Slashdot Mirror


Software Development Employment Rises 45% In 10 Years

dcblogs writes "Software employment is rising at 4 to 5% a year, and may be the only tech occupation to have recovered to full employment since the recession. Other tech occupations aren't doing as well. In 2001, there were more than 200,000 people working in the semi-conductor industry. That number was less than 100,000 by 2010, according to a recent study by the Economic Policy Institute. Darin Wedel, who was laid off from Texas Instruments, and gained national attention when his wife, Jennifer, challenged President Obama on H-1B use, said that for electrical engineers, 'unless you are in the actual design of circuits, then you're not in demand.' He said that much of the job loss in the field is due to the closing of fabrication facilities. Wedel has since found new work as a quality engineer."

17 of 118 comments (clear)

  1. 45% in 10 years != 4-5% per year... by Racemaniac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    seriously, this is slashdot -_-
    if you take a growth of 4% per year, that already reaches over 48% over 10 years (you know, it's accumulative, this nice little exponential growth) -_-

    1. Re:45% in 10 years != 4-5% per year... by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 2

      More precisely, ~3.785% annual growth would compound to 45% over ten years.

      It's nice to know I managed to remember my logarithms.

  2. Wages? by danbuter · · Score: 2

    I'm betting average wages haven't risen that fast, especially over the last four years.

  3. Lots of fabs have closed by cold+fjord · · Score: 4, Informative

    A lot of companies that used to maintain their own fabs have closed them over the years. Trying to keep up with the leaders in process technology is very expensive. It has been a long time since it was even as cheap as $1,000,000,000. Not many companies can afford to build one.

    Semi industry fab costs limit industry growth

    By 2020, current cost trends will lead to an average cost of between $15 billion and $20 billion for a leading-edge fab, according to the report. By 2016, the minimum capital expenditure budget needed to justify the building of a new fab will range from $8 billion to $10 billion for logic, $3.5 billion to $4.5 billion for DRAM and $6 billion to $7 billion for NAND flash, according to the report.

    It used to be that companies could leverage their own fabs for competitive advantage in process or design technology, or simple scheduling. Not any more. Now you outsource the fab to one of the big providers and get in line. More and more of the fabs are outside the US.

    Some of the smaller old fabs get retargeted to specialty products, but even that tends to die eventually.

    --
    much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
  4. Handhelds by Oysterville · · Score: 2

    I would venture to guess that without the smart phone market taking off the way it has, that we wouldn't see as good of recovery in the software development sector. Thank goodness something came along. Oh, and here's the full article on one page.

    1. Re:Handhelds by Xest · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's not just that, as companies have been cutting staff they've also been looking for ways to do more with less staff and turns out that that's where computer automation comes in. The reality is there are some jobs out there whereby you can hire one developer and have him/her write software that will automate the job of 10 people or whatever. It's cheaper to hire a developer and automate, than to keep paying people to do an easily automated job.

      That's why software has been fairly recession proof. There have been redundancies of course, but for each redundancy there's been plenty of other companies looking to hire to automate.

      The mobile boom has helped as well of course as you say.

  5. Tech bubble by internerdj · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm curious, what does the data look like for 12 or 15 or 20 years?

    1. Re:Tech bubble by hyperquantization · · Score: 2

      I'd like to see that data, too. People forget how young Software Engineering is compared to more established fields like, say, Chemistry.

  6. Re:"recovered to full employment" by Xest · · Score: 5, Informative

    An industry average of unemployed people as would be expected pre-recession.

    i.e. if under normal economic conditions the unemployment rate is 3%, then software development is at that level.

    If you're expecting it to mean 100% employment for all software developers then no that's not the case, because in every industry there'll be a few percent of incompetents who are just always unemployable no matter how desperate that industry gets.

  7. Re:Yeah it sucks to be in EE by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I always thought it was about EE requiring a *different* mindset rather than "more talent". There are lots of "run of the mill" EE jobs too, which don't require the full gamut of skills learnt e.g. during your degree programme - just as most software jobs won't require most of what you learnt at school.

