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Want To Record Xbox One Gameplay? Get Ready To Pay

First time accepted submitter tocsy writes "Microsoft has seemingly not learned from their previous PR fiasco. According to the official site, some features as basic as recording and sharing gameplay videos will require a $60/year Xbox Live Gold account. PS4 owners will of course also have to pay for some online services, but recording and streaming will not be exclusive to Plus subscribers."

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  1. Sony should hire the XBox PR dept by Omicron32 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Every time they open their mouths they make the PS4 look better.

    1. Re:Sony should hire the XBox PR dept by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      "there is no point in having a console for offline only" Really dude?

      Why cant i record on my Xbox offline and transfer the resultant file to a PC that can upload for FREE? It amazes me how people dismiss perfectly viable and non-burdensome ways of doing things because its not stupid dead simple.

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  2. YAAAWN by Ignacio · · Score: 2

    So what. Recording gameplay has always been easy enough for those who want to do it, and irrelevant for those that don't. The ability to record from the console itself is just another gimmick.

    1. Re:YAAAWN by Ignacio · · Score: 2

      it may be a gimmick but it is a gimmick with value. Prices for a capture card range from 25$ to 150$ on Amazon.

      Only once.

  3. Money. by Str1der · · Score: 2

    Microsoft has become excessively greedy, even for them.

  4. Re:Good luck with that by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Informative

    HDCP is broken for those willing to go to the effort to circumvent it. That is an extremely tiny amount of people.

    Got a few hundred? This is all you need.

    Or if the console supports component video out, problem solved.

    The 360 didn't put HDCP on the HDMI. The PS3 did, so all the capture cards today tell you to use component in for the PS3.

  5. Disgusting how passive people are... by blahplusplus · · Score: 2

    ... the reason all this nonsense is happening is because the game industry has seen the sick money from World of warcraft and F2P's and they want in on the action. Nintendo shutting down video's of people playing games and commenting them on youtube. The vast gaming masses are dumb stupid, passive, tech illiterate sheep. Gaming is suffering because of market expansion (aka appealing to the lowest common denominator).

    The worst part about it is the kids and adults who defend this crap.

    1. Re:Disgusting how passive people are... by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      Games are art, and as such can be both banal or enlightening. Art is important to life too or we wouldnt spend some much time and effort on it.

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  6. Nothing to see here by 0x15e · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is it really news that MS is requiring people to have a Gold account to use online features of an Xbox console? There's nothing going on here that wasn't already going on with the Xbox 360 ... except of course stirring up some more MS / Xbox One hate.

    1. Re:Nothing to see here by sl3xd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd mod you up if I could.

      Xbox Live Gold is required for everything except downloading patches. It sounds like a fanboi who really knows nothing about the Xbox is proving his ignorance/making an ass of himeself.

      There's nothing new here; the Xbox Live Gold has been a thing since the original Xbox.

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    2. Re:Nothing to see here by OhANameWhatName · · Score: 4, Funny

      except of course stirring up some more MS / Xbox One hate

      What site did you think you were on?

    3. Re:Nothing to see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Yes, it is news. They're deliberately screwing their customers with no good reason for it, and their main competitors are not forcing this requirement. It's the same with Netflix - MS requires you to pay them to access your paid Netflix subscription, ridiculous.

    4. Re:Nothing to see here by Sockatume · · Score: 2

      Microsoft isn't competing with the original Xbox, it's competing with the PS4. Times change. People started to think Gold wasn't such a good deal when the video apps launched and you had to buy a subscription to access video streaming services you were already paying for; it has gone downhill from there.

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    5. Re:Nothing to see here by ildon · · Score: 2

      You're right. Times do change. And now the PS4 is requiring PS+ for all online features exactly the way MS requires Xbox Live Gold for online features.

  7. Not just recording gameplay by Xian97 · · Score: 4, Informative

    They are also putting OneGuide and Skype behind the Xbox Live Gold paywall. It looks like most of the new features they have added to Xbox One will require XBL Gold.The PS4 will let you record gameplay without a PS+ account.

