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Malaria Vaccine Nearing Reality

colin_faber writes "Right on the heels of the Bill Gates BusinessWeek article discussing the importance of disease prevention and cure over technological deployment is news from CNN that U.S. researchers may have a viable vaccine for malaria. If true, this could change the lives of up to 3.3 billion people living in malaria danger zones and allow us to do away with this disease, which kills hundreds of thousands of people."

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  1. "allow us to do away with this disease".... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    yeah... Until concerned parents boycott the vaccine because they think it causes autism.

    1. Re:"allow us to do away with this disease".... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's silly, why would anyone believe that? No, africans are more prone to believing scientific facts like 'having sex with babies to get rid of AIDS'.

    2. Re:"allow us to do away with this disease".... by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Actually in Muslim countries extremists are telling people that the polio vaccine is a way for the west to get your DNA so they can track you down and kill you later. Or that it causes AIDs or that it is a plot to sterilize Muslim girls. They also say that is how the US found Bin Laden. None of it is true and there have even been murders of the people trying to give the vaccines. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/09/world/africa/in-nigeria-polio-vaccine-workers-are-killed-by-gunmen.html?_r=0
      And please do not get off on an anti-muslim or anti-religion rant. This is pure politics and if you do not think that atheists in power have not done the same types of things I suggest you read up on the history of the USSR, China and North Korea.

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    3. Re:"allow us to do away with this disease".... by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure diseases mutating around the vaccine is usually a bigger problem, albeit a less infuriating one. We know the diseases lack nervous systems, the parents we expect DO have brain cells.

    4. Re:"allow us to do away with this disease".... by OldCodger · · Score: 1

      Obligatory - http://xkcd.com/1215/ Maybe before we rush to adopt a malaria vaccine we should stop to consider the consequences of blithely giving this technology such a central position in our lives. Malaria has been a powerful evolutionary force for thousands of years - are we really ready to remove it - have we studied the possible consequences?

    5. Re:"allow us to do away with this disease".... by medv4380 · · Score: 0

      Doing away with the disease is an over-hyped exaggeration. Malaria is not a human exclusive virus. It is a Bacteria that infects many species. Eradicating it will be near impossible. You'd have to vaccinate every host species, and that's not going to happen.

    6. Re:"allow us to do away with this disease".... by Kazman20 · · Score: 1

      there are different strains of malaria, but the one most common and damaging to humans is Plasmodium falciparum ( by way not a bacteria) and pretty much exclusive to humans since the main vector of transmission is An. gambiae a mosquito that feeds almost exclusively on humans as well. So if you eliminate the natural reservoirs i.e. infected humans, you can eliminate the disease or at least its most virulent form.

    7. Re:"allow us to do away with this disease".... by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      Re linked XKCD: The absence of Google Glass hasn't killed many people. Malaria is a bit different.

    8. Re:"allow us to do away with this disease".... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AID workers are how we DID get Osama.

      The reason that health workers have such poor reputations, and rumors about them spread easily, is because they've siding with politicians doing evil, subversive, anti-social things before. Eugenics in the US left MORE THAN ONE generation of people who fearing going to a doctor. Centuries of abuse too raw for ever prisoners in state run insane assylums created a fear of mental health.(complete with shock torture, lobotomies, mind erasing drugs, etc...)

      Syphillis and gonerea experiments on unwitting peoples in South America.

      People do not just FORGET about this. The stories they tell might be grossly exagerated, but there is a very real grain of truth that we have yet to come to grips with, and the overall message that staying away from western aid, might not be misplaced.

    9. Re:"allow us to do away with this disease".... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really the only thing specifically religious about your statement is the bit about it "sterilizing muslim girls". So it'd be silly to rant about religion in that case, but disgusting sub-human trash that deserve no less than being thrown into a tire fire pit is a description that applies equally well to aforementioned parents and extremists. It's hard not to rant about these things. So if you must rant, make it equal opportunity.

    10. Re:"allow us to do away with this disease".... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah... Until concerned parents boycott the vaccine because they think it causes autism.

      Those autism concerned parents are highly likely not living in malaria infested regions e.g. Africa ,Asia .

  2. Can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it include formaldehyde? If so, I'm all over it!

    1. Re:Can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the parasitically infected mosquitoes are irradiated and the parasites, weakened by the radiation, are extracted. Now I'm wondering why I just now thought of Spider man?

  3. Heals? by somersault · · Score: 4, Funny

    Genius pun, or awful spelling?

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  4. African parent vs autism by sjbe · · Score: 0

    Until concerned parents boycott the vaccine because they think it causes autism.

    I don't think that is going to be a big problem in Africa.

    1. Re:African parent vs autism by Seumas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Until concerned parents boycott the vaccine because they think it causes autism.

      I don't think that is going to be a big problem in Africa.

      . . . where people allegedly believe raping virgins is a cure for AIDs...?

    2. Re:African parent vs autism by Noughmad · · Score: 1

      Why not? Do you feel that Africans are, on average, more rational than Europeans and Americans?

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    3. Re:African parent vs autism by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

      There have been instances of vaccine-related 'controversy' bullshit in Africa(Good work, part of Nigera, it's not like polio is a problem or anything...); but none related to autism, to my knowledge.

      In general, though, there's nothing like a population for which some ghastly disease is still a firsthand reality to keep vaccine concerns (even ones founded on actual side effects of the vaccine) at bay. For something with the morbidity and mortality rates of malaria, even a vaccine with atypically nasty risks would probably be damn popular.

      The really difficult problem is when dealing with diseases that are almost nonexistent (and thus not scary)

    4. Re:African parent vs autism by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      I love the mistake in the article: the organization supposedly named "People Opposed to Women Abused". As in "(People Opposed to Women) Abused"?

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    5. Re:African parent vs autism by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why not? Do you feel that Africans are, on average, more rational than Europeans and Americans?

      More rational? No. More fearful of illness and/or death by malaria? Just a bit...

      Medicine-related nonsense tends to flourish in the presence of at least one of two conditions: (1) the risk presented by a given disease is very low (the common cold is annoying but nearly harmless, so Airborne(tm) "Invented by a schoolteacher!" doesn't have to worry about any unpleasant testimonials involving dead customers, as long as it doesn't kill them itself...) (2) Conventional medicine has few answers, or very bad news, for you. (If the doctor says that there isn't much we can do, the odds that you'll go find somebody willing to tell you something more palatable just jumped rather markedly...)

      American and European vaccine 'controversy' flourishes in the presence of both of these elements: the vaccines people worry about are for diseases that relatively few people have even seen/experienced in person (because vaccination mostly eradicated them) and which are seen as very low risk, while the fears and quackery bubble around autism, a condition for which present medical expertise's ability to help is rather severely lacking.

      When it comes to diseases that actually scare them, Americans and Europeans have relatively high compliance rates, even with treatments that are well known to be quite unpleasant and dangerous (chemo, major surgery, antiretrovirals, etc, etc.).

    6. Re:African parent vs autism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not? Do you feel that Africans are, on average, more rational than Europeans and Americans?

      Well for starters, Jenny McCarthy is an American...

    7. Re:African parent vs autism by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2

      Spend time in any African country and you realise that the ignorance about medical issues is an inbred thing - I was in South Africa in 2011 and saw lots of billboards all over the country with the Health Ministers image on it and the quote "avoid AIDS, get circumcised". She also held the policy of rejecting antivirals and instead promoted her own diet of garlic and beet root.

      I've seen similar issues in Namibia, Uganda, Kenya, Rwanda and others.

    8. Re:African parent vs autism by Titan1080 · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you think Africa is so great, why not emigrate there? I hear they welcome white people with open arms.

    9. Re:African parent vs autism by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      South Africa is really a sad case: Unlike a lot of postcolonial states, they got damn lucky with Mandela (elsewhere, the number of people who were good freedom-fighters and really, really, shitty autocrats is just alarming); but the ANC basically hasn't had a good idea since then. Mbeki was a stark-raving AIDs denialist (as was his favorite Health Minister Manto Tshabalala-Msimang, and some of his 'outside experts', notably Peter Duesberg and David Rasnick); and, though the overt craziness surrounding AIDs is supposed to be over at present, the quality of governance is still... painfully unimpressive.

      There's a reason why Mandela's health problems have been the object of so much strategic-mourning among ANC figures: basically, their remaining credibility is now bouncing in and out of the hospital on the edge of death...

    10. Re:African parent vs autism by jratcliffe · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was in South Africa in 2011 and saw lots of billboards all over the country with the Health Ministers image on it and the quote "avoid AIDS, get circumcised".

      This is good health policy. "There is compelling evidence that male circumcision reduces the risk of heterosexually acquired HIV infection in men by approximately 60%." - WHO (http://www.who.int/hiv/topics/malecircumcision/en/)

      She also held the policy of rejecting antivirals and instead promoted her own diet of garlic and beet root.

      This is garbage health policy.

    11. Re:African parent vs autism by Eunuchswear · · Score: 2

      Spend time in any African country and you realise that the ignorance about medical issues is an inbred thing - I was in South Africa in 2011 and saw lots of billboards all over the country with the Health Ministers image on it and the quote "avoid AIDS, get circumcised"

      Circumcising African men may cut their risk of catching AIDS in half, the National Institutes of Health said today.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/13/health/13cnd-hiv.html?_r=0

      So, the NIH are a bunch of ignorant Africans now?

