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Poll Shows That 75% Prefer Printed Books To eBooks

Attila Dimedici writes "In a new Rasmussen poll, 75% of American adults would rather read a book in traditional print format than in an ebook format. Only 15% prefer the ebook format (the other 10% are undecided). The latter is a drop from the 23% that preferred the ebook format in Rasmussen's 2011 poll. In addition, more say they buy their books from a brick and mortar store than say they buy books online (35% from brick and mortar, 27% online). I suspect that the 27% who buy online buy more books, but these results are interesting and suggest that the brick and mortar bookstore is not necessarily doomed."

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  1. I agree by Virtucon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For casual reading, e-books are fine but for technical materials I prefer hard copy that way there's no fear that the distributor won't change their TOS and I wind up losing a ton of C++ reference material or my favorite books on Roman History.

    Spoiler alert: If you're wondering about the Roman History part, the empire collapsed.

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    1. Re:I agree by iggymanz · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Roman Empire still here, but the seat of power moved around a bit since the 400s. It's currently in Washington, D.C.

    2. Re:I agree by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you're wondering about the Roman History part, the empire collapsed.

      Good. Listen, the only people we hate more than the Romans, are the f*cking Judean People's Front!

    3. Re:I agree by KiloByte · · Score: 2

      Don't buy DRMed ebooks, don't buy from 1984-enabled stores, problem solved.

      I for one use a cheapo ebook reader without Wifi connectivity. Try to remotely delete a book from that.

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    4. Re:I agree by davide+marney · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The irony of eBooks is although they are orders of magnitude more capable of random-access reading, the only comfortable way to use them is for sequential reading. Try flipping back to an earlier part of an eBook, and then returning to your original place. Agonizing. Try looking at two or more passages at once. Impossible. Try keeping notes or a collection of citations, and on most eBooks, it's amazingly lacking.

      The main problem with eBooks is that the user experience is very immature. Developers gave us an easy way to sequentially read, and apparently thought that was enough. You have to go to desktop-based ebook readers to even come close to satisfying the normal use cases for reading books.

      Of course, don't get me started on how less of a value an eBook is compared to a physical book. Amazon's policies on lending ebooks are an insult (you can only lend 'x' times, for two weeks, and you have to give Amazon the email of the person you're lending to.) And that's just Amazon.

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    5. Re:I agree by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Roman Empire still here, but the seat of power moved around a bit since the 400s. It's currently in Washington, D.C.

      The tin-foil is strong with this one.

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    6. Re:I agree by jkflying · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, it's currently in Vatican City.

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    7. Re:I agree by bfandreas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm currently in the process of moving. Seems like I'm moving shop every 5 years or so. And again I have packed all my media stuff. Guess what? I haven't used my DVDs in ages. Same goes for my books and my CDs. These days I purchase exclusively electonically. My games are on GOG/Steam. My music comes in form of Amazon MP3s. Same goes for my books.

      The very moment I can get stuff dirt cheap(Steam) or I can easily remove DRM so I can take full possession of my purchases I do prefer buying electronically. In that respect I do love this our electonic age. DRM is just teething problems.

      I even find that reading comics is actually very good on a high-res tablet.

      So in the following months I will get rid of most of my books, CDs and DVDs. Should have done so ages ago. There is very little I will hang onto. Time to de-clutter. I like being able to move with only stuff that fits into the trunk of a car. Not quite Fight Club style, but close enough.

      Suprisingly the same does not apply to my GF :P

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    8. Re:I agree by icebraining · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uhm, here in /., I think people are expected to know the different between executable and non-executable formats, the ability of APIs and such.

      If you buy a PDF or EPUB file and don't allow it to run scripts, there's no way it can "delete itself", or run anything else, for that matter.

    9. Re: I agree by rjr162 · · Score: 2

      Same with me... PDF manuals are great but I print the sections I need and highlight, or read the PDF while copy/pasting or typing the sections I need and printing my version out.

      Same deal with when I do remote starts. So much easier to have a hard copy on hand than messing with a PDF or website on a damn laptop or handheld

    10. Re:I agree by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 3, Funny

      The Roman Empire still here, but the seat of power moved around a bit since the 400s. It's currently in Washington, D.C.

      I agree. The Dune Encyclopedia is an incredible book.

      Atomics were first used to resolve a feud between House Nippon and House Washington.

