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Want To Record Xbox One Gameplay? Get Ready To Pay
First time accepted submitter tocsy writes "Microsoft has seemingly not learned from their previous PR fiasco. According to the official site, some features as basic as recording and sharing gameplay videos will require a $60/year Xbox Live Gold account. PS4 owners will of course also have to pay for some online services, but recording and streaming will not be exclusive to Plus subscribers."
Or are they also doing HDCP just to make sure that if you want to record footage, you need to pony up the cash?
Not calling Microsoft a paragon of virtue here, but what are you recording offline anyway? PS4 is a great console, I might get one, but the xbox bashing is starting to feel a little over the top.
I have a picture of the end screen from Punch Out, thats about the last gaming achievement I felt compelled to capture.
HDCP is broken. How do they expect to prevent people from dumping the digital video stream?
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I'm done with consoles. None of them can be trusted.
Greedy assholes. Fuck them all.
Every time they open their mouths they make the PS4 look better.
So what. Recording gameplay has always been easy enough for those who want to do it, and irrelevant for those that don't. The ability to record from the console itself is just another gimmick.
Microsoft has become excessively greedy, even for them.
... the reason all this nonsense is happening is because the game industry has seen the sick money from World of warcraft and F2P's and they want in on the action. Nintendo shutting down video's of people playing games and commenting them on youtube. The vast gaming masses are dumb stupid, passive, tech illiterate sheep. Gaming is suffering because of market expansion (aka appealing to the lowest common denominator).
The worst part about it is the kids and adults who defend this crap.
Is it really news that MS is requiring people to have a Gold account to use online features of an Xbox console? There's nothing going on here that wasn't already going on with the Xbox 360 ... except of course stirring up some more MS / Xbox One hate.
They are also putting OneGuide and Skype behind the Xbox Live Gold paywall. It looks like most of the new features they have added to Xbox One will require XBL Gold.The PS4 will let you record gameplay without a PS+ account.
The main difference I see in PS+ and Xbox Live Gold is that PS+ is per PS3/PS4 where Xbox Live Gold is per account. For those of us with families, that is a substantial difference. Both of my kids and myself would be able to play under the single PS+ account for $50, where for XBL Gold each of us would require our own account, bringing the total to $180.
Unless you like showing everyone how 1337 your Single Player gaming skills are, most likely you're going to have an Xbox Gold Account anyway.
As for the other things tied to Xbox live, if all you want to do is watch Netflix on your Xbox, your better off getting yourself a Google TV and sit on the $400 you saved by buying it, or even a Chromecast and use the $65 to buy some movies to stream.
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My understanding is that the PS4 uses HDCP encryption for everything, whereas the XB1 only uses it for playing movies. This means existing recording solutions should work fine for the XB1 (i.e. you don't need to pay Microsoft), whereas for recording PS4 footage requires the use of the PS4's own recording tools (along with any baked in limitations, like a 15 minute limit I've read about).
Not really sure of the practical implications of any of that, seeing as I don't myself record footage of games, but whatever :P
So they can shoot themselves in the foot twice.
And I probably won't buy into either XBone or PS4 (_maybe_ until my PS3 60GB finally gives in and can't find any other PS3) because they might change their mind back to the beginning of their original secret plans as soon the market is flooded by devices.
I stopped playing games years ago, but only bought two consoles, one of them used. The willingness to fork over money for New Locked-up gaming hardware and New games locked into one console have left me utterly fascinated. Not for a business model (which isn't particularly brilliant) but for the lemming-like procession of people queuing up to be shackled. Yeah, some of the games a pretty neat, but if people would stop buying this Console + Game = -$$$ line of math you'd find the games finally migrating all back to the desktop, laptop or tablet. I figured consoles would all be dead by now.
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You've been able to do more without a paid subscription on the PS3 as well, and it hasn't seemed to have handicapped the Xbox's sales and market share.
Want to record SNES gameplay? Too bad, that isn't a thing you can do. Not in the console hardware, anyway. Seems pretty clear that recording gameplay is an addon functionality to a game console, not part of the core functionality. It seems pretty reasonable that you might be asked to pay extra for extra functionality if you wanted it. (As opposed to "play the single-player games you already purchased without needing an internet connection", for instance, which seems like a far more core functionality.)
Of course, nothing stopped you from mounting a video recorder next to your tv to record SNES gameplay, and nothing would presumably be stopping you from doing the same thing now, either.
It sounds like the spreadsheet wielding MBAs have completely taken over Microsoft. Spreadsheet thinking is an easy trap to fall into. You put up all your costs, and all your revenues and look at the bottom line. Then you start slipping in the occasional extra bit of revenue and suddenly the bottom line numbers start to grow like balloon. The key problem is that some numbers are hard factual numbers such as reducing the quality of the plastic will save you a fairly specific amount of money. But the problem is that a change of that nature may impact things like the reviews, return rates, breakage during shipping, etc. These numbers just come out of their ass and can end up being very optimistic. But you aren't looking at just one MBA with his spreadsheet but dozens all running their little fiefdoms and making their own adjustments.
I'm not saying they shouldn't make a profit but that they often don't match the weight of the pros and cons of each decision. For example. How hard do you have to push a faithful XBox 360 user to switch to the PS4 instead of buying the new XBox? Or like XP might many Xbox users stick with the 360 instead of going to XBox Vista? Then when they start trying to poison the 360 well the users might switch to the PS4. Even more complicated is that many people might be getting their gaming from their mobile devices. Would people abandon the console for a mobile device. These are all very hard questions to quantify and thus properly spreadsheet. So the MBAs argue that action X will annoy 1% of users while adding 10% to revenue. The 10% is probably close. The 1% is just a wacky guess.