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    12. Re:African parent vs autism by Vaphell · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is good health policy. "There is compelling evidence that male circumcision reduces the risk of heterosexually acquired HIV infection in men by approximately 60%." - WHO (http://www.who.int/hiv/topics/malecircumcision/en/)

      bull-fucking-shit. The study 'proving' that is widely criticized for being botched, eg people who got circumsized were also taught some sex ed, while uncircumsized guys were left to their devices.
      Besides, all the benefits vanish if people fuck twice as much and don't bother with rubber because they think they are safe. Hell, down there they still think rubber is not necessary if you can find a virgin or 2.

      Dowsett et al. urged caution over using circumcision as a HIV prevention strategy saying that there were still questions that needed to be answered: "We need to investigate the effects of those other social and contextual factors that will be in play in real world settings – because the effectiveness of male circumcision will not be generated by the efficacy of the surgery alone." He contrasts the preventative effect of circumcision taken from the RCT's (55%) with the preventative effect of condoms (80-90%). He criticises the fact that the trials were not double-blinded - the participants knew their circumcision status and so this could have affected how the men responded behaviourally, psychologically and sexually. He criticised the randomisation measures used in the trial: sexual practices (number of partners, condom use) and sexual health measures (presence of STIs), saying that "Effective measures were not used, and differences related to sexual subjectivity, such as sexual network participation, pleasure preferences, body image, sexual history effects (e.g. abuse), partner preferences (younger, older, peers, groups) and so on were never assessed or analysed." He also asks how the extensive counselling and education might have influenced the participants' sexual activity. He adds that "all participants were subject to regular monitoring (e.g. behaviour surveys, clinical check-ups), which clearly might have enhanced compliance with suggested safety regimes and lowered risk-taking during the follow-up period. Such compliance cannot be guaranteed in real world settings." He also said the trials were subject to the Hawthorne effect.[23]

      not to mention that if you found by chance that circumcision of females cures cancer and solves the problem of world hunger you'd still get feminists and UN screaming bloody murder and how women have a right to bodily autonomy. Cutting dicks by millions? No problem.

    13. Re:African parent vs autism by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      That's only western variety antivax movement though. There are other reasons some people worldwide might be opposed to it. For instance, the good old CIA using it. If people are paranoid about the doctors giving the shot, it's going to have problems. Witness the paranoia about HIV treatments. That IS happening to some degree in Africa.

    14. Re:African parent vs autism by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Not that it's a surprise, the CIA being what it is; but that little trick was crazy unethical on their part. Strictly speaking, though, it didn't seem to have much effect on attitudes about vaccines specifically, just the luckless bastards who have the pleasure of administering them and occasionally getting killed for their trouble.

    15. Re:African parent vs autism by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Yes, because it doesn't stop women becoming infected.

    16. Re:African parent vs autism by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Uninfected men are unable to infect women.

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    17. Re:African parent vs autism by OakDragon · · Score: 2

      They just had to have that "P.O.W.A" acronym.

    18. Re:African parent vs autism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hell, go on a chloroquinine regime to protect yourself from malaria and let me know how you appreciate the side affects. Night terrors, demetia, and a whole lot worse are all yours for the experience! But it'll keep you from malaria, which makes it one hell of a better option. Still, it's amazing to me that in the case of malaria, a vaccine that outright killed 1 in a hundred would still be an order of magnitude better than the mortality of the ongoing disease. What a terrible parasite. Scourge of humanity.

    19. Re:African parent vs autism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well... Most people there will probably know one or more people with malaria... If a few 100k people will die from the vaccine that would be nothing in comparison.

    20. Re:African parent vs autism by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Wrong, uninfected men can carry the virus for several days, and so promiscuous men can infect women without becoming afflicted themselves.

      Which is why "get circumcised" is pathetic advice as a means to avoid HIV, it doesn't even begin to solve the issue.

    21. Re:African parent vs autism by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      So complain about the NIH, not the stupid Africans.

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    22. Re:African parent vs autism by HornWumpus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The entire results of that study can be explained by the fact that recently circumcised men are not going to be fucking at all until they heal.

      They stopped the study when they saw the cut group catching up after healing. Yeah science, no agenda there.

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    23. Re:African parent vs autism by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

      I'm wondering whether this comment is meant to be a racist slur. Namely that Africans don't have as much to fear from autism.

    24. Re:African parent vs autism by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      Specific influential Africans are more rational than specific influential Europeans and Americans.

      Who has killed more children: Robert Mugabe or Jenny McCarthy?

    25. Re:African parent vs autism by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      you either overstate the risks or overstate the population...

  5. Oblig by Smivs · · Score: 2

    Think of the Plasmodium!

  6. Do Away With This Disease? by x_IamSpartacus_x · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's definitely something to be celebrated that we're nearing the mark of a viable vaccine. Unfortunately, the hardest hit areas by Malaria are not places where vaccine distribution is

    Easy
    Affordable by those who need it
    I would love to see this vaccine become a reality but I'm not very hopeful that this would have a price tag that many African nations could afford to give out to their populations for free or, if not free, the pennies the average citizen could afford. Mozambique, where I live and work, is VERY hard hit by Malaria but it's rural areas are very poor and the medicine distribution points in the CITIES struggle to keep vaccines refrigerated and properly handled. There is much development to be done in many of the nations who see high death rates from Malaria before we can use phrases like "allow us to do away with this disease". I do hope to see the disease done away with but let's not assume that with the development of the vaccine that that victory is imminent.

    1. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I thought the whole point of Bill Gates' foundation's attempts to find a vaccine for Malaria was to:

      1. create a vaccine
      2. make lots of it for cheap
      3. find ways to distribute it everywhere as cheap as possible
      4. help distribute it everywhere

      Seems to me that if they keep throwing money at the problems (refrigeration, handling) they will eventually succeed.

    2. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by aurispector · · Score: 1

      Many of the areas hardest hit by malaria are the same areas stricken by endemic poverty, corruption, famine, etc.. There is a long way to go before curing malaria even puts a dent in their problems.

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    3. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The technique has been used before/ old hat on other diseases.
      The multiple transfusions bit is the same as if you got a resistant antibiotics.
      Maybe if tried on multiple horses, we may get antibodies back.
      The unanswered innovation is what got blasted off to make a human respond - or is it radiation blasted different bits off, and one bit
      makes makes a difference. Aids and the Flu have changing 'receptors' - so the real breakthrough will to be to figure out why.

      The sample size is small ;if 12- 24 to 36 statistically better . Lets hope the mosquito does not talk to the cockroach, that has
      inbuilt radiation protection/resistance.

         

    4. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by gaspyy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, Bill Gates was showing a special container that doesn't require electricity and can keep medicine refrigerated for up to 50 days at high outside temperatures.
      The whole point of a malaria vaccine is to make it affordable for poor nations. The demand for a malaria vaccine in rich countries is pretty low.

    5. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In ReGenesis (the Canadian tv show) some guys were developing vaccinations with yeast (could e.g. produce and secrete some viral surface proteins) and the cool part was that you'd just turn this yeast into bread (obviously not quite that easy) and there you have it. Cheap to make, easy to distribute..

    6. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by rally2xs · · Score: 0, Troll

      Maybe the envirowackos will figure out a way to torpedo the vaccine like they did DDT, so's the price goes thru the roof and becomes unaffordable for poor countries such as those in Africa, like they did for DDT. Envirowackos don't care about people, just making the planet safe for plants and animals.

    7. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by CensorshipDonkey · · Score: 1

      It's nice to see a voice of reason in a sea of people who just can't wait to point out all the ways this won't work. Everyone successfully vaccinated is a success story, this isn't a binary effort.

    8. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by starless · · Score: 2

      The demand for a malaria vaccine in rich countries is pretty low.

      Except at very least the rich countries would want to have their military personnel vaccinated, which would be
      a fair number of people.
      e.g. over 2 million active and reserve in the US alone.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces

    9. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Viable vaccine? Hardly. 66% efficacy (as measured by smear negative asymptomatic cases) is hardly an achievement. In fact there have been a number of studies using more sensitive detection techniques that have suggested the existence of a huge pool of asymptomatic carriers that are still likely incubating and spreading the parasite. Plus the "immunity" only lasted a maximum of 18 months. The way it's grown is non-trivial either. Unlike most vaccines which can be grown in tissue culture or in simple bioreactors like eggs, this one has to be grown in and harvested from mosquitoes- an expensive proposition. This "vaccine", if it ever actually reaches the market, is unlikely to make a notable impact except perhaps outside of somewhat reducing the risk for traveler and lining Sanaria's investors' pockets with money from governments and aid agencies that would be better spent expanding diagnostic coverage, subsidizing artemisinin combination therapies and distributing bed nets.

    10. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. Everyone in the world will get this vaccine eventually. It will be part of your standard immunizations as a child.

    11. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Maybe the envirowackos will figure out a way to torpedo the vaccine like they did DDT, so's the price goes thru the roof and becomes unaffordable for poor countries such as those in Africa, like they did for DDT.