    My academic background is in mathematics. I found anything from the purest mathematics to the underlying physics relevant to EEs a lot easier that did the EEs I bumped into, yet I find circuit study entirely unintuitive. I keep thinking that I'm missing something when trying to design/troubleshoot some electronics (always merely for fun). Even something as simple as the various designs for an oscillator, I think, "OK, how come you immediately know it does this [assuming you don't just recognise the circuit from a textbook]? What prompted the original designer to try this particular circuit?" EEs I've met - unlike a lot of mathematicians, I think? - don't seem so keen on explaining their thought processes. This may sound weird, but I'd love to have one as a social friend, who would just lead me through building shit for fun.

  8. quality engineer by JavaLord · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wedel has since found new work as a quality engineer

    He's checking the accuracy of the drive thru orders at McDonald's.

    1. Re:quality engineer by LordNimon · · Score: 2

      The #1 reason why Wedel was unable to find a job was because he was unwilling to relocate (something about a child custody agreement). I'm sorry, but I don't really have sympathy for him. The tech industry collapsed in North Texas, and he should have moved. Apparently after his wife complained to Obama, he got lots of calls from companies around the country, but he turned them all down. I'm pretty sure he could have gotten full relocation benefits, as well.

      He probably could have moved to Austin, which is only three hours away, and gotten a job. Heck, my company hires EEs like him.

      My father-in-law had to travel the world to keep employed as an engineer. I chose to live in Austin because it is a good place for engineers like me to stay employed. If you want to work as an engineer in this country, you have to be prepared to move to where the jobs are. North Texas is not one of those places.

      --
      And the men who hold high places must be the ones who start
      To mold a new reality... closer to the heart
  9. Re:Yeah it sucks to be in EE by inasity_rules · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To understand circuits "intuitively", you need to train yourself to visualize both the voltage, currents and frequencies at any point in the circuit simultaneously. When you can look at a diagram of a filter and "see" the waveform or frequency comming out, then it is intuitive. It sort of comes with experience. And you start to recognise patterns which simplifies things. It is a lot like learning to read, or program a computer, just more complex in that something further "down" the circuit can have an effect on something further "up".

    The trick with most oscilators is to realise that noise starts them. In a perfect world, they'd need a kick to get going. Most things are tried because, like with any engineering, when all the components are understood, all it takes is a bit of intelligence to combine them into useful modules.

    --
    I have determined that my sig is indeterminate.
  10. Chemistry, the New Art History by methano · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have a PhD in organic chemistry from a pretty good school and used to have a pretty good career. Most of the people like me, over 50, are out of work or grossly underemployed. And it's very bad for new grads, too. And not great for the rest. We're not so happy about that H-1B and STEM talk coming from everywhere either.

  11. Re:Yeah it sucks to be in EE by TWiTfan · · Score: 2

    It's been an important part since the beginning of EE. It's just that no one realized it until 1947.

    --
    The cow says "Moo." The dog says "Woof." The Timothy says "Thanks, valued customer. We appreciate your input."
  12. Re:"recovered to full employment" by pwizard2 · · Score: 2

    How does somebody get over the arbitrary "5-7 years work experience" hurdle if they are trying to get their first development gig? We all know it's boilerplate horseshit. To the HR zombies, it doesn't matter if you have a stunning portfolio and cut your teeth on open source projects over the years; you aren't getting an interview unless your resume matches all the keywords on their grep list because they have no idea how to qualify what they're looking for.

    --
    "It is a denial of justice not to stretch out a helping hand to the fallen; that is the common right of humanity."
  13. Re:not quite mcdonalds... Re:quality engineer by T.E.D. · · Score: 2

    A triffling difference. Its still part of the health-care-industrial complex. Its just that McDonalds is at the front end (making you sick), while pharma is at the back end (treating the symptoms so you can still go eat McDondalds).