    The main difference I see in PS+ and Xbox Live Gold is that PS+ is per PS3/PS4 where Xbox Live Gold is per account. For those of us with families, that is a substantial difference. Both of my kids and myself would be able to play under the single PS+ account for $50, where for XBL Gold each of us would require our own account, bringing the total to $180.

    1. Re:Not just recording gameplay by suutar · · Score: 4, Informative

      If it helps, xbox live gold family gets you 4 people for $100, if I recall the number properly. Your point that xblg tends to cost more for families is still valid, though.

    2. Re:Not just recording gameplay by spire3661 · · Score: 3, Informative

      If what you say was true, my wife wouldnt get kicked off Netflix on the Xbox because i logged into GTA IV with GFWL on my PC. When it matters, its per person.

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    3. Re:Not just recording gameplay by Sockatume · · Score: 2

      Just $100 per year to use the online features of a console which, until recently, was never meant to go offline. By grabthar's hammer, what a savings.

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  8. Re:Good luck with that by alen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    why would i buy this compared to paying for 5 years of x box live?

    some of you people are crazy. spend lots of money to bypass some feature that costs less than the workaround

  9. Re:Good luck with that by suutar · · Score: 2

    I suspect this is not so much aimed at "hey, that video was recorded from an xbox" as "you can't use this xbox app that records and uploads your game footage without Gold", which is pretty much the same as they do for Netflix.

  10. Re: It's called a capture card... by dnadoc · · Score: 2

    Might be FUD. GameDVR is a new in-game feature. They're not removing or restricting old functionality, afaik.

  11. Re:It's called a capture card... by gl4ss · · Score: 2, Insightful

    even fucking ouya has hdcp.

    the membership fee is a big downer. my classic xbox cost me less than the fees for 3 years.

    and no I don't really see what I'm getting for the money, I'm getting everything the membership gives for free on my pc connected to my tv. I don't need to pay MS extra for accessing netflix. I don't need to pay MS for hosting net games. I don't need to pay MS for playing multiplayer games online. I'm even using MS os on that pc connected to the tv!

    you know what was the biggest bullshit about live gold? games like halo4. want to go online with a friend, splitscreen? well fuck you BOTH need to pay for live gold! FUCK 'EM.

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  12. Re:Good luck with that by citizenr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    there are $30 chinese hdmi splitters/switches that also strip hdcp, but dont advertise it

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  13. Re:Good luck with that by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    some of you people are crazy. spend lots of money to bypass some feature that costs less than the workaround

    Lots of people will do things that are against their immediate economic interests to bring social pressures to bear on those who are behaving badly towards the community. It's called spite.

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  14. Re:Good luck with that by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

    some of you people are crazy. spend lots of money to bypass some feature that costs less than the workaround

    Yea, but they get to hand money over to a different corporation. So, you know, like, totally different, man.

    Fight the power!

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  15. Re: It's called a capture card... by HairyNevus · · Score: 2

    Yeah, this article is biased, but not incorrect. Namely, they forgot to point out that the PS4, for the first time in the console history, will require its subscription (PlayStation Plus) for online play. Here's a more even take on how both consoles are ramping up their profits: http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/pay-play-xbox-one-playstation-4-differ-premium-features-6C10874607.

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  16. Microsoft? No MBASoft by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It sounds like the spreadsheet wielding MBAs have completely taken over Microsoft. Spreadsheet thinking is an easy trap to fall into. You put up all your costs, and all your revenues and look at the bottom line. Then you start slipping in the occasional extra bit of revenue and suddenly the bottom line numbers start to grow like balloon. The key problem is that some numbers are hard factual numbers such as reducing the quality of the plastic will save you a fairly specific amount of money. But the problem is that a change of that nature may impact things like the reviews, return rates, breakage during shipping, etc. These numbers just come out of their ass and can end up being very optimistic. But you aren't looking at just one MBA with his spreadsheet but dozens all running their little fiefdoms and making their own adjustments.