    11. Re:I agree by slazzy · · Score: 2

      Personally I buy from where I choose, but the first thing I do is strip DRM from any purchase I make (music or ebooks) and add the files to my backup systems. I consider it an investment for my future. . .

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    12. Re:I agree by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      I have a copy of the IDSM (as it used to be called back at DEC) and even though its nearly useless (concepts are still good) I cannot get rid of it. its part of history that cannot be replaced and probably won't be found online.

      most others, yes, I think I will get rid of my old comp-sci books. everything in them can be found online so there's no need to hold onto dead tree editions for common things.

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    13. Re:I agree by EdZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Try flipping back to an earlier part of an eBook, and then returning to your original place.

      If you can't do that, then the issue is with your software, not the format. Being able to flick back between two (or more) bookmarked positions instantly is one of the really useful features of ebooks. One example I use almost every day is in laptop disassembly manuals: to get to one part (say, the HSF assembly) there are certain other parts that need to be removed in order. The location for that specific part will have a section listing links to the parts that need to be removed to access that part. Clicking one of these links, stepping through that sub-process, then hitting the 'return to last position' shortcut is far faster than flicking through a printed manual.

    14. Re:I agree by Virtucon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You just put a qualification on your statement "don't allow it to run scripts" Again, if I have a PDF with DRM in it, you bet it can there's more than one way to do it. You have to run your e-book in some piece of software and unless you're willing to write your own e-reader you can assume that it's disposable content. But anything you can do with software you can do to your digital content, even something as mundane as deleting it. Knowledge of executable and non-executable formats my ass.

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    15. Re:I agree by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 3, Funny

      Great reference material. I shall have to find my local copy later. My preserved copy is in my no-room, of course.

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    16. Re:I agree by wmac1 · · Score: 2

      I guess that's because:

      - Tablets and ebook readers are still not comfortable (to hold, to read, ...)
      - DRM makes you worry you may lose the ebook you have obtained
      - It is not easy to mark the book (Most available software have awkward, incompatible, hard to use marking features and some need Stylus etc.)
      - The battery life, charging and maintenance of the device bothers.
      - The device is easier to drop, break etc.

      Otherwise it is just fabulous to be able to have a library in your hand and read whatever book you like whenever you like. If producers can solve the above issues, I guess I won't need printed books at all.

      Btw, I recently hesitantly checked a Sony Xperia Tablet Z and it was very lightweight and comfortable to hold (but very expensive). However most PDF readers I have checked are inferior to the Acrobat reader on PC.

    17. Re:I agree by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      Most dreading software I've used has bookmark and return to last page features.

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    18. Re:I agree by SteveFoerster · · Score: 2

      Indeed -- led by the Pontifex Maximus and everything.

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    19. Re:I agree by RedHackTea · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Yes, disadvantages and advantages. The biggest advantages eBook Readers gave us over the usual arguments of easily readying heavy books and carrying around many books at once are:
      • Search for text; in my eReader, I can search for a word and find all instances quickly
      • Instant dictionary built-in, else, I have to carry around 2 books or (1 book and a laptop/eDictionary)
      • Instantly buy a book from anywhere with Wifi; don't have to drive to the bookstore or order a book and wait 3 business days
      • Notes are harder to type in, but I can keep a lot more notes (not restricted by margin width) and in better organization (not a bunch of post-its)
      • Spill coffee on my eReader... still have all of my books online

      Ultimately, the many books in one book sold me. I love to read 4-5 books simultaneously with auto-bookmarks and only having to carry around one light device. When eInk came out, it was a done deal, as I originally still disliked the idea because of more shining lights into my eyes...

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    20. Re:I agree by icebraining · · Score: 2

      Again, if I have a PDF with DRM in it

      As the doctor in the joke said, "then don't do that". First, buying DRMed content is unethical - you're contributing to the problem. Second, if you happen to run across some PDF with DRM, you can probably take it out and shoot it using a Calibre plugin.

      You have to run your e-book in some piece of software and unless you're willing to write your own e-reader you can assume that it's disposable content.

      There are many Free Software PDF and ebook readers which have no DRM capabilities. I use Zathura, for example.

      But anything you can do with software you can do to your digital content, even something as mundane as deleting it.

