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X Chromosome May Leave a Mark On Male Fertility

sciencehabit writes "Behind every great man, the saying goes, there's a great woman. And behind every sperm, there may be an X chromosome gene. In humans, the Y chromosome makes men, men, or so researchers have thought: It contains genes that are responsible for sex determination, male development, and male fertility. But now a team has discovered that X—'the female chromosome'—could also play a significant role in maleness. It contains scores of genes that are active only in tissue destined to become sperm. The finding shakes up our ideas about how sex chromosomes influence gender and also suggests that at least some parts of the X chromosome are playing an unexpectedly dynamic role in evolution."

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  1. 3.5 Billion years of hacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is what happens when you have 3.5 Billion years of hacks. Legacy code, no overall architecture and absolute chaos.

    Let's start over and redesign humans from the ground up.

    1. Re:3.5 Billion years of hacks by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Y chromosome used to just be a variant of the X chromosome, with only a few genes different; they were the same size. Over time, careless maintenance staff decided the backups were redundant and stopped keeping them. Thus something like 5% of men have one or more factory defects—most commonly colour-deficient vision, which some backward engineer decided was a feature , not a bug, and went to great lengths to distribute bad copies to other users.

      On the plus side, we recently found out that the genome actually does have some documentation—well, more like debugger symbols—so it's getting easier to figure out where the important binaries are located. Unfortunately in the process we also discovered that what appeared to be severe filesystem fragmentation is actually rotational performance optimization, and most of the rest of the disk is actually a messy broth of shell scripts, not merely unallocated space as we assumed.

      The sad thing is that even if we did redesign everything, it would probably be way worse than the existing codebase, particularly since we only have a tiny portion of the actual spec, which you can imagine was never exactly written down.

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    2. Re:3.5 Billion years of hacks by kaliann · · Score: 2

      The appendix may not be as useless as we once thought.
      Recent investigations have suggested that the appendix acts as a kind of "wildlife preserve" for our gut microbes. Throughout much of our evolutionary history (and much of the modern world) massive diarrhea has been a disease with two distinct issues: the likelihood of death from dehydration, and the disruption of intestinal flora in the survivors. A rapid recolonization with "good bugs" would have helped keep survivors from the kinds of recurring and chronic conditions that can result from microbial imbalance.

      Testing of this hypothesis has shown that individuals with an appendix are four times less likely to have recurrences of C. diff infections compared to those without: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21699818

      However, the way the recurrent laryngeal nerve runs around major thoracic vessels before ending up in the larynx is preposterous. That totally needs a redesign. Also, can I request a functional nictitating membrane? Those things are sweet!

    3. Re:3.5 Billion years of hacks by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2

      Not a chance. The computing mapping is almost 1:1, and I simply don't know enough about cars to come up with a plausible explanation for the second half. Not everything in biology can be fit into a car analogy. Computers are somewhat easier.

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  2. Who wrote this mess? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And where's the documentation?

    1. Re:Who wrote this mess? by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Insightful

      An infinite number of monkeys and a ruthless unit testing process. As for documentation, there's lots of people working on it, but some of them think they should be able to hold exclusive rights to their documentation.

  3. Moronic writer. Old news with new data. by i+kan+reed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The y chromosome doesn't code many genes at all, and this has been known for a long time. It's main function is turning specific genes off. Anatomy of all sorts, including gender characteristics is coded across all 24 chromosomes. The y just suppresses the female parts.

    If I learn something over a decade ago in a high school class, it shouldn't be "science news."

  4. Re:So we are part... by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No, it's just bad science journalism. The X chromosome is, for the most part, just another part of the genome; it contains all sorts of random junk, like blood clotting factors and parts of the receptors in our eyes that let us see colour. Any disease you've ever heard of that's "X-linked" or more common in men than women is either affected or effected, directly or indirectly, by the X chromosome. It is of no significance or note whatsoever that it contains stuff that's only activated in the male body.

    If you want something weird and sex-linked to rant insanely about, however, there's always the mystery of digit ratio.

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  5. well, uh, not surprising by goffster · · Score: 2

    Otherwise there would be very little genetic diversity between father and
    son regarding fertility, and we know that to be false.

  6. Re:Behind every great man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Behind every running man, there is a woman with an axe.

  7. Re:Moronic writer. Old news with new data. by Bengie · · Score: 2

    It just means men are females that have been suppressed. We're the victims here!

  8. Y chromosome is likely to stick around. by Valdrax · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Y chromosome is a li'l runt and they think it won't even be there anymore in a hunnert thousand years or so.

    I don't think there's anyone who takes this seriously any more. There were some people suggesting that if genes are lost at a linear rate off the Y chromosome, it should disappear in another 10 million years. However, chimpanzees and humans show no difference in the number of genes on the Y chromosome since we diverged 6-7 million years ago, and we've both only lost one gene since we diverged from the rhesus macaque 25 mya. Given that sequencing of the platypus genome puts the common mammalian Y chromosome at a max of age of 166 mya, this suggests the linear model is just wrong.