    I'm not saying they shouldn't make a profit but that they often don't match the weight of the pros and cons of each decision. For example. How hard do you have to push a faithful XBox 360 user to switch to the PS4 instead of buying the new XBox? Or like XP might many Xbox users stick with the 360 instead of going to XBox Vista? Then when they start trying to poison the 360 well the users might switch to the PS4. Even more complicated is that many people might be getting their gaming from their mobile devices. Would people abandon the console for a mobile device. These are all very hard questions to quantify and thus properly spreadsheet. So the MBAs argue that action X will annoy 1% of users while adding 10% to revenue. The 10% is probably close. The 1% is just a wacky guess.

    1. Re:Microsoft? No MBASoft by OhANameWhatName · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I like the point you're making, it's very true. Not every 'saving' is really a saving.

      Would people abandon the console for a mobile device

      But this is so much more true. The 'gaming console' era is nearing the end of it's teather. People are sick of the pump and dump shoot by wire FPS rubbish which has been churned out for the last 10 years. Couple this with mobile gaming devices that are powerful enough and full of fun (if not graphtastic) cheap games using effective intuitive controls along with simple effective PC gaming that moves SSSOOOOO much faster that and you've got the death of the loungeroom gaming device.

      I don't think it's that the MS beancounters are necessarily killing the platform. But unfortunately, nobody is reviving the platform. There's little to encourage people to desire these expensive, inflexible and nonsensical devices in the face of so much change. The XBOX 1 market is essentially the XBOX 360 market, only smaller.

      Until the beancounters face up to the need for massive change, aint nothing gonna keep this dead duck breathing.

    2. Re:Microsoft? No MBASoft by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      $1500 for a 'moderate' gaming PC?

      I built a new gaming PC for $1500 last year. It has the second most powerful consumer CPU at that time, tons of RAM, an SSD, 3TB of hard drive space, and a mid to high-end GPU that plays most games maxed out at 1920x1080.

      $700 should get you a 'moderate' gaming PC. After all, most PC games are ports of consoles with hardware equivalent to about a five-year old PC.

      Better yet, get a 'moderate" PC for $200 (which runs basically most games for PC anyways) and pick up a used PS3 for under $200. Or Xbox360, if you prefer.

      This will get you the AAA titles on PS3 (or Xbox360). And the PC can be used for gaming.

      $200 for a gaming PC? Yes. Because most PC games (except the AAA titles) really don't need more than Intel graphics.

      The AAA titles have moved to consoles and PCs are just crappy ports where it's almost pointless since invariably, the PC version comes later (blame piracy, blame low sales, but I'd be surprised if many PC game ports made up their porting costs - save PC-exclusive gaming companies like Valve). What has exploded on PCs is the indie games which don't have heavy graphics requirements, heavy processor requirements, and more importantly, are *fun*.

      The outgoing console generation was about HDTV. In the meantime, PC games migrated from AAA titles to indie titles, some of which are extremely good (some? Yes, some, as 90% of it is crap. However, the number of indie games on PC is ... mind-blowingly large so even the tiny fraction that's good is still hundreds, if not thousands, of games).

      iOS and Android have been a huge boom for indie devs as well - offering extremely low entry points (the cost to develop a good mobile game isn't that high, and that's good games, not Farmville like ones).

      In fact, this upcoming generation of consoles will be defined more by how they're going to get indie devs moreso than AAA titles. The AAA titles will always be there. But it's the indie developers that'll be the ones who make the platform.

      Xbox Live Arcade and PSN Store were merely feeble entries into the indie market.

      Anyhow, Microsoft is arrogant because the Xbox360 was wildly successful compared to their main competitor (and considering it surpassed the Wii a couple of years ago, it's "the winner"). Of course, this next generation resets the entire playfield - remember how Sony was arrogant about the PS3?

      The thing we should consider is that we have competition. Microsoft's already made some changes (though they really should bring back the sharing/lending/selling of digital downloads feature - no other "app" store has that ability. Even if a portion goes to the publisher, it still beats Steam and other systems where it's locked to your account. Of course, if you have a physical disc, then it's the same as always).

      Imagine how bad gaming would be if Microsoft never entered and Sony continued the PS2 with the PS3 unopposed. Well, Microsoft should be put back in their place as well after beat Sony (who was "winning" for what, a decade and a half?).