      DDT is pretty fucking cheap. When did it's "price go through the roof"?

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    12. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      Many of the areas hardest hit by malaria are the same areas stricken by endemic poverty, corruption, famine, etc.. There is a long way to go before curing malaria even puts a dent in their problems.

      Doesn't mean we shouldn't try - I think people who say this truly don't understand the scope of the Malaria problem.

      Malaria kills 1.2 MILLION people EVERY year. That's like everyone in Dallas dying, every year. Well over half those people are children under the age of five. Sure, democracy and the absence of corruption is necessary eventually - But a mother who is lying next to a cot as her four-year-old dies doesn't give a damn about that stuff, and frankly neither would I.

    13. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      Well, Bill Gates was showing a special container

      I'm sorry, this is Slashdot. If Bill Gates was showing it, obviously it is a container of EVIL.

    14. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by somersault · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't call it a success story unless they also stop people having so many kids out there. Though actually part of the reason they have so many kids is because some end up dying of course..

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    15. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by CensorshipDonkey · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but this is a sick attitude. We have the resources to keep these people alive, any person saved from suffering and death is a success story - full stop.

    16. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Malaria kills 1.2 MILLION people EVERY year. That's like everyone in Dallas dying, every year.

      Not exactly like it. Nobody's happy about people dying due to malaria.

    17. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as an american, I want a malaria vaccination. Malaria is a small but serious issue in the US south. If you travel overseas, it can be a very serious issue.

    18. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by rally2xs · · Score: 1

      DDT is unavailable in the US, which killed the economy of scale for producing it. Only very small amounts are now produced. Producing very small amounts of anything is very expensive, which is what torpedoed wider distribution of it in poorer areas of the earth.

    19. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For distribution, kust need to use Coca cola logistics and the problem is solved.

    20. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by Eunuchswear · · Score: 2

      DDT is unavailable in the US, which killed the economy of scale for producing it. Only very small amounts are now produced. Producing very small amounts of anything is very expensive, which is what torpedoed wider distribution of it in poorer areas of the earth.

      RU sure?

      Cost-comparison of DDT and alternative insecticides for malaria control

      n anti-malaria operations the use of DDT for indoor residual spraying has declined substantially over the past 30years, but this insecticide is still considered valuable for malaria control, mainly because of its low cost relative to alternative insecticides. Despite the development of resistance to DDT in some populations of malaria vector Anopheles mosquitoes (Diptera: Culicidae), DDT remains generally effective when used for house-spraying against most species of Anopheles, due to excitorepellency as well as insecticidal effects. A 1990 cost comparison by the World Health Organization (WHO) found DDT to be considerably less expensive than other insecticides, which cost 2 to 23 times more on the basis of cost per house per 6 months of control. To determine whether such a cost advantage still prevails for DDT, this paper compares recent price quotes from manufacturers and WHO suppliers for DDT and appropriate formulations of nine other insecticides (two carbamates, two organophosphates and five pyrethroids) commonly used for residual house-spraying in malaria control programmes. Based on these 'global' price quotes, detailed calculations show that DDT is still the least expensive insecticide on a cost per house basis, although the price appears to be rising as DDT production declines. At the same time, the prices of pyrethroids are declining, making some only slightly more expensive than DDT at low application dosages. Other costs, including operations (labour), transportation and human safety may also increase the price advantages of DDT and some pyrethroids vs. organophosphates and carbamates, although possible environmental impacts from DDT remain a concern. However, a global cost comparison may not realistically reflect local costs or effective application dosages at the country level. Recent data on insecticide prices paid by the health ministries of individual countries showed that prices of particular insecticides can vary substantially in the open market. Therefore, the most cost-effective insecticide in any given country or region must be determined on a case-by-case basis. Regional coordination of procurement of public health insecticides could improve access to affordable products.

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    21. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by somersault · · Score: 1

      Who is "we"? How do you know you're stopping suffering, rather than actually creating even more starvation due to more mouths to feed? There's a difference between a "sick attitude", being pragmatic, and making things worse because you're so scared of hitting that cute little animal that you then drive your car off the road and kill everyone in the vehicle.

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    22. Re: Do Away With This Disease? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that people like me who will pay a few hundred dollars to get a malaria vaccination will help fund it's manufacture and distribution to the people who can't afford it.

    23. Re: Do Away With This Disease? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      Sure. Just like yellow fever right?

    24. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      Malaria kills 1.2 MILLION people EVERY year. That's like everyone in Dallas dying, every year.

      You say that like killing off Dallas is a bad thing. Can we take out North Carolina and Florida as well?

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    25. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Seriously? I hate the cowgirls as much as anyone, but I still wouldn't wish death on the whole city. (Don't ask about the Redskins...)

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    26. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obvious troll is obvious...

    27. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh, replied to wrong comment.. troll comment was for rally2xs's comment below.

    28. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good show, some interesting plots, likeable cast, but taking frequent 'shortcuts' with lab stuff. Still, the yeast-bread thing was neat, as you say. Thanks for remembering that.

    29. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, if Gates' foundation can beat Malaria, he should get a Nobel prize, a sainthood, a world-wide annual holiday in his honour, and his face carved on Mt Rushmore.

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    30. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by spune · · Score: 1

      The Gates' Foundation plan in full:

      1. Open new clinics to operate on an unsustainable and inhumane for-profit basis without investigating medical history of personnel
      2. Fail to pay to keep them open such that market forces and competition result in a net loss of clinics in target countries
      3. Pay off a bunch of politicians to protect clinic policy, furthermore pay more politicians to expand privatization and austerity across the board
      4. Get a vaccine from somewhere
      5. Make lots of it for cheap
      6. Sell it at transient new for-profit clinics and don't care if untrained business-owners botch its administration
      7. Be hailed as the new jesus christ after PR 'news' articles fail to mention any shortcomings

    31. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "The demand for a malaria vaccine in rich countries is pretty low."

      Won't somebody think of the tourists? (weeps)

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    32. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      "Envirowackos?" Son, you're ignorant and either too young to know how fucking filthy the US air and water was before the EPA, or you're the CEO of a heavily polluting industry... ooops, "thru?" Nope, you never attended college and are very obviously young and may not have even gotten out of high school yet.

      Either that or you're batshit insane. DDT doesn't harm humans but it almost made many bird species extinct, uncluding our national symbol, the bald eagle -- which is finally coming back after we got rid of DDT.

      There is no way environmentalists will object to this vaccine. I suggest you do a little reading, and I don't mean Ayn Rand.

    33. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by coolmoose25 · · Score: 1

      Actually, you could give the Nobel prize to Gates now, even before the vaccine is finished. Obama got a Nobel Prize before he did ANYTHING. Gates at least has many significant accomplishments to point to in his post Microsoft career, regardless of how you feel about his Microsoft accomplishments.

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    34. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by rally2xs · · Score: 1

      Eagles are cool and all, but at the expense of millions of dead humans? Yeah, I know they're mostly black, but still... I figured even the envirowackos were better than that. Maybe not.

      As for the air being filthy, yeah, it was. But that's no excuse for attempting to make it laboratory pure at ridiculous expense, either.

      As for the envirowackos objecting to the vaccine, they seem to find some way to object to almost everything. Hell, they object to our efforts to produce cheap energy, the lack of which has been throwing Americans into poverty for several decades, along with some other factors like the income taxes chasing jobs overseas and cross-border. Poverty will take 6 1/2 years off a person's life, and if it is experienced as a child, the years become unrecoverable. But their opposition to things like the XL Pipeline is insane - we need the oil, the world needs the oil, the more oil there is the lower the world price goes, and the worst that could happen is an oil spill. How many people die in an average oil spill? Zero. That's not like the Canadian train carrying tank cars of crude oil that broke away, rolled into a town with a curve in the tracks too fast, derailed, and killed a bunch of people. You can lay those deaths at the feet of the envirowackos, too, since if there had been a pipeline carrying that oil, it would, at worst, sprung a leak and made the ground all black and gooey in an isolated area, but we'd have just cleaned it up, patched the pipe, and continued without anyone dying. Do I hate envirowackos? Absolutely. They bring us unnecessary human suffering. They don't know the word, "moderation."

    35. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Aha, some numbers.

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2801202/

      DDT is mostly made in India. and China.

      India produces around 4500 metric tonnes a year. China makes similar amounts, but uses most of it "in the production of Dicofol, an acaricide"

      An estimated 5,000 metric tons of DDT (active ingredient) was used for disease vector control in 2005. The primary use is for malaria control, but approximately 1,000 metric tons/year (20% of global consumption) is used for control of visceral leishmaniasis restricted to India.

      Your worries about the price due to the lack of a US market seem to be unconfirmed.

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    36. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Eagles are cool and all, but at the expense of millions of dead humans?

      You have no moral qualms against mass extinction?

      As for the air being filthy, yeah, it was. But that's no excuse for attempting to make it laboratory pure at ridiculous expense, either.

      "Laboratory pure"?? No, simply breathable. I grew up two miles from a Monsanto plant. You could not drive past it with the windows down because the air burned your lungs. How many human lives were cut short by that? You talk about the loss of human life, my uncle died at age 60 after working at a garbage incinerator for thirty years, my dad is 82 and his other two brothers were in their eighties.