      Again, that shows a remarkable lack of understanding of computer security, particularly the notion of privileges. My browser can read /etc/hosts, but can't delete it, even though "software" as a whole can. That's because I don't give it permissions to do so. Similarly, you can also not give your PDF and ebook readers permission to delete the file.

      Besides, even if that wasn't true, it's anything you can do *with software*. But why exactly are you limited to that? Try this: copy the file to an USB drive, unplug it, and then run the PDF reader. Hard to delete that, innit?

    21. Re:I agree by CronoCloud · · Score: 3, Funny

      You mean the People's Front of Judea!

      Splitter!

    22. Re:I agree by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

      While I am glad you have a solution that works for you, it would not work for me. I am sorry that the fact there are people different from you makes you so angry.

      Your software sucks, then. Use one that allows for multiple arbitrary bookmarks and multiple windows.

      You misunderstood. I don't use ebook readers/software. I use service manual pdfs for those particular jobs. For all other reading, I still use printed on paper books.

      And I can grep for "last time character X was mentioned on the same page as character Y".

      And where did I say that the situation I look for was the last time for anything. The search would have to be for all instances. Flipping back a couple hundred pages is quicker. Especially since, as I mentioned, I can usually go to the page I need, or a page either side of it. That's not bragging or lying, that's simply what I do, and it is quicker than what you do.

      No need to flip around, but if I did, there is a scroll bar with print version page numbers.

      You must have missed the point that I don't know the page number I want. I know the point in the book I want. That doesn't translate to a scroll bar with page numbers.

      So, again, I am happy you have a good method to read, and it works for you. But please take you condescension and anger to another thread. I don't feel like being the target of it.

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    23. Re:I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And what is Clippy if not advanced AI?

    24. Re:I agree by Miamicanes · · Score: 2

      ^^^ The devil incarnate.

    25. Re:I agree by mangu · · Score: 2

      Clicking one of these links, stepping through that sub-process, then hitting the 'return to last position' shortcut is far faster than flicking through a printed manual.

      How is clicking a menu to add a bookmark easier or faster than inserting anything that's at hand in the page?

      If I want a more permanent bookmark there are a variety of stickers that I can use, using different colors or making annotations if necessary.

      When I'm holding a book and need to follow two different parts at once, the best procedure is often to hold a finger in each page and alternate between them by twisting my wrist, how could any clicking be faster than that?

      I need to move the mouse to a precise position, aim the pointer and click. In a tablet or similar it's even worse. I usually need to use both hands, sometimes magnifying the screen to be able to tap the exact position.

    26. Re:I agree by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 2

      I guess no Monty Python fans had mod points.

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  2. In a perfect world; but, not the one we live in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I like printed books; but, they don't match the convenience of electronic books. I carry an iPod touch and I read everywhere, waiting for a meal, waiting for the Doctor, waiting for the Dentist, waiting for the long query to finish. If I run through the current book, I buy another online. It doesn't matter that it is midnight or 2 a.m.. I have whole bookstores ready to serve me.

    Now sitting down in front of the fireplace with that paper book is pleasant. I'm not waiting until Winter and enough spare time to do that. I'm addicted to electronic books and would not willingly go back.

    1. Re:In a perfect world; but, not the one we live in by MacDork · · Score: 2

      I like printed books; but, they don't match the convenience of electronic books

      Depends on what you mean by electronic books. Not all are the same. A DRM'ed copy of anything is not convenient to me at all. I may want to transfer it to another device or sell it. DRM prevents me from doing legal things that I can do with a paper book. So I won't even consider a DRM'ed book. A simple, unecrypted PDF on the other hand is much better than the printed book IMO. I can easily search a PDF's contents. I can't do that with paper.

  3. Slow death despite nostalgia? by melonman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd be interested to see the answers broken down by age. It may well be that most of the people who love paper books will be dead in 20 years.

    I suspect there's also a "fake good" effect, in that people feel they ought to be supporting their local bookshop and therefore say that they do, even if, in fact, they buy a book a year in an airport and every other book on Amazon.

    Personally, I really like paper, even for technical books, but all my colleagues look at me like I'm wearing sabre-toothed tiger skins and wielding a club.

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    1. Re:Slow death despite nostalgia? by u38cg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I suspect there's a big cohort effect. People like what they know, and the vast majority of the book-reading public has been using paper longer than screens. I know I see teenagers who have no problem using a screen for extended reading, which drives me nuts.

