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First Ever Public Tasting of Lab-Grown Cultured Beef Burger

vikingpower writes "Today, at 14:00 Western European Time (9:00 am Eastern), Professor Mark Post of Maastricht University (the Netherlands) will present a world first: he will cook and serve a burger made from Cultured Beef in front of an invited audience in London. The event will include a brief explanation of the science behind the burger. You can watch the event live, online. The project's fact sheet is to be found here (pdf)." The BBC is reporting that Sergey Brin is the mystery backer behind the project.

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  1. Solving Canibalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This way they can produce human meat for canibals... and curious people asking if we taste like chicken to them.

    1. Re:Solving Canibalism by somersault · · Score: 2

      Human meat is much closer to pork.

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    2. Re:Solving Canibalism by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 3, Informative

      Human meat is much closer to pork.

      That's why they call it "long pig".

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    3. Re:Solving Canibalism by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 2

      It's much closer to ape. By the way, how do you know it's like pork?

    4. Re:Solving Canibalism by arth1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      According to Idi Amin, human flesh tasted quite salty, even saltier than leopard.

    5. Re:Solving Canibalism by radja · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Kosher bacon!

      if it's grown in a petridish, it's not from a pig, right?

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  2. There's a man .... by Cordus+Mortain · · Score: 5, Funny

    .... putting his money where his mouth is

  3. dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    1. Re:dupe by Applekid · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They can keep it.

      Hell, I'm just trying to eat beef/animal products that are more natural than the normal stuff you see in the grocery stores.

      I'd rather cut down my meat intake (quality over quantity), and have say beef, that is grass fed, allowed to eat what it normally eats, and not needing all the hormones and anti-biotics....

      I'm certainly not wanting to swing the complete other day and have synthetic "dead animal".

      Why are we trying to go so far away from foodstuffs that mother natures put on earth for us...?

      It isn't like most of us (in the west) are starving or anything.

      I would argue that if it's possible to grow meat that's just as wholesome as grass-fed beef (arguably more so because it won't have any environmental contaminants at all) and at the same price, the practice of raising and killing of animals is no longer justified in the slightest. It's a morally tough call today as it is.

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    2. Re:dupe by Applekid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a morally tough call today as it is.

      Sorry, I fail to see where morality enters into this argument at all...?

      Humans are just another variety of animal on this planet, like the rest of them, we eat, sleep, shit, fuck and make new little copies of ourselves.

      We just happen to be on the top of the food chain, and have a lot of choices on what to eat, picking from those lower than us on the food chain.

      There's nothing morally wrong with eating something lower than yourself on the food chain, that's they way nature made all of us animals.

      Somewhere along the line....people have gotten so abstracted from their food, they seem to forget this.

      Please don't misunderstand, I like meat and I eat it.

      But I'm not so abstracted from my food that I forget that it used to be a living thing, and that it's life was taken so that I could have nutrition (and useful byproducts like bone meal, glycerin, leather, etc). If we ever reach a level of technology where there are no health or taste reasons why a synthetic meat would be undesirable, I simply wouldn't ever buy meat that used to be alive.

      We're a unique animal that need not be limited to the "natural." It's natural to piss and shit wherever, but modern sanitation sets up some rules about how piss and shit are handled so we don't contaminate our living area or food and water supplies. It's natural to breed and have women spending their childbearing years perpetually pregnant from potentially many different men, but we as a society calm things down a bit because runaway breeding is unsustainable. We've gone far beyond our evolved instincts.

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    3. Re:dupe by CAIMLAS · · Score: 2

      I would argue that if it's possible to grow meat that's just as wholesome as grass-fed beef (arguably more so because it won't have any environmental contaminants at all) and at the same price, the practice of raising and killing of animals is no longer justified in the slightest. It's a morally tough call today as it is.

      So what are you proposing? Are you in the least bit familiar with how cattle are raised, either the 'farmed' variety or the ranged variety?

      What exactly the alternative to killing and eating the cattle?

