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Wii Outselling Wii U, Only 160,000 Units Shipped Last Quarter

rescendent writes with news that the Wii U still isn't selling very well. From the article: "Nintendo's Wii U console sold only 160,000 units worldwide during the past three months, with the company blaming a lack of first-party releases for the poor performance. Software sales for the system were just 1.3 million units. During the period Nintendo sold 90,000 Wii U consoles in Japan, 60,000 in the US and only 10,000 in Europe and Australia." El Reg reports that the Wii sold 210,000 units in the same quarter. On the bright side, Nintendo is once again profitable.

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  1. The move to HD hurt them by bonch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nintendo dragged its feet in the move to HD and is paying the price. They underestimated the time and money expense, and now their first-party releases are behind. On top of that, there's barely been any marketing for the Wii U, which has a name that implies it's an accessory for the Wii rather than a new console. The console's tablet controller doesn't offer anything that people's existing smartphones and iPads can't do better. It was likely released in reaction to the iPad (Nintendo stated in 2010 that Apple is their biggest threat). With the lack of hardware power and user base, there's nothing with which to court third-party developers, who are focused instead on the more powerful consoles coming out later this year.

    Nintendo's stronghold remains handheld gaming. However, even that is under threat from smartphones. On top of what Android already supports, iOS 7 will ship with native physical controller APIs, and Apple is working with hardware manufacturers to release official attachments and wireless controllers. While the 3DS certainly won't disappear, it will be interesting to watch how well it fares among adult gamers when physical controllers become commonplace in the iPhone accessory aisle.

    1. Re:The move to HD hurt them by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think, if anything, the fact their HD Wii isn't selling as well as their regular Wii shows that Nintendo's original disinterest in HD never hurt them.

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    2. Re:The move to HD hurt them by jxander · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You are correct about most things, but will disagree on your assessment of the Wii U tablet. If used properly, it could offer some very unique game play.

      They've started to scratch the surface of that potential in a few "Nintendoland" minigames; the Luigi Ghost game and Metroid most notably. Being able to host competitive multiplayer on actual separate screens is a new development in console gaming.

      Of course, these two little games aren't nearly enough to sell a system, or completely validate the concept... but it's a start. We need developers to actually utilize this technology to make new, interesting games. Imagine a dungeon crawler game, one person with the Tablet is the Dungeon Master, controlling hordes of orcs/zombies/etc like an RTS while up to 4 players on normal controllers try and make it through the dungeon, or save the princess, or whatever. The concept works for any cooperative multiplayer game... just let one person act as the opponent in place of the computer. Left 4 Dead does a similar thing, but it requires every player to have their own copy of the game, and be sitting on their own TV, with their own console/computer, etc. Wii U could bring that concept to a single living room couch.

      Another big step will be the possibility of hosting multiple tablets on a single system. Especially for sports games, where your tablet can serve as your playbook. No more picking plays onscreen where the other player can clearly see what you're running. The TV can be dedicated to the actual on-field situation, with substitutions, sneak plays, formations, etc handled on the tablet. Hell, this could make for actual compelling "Video Games as a spectator sport." Two players have their tablets, control the plays, etc while a crowd watches a TV. To them, it looks like a regular game, with slightly awkward running motions at times.

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    3. Re:The move to HD hurt them by BenoitRen · · Score: 2

      Nintendo dragged its feet in the move to HD and is paying the price.

      You're not wrong, but on the other hand not moving to HD made them a fortune in the previous generation.

      While the 3DS certainly won't disappear, it will be interesting to watch how well it fares among adult gamers when physical controllers become commonplace in the iPhone accessory aisle.

      You're comparing different markets. Smartphones have tons of games that require no investment that can be played for a couple minutes. Portable consoles offer more elaborate games that are played during a commute, in the car, on vacation, etc. Also nice while over at family while the grown-ups are talking.

    4. Re:The move to HD hurt them by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Smartphones are getting more and more of those too.
      The Ravensword series is a good example. As time goes by more and more long form games will come out on smartphones.

    5. Re:The move to HD hurt them by gameboyhippo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nintendo: Doomed since 1991.

      Personally, I'm grateful Nintendo is a games first type company. How often do we complain about any industry bending to the shareholders desires for short term profits? Yet you complain about Nintendo not cheapening their IP in order to make tons of money. Nintendo's doing the right thing. It will work for them. If you'll excuse me I've got some Pikmin 3 to anticipate playing this weekend.

