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Obama Praises Amazon At One of Its Controversial Warehouses

theodp writes "In his first term, President Obama was a big booster of indie bookstores. But on Tuesday, the President chose to deliver his speech on Jobs for the Middle Class at one of Amazon's controversial fulfillment centers in Chattanooga, TN. 'Amazon is a great example of what's possible,' said Obama, who also toured the 'amazing facility' where workers can make $10.50-$11.50 an hour as an employee of Integrity Staffing Group, 'may also be eligible for medical and dental benefits', and 'must be able to stand/walk for up to 10-12 hours' in temperatures that 'will occasionally exceed 90 degrees.' So, are '21st century migrant workers' the new middle class?"

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  1. Re:Misleading summary by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The thing about indie bookstores is largely irrelevant. Choosing to give a speech about 'good jobs that pay good wages in durable industries' in a fulfillment sweatshop that will continue to use expendable temps only so long as robots can't economically handle irregularly shaped packages is... perhaps a bad sign...

  2. Re:"Controversial?" by Pino+Grigio · · Score: 5, Informative

    They're not middle class though, are they? I think that's the point.

  3. Re:America the beautiful by ElementOfDestruction · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thank God for that. Imagine having a society have to pay for one of these disposable workers to recover from a sick day!

  4. Temperatures that 'will occasionally exceed 90 deg by korbulon · · Score: 5, Funny

    well it is the Amazon duh

  5. Middle Class by tdp252 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Middle-Class is being redefined as people who can afford basic necessities like food, shelter, clothing and medicine. Want money to enjoy life beyond that? Tough luck!

    1. Re:Middle Class by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not so much a re-definition of "middle class", it's more a perpetuation of the very pervasive myth that most Americans are middle class, when in fact most are really working class.

      First, an accurate definition of "middle class": At a minimum, middle class family is one that can accumulate wealth if they manage their finances reasonably well. That wealth may be in the form of pensions, retirement accounts, investments, home equity, vehicles owned free and clear, bank accounts, or just about anything else, but there has to be a clear upwards trajectory. For example, a middle class family is in a position to save a significant pile of cash that will allow them to send their child to college without their child taking out large loans. By contrast, a working class family is at best capable of paying their bills on time and putting food on the table.

      The key facts are:
      (1) The average American family has negative net worth, which means not only are they not accumulating wealth, they're losing wealth.
      (2) The average American family has, over the last 15 years, cut spending dramatically on entertainment, travel, food, clothing, and almost all other discretionary categories. That means the "out-of-control spending" hypothesis is incorrect.
      (3) Personal bankruptcies have been increasing steadily since 1995, and then skyrocketed since 2008. Most involved: extended unemployment, medical bills (even for insured patients), and adjustable rate mortgages bumping upwards.
      (4) The average American family does not have the ability to pay their bills if they miss a single paycheck.

      Also worth mentioning: If you're a typical /.er with a job in the IT sector, you very likely pull in about 3-5 times what the average American worker makes.

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  6. Woah, wait a minute... by Svenia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When did ~$24k gross a year become middle class? Did I miss a memo or have I been living in fantasy land? (11.50 per hour * 40 hours per week * 52 weeks)

  7. Wow - how did this one get approved at /. ??? by mosel-saar-ruwer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It must be a cold day in Hades.

    Relentless war which the globalist elites are waging against any possible middle class opposition - CHECK.

    Utter hypocrisy of moving employees off-book, into sub-contractor scams, where hours are guaranteed to be less than 30-per-week so as not to qualify for Obamacare - CHECK.

    Big-$$$ campaign contributions and other goodies being laundered from Bezos through Gorelick and into the Chicago Machine - CHECK.

    Hypocrisy of Martha's Vineyard vacationing politician, who otherwise would love him some indie bookstores, heading to the mother of all vertical bidnesses for a little facetime on the evening newz - CHECK.

