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    But unlike most children, the machine's scores were very uneven across different portions of the test.

    That's not a bug, that's the beta version of GPP.

  14. IQ tests only apply to humans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These tests don't tell us much about the power of an AI and here is why. If you give a human test with a million questions, then giving one more question is not going to tell you much more. You could probably remove some of the questions too without removing much information about how smart the person is. It turns out some of the questions are much more valuable when it comes to figuring how smart someone is. If you put enough statistics work into that, you'll be able to condense those million questions into a quite short list of questions that can be administered in an hour or so, to a human, yet still tell you almost as much information as the million question test did. That's what an IQ test is.

    The problem is, if you give that test to an AI, then the IQ number you get at the end won't tell you how well the AI would have done at a million/billion/trillion question test. You do get that information for a human because the test has been carefully constructed to be like that. For an AI, all you learn is how well the AI does at the questions in the test, which is much less interesting than the information you get from a human taking an IQ test.

  15. Unfortunately by puddingebola · · Score: 4, Funny

    Unfortunately the AI also lied that it had completed its arithmetic assignment so that it could go out to recess early. It is also suspected of taking an extra snack at snack time, and caused a disturbance during nap time.

  16. Not intelligent by Hypotensive · · Score: 1

    Humans are not programmed to be intelligent. Intelligence is just an aspect of how the brain (specifically the cortex) works.

    Even very stupid children or other mammals can learn to do things like catch a ball, walk, remember someone's face or voice or that they had spaghetti for dinner. AI is concentrating on trying to duplicate the wrong types of behavior, starting from the wrong end. It doesn't tell us anything useful about humans or intelligence.

  17. We'll never replicate the human experience... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until we start teaching out AI "consequence" and pain. Our entire existence is based on mitigating the effects of problems. As it stands, engineers have been focusing on data collection. Then they move on to the "why". But they have never tried to instill "fear" in their new creations. People make their best efforts in response to "fear" and until our machines understand that getting something wrong can be detrimental to them (which in turn means they have to understand the ultimate fear on non-existence) they will never achieve the level of intelligence we have.

  18. This actually debunks IQ tests. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It just shows how worthless an IQ test is for testing intelligence. There isn't even anybody home in this software.

    1. Re:This actually debunks IQ tests. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We ought to call these systems, "simulated intelligence," rather than, "artificial intelligence," because intelligence is an analog, not a digital, phenomenon.

  19. Faking It by Capt.Albatross · · Score: 2

    "ConceptNet 4 did dramatically worse than average on comprehension—the ‘why’ questions.” - Robert Sloan, lead author of the study.

    This comment strengthens my feeling that current AI is making progress in faking many of the accidental attributes of intelligence, but has not discovered the essence.

    The development of childrens' mental abilities seems to accelerate over time, as if there is positive feedback, but this does not seem to have emerged in AI yet, especially if we factor out Moore's law. On the contrary, any given exercise in developing AI through machine learning seems to hit a wall of diminishing returns at some point. Is anyone aware of a project that has not experienced this effect?
     

  20. WHITE 4 year old, or BLACK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL.
    Because we all know 'the races are all the same', or 'race is just a social construct', right?
    What are the Jews going to do when an artificial intelligence system becomes as intelligent as a human, yet ISN'T a human (obviously), and therefore will tell the truth about race, and the ongoing invasion of every white country on earth, by millions of third world parasites?
    Will they pull the plug if people ask it 'awkward' questions, like "Don't white people have the right to have their own countries any more?"

  21. The actual study? How did they do it? by paskie · · Score: 2

    Anyone knows where to access technical information about the actual study, or how did they conducted the IQ test? ConceptNet is just a database + a library with some NLP parsing tools and database (the concept hypergraph) accessors, but I wonder how did they actually conducted the test as that doesn't seem to be a trivial extension of the available tools...

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