    6. Re:The move to HD hurt them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm only a data point, but my friends parallel my issues. We used to ALL be Nintendo zealots. We loved our Nintendo, SNES, N64, and Gamecubes. So clearly, when the chance to stand inline to midnight for the next great gaming machine with motion controllers came out, we volunteered happily! We bought a Nintendo Wii. ... and then we plugged a game in. $60 game after $60 game, felt like pathetic toy. A tech demo at best, and pandering to an entirely different userbase at worst. They went from serving hardcore gamers, and slapped us in the face with countless games that felt like gimmicks to serve people who don't play games. We poured thousands of dollars into a company, only to have them turn away.

      So after countless crap games that are either gimmicks or rehashed versions of better games, we're sick of paying money to a company that doesn't understand what we want.

      Now, we're faced with the Wii U which will cost us hundreds more for ANOTHER system still looks behind the times? With another chance for games that are gimmicky? I don't have $350+games/accessories to blow on a subpar console, and not just subpar to other current gen, but to previous generations. I can't risk it.

      I've kept my Nintendo NES, my SNES, n64, and Gamecube. But I sold my Wii, I haven't looked back, and I don't feel like I've lost anything significant for it.

    7. Re:The move to HD hurt them by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      You shouldn't have sold your Wii. It makes a fantastic low-cost, low-power system to emulate older systems including a few arcade games.

      I just wish there was more arcade/Neo-Geo titles in their library.

    8. Re:The move to HD hurt them by Jaysyn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The only thing special about the Wii U is the controller has a screen.

      Actually, the 5 player same-console multiplayer is pretty nice too when you have a lot of kids (or kid's friends).

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    9. Re:The move to HD hurt them by Applekid · · Score: 2

      The only thing special about the Wii U is the controller has a screen.

      Actually, the 5 player same-console multiplayer is pretty nice too when you have a lot of kids (or kid's friends).

      That didn't save the Turbo Grafx.

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    10. Re:The move to HD hurt them by CronoCloud · · Score: 2

      Just like there are none on the PS3 at 7. Unless you care to give an example?

      Most sports games support 7 players.

      Here's an incomplete list:

      http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/furtivespy/lists/7-player-offline-games/82340

      And if you don't have enough Sixaxis/DS3's you can use USB controllers to supplement them. Heck plugin in DS2's into USB dongles meant to use them on PC's and plug them into the PS3, they work.

      That said, I prefer online multiplayer.

      I don't play my Wii/360/ps2 (never went for the PS3 DRM, won't likely go for the XBO or PS4 either).

      What PS3 game DRM are you referring to. PS3 games are actually less restricted than PS2 games, they have no region locks for example.

  2. Mario Kart Wii 2 by ScottCooperDotNet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All I wanted was more Mario Kart Wii, not a giant controller with a screen on it.

    1. Re:Mario Kart Wii 2 by greghodg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agreed. And they should have made the Wii U capable of rendering existing games in HD resolutions, then the lack of new HD content wouldn't matter as much. The dolphin emulator can do it, Nintendo could have done it too.

  3. Just like the PS3 by HappyHead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For the first few years, Sony's PS2 also out-sold the PS3, didn't it?

  4. Re: Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But it's honest, which is more than you'd get elsewhere.

  5. Re:Ironic by medv4380 · · Score: 2

    Only having 4 new game releases in Japan and 7 for NA last quarter was going to hurt.

  6. Virtual Console by Guppy06 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I bought a Wii and a 3DS practically on the potential of their respective Virtual Consoles alone.

    I've learned my lesson.

    1. Re:Virtual Console by Guppy06 · · Score: 2

      I didn't mind paying $5 to download Super Mario Bros to my Wii. I do mind having to pay again to download it on the 3DS, and yet again to download it to a Wii U.

      And that's not my only complaint about how their Virtual Consoles have been handled.

    2. Re:Virtual Console by CronoCloud · · Score: 2

      That's one of the nice things about PSN, buy a PSone classic once, play it on your PS3 AND PSP or Vita. Used to be up to 5 authorized devices...I think it's 3 now because of people abusing the system by sharing PSN account info.

  7. Re:As compared to the XKeystroke article, below by Millennium · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Slashdot only updated when there was a story more important than the previous one, it wouldn't update very often.

  8. Bad Price Point by avandesande · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nintendo has always had a cost niche that set them apart from xbox and ps3. Why would they want to go head to head? My kids are older now and I am not going to shell out that much money because they want to play a few titles that they liked when they were younger.

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  9. Re:Ironic by JWW · · Score: 5, Informative

    It is ironic, but its also a correct analysis.