    What's next, an honest discussion of why Fuckerberg and Ballzmer and L-Word-ison really want all those H1B aliens?

    Might be a good day to go long on some snowball contracts in Hell.

  8. Re:What's your boggle, citizen? by ATMAvatar · · Score: 5, Informative

    $10.50-$11.50 per hour works out to be around $21k-$24k a year on average, given a full 40-hour work-week. That's hardly middle class. It's actually much closer to the Census Bureau's defined poverty threshold. If the worker is the head of a traditional 4-person family, it actually puts him/her at or below the poverty line.

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  9. Re:Temperatures that 'will occasionally exceed 90 by telchine · · Score: 5, Funny

    As long as temperatures don't exceed 451 degrees, they should be fine

  10. Re:America the beautiful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Too bad they're not Amazon warehouse jobs, they're Integrity Staffing jobs.

  11. Do you know what a middle class job is? by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What are you talking about?

    They're decent, honest jobs that pay a fair wage.

    That's about as middle class as it gets.

    Ummm, no. Physical working conditions are certainly great, but Amazon fulfillment warehouses are notoriously known for driving workers into a state of constant terror due to managerial abuse. A middle class job used to imply a sort of shielding from such things (not totally but certainly more than what you would see and still see at a minimum wage fast food joint.)

    Middle class doesn't imply that anymore. And $10-$12 an hour is $24K. That is not below what is typically considered a low-end middle class salary. $24K was middle class twenty years ago. Not anymore. They are just above the limit that forces people to use social services.

    I'm not saying these jobs are decent or honest (and thank God they are not Walmart salaries.) Any job with salaries above the poverty line is better than no job or poverty-line job, anytime, any day. And I'm not saying that for the type of job being performed, these are not fair wages. They are.

    But let us not call them middle class wages. They are not. The rising cost of living, education and health care, and the continuous shift towards replacing full-time workers with part-time workers (or contractors) have pretty much made sure a $12/h job is not a middle class job anymore.

  12. No, it's not, and it's a shame. by sirwired · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are correct; $11.50 an hour is not middle-class. However, that no-benefit salary is usually enough to make you ineligible for things like Medicaid (even though you aren't buying jack-$hit in medical care on that paycheck) or a Public Defender if you are accused of a crime.

    It's a tragedy that a productive member of society that is fulfilling his/her end of the "social contract" still cannot obtain the things we would expect every civilized nation to make sure it's citizens have access to.

  13. Re:"Be content to be slaves" by JackieBrown · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think it is simpler than that. He knows that Amazon is popular. He also knows most of the people that support him will not research anything he says and just take what he says at face value.

    It's like the Travon thing. He mentions that Travon could have been him when he was younger. He makes these types of racial comments often. Most of the people that I know that support him honestly assume that he struggled and grew up in the deep south (instead of Hawaii) like them.

    This appearance makes him look like he is pro-corporate and pro-middle class without actually doing anything but make a speech. And, judging by your post and people I know, he will fool most people.

  14. Re:"Be content to be slaves" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The claims of socialist look dumber by the day.

    Obama is just more pro-corporate than Bush, Sr... just a tad less than Bush, Jr.

    That's what the Democratic Party has become, "not quite as bad as the Republicans." The difference between the two is that when a Republican gives government money to a business it's to encourage growth; when a Democrat does it, it's for jobs. Neither end up happening.

    There isn't a party out there that represents the working class.

  15. Re:doctors & lawyers, you're next... by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's a useful baseline as the term middle class has been distorted to the point where it has no meaning whatsoever anymore.

    If you are working for all of your money, you simply aren't middle class and weren't ever really. That's just a lie that people in power like to tell to keep the huddling masses from getting discontent.

    If people realized they were really part of the underclass they might be more inclined to act out or just differently.

    A lot of higher paid wage slaves have themselves convinced that they are something different than people that fill Amazon orders and that's not really the case.

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    A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.