      Yes, clean air is certainly worth "ridiculous expense" especially when those who have to pay for the cleanup made obscene amounts of money with their filthy activities.

      Poverty will take 6 1/2 years off a person's life

      So my grandmother, who was poor all her life, would have lived to 106 instead of 99?

      But their opposition to things like the XL Pipeline is insane - we need the oil

      The US will be exporting more oil than importing by 2016. We don't need to ruin virgin environments for it.

      How many people die in an average oil spill?

      How many people died when the BP rig blew up? How many lives were ruined? That train accident was from human error. Human error happens.

      Do I hate envirowackos? Absolutely. They bring us unnecessary human suffering.

      On the contrary, the polluters themselves cause death and suffering. Even if there had been a pipeline that trainload of fuel would have still been rolling. How many years will be cut from my life because of breathing Monsanto air as a child? Today, thanks to "envirowackos" pushing Congress and Nixon to pass the Clean Air Act, the worse you smell driving past it is maybe a whiff of bleach.

      They don't know the word, "moderation."

      Says the guy who drives a giant six passenger pickup truck to his desk job. You think corporations know about moderation?

      You're a fool.

    37. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by rally2xs · · Score: 1

      >>Eagles are cool and all, but at the expense of millions of dead humans?

      >You have no moral qualms against mass extinction?

      We are in a die-off right now, many species are going extinct. Eagles would have just been another. Meanwhile, you simply don't know any person that died from malaria. If you were a member of a small African village and were continually losing friends and relatives to malaria, you would hate you for your bird infatuation.

      >>As for the air being filthy, yeah, it was. But that's no excuse for attempting to make it laboratory pure at ridiculous expense, either.

      >"Laboratory pure"?? No, simply breathable. I grew up two miles from a Monsanto plant. You could not drive past it with the windows down because the air burned your lungs. How many human lives were cut short by that? You talk about the loss of human life, my uncle died at age 60 after working at a garbage incinerator for thirty years, my dad is 82 and his other two brothers were in their eighties.

      No, laboratory pure. The current "thing" by the president is to shut down many coal-fueled power plants. That will, supposedly, according to a letter to the editor locally by another zealot who is a pulmonary doctor, save 2500 lives of people with asthma. OK, I expect he's correct, and don't remember if that is "per year" but we'll assume it is. So, how many years of life do these people lose compared to the coal miners that were forced into poverty and the people who need electricity having to buy it at a higher price now? This stuff isn't free, you're going to pay a price in human suffering every time you make something more expensive, ban something, or mess with the capitalistic model that naturally attempts to make the biggest profit, which in turn attempts to make things the cheapest possible so that they can sell more of it and make more $$$. IOW, the gov't, as a whole, is a destroyer of "cheap", every time. But, getting back to "laboratory pure", NOBODY is going to have their lungs burned by what's coming out of power plants nowadays, its just envirowacko zealots attempting to get that last 0.000001% of something that will cost $$$ which in turn costs lives.

      >Yes, clean air is certainly worth "ridiculous expense" especially when those who have to pay for the cleanup made obscene amounts of money with their filthy activities.

      No, it is not. "Ridiculously expensive" causes poverty which costs lives.

      >>Poverty will take 6 1/2 years off a person's life

      >So my grandmother, who was poor all her life, would have lived to 106 instead of 99?

      Maybe. Its more like some poor (out of work) schmuck catching pneumonia while living on the streets and dying at age 38, tho.

      >>But their opposition to things like the XL Pipeline is insane - we need the oil

      >The US will be exporting more oil than importing by 2016. We don't need to ruin virgin environments for it.

      Both irrelevant statements, as exporting oil is a good thing, it does great stuff for the balance of trade which is currently a threat to our economy, and there are no virgin environments.

      >>How many people die in an average oil spill?

      >How many people died when the BP rig blew up? How many lives were ruined? That train accident was from human error. Human error happens.

      Of course the train was human error, but with pipelines, there is less humans involved to make errors. That's why pipelines are preferable to trucking or (railing?) the oil about. The oil is going to move, you ain't gonna stop it, and the choice is to do it safer or not. As usual, envirowackos don't give a F about people, just "the environment."

      >>Do I hate envirowackos? Absolutely. They bring us unnecessary human suffering.

      >On the contrary, the polluters themselves cause death and suffering. Even if there had been a pipeline that trainload of fuel would have still been rolling.

      Totally untrue. Moving by rail is more expensive than by pi

    38. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by rally2xs · · Score: 1

      >Your worries about the price due to the lack of a US market seem to be unconfirmed.

      People can make statistics support whatever position they want to, and none of those are in the least bit relevant. The facts are that if DDT were being made in quantities sufficient for protecting the millions of acres of US farmland, it would be even cheaper via economy of scale. The claim that it is "cheap" now is not relevant, since it could be cheaper still. There will always be a money limit to the usage of anything in poor countries, which may or may not include India and China now, but definitely includes Africa, and therefore cheaper DDT will result in fewer dead Africans.

      And, once again, radical environmentalism kills.

    39. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      We are in a die-off right now, many species are going extinct. Eagles would have just been another.

      We are indeed in a mass extinction event, and it's man-made. You're for continuing to drive species to extinction.

      No, laboratory pure. The current "thing" by the president is to shut down many coal-fueled power plants.

      Shutting down coal-fired plants won't make the air "lab-pure", and I agree that as many as possible should be shut down. The city-owned power company has both old coal and newer natural gas generators, and they rarely use the coal-fired one because natural gas is so cheap right now. Gas is a whole lot better than coal. Save the coal for blacksmithing.

      So, how many years of life do these people lose compared to the coal miners that were forced into poverty and the people who need electricity having to buy it at a higher price now?

      Forced into poverty? No, lifted out of poverty.

      But later, members of this tightly-knit West Virginia community said Athey's close call and the tragedy that has re-exposed the dangers of coal mining doesn't detract from the allure of a profession that is beloved here.

      Athey, a 34 year-old father of four who has only donned a miner's helmet for two years, says he plans to return to work in a mine as soon as possible.

      "It's the only thing I know how to do," he said. "I don't read and write."
      ---
        "You can come right out of high school and make $70,000 a year," said Missy Perdue, 22, a stay-at-home mother whose husband, Jeff Perdue, Jr., 22, is a miner.

      April Athey, 28, also says she appreciates her husband's salary, despite the risks of mining, so that she can stay at home and raise the couple's four kids, including one-year-old twins.

      And that's clean enough.

      Yes, I agree. The air is pretty clean most places today and I don't want to go back.

      You're a fool.

      That's another thing I hate about envirowackos, they're rude.

      I apologize for my bluntness, but that's my opinion based on what you've written. You are full of misconceptions.

    40. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Actually, yeah. Last I heard, the prep routine for a vacation in sub-Saharan Africa involved two weeks of vaccinations for diseases we stay-at-home Americans never heard of, and a suitcase full of drugs to take while you're there, to fend off the wide array of bacteria, fungi, parasites, and other pests, some fatal, some not.

      [Maybe someone who's actually had the treatment could be more specific.]

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    41. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by rally2xs · · Score: 1

      >>We are in a die-off right now, many species are going extinct. Eagles would have just been another.

      >We are indeed in a mass extinction event, and it's man-made. You're for continuing to drive species to extinction.

      It is NOT man-made. It is natural. The do-do died off decades ago, and man had nothing to do with it. Its been going on a really long time. You can find all manner of critters just about everywhere you look that are on the verge of extinction.

      >>No, laboratory pure. The current "thing" by the president is to shut down many coal-fueled power plants.

      >Shutting down coal-fired plants won't make the air "lab-pure", and I agree that as many as possible should be shut down. The city-owned power company has both old coal and newer natural gas generators, and they rarely use the coal-fired one because natural gas is so cheap right now. Gas is a whole lot better than coal. Save the coal for blacksmithing.

      Sure, and then the jobs associated with the coal-fired plants, and the cheaper electricity of the coal-fired plants are both lost, causing human suffering. As I said, the envirowackos don't give a F about how many they kill with their "clean air" and "clean water" zealotry.

      >>So, how many years of life do these people lose compared to the coal miners that were forced into poverty and the people who need electricity having to buy it at a higher price now?

      >Forced into poverty? No, lifted out of poverty. [go.com]

      Forced into poverty. I was driving thru W. Va. last summer when the local radio stations were announcing the layoffs of 1200 coal miners. There ain't much else to do around W. Va, and the average coal miner is not into the few remaining economic endeavors that the rest of the country is attempting to survive on - burger flipping, stock trading, and suing each other. I'm sure many of these people are still in poverty.

      >But later, members of this tightly-knit West Virginia community said Athey's close call and the tragedy that has re-exposed the dangers of coal mining doesn't detract from the allure of a profession that is beloved here.

      ?Athey, a 34 year-old father of four who has only donned a miner's helmet for two years, says he plans to return to work in a mine as soon as possible.

      >"It's the only thing I know how to do," he said. "I don't read and write."
      ---
      >"You can come right out of high school and make $70,000 a year," said Missy Perdue, 22, a stay-at-home mother whose husband, Jeff Perdue, Jr., 22, is a miner.