    The Wikipedia has good article on this from which I drew my numbers, if you're interested in more.

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    1. Re:Y chromosome is likely to stick around. by Valdrax · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah... I heard this a few decades ago in grade school and I thought "WTF? Just about every organism on earth has two genders including things like plants. How can they say that the Y chromosome is going away?"

      To be fair, the Y-chromosome isn't the only way of determining gender, and the Y-chromosome of non-mammalian species has no common ancestor to those of mammals (they all degenerated long after splitting off).

      Some species use the number of X chromosomes. Reptiles and avians use ZW chromosomes, where the "female chromosome" is the shorter, degenerate one. Ants and bees are just kind of weird. The platypus has something like 10 sex chromosomes and lacks the SRY gene, so we have no idea how it really works AFAIK, and platyfish (unrelated) have some sort of weird W/X/Y system.

      Single gender in plants is relatively rare, and I have no idea how it works.

      Unfortunately, my WTF moments concerning these "scientific conclusions" haven't stopped. It's only gotten more frequent as I've matured.

      I think that's more of a problem with bad science journalism than bad science, though.

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  9. Re:There is _female_ in male? Sacrilege! by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Some of those feminists make even stupider arguments. It's perfectly alright for women to cooperatively solve problems together, but add a man to the equation, and the solution becomes "sexist".

    If a gang of women need to pass through a door that is difficult to open, the strongest woman present will probably pull the door open, and the least strong women in the gang will duck through as quickly as possible. If a man and a feminist need to pass through that door, if the man opens and holds the door for the feminist, he is sexist. We have basically the same solution to the same problem, but the sexist feminist refuses to acknowledge that the solution is the CORRECT solution.

    MOST WOMEN will just accept this trivial act of consideration with a nod of gratitude, or a word of thanks, and go on about their business. SOME FEMINISTS will want to kick the man in the balls for being sexist.

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  10. Consider for a moment by kilodelta · · Score: 2

    That the basic body plan is female to start with. I mean why else would men have nipples too?

    And look at differences in the reproductive organs of men and women. Testes and Ovaries - just small deviations create each, and of course location.

  11. Re:So we are part... by linnsey · · Score: 2

    It's significant from a health and evolutionary perspective. X inactivation in women makes expression of these genes mosaic which can prevent disease as well as cause some interesting immune responses. A gene can be beneficial in a pair but fatal solo which creates an interesting evolutionary tradeoff. If a woman can't have sons, is that a significant evolutionary disadvantage?

  12. You didn't finish it... by Rob_Bryerton · · Score: 4, Funny
    You didn't finish that saying. Time to burn some karma.

    "Behind every great man, the saying goes, there's a great woman.

    And behind every great woman, there's a man. Staring at her ass.

  13. Re:There is _female_ in male? Sacrilege! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >> domestic violence
    SIGNIFICANTLY more males than females are assaulted and killed in society every day.
    Perhaps not by their partner, but overall in society.

    >> education access
    Girls have been outperforming boys in school for many years now.
    Also for many years, many more girls have been going into higher education than boys.

    >> maternal mortality
    Don't even get me started on government health spending.
    Women live longer than men, but significantly more is spent on female-specific health issues.

    No, what most (not all, but most) feminists do is perpetuate the notion of victimhood amongst females, and most women swallow this hook, line and sinker.
    But if you do the research -- I mean actually look at the numbers -- you'll see that males cop it far worse than females.

  14. Re:So we are part... by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2

    It's not a trait that lasts very long; every successive daughter has a 50% chance of passing it on afterwards, after all, so at most you'd expect such a mutation to only be around for three or four generations.

    However, such diseases are probably the reason why women make up 51% of the population. In the stereotypical portrayal of hunter-gather societies, certainly it is desirable to have slightly more women than men; the traditional division of responsibilities leaves the women with more consistent work. Contrariwise it would seem that an agrarian society would benefit more from a surplus of men to work fields, but there are relatively few adaptations in our genomes that are agriculture-oriented. (Cavities, for example, are a symptom of eating grains.)

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  15. Re:So we are part... by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's nothing wrong here; it's just a simple misunderstanding by the journalist. We've known about X-linked for as long we've known about sex chromosomes, which inherently implies that the X chromosome has responsibilities beyond determining sex.

    Believe it or not, however, there are actually advantages to the Y chromosome being so minimal. Men are nature's beta testers: sometimes mutations in the X chromosome have significant benefits, and as these traits aren't balanced out by a second allele, they become more pronounced and hence are easier to detect during sexual and natural selection. This is (probably) why men display a greater variance in height, strength, and analytical skill. Similarly, by always suffering from a disease, and hence by not getting laid, men protect the rest of the tribe from the disorders they end up with. (Admittedly not great when you're actually in the middle of things, but sexual dimorphism and reproduction are both full of cruelties.)

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