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    2. Re:Slow death despite nostalgia? by illaqueate · · Score: 4, Insightful

      iirc Rasmussen telephone polling doesn't even include cell phones. Polling people who still have a land line seems like a good way to get a skewed result.

    3. Re:Slow death despite nostalgia? by Teckla · · Score: 2

      I'd be interested to see the answers broken down by age. It may well be that most of the people who love paper books will be dead in 20 years.

      Or it might be the opposite!

      I'm middle aged, and have middle aged friends, and work with lots of middle aged (and older) people. One common trend we've noticed is that as you get older, you want less physical stuff. The trend seems to accelerate when you reach your sixties and beyond.

      I can easily see older people not wanting heavy, bulky bookshelves full of books, not to mention the hassle of having to go physically acquire them.

    4. Re:Slow death despite nostalgia? by hedwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And don't forget that people's eyes tend to start to go as they age, which means being able to enlarge the font arbitrarily becomes more valuable as people age. Means that you don't have to replace those books with large print editions, assuming there even is one for that particular book.

  4. Real vs Virtual; Permanent vs. Temporary by QuietLagoon · · Score: 3, Insightful
    When I buy a printed book, I own the book. I can read the book whenever and where ever I want.

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    When I buy an eBook, I do not own the book. In order to read the book, I have to hope that some DRM server somewhere will authorize the eBook reader to show me the book I want to read.

    I have books on my book shelves that are over 50 years old, and I can still read them fine. Can the same be said about eBooks 50 years from now?

    1. Re:Real vs Virtual; Permanent vs. Temporary by russbutton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Several years ago I purchased a hard copy of the Doris Kerns Goodwin book, "Team of Rivals", which is about Abraham Lincoln's cabinet. An extraordinary work, but it's HUGE! I tried taking it with me during my work commute, but it was a real pain to stand on the bus and try to read. So it just sat on the shelf.

      I purchased an e-copy of the book from Amazon. I have a kindle reader on my Android phone that allows me to pull it out and read a few pages whenever I have dead time and now I'm finally getting a chance to read it.

      We own a 92 year old, 1100 sq ft bungalow in California and there really isn't all that much room to store books. I've also pitched out about 2/3rds of my music collection due to lack of space. I'm down to about 600 records and about 600 CDs. I've ripped all of the CDs to digital and now listen to them off of a music server. The records will take a LOT longer.

      Hard copy books are cool, but after a time, stuff you collect is just stuff...

      That being said, I totally agree that tech books have to be hard copy. Can't work with that off of an e-reader.

    2. Re:Real vs Virtual; Permanent vs. Temporary by Immerman · · Score: 2

      Certainly this would seem to be the only sane response. Too bad it's illegal, just like all those movies you could otherwise rip from your DVD collection to watch on your phone.

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    3. Re:Real vs Virtual; Permanent vs. Temporary by bitt3n · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have books on my book shelves that are over 50 years old, and I can still read them fine. Can the same be said about eBooks 50 years from now?

      I doubt it. Your eyesight will probably be considerably worse by then.

  5. Maybe that isn't surprising by cold+fjord · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe things are different now, maybe not.

    Reading and Writing with Computers: A Framework for Explaining Differences in Performance

    Most studies have found that reading from paper is faster than reading from computer screens. Muter, et al. [1982] showed that reading from TV screens took 25% longer than from paper, but produced roughly equal comprehension scores. Wright and Lickorish [1983] also found that paper was faster. Gould and Grischkowsky [1984] studied subjects performing an eight hour proof reading task. They found that work was more rapid on paper, with slightly higher quality than on personal computers. Our own experiments verified these results and extended them to positional memory and various alternate computer conditions.

    (I was actually looking for something else this morning and stumbled across this, and the topic came up on Slashdot. Synchronicity?)

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    1. Re:Maybe that isn't surprising by Trepidity · · Score: 2

      Here's a more recent study with similar conclusions, studying high-school students in Taiwan. However another study, testing something slightly different, found that when students were given a quiz after reading a chapter in either a paper or electronic textbook, they did equally well.

    2. Re:Maybe that isn't surprising by Immerman · · Score: 2

      >Muter, et al. [1982] showed that reading from TV screens took 25% longer than from paper
      I don't think there can be any claim that this applies to modern screens without new research, for the following reason - modern screens can display a static image, at least those without flickering backlights can.