      >April Athey, 28, also says she appreciates her husband's salary, despite the risks of mining, so that she can stay at home and raise the couple's four kids, including one-year-old twins.

      That's the way it should be. And there are lots of dangerous jobs - logging, fishing, firefighter, cop, etc. Mining is just another. If we could get our manufacturing base back, there would be lots of less-dangerous jobs that pay a lot more, too, but envirowackos don't want factories, either. Envirowackos don't give a F about people.

      >>And that's clean enough.

      >Yes, I agree. The air is pretty clean most places today and I don't want to go back.

      Yet, envirowackos are all about spending even more and more and more (of YOUR) money to get the last 0.0000001% of some pollutant out of something. They will ruin the country.

      >>>You're a fool.

      >>That's another thing I hate about envirowackos, they're rude.

      >I apologize for my bluntness, but that's my opinion based on what you've written. You are full of misconceptions.

      And I think you're a zealot that wants what he wants whether it actually serves man or simply makes a needle on a sensitive instrument move, or fail to move. The objective of a REAL scientist ought to be to improve the human condition, but that is not what you're concerned with. You seem to be concerned about simply spending more $$$ on "the environment" as if doing somethi

    42. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      It is NOT man-made. It is natural.

      Sigh. This conversation is pointless, get your education elsewhere.

    43. Re:Do Away With This Disease? by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      People can make statistics support whatever position they want to, and none of those are in the least bit relevant. The facts are that if DDT were being made in quantities sufficient for protecting the millions of acres of US farmland, it would be even cheaper via economy of scale.

      "Facts don't matter, my poor understanding of economic theory trumps all".

      In 1971 the US used 14 million pounds of DDT, around 6340 tonnes, i.e around 2/3 of current world production. Where's the economy of scale?

      Use had been higher in the '60s, up to 27 million pounds in 1966, but that is only 12000 tonnes, about 33% more than current production. Is that enough to produce massive economies of scale?

      Source: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp35-c5.pdf

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  7. Prevention and/or cure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All the information I could find seems a bit vague, are we talking about prevention and/or cure?

    1. Re:Prevention and/or cure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prevention.

  8. No BSOD with this one please Bill. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and I'll forgive you for WIndows ME and VIsta

  9. I guess it's fun by korbulon · · Score: 1, Funny

    Because you shoot people in the arm.

    But it's not an area that I'll be putting money into.

  10. Re:Woo by khallow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those people can also work to prevent that malnourishment just like they do in the developed world. Keep in mind that malaria doesn't just kill people, it also cripples people. If you're suffering from a bout of malaria, you're not helping feed your family.

  11. Early days yet by dtmos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Having a vaccine that must be injected intravenously (not just intramuscularly), five times, in order to be effective is an interesting scientific advance (as stated in TFA), but isn't what one would call a practical solution to the malaria problem in the underdeveloped world (also as stated in TFA). Also keep in mind that many other proposed vaccines have looked good initially, but failed to pass muster later on, and that this trial was very, very small:

    Researchers reported that the six volunteers who received five intravenous doses of the vaccine did not contract malaria when exposed to the microscopic parasite. Of the nine who received four doses, three contracted the disease. Of 12 who received no vaccine, 11 became infected.

    It's a big stretch to go from six protected individuals to hundreds of millions, so I suggest that the champagne for the "End of Malaria" party not be put on ice just yet. While it is an interesting result, I think someone describing the status of the malaria vaccine as "nearing reality" isn't a very good judge of distance.

    1. Re:Early days yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      who the hell volunteers to be infected by Malaria?

    2. Re:Early days yet by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      I was wondering this too.

    3. Re:Early days yet by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      who the hell volunteers to be infected by Malaria?

      Heros. Not cape-wearing crime-fighting heros like you find in comic books, but real heros that put themselves in danger to advance mankind. When you meet the uneducated African sustenance farmer who volunteered to be exposed to Malaria, you should treat his as you would treat Cook, or Armstrong, or Bouazizi

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    4. Re:Early days yet by jittles · · Score: 2

      Having a vaccine that must be injected intravenously (not just intramuscularly), five times, in order to be effective is an interesting scientific advance (as stated in TFA), but isn't what one would call a practical solution to the malaria problem in the underdeveloped world (also as stated in TFA). Also keep in mind that many other proposed vaccines have looked good initially, but failed to pass muster later on, and that this trial was very, very small:

      I got bit by a dog as a child. They could not find the animal and, due to the nature of the attack, there was concern that it may be rabid. I had to have 7 rabies shots over the course of about 5 weeks. Yes they were intramuscular, but it was worth every shot to not succumb to rabies. Something is better than nothing.

    5. Re:Early days yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember too, that though malaria reserves a special place in it's heart for killing humans, it, strickly speaking, doesn't need human hosts *ever* to continue on quite happily. Even if a successful malaria vaccine becomes quite widespread, there's little guarantee that after 25~50 years the parasite won't find a way to mutate and go back to it's killing/maiming ways. Malaria isn't like polio, or smallpox, where if you eliminate most/all of the suseptible population, the disease begins to starve out and disappear. Malaria will just go on living in rats, or chimps, or dogs, or whatever host it feels like until it figures out how to overcome our wundercure.

    6. Re:Early days yet by khallow · · Score: 1

      Even if a successful malaria vaccine becomes quite widespread, there's little guarantee that after 25~50 years the parasite won't find a way to mutate and go back to it's killing/maiming ways.

      That sounds like a pretty good deal. We can always come up with new vaccines. And at some point, our technology is going to advance to the point where we can take it out in the wild.

    7. Re:Early days yet by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I expect these were paid 'volunteers' much as are many medical trials in the U.S. And the farmer probably thereby made more cash than he'd see the whole rest of the year. Not to denigrate the sacrifice, tho, as I'm sure at least some, even if otherwise uneducated, are sharp enough to recognise the potential benefits if the vaccine comes to fruition. Foot soldiers win wars too.

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  12. Don't eliminate malaria, eliminate mosquitos! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get rid of those little bastards and a mess of diseases lose their transmission vector. West nile, dengue fever, yellow fever, etc...

    Plus, the forests of North America get a lot more bearable in the summertime.

     

  13. Radiation, not recoding? by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 3, Interesting
    From TFA: "The samples were weakened by radiation and then frozen."

    It was five years ago I read about this, where they weakened a virus by actually re-coding in with the 'most pessimal' version of its genome. Same proteins, but reproduces three orders of magnitude slower.

    And I haven't heard anything since. Does anyone know what's been going on with that? I suppose re-coding a whole single-celled organism might be more difficult/expensive than a virus, but still... the problem with point-mutations weaking a disease is that point-mutations can be reversed. Eventually someone's going to get sick from the vaccine itself. (Still, if the vaccine's effective it's a better bet, but if you can eliminate that chance...)

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    1. Re:Radiation, not recoding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was five years ago I read about this, where they weakened a virus by actually re-coding in with the 'most pessimal' version of its genome. Same proteins, but reproduces three orders of magnitude slower.

      And I haven't heard anything since. Does anyone know what's been going on with that?

      They're still working on it.

    2. Re:Radiation, not recoding? by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 1

      Thanks! Just the kind of info I was hoping for.

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  14. why don't they by rossdee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    why don't they instead find a way to get rid of the fscking mosquitoes ?

    Malaria isn't the only disease spread by them, athough it might be the biggest killer
    and they affect many other parts of the world besides Africa.

    1. Re:why don't they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because then you're just yanking a Jenga block out of the middle of the food chain.

    2. Re:why don't they by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      They're doing both. The Gates Foundation also funds Nathan Myhrvold's company which is developing a laser-based system that shoots down mosquitoes (a must-see video, by the way, FF to the end for actual video of the system at work). They've spent $ 2 Billion so far.

    3. Re:why don't they by wiredog · · Score: 1, Troll

      They did. DDT works wonders for getting rid of mosquitos.

      Also birds, fish, beneficial insects, etc.

    4. Re:why don't they by jsepeta · · Score: 1

      but only rich Americans can afford Mosquito Lasers.

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    5. Re:why don't they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how do you shoot down lots of free flying mosquitoes with lasers without blinding people?

    6. Re:why don't they by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

      Now, if only they'd stop making patent trolling using shell companies (e.g. Lodsys, a shell company of Intellectual Ventures, which has attacked hundreds, if not thousands, of app developers for using in-app payments) their primary business, I might actually like Intellectual Ventures.

    7. Re:why don't they by Megane · · Score: 1

      DDT is the only way to get rid of them? The birds, fish, etc. were having problems because of the DDT itself getting into the environment and food chain. If the mosquitoes can be made to simply disappear, there is no food chain problem. So unless you can name a species that exclusive eats mosquitoes, you're talking crap.

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    8. Re:why don't they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ditto for the neonicotinoids that you may remember from recent news about dying bees.
      No bees = no fruits & no birds = no food for many animals, including us.

    9. Re:why don't they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what the $ 2 Billion is for...

      to pay for the eye surgeries.