      I see three options, in light :
      1) Kill them all / exterminate them to the point of extinction
      2) Let 800-1500lb cows range free as 'wild animals', allowing them to die to extinction within a human generation due to how stupid and human dependent they are (but not before people are trampled and gored by the thousands due to cattle having no fear of men).
      3) put them all in zoos for the silly urban people

      I don't suppose anyone has even bothered to note the environmental cost or the scalability of this test tube beef process, either. If you think mass produced ethanol from biomass is tenuous, try this on for size... (And if you don't, you're not paying attention or thinking.)

      This "don't eat the moos" plan has a lot of holes, this being not the least of them. What're you going to do with all the otherwise-unusable land used for grazing - let it lay fallow? (We're talking about most of the states of NE, SD, WY, MT, etc. where farming is markedly more environmentally destructive and has little return, even with the most advanced intensive methods currently known.)

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  4. I'm gonna witch it by Dthief · · Score: 4, Funny
    curse ye eaters of beef most foul

    toil toil grey sludge and genetically engineered eye of newt

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    1. Re:I'm gonna witch it by P-niiice · · Score: 4, Funny

      you will be burned at the steak

  5. Re:You would think. . . by skovnymfe · · Score: 3, Funny

    If he did it in America, someone would sue him for going against Gods will.

  6. Zealouts and Luddites by onyxruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This will divide the extremists. The anti-GM Luddites will go crazy because this is arguably the most anti-organic food on the planet. The vegetarians will celebrate because they get to eat 'meat' once more without killing animals. The vegans will note that animal byproducts are still required for this process to exist at all and still turn their noses up at it.

    Will brains explode with delight with the idea that humans can have their meat without killing cows and all of their related carbon emissions? Will brains explode because the lab grown meat is so expensive that only the very rich can afford it? What will the conscious do with the idea that people get to have meat at all? Will the meat connoisseur snub this lab grown meat versus a nice hamburger from cow #156? Will the greens go nuts because a carbon based food source is being replaced with a lab equivalent that will inevitably be owned by the giant food corps?

    So many heads to explode, so little popcorn.

    1. Re:Zealouts and Luddites by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The price will go down eventually. Personally I look forward to meat without suffering for farm animals. Suffering for the animals is a by product of seeking to control costs, this will allow that without a nervous system that can feel suffering.

      No exploding, just excited to see progress.

    2. Re:Zealouts and Luddites by Sique · · Score: 2

      I don't know how the GM luddites come into play here, as there is no GM at work. It's just cells multiplying, and no single gene gets modified in the process.

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    3. Re:Zealouts and Luddites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The only zealot post in this thread until now appears to be from you :)

    4. Re:Zealouts and Luddites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The vegetarians will celebrate because they get to eat 'meat' once more without killing animals.

      There must be some vegetarians somewhere that will, but I imagine the vast majority just won't care. Most who haven't eaten meat for a while just no longer care for it.

    5. Re:Zealouts and Luddites by Salgak1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Reports are, it tasted lousy, due to nearly zero fat content. Additionally, "real" beef has flavor overtones resultant from the feed the animal was raised on. Thus, corn-fed beef tastes different from grass-fed beef, even if both cows came from the same cows.

      I don't expect vat-raised hamburger, much less steak, being commercially available anytime soon. . . . . simply because if it doesn't TASTE good and have the "mouth feel" of genuine beef, you're not going to get enough buyers to make it a commercial success. . .

    6. Re:Zealouts and Luddites by Bigby · · Score: 2

      What is worse for the environment? A cow that farts and breathes out CO2 but poops good fertilizer. The electricity required to run a lab that produces the same amount of meat, milk, leather, and fertilizer produced by that cow.

    7. Re:Zealouts and Luddites by Noughmad · · Score: 2

      simply because if it doesn't TASTE good and have the "mouth feel" of genuine beef, you're not going to get enough buyers to make it a commercial success. . .

      Just put a lot of sugar and a big red M on it. It will be a success overnight. I wouldn't mention its origin, though.

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    8. Re:Zealouts and Luddites by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not the guy you're responding to, but I think your hostility is unwarranted. Frankly, you come off much worse than the guy you're responding to. For one thing, disagreeing with someone is no reason to call someone an idiot.