      In 1982 TVs were CRT based, meaning only a few pixels were illuminated at any given moment (the phosphor glow faded very rapidly), and the complete image only existed in the minds of the watchers with their slow visual systems. That works fine for movies, but your eyes only have a very narrow cone of high-resolution perception*, and move a lot when reading. And every time they move you have to wait for the next CRT refresh before there's a mental after-image for your brain to start processing. Call it 30fps for an interleaved screen to fully refresh - that's once every 33 ms, or an average 17ms wait between when the eye fixates and when an after-image forms to begin reading. Given that the average fixation period is 200-250ms that's a reasonably expected 7.5% slowdown right off the top, before even considering any possible additional mental or visual strain imposed by glare, poor contrast, the strobing image, or the initial incomplete interleaved image (20-30fps is about the speed where our brains will perceive smooth motion in a sequence of static images, but our perception still extends to things quite a bit faster than that)

      * An example of what your eye actually sees when looking at a piece of text:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EyeFixationsReading.gif

      And every time they move you have to wait for the next CRT refresh before there's a mental after-image to start reading.

      meaning that any time you moved your eyes you would have to wait for the next refresh cycle before there was an after-image on the proper part of your retina to be able to see anything. Your eye's high-resolution (slowed down a

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  6. Different messages for different mediums by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 2

    The ebook is a different medium and as Marshall McLuhan pointed out the medium is the message. That is the medium dictates how the message is best sent and interpreted. Ebooks can simulate a paper book but just taking a book best formatted for paper is often not going to work well when just stuffed into an ebook. Many times it is simple the diagrams and whatnot being the wrong size for the often smaller screen. But other times (as with a magazines) you want to flick through looking for an article that catches your attention. Some like paperbacks translate well to the kindle with its e-ink and simple page turning formula.

    Then with ebooks there are potential advantages such as speed of downloading, massive weight reductions, easy logistics, etc.

    So I would not condemn the ebook so much as we should condemn the near lack of innovation in taking advantage of this wonderful new medium. To me this would be like saying that TV was not an improvement over radio if all people had done with it was to film people reading radio plays.

    If I had to guess ebook improvements would include the obvious such as interactivity and formatting changes. But other things such getting rid of a general purpose textbook covering many subjects at one level and changing it so that each subject is covered from beginning to end and you just move on to another subject when you reach the desired level.

  7. Kindle changed my view by Secret+Agent+Man · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, more specifically, Amazon did. With a Kindle book, I can read it on any device (Kindle preferred, of course; love its display), can access my books anywhere with an Internet connection, and can even put documents I want to read on my devices onto my Kindle/cloud/etc by e-mail. Their implementation is rock-solid, and their main device feels just like reading a book to me.

    1. Re:Kindle changed my view by chilvence · · Score: 2

      Heh, even though Amazon say they backtracked and changed their policy after that, this single stupid move did more to damage the reputation of ebooks than anyone who is against them could ever have possibly hoped to achieve. And with 1984, of all books....

      I mean, up till then, the only concrete disadvantage I could see with ebook vs paper, is that if civilisation collapsed and humankind was no longer able to generate electricity at throwaway prices, then our entire written culture up to that moment would vanish instantly in a puff of magnetic bits. Or in other words, not exactly something anyone is planning on. But then Amazon pulled this clown bullshit...and MADE a problem where none should have existed!

      Eric Arthur Blair would have a very smug look on his face if he could see this.

    2. Re:Kindle changed my view by phayes · · Score: 2

      The most important part is that between calibre & ApprenticeAlfs de drm tools, every ebook purchased on Amazon can be de-DRMed in 10 seconds. I buy non-DRMed books whenever possible & remove the DRM on the rest.

      I'd like to buy the DRMed stuff elsewhere like in the apple store to push competition in this amazon dominated marketplace but not being able to remove the junk brings be back to amazon.

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  8. I prefer ebook. by pecosdave · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've read lots and lots of books over time, and most of them have been paper format. I'm 35 and was a book worm for about the age of 8 until close to my 30's when I just got plowed over with responsibility. I'm picking up the habit again.

    I prefer ebooks.