    10. Re:why don't they by compro01 · · Score: 2

      There's work being done on that actually. The idea is to only eliminate the specific species of mosquitoes that are disease vectors (e.g. Malaria is only transmitted by about 100 species in the genus Anopheles), which are a distinct minority of mosquito species, and the other species would be able to pick up the ecological slack.

      I believe the currently proposed method is to create and release large numbers of sterile males of the relevant species to cut down their reproduction rate.

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    11. Re:why don't they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Careful targeting. Done and done, some years back when the basic system was invented. If you can find it, the original story was interesting to say the least.

    12. Re:why don't they by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      i love mixed metaphors. a chain of Jenga blocks :)

    13. Re:why don't they by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Actually, that was well underway before Rachel Carson's book Silent Spring managed to get DDT banned pretty much worldwide.... based less on scientific evidence of harm than her personal crusade. (And yes, I've read it.)

      And to control mosquitoes, you don't have to spray all over hell. You just need to spray the walls indoors, where mosquitoes tend to land.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Spring#Criticism

      Mosquito control is unlikely to ever be 100%, tho. I live in an area with very effective mosquito control (very few of the damned things around even tho this is river-bottom country) yet earlier this week I came down with West Nile, from a single bite (mosquitoes are few enough that every bite is noticed). So, yeah, vaccine is a good auxilary control approach, even if you have effective vector control.

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  15. Are you happy now, Bill? by wynterwynd · · Score: 2

    Now that malaria is on its way out, can Google float its Wi-Fi balloons without taking any more shit from you?

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  16. Could a 100% effective vaccine eradicate malaria? by starless · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My attempts at googling the answer to this have not been successful, so I ask here... (crazy, I know).
    Anyway, if there was a ~100% effective vaccine taken by almost everyone, would that eradicate malaria itself, or
    could the malaria parasite continue to exist?
    i.e. are humans a vital part of the life cycle of the malaria-causing parasites?

    Thanks!

  17. Most Africans are pretty sensible people by sjbe · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why not? Do you feel that Africans are, on average, more rational than Europeans and Americans?

    No but your average European or American is generally pretty rational. Furthermore malaria is an obvious enough problem in Africa that the risks of any side effect (real or imagined) will be very minor by comparison if the vaccine actually works. In some places in Africa the CDC reports that malaria accounts for close to half of all hospital admissions. It kills 600,000 people a year and sickens millions more. It's almost impossible to overstate how beneficial a cure for malaria would be to affected populations. I've seen some snarky comments in this thread but Africans mostly understand the problem quite well. Certainly better than most of the people posting here since I doubt more than a handful of slashdotters have actually observed the effects of malaria first hand.

    1. Re:Most Africans are pretty sensible people by jsepeta · · Score: 0

      It's not Christians who believe that women require genital mutilation. But Muslims, predominately in Africa, see this as a good thing. Assholes.

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    2. Re:Most Africans are pretty sensible people by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually it is a tribal thing, it has nothing to do with religion.

      If you are trying to hold up people who believe a 2000 year old jew is the son of god and he magically came back to life 3 days after his execution as rational I am afraid I simply can't agree.

    3. Re:Most Africans are pretty sensible people by buchner.johannes · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It should also be a concern for e.g. Europeans.
      The alpine latitudes are becoming more Mediterranean. Just this year, we are having a heat wave breaking records. It can be expected that African diseases will spread north-bound due to climate change.
      Last year, the first mosquito with Malaria was found in Austria. In Greece, the winter was so warm that the population of mosquitoes survived -- a problematic novelty.
      The costs of climate change are high.

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    4. Re:Most Africans are pretty sensible people by Noughmad · · Score: 1

      your average European or American is generally pretty rational.

      Then why does the average American support TSA and why is the average European against nuclear energy?

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    5. Re:Most Africans are pretty sensible people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      No, Americans just believe in male genital mutilation.

      In fact, this is such an extreme knee-jerk rage topic for them that the very existence of somebody who even calls it that causes a explosion of hissy fits in them that will probably cause this comment to be downmodded into oblivion.

      Been there. Many times.

      And they call the Africans savages...

    6. Re:Most Africans are pretty sensible people by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So now Africa will have 600,000 more people a year to feed, house, and clothe, and they can't even do that now. Yay?

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    7. Re:Most Africans are pretty sensible people by Seumas · · Score: 1

      Ssshhh. Don't interrupt while the internet is busy generalizing an entire continent.

      Malaria is one of those basic things that it is a shame we haven't defeated long ago and will be on-par with efforts for clean water in so far as saving enormous populations of people. My aunt was a medical missionary -- running and teaching in several nursing hospitals -- across Zambia, Kenya, and Zimbabwe for twenty years. She contracted malaria about thirty years ago and though otherwise healthy, has had to be on blood pressure medication almost ever since as a result (though I don't believe long-term effects generally come from malaria).

      Snuffing the predominance of malaria occurring on the African continent could have an almost unfathomable positive impact. This seems like a Norma Borlaug scale accomplishment.

    8. Re:Most Africans are pretty sensible people by Seumas · · Score: 1

      Yeah, assholes! You should just stay home and pray your children's illness away you neanderthals!

      *eyeroll*

    9. Re: Most Africans are pretty sensible people by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      True. Jews and most Christians believe in male genital mutilation.

    10. Re:Most Africans are pretty sensible people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not Christians who believe that women require genital mutilation.

      It's a great many american christians that believe male infants need genital mutilation while the vast majority of the world gets by just fine intact.

    11. Re:Most Africans are pretty sensible people by default+luser · · Score: 2

      So now Africa will have 600,000 more people a year to feed, house, and clothe, and they can't even do that now. Yay?

      It's a step in the right direction.

      Malaria is a major problem preventing the people of the third world from improving themselves. When there are so many things in your daily life that can kill you that are beyond your control, you tend to not pay much heed to the system surrounding you (the part you CAN control). Dictatorships are allowed to strangle populations and steal supplies, and nobody cares enough to act because they're dying (or close to dying). People only tend to take the world aroud them into accout when they have their own problems settled, and that's why it's essential that diseases like Malaria be removed from that long list of hardships.

      Additionally, Malaria infects far more people than it kills every year, and those millions that survive are still affected. The cost to farmers sick during the growing season can be phenomenal. Then you also have to account for the cost of that treatment every time a person gets sick. Then there are longer-term hits to society like the lingering disabilities from cases of Cerebral Malaria, which can affect over 500k people a year.

      Once we can tackle the elephant in the room, we can worry about feeding the people, and fixing the system that has let them down. Also, if those economic effects are accurate for farmers, this could make the DIFFERENCE between people starving and eating.

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    12. Re:Most Africans are pretty sensible people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I fail to see how removal of the foreskin on a male equates at all to the complete removal of the clitoris.

      If you somehow think they're the same, I suggest you consult a good anatomy chart or get in therapy with a competent shrink, whichever your state of mind requires - ignorance in the case of the former, gross perceptual distortion in the latter.

      But I may have missed your thrust, in which case my apologies and forward the foregoing to whom it applies.

      I abhor the kind of thinking - non-thinking, really - that somehow can rail against male circumcision yet manage to see clitorectomy as female circumcision and thus somehow fitting into a cultural-multiplicity worldview. So-called "female circumcision" as practised if applied to males would require at least the removal of the glans.

    13. Re:Most Africans are pretty sensible people by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      Look, the fact is that Africa (and the entire globe) is overpopulated. Curing diseases just makes the problem worse. What we really need is a pan-global epidemic that reduces the human population from 7.5 billion to around 500 million. That number is sustainable. It would be great if said disease strikes at the developed world first, but we can't hope for it. We can only anticipate that MERS makes the jump from local infection to global plague during the Hajj. Otherwise we as a planet are screwed.

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    14. Re:Most Africans are pretty sensible people by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      What we really need is a pan-global epidemic

      In order to make sure it will work well we should first test the pathogen. May I sign you up as a test subject?

    15. Re:Most Africans are pretty sensible people by oreiasecaman · · Score: 1

      So you are advocating genocide. Would you care to be among the 90%+ that would die off?
      Stupid troll.

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    16. Re:Most Africans are pretty sensible people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, you can always help pave the way and kill yourself. Oh, let me guess...you assume that you would be one of the lucky few to survive said epidemic and go on about your life right?

      Go die in a fire

    17. Re:Most Africans are pretty sensible people by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      0 - insightful.

      makes sense :)

      and yeah, circumcision is just a way of saying "i don't trust you enough to keep your dick clean without help".

    18. Re:Most Africans are pretty sensible people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't believe the GP was intending for there to be a "competition" between *average* damage from MGM vs. FGM (male genital mutilation vs. female genital mutilation). The fact remains that the foreskin has a large proportion of the total pleasurable nerve endings in the penis, and so there is a large amount of damage regardless of how "well" the mutilation goes. Then there is the issue of some cases of MGM resulting in *death* and others in *loss of glans or penis*. The typical response is that that is not supposed to happen. Well, it does, and so do *many* other, more common forms of extra damage, and tell me how it being unintentional matters when the act was non-consenting, pointless, and significantly damaging even in the best case scenario? And of course it really doesn't matter if it went "well", either, as there is still serious damage from that. All non-consenting genital mutilation not done for *serious* medical reasons should be treated as barbarism. Yes, that definitely includes FGM as well. No one of sound mind and character should support non-consenting genital mutilation of any sort for anything but *serious* medical reasons (which of course don't exist in over 99% of the cases of non-consenting genital mutilation performed around the world today).