      That aside, anti-GM groups and vegetarians have a wide variety of reasons for their beliefs and actions. I know anti-GM people who have good, well thought out reasons, but I also know some who are just anti-science. I know vegetarians who don't eat meat because they're concerned about animal welfare, economic inequality, environmental issues, health issues, or some combination of those. I also know some who just don't like the taste. I also know some for whom it's a fashion statement.

      Don't try to paint over everything with the same brush. There will be some people who are afraid of this meat simply because it was "grown in a lab" which makes it comparable to Frankenstein's monster somehow. Frankly, I'm a bit concerned about the meat because I haven't read enough about what they're actually doing to know that they're not doing something strange, dangerous, or unethical. At this point, it's just my own ignorance, but I'm not going to promote the whole thing and tell people it's fine when I don't actually know what they're doing.

    9. Re:Zealouts and Luddites by Immerman · · Score: 2

      Really, he didn't include fat in his project? Has he never eaten meat?

      As for your argument, the same can be said of factory-farmed meat versus free range, yet the factory farmed meat has enough of a price advantage that most people choose it most of the time, ethics be damned. If lab grown meat can cross the same threshold I expect similar success. As for the flavor overtones, I'm sure the proper additives can be found for the nutrient bath.

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    10. Re:Zealouts and Luddites by Immerman · · Score: 4, Informative

      The objection to GM is not just because "Ahh, not natural", though that is admittedly a component. There are many other good reasons to object, to list a few:
      1) They introduces proteins (insecticides, herbicide resistance, etc) into our food supply that our bodies don't know how to deal with - at least one study shows that pigs fed an exclusively GMO'd diet displayed severe health problems compared to a control group fed an equivalent non-GMO'd diet.
      2) Modified organism may have a significant survival advantage and become invasive organisms, with all the problems that entails
      3) Generally speaking the modified species can cross-breed with their natural relatives, potentially making the original stock unavailable if we discover serious problems down the road.
      4) GMOs tend to be patented, which means we're putting control of our food supply into the hands of a few powerful companies, and eliminating time-honored farming practices in the process, such as keeping part of your harvest to plant the next season.

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    11. Re:Zealouts and Luddites by Immerman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't forget the methane, IIRC cows are the #1 source of emissions of that far more powerful greenhouse gas. It's short-lived, less than a year in the atmosphere as opposed to CO2's 50+, but when you're on the tipping point those extra forcing factors are important to consider.

      But really cows are horrendously inefficient meat sources - they consume 10kg of grain for every 1kg of meat they produce. Presumably most of that inefficiency isn't in the muscles taking up nutrients, so potentially lab meat could be almost 10x as efficient. And given that this is an early stage proof-of-concept I expect most electricity will be generated in much more environmentally friendly ways by the time it's ready for widespread deployment. It better be or we're likely to be screwed for completely unrelated reasons.

      Of course insects are already producing high quality protein at a rate of 9kg of meat per 10kg of feed, so I suppose it's a question of whether Westerners are more freaked out by lab-grown meat or locust-burgers.

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    12. Re:Zealouts and Luddites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My hobby, cook up bacon when vegetarians are around and watch them look at it longingly and give me dirty looks at the same time.

      I bet you think all those people giving you dirty looks when you smoke in their bedroom are doing it out of tobacco envy, too.

    13. Re:Zealouts and Luddites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm not sure why you insist on it tasting the same since real beef is not necessarily a local optimum of taste. They're aiming in the same general direction and if they get it wrong it won't necessarily taste worse. They got unlucky this time but a priori there was some chance it would have tasted better.

    14. Re:Zealouts and Luddites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I imagine it'll have a market among fitness buffs. If it tastes remotely meat-ish and provides the proteins that meat provides, and lacks fat as well, it probably doesn't matter too much if the taste is "good." If you've ever tasted the protein shakes that people buy in bulk at GNC, you'd understand- flavor is not the primary concern.