Until you "hold it wrong".
Well they've been charging for access to gold so people can get on NetFlix... what do you expect. One more drop in the bucket of why I will never buy another Xbox.
I will never buy xbox live again because it was so impossible to cancel the last time.
Sony, of course, rushed to remind the public that their video streaming and video share feature will be free. Sony's strategy seems obvious, when Microsoft announces a restrictive (used games) or $$$ oriented policy, Sony gets a free PR bon-bon by reminding everyone about their new PS4. Can Microsoft really not see one move ahead on the chess board?
Maybe the Xbox factory is just a front for drugs or something.
OUYA has only an HDMI output and no other video outputs, and I've read that OUYA has HDCP always on. (Source: Search Google for ouya hdcp) So how are developers supposed to record video of their own games to make a trailer?
GameDVR is a new in-game feature. They're not removing or restricting old functionality, afaik.
If there's no RGB or YPbPr component output on a console, then they're removing functionality. Do the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One have component out, or are they HDMI-only like the OUYA?
if people would stop buying this Console + Game = -$$$ line of math you'd find the games finally migrating all back to the desktop, laptop or tablet.
Including games in genres that rely on two to four players looking at one screen, such as fighting games, cooperative platformers, and action games inspired by classic arcade games? Those don't work well on a monitor smaller than a TV, and I'm under the impression that not a lot of gamers are willing to connect a PC in one room to a TV in the living room or build a home theater PC just for one game.
Of course, nothing stopped you from mounting a video recorder next to your tv to record SNES gameplay
Other than that my Philips DVD recorder loses sync to the Super NES's nonstandard video signal for some reason. It records my NES's equally nonstandard signal just fine; go figure.
and nothing would presumably be stopping you from doing the same thing now, either.
Except perhaps HDCP on the HDMI output.
Couple this with mobile gaming devices that are powerful enough and full of fun (if not graphtastic) cheap games using effective intuitive controls
Say one were to make Mega Man 2 or Bionic Commando or DuckTales or any of several other classic Capcom platformers for a touch-screen mobile gaming device like the fourth-generation iPod touch. What "effective intuitive controls" would a touch-based platformer use?
to record live feed from the spybox one's kinect cameras.
Implying playing a PC requires any skill with all these mice and keyboards, huge screens, comfortable surroundings. If you want to see skill go to your local warzone or failing that paintball arena.
I get it, you're pissed. You (the general population posting in these forums) hate Microsoft, this is a chance to try and get others to rally behind you. You claim that this is the feature/policy that broke the camels back and now you definitely will not be buying an xbox ever again. To you, charging for video streaming is just one more way that "the man" is trying to stick it to you. Last time it was Netflix, those bastards.
I tend to approach it from the other perspective. For the last 6 years I've been getting a great online experience. A reliable multiplayer utopia where I can have persistent chat rooms independent of what activity my friends are currently engaged in (ps3? no), access to countless media streaming services like netflix, hbo go, xfinity, vevo, syfy, espn, mlb.tv, etc., and it all costs me about $3 / mo (I don't know why people would pay full retail which is $5 / mo when the memberships are regularly on sale from Newegg and the like for ~$37 online). Outrageous, right? Well I don't think so. I think that's a hell of a deal for what I get. The PS3 fans are right in stating that they can use their consoles without PS+ to do this stuff but I know they're lying through their teeth OR they just don't know any better cause they've never tried XBLG. The PS chat system is HORRIBLE and you have what, 4 or 5 video streaming services and no audio services outside of Sony's own personal offerings? With channels like VEVO on the xbox I have 24 hours a day of music video streaming, on demand, any artist I want, my own personal MTV. Prefer music in the background, fire up Last.fm. Video rentals? Got those too from more sources than the PS3 can touch.
So while you see this as an affront to your console gaming experience, I see it as one MORE feature that my $3 / mo was getting me. Now I can stream video of me getting tea-bagged to all my friends, damn life is sweet.
Yes like those Linux Zealots, who don't pay a thing, however they don't get those features that "They done need anyways"
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This is trolling. Should never have made it past the mods. To get Xbox Live functionality you pay the Gold subscription. Always been that way. If you don't want to pay get a PS* and get much less featured and cohesive online experience.
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However, the number of indie games on PC is ... mind-blowingly large so even the tiny fraction that's good is still hundreds, if not thousands, of games
The problem here is two fold. First, sifting through this 90 percent crap to find the gems becomes difficult. Second, indie developers are discouraged from adding local multiplayer features (one PC, one monitor, two to four gamepads) because hardly anybody has a PC monitor big enough to fit two to four people around.
Anyhow, Microsoft is arrogant because the Xbox360 was wildly successful compared to their main competitor
How so? Xbox 360 may have won North America, but it tied PlayStation 3 worldwide.
you're getting dedicated servers. On the PC it's not an issue, because you can run your own pretty easy/cheap. I have several buds that are hardcore PC gamers that pitch in and buy server time with some company to run their Quake/CS games off of so they don't hit performance bottlenecks.
I don't care much for playing online, but most of my friends that do on the PS3 complained about lag. And I can't imagine developers didn't have a hard time running the all net code client side on top of the game...
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