      Here is someone speaking about this issue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxhJXw0I4EA

    19. Re:Most Africans are pretty sensible people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. You fail.

      1. They don't remove the clitoris. They remove the clitoris' foreskin. Aka the labia.
      2. If you could remember life with a foreskin, and then got it cut off, you'd know you lose most of your sensitivity down there and can never have a full real orgasm ever again. But you and everyone around you never had one. So you think it's "normal" to *need* lotion to fap! Or that you could wipe it off with kitchen paper towels... that stuff is way too rough for a penis head with normal sensitivity! Especially after orgasm!

    20. Re:Most Africans are pretty sensible people by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Bah, like that's news, or anything to do with climate. More like the greater movement of people. -- Earlier this week I came down with West Nile, from a mosquito bite -- in southwestern Montana, which is having a ridiculously cold and wet summer. We knew WNV was in Boise, Idaho... hadn't heard about it here yet. Well, it's here.

      [Fortunately, I had a mild case, but identifiable. Per Mayo Clinic, most people never even know they had it.]

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    21. Re:Most Africans are pretty sensible people by jc42 · · Score: 1

      your average European or American is generally pretty rational.

      Then why does the average American support TSA and why is the average European against nuclear energy?

      Note that "pretty rational" isn't exactly what you'd call a precise estimate. As a number, "pretty" basically means whatever the speaker/writer wanted it to mean (while probably hoping that most readers would misread it as "many" ;-).

      If you assign to "pretty" the meaning "50th percentile", you might get a better feel for what the writer might have meant by the claim of "generally pretty rational" in the EU/US populations.

      As George Carlin put it: "Think about the average person, how stupid they are, and realize that half of the people are stupider than that". And there's the old mass-media explanation that their material is usually written so the people at the 5th- or 10th-percentile in intelligence can understand it.

      Sometimes it seems that the /. crowd has adopted the same approach ...

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  18. Mosquitos are food. by hoboroadie · · Score: 1

    The forests of North America are missing some birds...
    Think again.

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    1. Re:Mosquitos are food. by CensorshipDonkey · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but here in North Carolina we still have a shit-ton of mosquitoes.

    2. Re:Mosquitos are food. by Megane · · Score: 1

      So exactly which birds are you referring to that live on a diet of nothing but mosquitoes, and would go extinct without them? It's not like other bugs can't increase their numbers to fill the niche.

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    3. Re: Mosquitos are food. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pesticides can kill birds.

    4. Re:Mosquitos are food. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The DDT that you'd use to control mosquito numbers apparently prevents birds from breeding successfully. (Interferes with the egg shell production biology.)

    5. Re:Mosquitos are food. by Megane · · Score: 1

      Apparently? You don't know? They have to get the DDT somehow, and it's not from eating mosquitoes, it's from the stuff getting into everything from being sprayed all over the fucking place like they loved to do with everything back in the mid 20th century. Hell, they even thought radiation was good for you in the early 20th century, here have some yummy radium water!

      What I've heard is that all you need to do in the third world is spray the insides of huts, and you'll kill the mosquitoes without DDT entering the food chain. But we have to over-react and never ever ever ever use it again, even if there is a safe way to use it, just because it can be abused. And when it was abused, it caused problems in a photogenic way, and what better way for a journalist to feel warm and fuzzy inside than to pull heartstrings with pictures of dead birds killed by these cheeeemicals made by eeeevil corporations?

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  19. Population Problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know that everyone thinks this is a great idea and all, and it's nice to have less suffering in the world, but we are slowly removing more and more of the things that keep the human population in check. We already have a population issue - this is just going to make it even worse over time.

    Can these vaccines come with a chemical castration component as well?

    1. Re:Population Problems by Alejux · · Score: 2

      So you think a good way to control the population is to let a bunch of poor people die from a horrible disease? Including children? For f*** sake, please help the population control and kill yourself.

    2. Re:Population Problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know that everyone thinks this is a great idea and all, and it's nice to have less suffering in the world, but we are slowly removing more and more of the things that keep the human population in check. We already have a population issue - this is just going to make it even worse over time.

      Contraception is a more humane solution to that. For example condoms should be cheap enough to distribute them everywhere.

      *grabs more crackers from the paper bag and continues to feed the troll*

    3. Re:Population Problems by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      I know that everyone thinks this is a great idea and all, and it's nice to have less suffering in the world, but we are slowly removing more and more of the things that keep the human population in check

      You wanna keep the human population in check? Howzabout the USA institute a nickel tax on cheeseburgers and use the money to distribute millions of condoms to Africa. That way no five year old has to suffer and die in fear.

    4. Re:Population Problems by codepunk · · Score: 1

      A much better idea is to tax children and I mean heavily as in thousands per year.

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    5. Re: Population Problems by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Because that doesn't work.

      The only effective way we've found to decrease population growth is to educate people, especially women. Not sex ed, regular education. A big problem with education in malarial areas is that people miss a lot of school because they're sick, and many children you've spent time teaching die before growing up and having an effect on society.

      So institute a nickel tax, but use it to make and distribute vaccines, and build schools.

  20. Paul Ehrlich, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where are the population control people on this one? [crickets, katydids, frogs] Since the greatest percentage of malaria victims are in Sub-Saharan Africa, any talk about the issue is already pre-charged with the "R" word.

    1. Re:Paul Ehrlich, anyone? by jsepeta · · Score: 1

      when there are too many people for the land, suffering will ensue.

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  21. 1493 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On a related note, I highly recommend the book 1493, which talks at length about the impacts of malaria on North and South America starting in the 16th century. Malaria was very widespread on (what is now) the east coast of the US, for example, and that disease played a major role in fostering the slave trade, as people from Africa were largely immune to the disease once they survived encounters with it as children.

  22. great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just what this planet needs, a way to keep even more brown people from dying.

  23. Re:Could a 100% effective vaccine eradicate malari by pauljlucas · · Score: 1

    Anyway, if there was a ~100% effective vaccine taken by almost everyone, would that eradicate malaria itself, or could the malaria parasite continue to exist?

    The latter since malaria does not require humans in particular as part of its life cycle.

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  24. I hate to say it, but... by pauljlucas · · Score: 2

    If they're successful at eradicating malaria in the developing world, they're also going to have to do something about birth control since the population will explode due to malaria no longer killing people off. The developing world can't even handle the population it already has in terms of food, potable water, and sanitation.

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    1. Re:I hate to say it, but... by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      So we shouldn't eradicate deadly diseases? WTF are you getting at? Maybe people in the developing world should just roll over and die because they have no reason to live?

      It's why it's called the DEVELOPING world. There is a big cost associated with these diseases too. The large number of children per family is part of that cost.

      This is the family of man. We are all in the same boat (the Earth). The sooner we recognize this and pull together the sooner Man will be able to move on towards fuller realization of the potential of every man, and the great progress of the human race that is possible.

    2. Re:I hate to say it, but... by pauljlucas · · Score: 1

      WTF are you getting at?

      Re-read my post. I said what I'm getting at: they have to do a better job of birth control, i.e., providing condoms and actually getting people to use them, the catholic church not withstanding.

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    3. Re: I hate to say it, but... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Oddly, complex things like population control don't work in the simple straightforward way you think.

      Educating women is the most effective means of birth control, by far. Making people healthy means they can work more reliably, have more money, afford to go to school, and not miss school because they're sick.

    4. Re:I hate to say it, but... by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:I hate to say it, but... by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      Or maybe they could just create more food?

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    6. Re:I hate to say it, but... by pauljlucas · · Score: 1

      They're already short of food. If they could somehow do it, they would already be doing it.

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    7. Re:I hate to say it, but... by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Don't worry. Some cultures in Africa believe that the real cure to AIDS is to have sex with a virgin. I shit you not! The "solution" is the fucking problem. Literally!!!

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    8. Re:I hate to say it, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are to busy being sick...

  25. How prevention may fight poverty by tepples · · Score: 1

    Perhaps if more people were to survive to and through productive adulthood instead of dying early to malaria, less effort would need to be spent on rearing children. The savings to a society from less loss of people to diseasemight help toward fighting poverty.

  26. So then what? by argStyopa · · Score: 2

    OK then let's step up to the "hard questions" then.

    Let's assume that tomorrow we invent a super vaccine that cures the worst diseases in the world; according to WHO, Malaria, Tuberculosis, and HIV/AIDS kills 5.4 million people every year.
    Simultaneously, let's assume that we've somehow solved the world's food distribution problems.

    What then?

    I know it sounds callous to say so, but that's probably why this difficult question never gets seriously addressed: if the bulk of the people dying to disease and starvation didn't, isn't the result just ... MORE starvation, conflict, and misery?

    I don't have an answer.

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    1. Re:So then what? by krovisser · · Score: 1

      We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. ...in America.

    2. Re:So then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then we must limit the growth of the population by means of more rigorous use of birth control.