    15. Re:Zealouts and Luddites by onyxruby · · Score: 2

      1. The pig study has long since been discredited, and there has never been a scientifically accepted study that actually showed any harm from GM foods. These foods have been around for over 20 years, so that is more than enough time for any effects and one can literally say it has been studied for decades.
      2. Modified organisms have a significant survival disadvantage because the seed companies breed them so that they can't breed successive generations.
      3. Cross breeding is difficult when you can't generate successive generations to begin with. They do this for the wrong reasons (to force sales of new product), but the fact remains that they explicitly develop the plants so that they can't be bred in the manner you suggest.
      4. I'm in agreement that patents on food, or any kind of life for that matter are a bad thing.

      I've discovered over the years that most people that are anti-GM take that stance because it was the politically correct thing to do. Once they start to examine the facts their opposition typically drops as unfounded.

  7. Ethical & Environmental by saibot834 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think lab-grown meat is the future. For quite a lot of people, meat is just too tasty to be given up completely. At the same time, it is an environmental disaster, with the United Nations estimating that animal farming has a greater effect on climate change than ALL of the worlds transportation (that is, cars, trucks, trains, ships and airplanes) combined. Some even say it's responsible for 51% of greenhouse gases emissions. Additionally, factory farming causes billions of animals to suffer, which is highly unethical. Lab-grown meat avoids both problems.

    Until we can buy lab-grown meat, we should still go Veg, but once lab-grown meat is available, the abolishment of the mass factory farming is much more realistic.

    1. Re:Ethical & Environmental by Xest · · Score: 2

      I was amused to see the BBC comment at the end of the article that because Chinese and Brazilian meat production seemed to have plateaued that this was a solution in search of a problem.

      It's as if they're entirely unaware that even if they have plateaued there are still major benefits to producing meats with decreased healthcare concerns (we can avoid things like CJD and TB in lab meat), decreased emissions, decreased destruction habitat for meat production.

      This is an important thing even if the human race stopped growing today, even if it reversed somewhat.

    2. Re:Ethical & Environmental by Hatta · · Score: 2

      Why do you assume lab grown meat is going to be more environmentally friendly? It's definitely going to require more energy input than cattle, which are essentially solar powered. All those climate controlled incubators have to run on something.

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  8. Re:You would think. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know, as an American, I resent that remark. We do not sue for going against God's will.

    We burn you at the steak.

    Yes. I went there.

  9. Tasteless by captain_dope_pants · · Score: 4, Informative

    A programme about this was on BBC Radio 4 a couple of years back. IIRC both the scientist and the presenter tried a little bit of "burger" grown in a lab and it was tasteless. Not horrible - just.... nothing much. Also the texture wasn't quite right.

    I think the scientist said that meat (muscle) derives a lot of its taste from the surrounding fat when it's cooked - and, of course, this had no fat.

    The next stage on was to make it taste nice - perhaps in the past two years they've got somewhere with it.

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  10. Re:You would think. . . by superflippy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I made the mistake of eating a hamburger in London in 2001. I was on a long business trip and just wanted something quick to eat, so I ducked into a McDonalds.

    Little did I know that, thanks to the outbreak of Mad Cow Disease, this simple act would make me ineligible to become a blood donor for years to come.

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  11. Predicted Results by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 4, Funny

    Predicted results, in order of severity (best results first)

    1) "But when are you starting to serve the lab-grown meat?"
    2) "Tasty!"
    3) "Not bad"
    4) "Tastes like chicken"
    5) Vomiting
    6) Addictive; taster cannot stop eating... literally
    7) Turns taster into cow
    8) Turns taster into cannibalistic mutant psychotics
    9) Triggers the Rapture
    10) "Tastes like McDonalds"

  12. Re:You would think. . . by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 2

    We burn you at the steak.

    I thought we were talking about hamburger.

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  13. Re:You would think. . . by king+neckbeard · · Score: 4, Funny

    There are many things American don't do well, but we are pretty good about not burning our steaks.

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  14. Re:You would think. . . by Defenestrar · · Score: 2

    Clearly the AC flirted with precognition by assuming someone would throw a good pun into the meat grinder.