    Unlike cheap paperbacks if I fail to hold the thing open right it doesn't snap shut and cause me to completely lose my place. I can buy all the ebooks I want, and when it comes time to move I don't have to give myself a hernia moving the collection. As I continue to collect ebooks I don't have to find more space on the book shelf for them, and I can keep them forever without just giving up my investment if I want to re-read it.

    My house has been robbed (by a deputy sheriff no less) and flooded by the storm surge of Hurricane Ike. Yes I had books stolen when I was robbed and after the hurricane I literally used a shovel to move the pulpy volumes into the trash bags. Even if both of my competing supplier ebook readers get burned up as my home catches fire all of my ebooks will be back in my hands as soon as I buy new later model readers to replace my old ones.

    I still do occasionally buy dead-tree books. Watchmen for obvious reasons, I have the Dark Tower series, both the hard back and Marvel versions for art reasons. I collected comics as a kid, but other than a few adult targeted ones like I just mentioned I'm not into that anymore, still I do look forward to color e-ink, even if it's only 16 color or something crappy like that for comic reasons.

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  9. Sir, Permission to disagree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I like both printed books and ebooks. They both have strengths and weaknesses, they complement each other rather than replace either in my view.

    I like to have heavy to carry around technical books (DRM free) and vendor documentation on ebook reader. eBook also more convenient not causing problems to breathe compared to a 3000+ large page monster on you chest when you lay on couch, hammock or bed while reading. But then often reading experience on table or while sitting on good armchair with good lighting etc. often nothing comes near real printed book.

    IMHO, eBook is great especially for short lived stuff, manuals that are updated few times a year with the product they describe and of course magazines, but printed books anything I expect to have more value over let's say 5 years.

    1. Re:Sir, Permission to disagree. by readin · · Score: 2

      With a family, I'm finding the advantage for paper books is lack of contention for the limited number of book reading devices. It's annoying when you want to read your book but can't because someone else is playing a game, watching YouTube, watching a movie, reading a different book, etc..

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    2. Re:Sir, Permission to disagree. by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2

      ...eBook also more convenient not causing problems to breathe compared to a 3000+ large page monster...

      I would have been infinitely grateful if there had been a decent ebook device with both large format and colour display when I was doing my undergrad degrees in biochemistry and biotechnology. Those seriously heavyweight (not to mention expensive) textbooks are of no use whatsoever on a monochrome display, and they need lots of screen-space.

      However, despite the fact that I am a bit of a luddite and a late adopter, I have come to actually prefer the interface of my Sony reader to dead-tree copies of novels (where the restrictions mentioned earlier don't apply). The only exceptions to this preference are when the publisher takes the trouble to produce a high quality paper copy. This doesn't happen very often, and I have far too many novels from as recent a vintage as the '80s which are falling apart due to the acid content of the paper.

      Twenty years ago, I predicted that we would have a kind of "Dark Age" whereby many paper-bound texts would disappear as a result of their chemical properties, but that was before ePubs appeared on the scene. Now my hope is that the electronic form of these books may just rescue them from oblivion.

  10. Depends on platform by wjcofkc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I prefer ebooks to printed books, but only on my kindle paperwhite. Reading on a backlit display for more than a short amount of time causes me a headache and interferes with my sleep if I read before bed. I would go so far as to say that the act of reading on a paperwhite is a superior experience to reading on real paper (as far as my own two eyes go). As for the question of wether or not my ebook library will still be there in fifty years, we'll have to see, but I suspect we will be downloading books into our head by then anyway.

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  11. No surprise by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They really should have asked the population whether they actually own an e-book reader. Lots of people don't, and would never buy one because they prefer print books. The thing is, I was in that same category myself, before I bought a Nook. I bought it for other things, not to read books on, but after I had it, I did some reading on it, and I was soon hooked. I really do like reading books on the e-reader instead, it's just more convenient.

    Now, I'm a bibliophile and always will be. I won't give up my books, and I still buy paper books when I know it's something I want to keep, or I can get a good deal on the hard cover. What would be really nice if, when I plunk down $25 - $35 for a hardcover book, to have free access to the e-reader version, too. They do this now with music, why not books? Often I would rather read the book on my e-reader, but still have the hardcover for my library, but I don't want to pay an extra $10 for that privilege. I think they would sell a lot more books (and e-readers) if they did that.