  17. Re: Good luck with that by alen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's called upselling

    Red hat and all the open source companies do it as well. And google

  18. Re:It's called a capture card... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    there is no HDCP on the HDMI out on the xbone for gameplay.

    http://www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news-15728-Xbox-One-s-Gameplay-Recording-Facility-Won-t-Use-HDCP.html

  19. Re:Either way. by acariquara · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'll bite. I run Steam on Windows and OSX, my Windows client lists 257 games. The same library on OSX amass 167 games, and 83 on Linux.

    Yeah, Linux compatibility is a fraction of Windows Steam titles, but not that low.

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  20. Re:Either way. by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yeah, Linux compatibility is a fraction of Windows Steam titles...

    As an utter jackass, I feel compelled to point out that every rational number, even those greater than one, are fractions.

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  21. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Until you "hold it wrong".

  22. Re:Either way. by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Informative

    You missed the first definition, and all of the wit:

    1. A numerical quantity that is not a whole number

    Or, you could consider that the default dictionary is simply wrong. Improper fractions representing whole numbers are still fractions, and that limited scope doesn't even cover all of the fields that use the word "fraction". Try this one instead. It's a more complete set of definitions, but it does lack that particular insulting quality that you seem to hold so dear.

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  23. Xbox Live by SmaryJerry · · Score: 2

    I will never buy xbox live again because it was so impossible to cancel the last time.

    1. Re:Xbox Live by Desler · · Score: 2

      How was it "so impossible to cancel"? You:

      1) Navigate to live.xbox.com.
      2) Sign into your account.
      3) Click "My account".
      4) Click "Cancel Auto Payment".

      Now you've canceled your service.

  24. Re: It's called a capture card... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    "you know what was the biggest bullshit about live gold? games like halo4. want to go online with a friend, splitscreen? well fuck you BOTH need to pay for live gold!"

    What?? Are you being serious? That's not true, you can have friends sign into your Xbox with the Guest Live account and play multiplayer on the same Xbox with just one account.

  25. Re:Either way. by flargleblarg · · Score: 5, Informative

    You know, if you were just joking, then you should have just let it go. Now you look like you're grasping at straws to justify what you said, since any (reasonably-educated) native English speaker will be familiar with the definition of 'fraction' that he was using.

    Sarten-X is 100% correct — and his original post was hilarious in my opinion. Fractions do not need to be less than 1 (or greater than -1, for that matter). Common English definitions are irrelevant here; this is a mathematical definition.

  26. Re:Either way. by Seumas · · Score: 3, Funny

    Boy, that exciting and compelling Ouya game library!

  27. Re: Good luck with that by Patch86 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I always thought the main point of HDCP was to prevent precious Hollywood movies leaking out of DVD land and on to Torrent. It only takes one determined hacker to render that purpose useless, even if you have (bonus!) managed to make millions of innocent users' lives more difficult in the process.

    But then that's the DRM story all over, isn't it.

  28. Re:Implying playing a console requires any skill by N1AK · · Score: 2

    Implying playing a console requires any skill with all these semi-automatic movements and auto-aim required to be able to play FPS with a gamepad.

    Implying playing a PC requires any skill with all these mice and keyboards, huge screens, comfortable surroundings. If you want to see skill go to your local warzone or failing that paintball arena.

  29. Re:Either way. by RoboJ1M · · Score: 2

    2 is an excellent fraction of 3 and, indeed, of many other fine numbers. :)
    pi is an irrational number, 2 is rational.
    Both fractions, only 2 can be represented as a perfect fraction.
    I *think* pi can only be represented as a vulgar fraction.
    A-level maths, however, was a very long time ago...

  30. Re:It's all in perspective by phorm · · Score: 2

    For the last 6 years I've been getting a great online experience

    And if you want to get online to play on MS's servers, that's legitimate as they have to pay for the infrastructure. The issue comes when they do stupid shit like restricting Netflix to a Gold account. WHY? It costs them nothing for you to run Netflix, so the only reason for this is greed.

    Gameplay recording I could also see being a paid/premium feature if it uses MS's servers.

    But in terms of a great online experience: When I compare my xb360 from when I first got it to now, it has gone from a relatively easy-to-use and clean interface to an ad-laden piece-of-shit which constantly tries to upsell "premium" features and sales at the expense of usability.