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NSA Can't Search Its Own Email

cycoj writes "The NSA says that there is no central method to search its own email. When asked in a Freedom of Information Act request for emails with the National Geographic Channel over a specific time period, the agency, which has been collecting and analyzing the data of hundreds of millions of Internet users, says it can only perform person-per-person searches on its own email."

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  1. big surprise by Sparticus789 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perfect example of "do as I say, not as I do". But this isn't just a NSA problem, it is a government problem.

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    1. Re:big surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      More likely a case of somebody lying to get around a FOIA request, for which there will be consequences. All government agencies have very strict regulations concerning record keeping and FOIA, with jail time possible for anyone who fails to abide by those regulations.

    2. Re:big surprise by rickb928 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Consequences. They're cute when they say that.

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    3. Re:big surprise by Sancho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      FOIA does not require that you make it easy to comply with FOIA requests. Nothing in there says you have to have globally searchable e-mail or document storage, in fact. And the costs to fulfill the request are paid by the requestor, not the agency. By using an archaic, difficult to use system, they can legitimately make the costs of fulfilling FOIA requests prohibitively high. Thus they follow the letter of the law, though not the spirit.

  2. NSA *Won't* Search Its Own Email by TWiTfan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    FTFY

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    1. Re:NSA *Won't* Search Its Own Email by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's pretty shocking that after having been caught lying to congress about the program, they're STILL LYING ABOUT IT. They must not think much of us. I guess they've been reading all our e-mails, they probably know us pretty well and are right to think that we'll let it slide.

    2. Re:NSA *Won't* Search Its Own Email by TWiTfan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why wouldn't they continue to lie? Congress, the President, and the American public have made it abundantly clear that there will be no consequences for lying. So, why not?

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  3. umm by easyTree · · Score: 4, Funny

    var irony = UInt64.MaxInt;

  4. Right... by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The NSA says that there is no central method to search its own email.

    [cough] Bullshit [/cough]

    1. Re:Right... by runeghost · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Director of the NSA has openly admitted he lied to Congress, and his punishment is... nothing. Not even harsh language, much less prosecution or losing his job.

  5. Don't worry. by auric_dude · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm sure GCHQ https://www.gchq.gov.uk/Pages/homepage.aspx will search your mail and that CESG https://www.gchq.gov.uk/AboutUs/Pages/CESG.aspx will advise you on how to fix your problem.

  6. what is good for the goose is good for the gander by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe they should run all their internal email through their PRISM system, that way it can be searched for keywords and META data much easier. Problem solved.

  7. Suuuuure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's such a line of shit.

    It's not that they cannot search their emails. It's that they have chosen to not create a search mechanism, because they have found this excuse is accepted by the courts to deny information requests. They will use every trick available to them to avoid adhering to laws they don't like.

    Do you really believe anything they say?

  8. Re:sounds like they're running exchange by jongalbreath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As an Exchange administrator, I can say that searching across an entire mail database is absolutely possible, and also very simple to do from the Management Shell. They're either lying, or just don't want to do it.

  9. And we accept this excuse? by gman003 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I were in charge, and the agency responsible for technological espionage and information security told me they couldn't search through their own emails, I would fire them. Every single one of them. Bam. Agency dissolved, someone go think of a new TLA for the new agency. This is like a Navy that can't figure out how to dock a battleship, or a tax agency that doesn't know what all the valid exemptions are. Complete and utter incompetence.

    What's saddest is that this almost certainly isn't true. They've got these capabilities. They're just trying to hide something ("everything" qualifies as something, for their purposes). *Maybe* they're telling the truth, if they've got some custom, highly-encrypted system where emails can only be decrypted by the users. But that doesn't seem like the phrasing used here.

    What's saddest is that "we're completely fucking incompetent" is not just the excuse they went with, but that it actually works.

    1. Re:And we accept this excuse? by 1s44c · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I were in charge, and the agency responsible for technological espionage and information security told me they couldn't search through their own emails, I would fire them. Every single one of them. Bam. Agency dissolved, someone go think of a new TLA for the new agency.

      Not an option. The NSA has a portfolio of affairs, abuses of power, criminal behavior, tax fraud, drug abuse, etc. on every member of the government. Nobody will oppose those who could end their career in a few keystrokes. ...Or maybe I'm just paranoid.

  10. Epic Fail by jebus187 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What a bunch of lying douches.

  11. NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    NSA doesn't fund their operations primarily with drug running anymore. Insider trading is the best source of funding. And they have all the information they need to do this.

  12. Re:Exchange by datavirtue · · Score: 5, Informative

    Avoided the feature because of FOIA requests. There are a lot of loopholes for gov organizations to avoid sunshine requests if they really want to--part of it is making the information difficult to reach (can't get the info==do not have to comply). Also, FOIA compliance hinges on each institution's policy in regard to the information. They can set a two day retention policy so that if you request it four days from now they will delete it and reply that the information is not available. Government institutions are hostile to information requests--believe it or not. Power and control is paramount in these environments and arbitrary information requests from outsiders flies in the face of this disposition. [first-hand knowledge]

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