  15. Re:You would think. . . by hedwards · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The point of that is for people who can't tolerate dairy products. I suppose vegans as well, but I think it's mainly for those that can't tolerate dairy.

    And that's a much larger group than a lot of people realize, I didn't realize that I had trouble with dairy, until I moved to a part of the world where dairy is hard to get, and I felt physically better than I had in years.

  16. Re:You would think. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    > hamburger ... McDonalds

    So... When did you eat the hamburger?

  17. Re:You would think. . . by phriot · · Score: 2

    Raising animals for meat is resource intensive. I would assume that the hope is to scale this process so that lab-grown meat is much less so. Then ranching land can be reclaimed, water diverted to other endeavors (drinking), etc.

  18. Re:You would think. . . by Politburo · · Score: 5, Informative

    The amount of waste generated by livestock is astounding, not to mention the inputs needed. If inventions such as this can reduce either of those (ideally both), even by just a few percent, there is most certainly a 'point'. There are many non-vegetarians interested in more sustainable production methods.

  19. Re:You would think. . . by NIK282000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    China's populations is levelling off but its standard of living is going up. Not every one lives in a house with electricity and plumbing but most people would like to. When larger fractions of their population start living the western life you can bet they wont want to farm their own foods. We are no where near feeding the world adequately, if this can be done cheap and efficiently than its a big step in the right direction.

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  20. Re:You would think. . . by Immerman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How exactly is laboratory grown meat more disgusting than a factory-farmed alternative? If it tastes similar enough* and the price can be made competitive I predict a lot of high-yield subspecies will go nearly extinct.

    *within acceptable tolerances - factory farmed meat is a poor substitute for free-range meat, but is so much cheaper that most people will choose it anyway. Same with most high-yield fruits and vegetables that have been bred (or genetically modified) to have huge yields with little or no regard for flavor.

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  21. Re:You would think. . . by ckhorne · · Score: 4, Informative

    I lived in London during that timeframe as well. Having eaten at McDonalds doesn't make you ineligible. Simply being in the UK for a prolonged time during the BSE outbreak will cause you to be turned down for blood donations.

    The forms for blood donations don't even mention McDonalds, but they do ask if you were in the UK over certain dates. If so, you're ineligible to give blood, even if you're a vegan.

  22. Re:You would think. . . by taiwanjohn · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's only because of how we raise livestock. There are other ways which do not have these problems.

    Other benefits Managed Intensive Rotational Grazing include:

    1. Reduction of parasites, pests, and disease vectors.
    2. Less need for pharmaceuticals.
    3. No need for fertilizer.
    4. Less petroleum used in transporting feed and manure to/from the CAFO.
    5. Increases soil fertility.
    6. Increases topsoil coverage and depth.
    7. Can reverse desertification.
    8. Sequesters vast amounts of CO2.

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  23. Vege burgers by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 2

    I'm still skeptical these will do so well because, quite frankly, vege burgers and other meat substitutes are actually very good alternatives to meat already. I won't claim they're as good, but they are pretty damned close and, considering that they are easier to make, less chance of food borne illness, and healthier for you and the environment, I'd recommend giving them a shot. If the vat grown stuff can be better in cost and taste, then maybe it will do well, but I think the main advantage it has is that there is stigma on the concept of vege burgers and the like. And if protein is a concern, between things like various beans and quinoa, that can be handled without meat too.

    This is a cool idea and I hope no foodie luddites start with the fearmongering (I guarantee in a sooner or later someone out there will start claiming vat grown meat causes cancer), but really I think there is a suitable, and quite possibly superior, technology already here.

  24. Re:You would think. . . by CAIMLAS · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd mod you up if I could.

    So many of the anti-meat crowd are completely oblivious to how cattle ranching is primarily done these days. Managed intensive rotational grazing isn't the sought after ideal, it's reality for pretty much everyone I know who ranches and is holding on or doing well, and it's been that way for probably a decade or more now.

    These idiots think cows are grown in vats and fed a steady diet of bubble gum and corn syrup in a 1920s style slaughterhouse.

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