    As a Wii U owner games I would like to see on the Wii U are:

    New Mario Kart
    New Mario Galaxy
    New/Relaunched Metroid
    New Paper Mario game
    New Mario Party game
    New Zelda FPS style game

    But NONE of these titles exist!! As a long time Nintendo fan, I'd buy all of these, but they didn't even bother to make and have them ready by the Wii U launch!!

    Also, the migration from the Wii to the Wii U was so customer hostile that we don't play Wii games on the Wii U, we fire up the Wii and use that. One time, one direction game data transfer!! Fuck that shit!! One of the worst customer decisions ever by Nintendo. On the Wii you could plug in the cartridge from your gamecube to access the saved game data, why the hell won't the Wii U and Wii allow you to move Wii save game data back and forth on a SIM card. Oh, what's that Nintendo? Piracy, you say? Well Fuck you there too! I'm a customer who's fairly committed to your stuff who is getting rapidly disillusioned.

  10. EXACTLY! by bussdriver · · Score: 3, Informative

    They are so paranoid about compatibility because of their history of designing things around fixed hardware to get the most out of it (including saving time NOT testing software for such changes.)

    Nintendo could simply create an OPTION to run Wii games in full emulation mode or enhanced mode - and let the user set the option; default to the safe option. Later, with enough feedback online (a simple forum or poll online) could allow them to update their software with a list of safe games to run in enhanced mode.

    OR they could continue to think like the music and movie industry and expect people to buy replacements... then NOT release HD versions of their old games-- Nintendo rarely ever remakes anything, just a few zelda games and the rest is all emulated.

  11. People don't like the U part by jader3rd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I really like the Wii. The motion controls system is by far gen 1, and I always figured that the successor to the Wii would have a better motion control system (perhaps something akin to the Kinect, but a little shy). Then the Wii U is announced and it turns out that the motion control system is identical. The Wii U is a Wii + a fat controller with a screen stuck between the controls.
    So Nintendo back peddled on the motion control thing they had going for them, and as a result the older hardware is still outselling the new hardware because it's cheaper and does as good as the newer hardware in what people buy a Wii for. If the Wii U had a motion control system consumers considered to be an improvement over the Wii, I suspect that Wii U would be at least outselling the Wii.

  12. Re:Ironic by DarkOx · · Score: 2

    The first step to solving a problem, is identifying it. I find the fact that Nintendo was willing to blame it self for its failure in the market place encouraging.

    Rather than a bunch of executives playing CYA and concocting some narrative full of nonsense about macro economic headwinds or something, they actually named something they will be expected to do something about.

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  13. Re:Ironic by i+kan+reed · · Score: 2

    I'll start caring about computing power on consoles again when we have ray-shaded games, I haven't cared about the shininess of games in years now.

  14. Re:Ironic by wed128 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    New Zelda FPS style game

    Worst....Idea....Ever. Zelda is perfect.

  15. I don't want one by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I did want the first Wii, my kids wanted one, my wife wanted one. I dutifully got into line at 6am and got one for Christmas (The year after they came out).

    So now we have the new Wii U and my kids haven't peeped about it, none of their friends have one, my wife doesn't know it exists, and Nintendo hasn't shown me anything interesting.

    I am not saying that the thing is great or that it sucks. I just don't know and haven't seen anything cool about it.

  16. They Made Their Bed by organgtool · · Score: 2

    Nintendo did this to themselves when they abandoned hardcore gamers to cater to casual games with the Wii. That move will always come back to bite you because the casual users are fickle while hardcore gamers will get you through the rough times. And sure enough, casual gamers have moved on to Facebook, tablets, and smartphones, and Nintendo doesn't have anyone left to sell consoles. I used to buy Nintendo consoles because I could play most of the great games available on other systems as well as Nintendo's excellent titles. But ever since the Wii, Nintendo lost most of the decent third-party developers which meant that hardcore gamers would have to buy the Xbox 360 or Playstation 3 to be able to play those games. When that happened, many of the developers and the gamers haven't looked back. Luckily for Nintendo, they're still selling decent numbers of portable units, but the Wii U is in serious trouble. There's no doubt that it will pick up a bit when more first-party titles come out and after an inevitable price drop, but right now most of the hype is around the Xbone and PS4. At this point, I just don't see them making a miraculous comeback and I can't help but wonder if this is their last console. If they did another console, it would have to be absolutely revolutionary - my vote is for a fully immersive virtual reality experience, but I'm not going to hold my breath for that.

  17. Re:Ironic by FlyingCheese · · Score: 2

    So you want Nintendo to have 6 brand-new 1st party developed games at launch? Name one console that has done this in the history of consoles. Go on. Try it.

    Also, a Zelda FPS is the dumbest idea ever. Your idea of refreshing a genre is by shoehorning another tired genre into it?