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  12. Other Reasons by Bo'Bob'O · · Score: 2

    I think I would prefer real books (something that I can just toss into a bag without worry if it's charged or going to get stolen), but, I'm dyslexic. Being able to change the text size so that I'm reading in small chunks makes me able to read much faster. The other benefits (saves space, able to buy a new book where ever I am) is just a bonus.

  13. Re:Can't travel carrying 500+ dead-tree books by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And ironically these days losing a kindle would be less of a financial hardship than losing a couple of books. ( it wasn't that way not too long ago tho )

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  14. Reading is a journey by swm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For me, reading a book is a journey through its pages.
    Not in some metaphorical sense, but in a very literal, tactile, visual sense.
    I associate the words in a book with their position on the page,
    and the pages with their (approximate) position within the thickness of the book.
    It helps me keep track of what I've read, and place words and passages in context of the overall book.

    I never thought about any of this until I started reading eBooks and it wasn't there.
    An eBook is just one long (long, long, very long) stream of words.
    Some eBooks paginate the words for display, but that pagination is typically not stable:
    revisit those words another time and they will likely appear on the screen in a different place.
    And those pages--such as they are--have no apparent position within any larger structure.

    This is OK for a dictionary or a reference manual, where I just look things up.
    But for any serious work of non-fiction, it's horribly acontextual: the book just turns into word mush.

    I haven't tried reading any fiction eBooks, so I don't know if they would fare any better.

  15. In Roman Russia, joke make you by gman003 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, I think Moscow has a better claim to it.

    As we all know, the Roman empire was split circa 400AD (1100AUC). The Eastern portion became the Byzantine Empire, which lasted essentially until 1200AD. By that point the Byzantine Empire was heavily connected to Eastern Orthodoxy, and in that role, at least, the Empire was succeeded by the Russians (Mehmed II, the Ottoman conqueror of Byzantium/Constantinople, tried to claim the title as well, but that didn't last much beyond his lifetime). Tsarist Russia fell to the Bolsheviks, who formed the Russian SFSR, which joined the USSR. When that eventually collapsed, we ended up with the Russian Federation we have today.

    As for the Western half, that also ended up in Russia. The title laid dormant for a few centuries after the fall of Rome, until it was revived for Charlemagne and the Holy Roman Empire. That also eventually fell apart, until Otto the Great. While this territory never included Rome itself, it did include parts of Italy. In any case, the Empire was formally dissolved during the Napoleonic wars; however, both Austrians and Germans laid claim to being its successor state. In either case, those states ended up wrapped within Nazi Germany, which was conquered mostly by the Soviets in WW2.

    So yep. All hail Caesar Putin I, Emperor of the Roman Empire (I think we're up to the Fourth or maybe Fifth Roman Empire by now, but I'll let him decide what he wants to call it).

    1. Re:In Roman Russia, joke make you by iggymanz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But the Russian empire has fallen apart, the United States is the sole remaining superpower, itself derived from the British Empire. Thus the seat of power has moved to Washington D.C.

      Amazing the parallels to and influences of Rome we have. Our government structure & laws, our alphabet, our engineering and sciences, philosophies, our "bread and circuses" all have echoes of the Roman Empire in them.

  16. Looks correct. by mister2au · · Score: 2

    US books sales were running about 80% hardcopy / 20% electronic in 2012 vs 85% / 15% in 2011 ...

    Current numbers of up towards 25% e-book share seem completely reasonable

    However, the growth rates have plummeted and seems that e-books may top out at less than 30% market over the next few years

    The biggest surprise is that the "new-ness" of ebooks may be wearing off

  17. Re:Real books by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    ...which how many people have actually bought? The cheap paperbacks most people purchase won't lie flat and youu have to hunt for the right light. With an ereader, no problem.

  18. Re:You don't own DRM-ed stuff. by zugmeister · · Score: 2

    Sounds like you need to set up a workflow. Mine is to strip any DRM off a book and load it into Calibre. From there it gets its metadata edited / retrieved as needed and then it's sent to my Kindle via USB. The book is then saved to disk in both the original and .epub formats in a "stuff I've loaded on the Kindle" repository. Everything's local to my network, bog boring standard and trivially available for me to do whatever I want with it. From where I'm sitting, the technical limitations of ebooks are no greater than the problems we used to get from music files. Check out the news, we've got bigger fish to fry!