    3. Re:So then what? by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Available evidence suggests that if you cut down childhood mortality, birth rates will follow it down.

      They don't have loads of children because it's amusing. They do to try to ensure that some of them will survive to adulthood to care for them in old age. When the childhood mortality rate is about 1-in-5, it doesn't take much of a run of bad luck to wipe out 1-3 children.

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    4. Re:So then what? by mjr167 · · Score: 1

      You have to start somewhere. You can't just say "Fuck it, there is always going to be some big problem causing misery and suffering!" Help the people you know you can help today and worry about tomorrow tomorrow.

      Developing and agrarian societies have high birth rates because they have high mortality rates and children are an asset. Children can work. Children can help support you. You can sell... er marry... your children for personal gain.

      Once you take away the advantages of having a pile of children (child labor laws) and turn children into an economic burden (college), the incentive to have a pile of children decreases and birth raters slow. 50 years ago in the US it was common to have 5 or 6 kids per family. Now a days we are looking at 1 or 2, maybe 3. Yes there are outliers, but our birth rates have been steadily decreasing since we industrialized.

    5. Re: So then what? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Have you noticed that countries where disease and death rates are lowest are also the ones where birth rates are below replacement?

    6. Re:So then what? by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      Are you claiming that people have children so that there will be someone to take care of them when they are older? So if we come up with self replicating robots who will take care of old people the species would die off?

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    7. Re:So then what? by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Are you claiming that people have children so that there will be someone to take care of them when they are older? So if we come up with self replicating robots who will take care of old people the species would die off?

      My statement was only intended to apply to the current context of discussion (poor families in developing nations), not humanity in general.

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  27. Balance of Nature. by hoboroadie · · Score: 1

    Probably because you killed off your bats and birds. I lived in Mecklenburg and Cabarrus counties in the 70s but I recommend moving out of the Malarial regions of the state. I have personally noted a direct correlation between the de-population of the bat-house on the barn and a HUGE increase in mosquitoes on the farm this year in southern Oregon. We had one Purple Marten sighting and only one Tree Swallow nest (actually, next farm over) this year. Not good.

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    1. Re:Balance of Nature. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, I don't want to be contrarian, but we have a lot of both as well. When I'm out walking in the evening I see a lot of swallows flying around, and we've found four bats in our house in the last year. Suburban Durham.

    2. Re:Balance of Nature. by hoboroadie · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I am a contrarian.
      I realize my personal observations don't correlate with that of others, but this year has been like some nasty trip to the jungle here.
      I think maybe something horrible happened on the migratory path this year, we've watched generations return to nest for years, then this year nobody came, coinciding with the mysterious disappearance of our bats this last year, and the long, rainy spring.
      It should equalize in a few years, unless the swallows stay gone. It could be the beginning of something completely different...

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    3. Re:Balance of Nature. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why is Northern Ontario infested with mosquitoes? Almost nobody lives there (less than 1 person per square km) and the area is almost 1,000,000 square km. By your theory it should be absolutely infested with bats and birds and should have very few mosquitoes, but go about 8 seconds without spraying yourself with DEET and you'll have dozens of bites.

      I'm thinking your theory is wrong.

  28. Re:Banning DDT was a huge mistake by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

    DDT was unethically fed to prisoners and was found to be non-carcinogenic.

    And everything that doesn't cause cancer is good.

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  29. Re: Your Signature by Dr.+Sheldon+Cooper · · Score: 1

    That's Dr. Sheldon Cooper, if you please.

    If you find this statement too direct, please feel free to imagine that it was concluded with a winky face or some other unnecessary yet somehow comforting-to-the-unwashed-masses communicative frivolity.

    You're welcome.

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  30. Another excuse for FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Because intelligence services love sending people to remote areas of the globe who obviously don't belong there under the pretense of providing vaccinations.

  31. Here's to Hoping by TFlan91 · · Score: 1

    that the vaccine won't be patented.

  32. Getting rid of mosquitos is hard by sjbe · · Score: 1

    why don't they instead find a way to get rid of the fscking mosquitoes ?

    You think that idea hasn't occurred to anyone? They haven't done it because it is REALLY hard, and really expensive and given the political instability in parts of Africa as well as the geography not really feasible. We did it in the US in part through the use of DDT which turned out to be a pretty bad idea in the long run.

  33. Gates Foundation and Malaria .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The poorly performing malaria vaccine RTS,S, created by GSK with a healthy infusion of funds from the Gates Foundation, is being tested in Phase III trials in Africa now. Including many thousands of African infants.

    GSK will not profit from RTS,S. However, RTS,S is injected along with a new GSK adjuvant called AS01.

    GSK will make vast sums from the new adjuvant, the testing of which is being piggybacked on their altruistic malaria vaccine (which, incidentally, is virtually entirely ineffective without AS01).

    Interestingly, RTS,S (or should I say, AS01) testing in African infants began before AS01 trials in children were permitted in the United States.

    GSK physician-scientists also held positions of significance in the Gates Foundationâ¦conflict-of-interest issues notwithstanding
    ." link

  34. Re:King Billy = a GOOD "1%'er" & how/why... ap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should just alter their personal hosts file, then malaria would get routed to 127.0.0.1 and not infect their body network, right?

  35. Disagree with the premise by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    "Right on the heals of the Bill Gates BusinessWeek article discussing the importance of disease prevention and cure over technological deployment

    I disagree with the premise of the summary.

    .
    First of all, it was not a Bill Gates BusinessWeek article, it was an interview with Bill Gates in BusinessWeek. Second, Bill Gates takes a swipe at technology deployment being done by a Microsoft competitor, without giving any substantiation of why technology deployment is bad. The BusinessWeek interview of Bill Gates shows just how short-sighted and self-centered his "vision" really is. He is unable to comprehend the benefits of anything besides what he is doing.

  36. wording..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see what you did there..."right on the heals"......clever.

  37. Panama canal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i remember watching a TV show maybe 15 years ago that said malaria was a problem in the construction of the Panama canal. the workers had to drain the swamps to remove the mosquitoes. or maybe it was another kind of disease / bacteria / virus that was transmitted by mosquitoes that killed several hundred workers.

    1. Re:Panama canal by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Yellow fever and Malaria. Far more then several hundred. Disease stopped the frogs outright.

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  38. A way to clear inventory by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Free vaccine with all Windows Surface purchases!

  39. Re: Banning DDT was a huge mistake by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

    Apparently bullets to the head are also non-carcinogenic.

  40. Cost of malaria to society by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So now Africa will have 600,000 more people a year to feed, house, and clothe, and they can't even do that now.

    Your argument is badly flawed.

    That's 600,000 more people that can work and contribute to society. Millions more who don't have to languish in hospitals instead of working or studying because they are sick. Countries that eliminate malaria have been shown to have a 5X increase in GDP per capita. Malaria is estimated to cost Africa $12 billion per year due to lost productivity, lost education, health care costs, reduced tourism, and reduced investment. Think that $12 billion per year might feed and clothe a few people? (That's $20,000 per person per year in a region where the average GDP per capita is presently around $1,900)

    1. Re:Cost of malaria to society by Tharkkun · · Score: 0

      So now Africa will have 600,000 more people a year to feed, house, and clothe, and they can't even do that now.

      Your argument is badly flawed.

      That's 600,000 more people that can work and contribute to society. Millions more who don't have to languish in hospitals instead of working or studying because they are sick. Countries that eliminate malaria have been shown to have a 5X increase in GDP per capita. Malaria is estimated to cost Africa $12 billion per year due to lost productivity, lost education, health care costs, reduced tourism, and reduced investment. Think that $12 billion per year might feed and clothe a few people? (That's $20,000 per person per year in a region where the average GDP per capita is presently around $1,900)

      That's assuming there's actual jobs available for these people. We are over-employed globally so helping another 600k people live will not help the world. Napalm Africa and China. Lower unemployment and reverse global warming in 1 swoop.

    2. Re:Cost of malaria to society by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      $12 billion in economic activity is going to generate how much in additional carbon emissions every year? It will also enable additional capitalistic exploitation. It's a lose-lose situation.

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  41. Re:Could a 100% effective vaccine eradicate malari by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then you're suggesting a mosquito vaccine?! THAT would have real delivery issues...

  42. MOD PARENT UP by JigJag · · Score: 1

    n/t

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  43. News from CNN? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    news from CNN

    That's news in and of itself.

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  45. YMMV by hoboroadie · · Score: 1

    Almost nobody lives there

    Many agree with me.
    I believe folks should leave the tundra and such for the birds and their cohort. If you choose to defy nature and live there that's your mistake to make, but don't destroy my planet with your drainage and poisonings.
    Probably bringing back the bird population of 200 years ago would not reduce the insect population in Northern Ontario by a noticeable amount (thats why the birds bother to visit in the first place), but I think in places that are actually suitable for humans you can observe the patterns. I believe that I have observed an apparent correlation of the cycles in my location, I could be mistaken. We happen to own a pretty uninhabitable bit of forest in British Columbia, but over the ridge and a half kilometer away it is an entirely different story, airflow matters. I will not be doing anything to upset my local Salamanders or Salmon, It's their home. If we harvest a stem or two of the Thuja plicata straight up by helicopter, I believe we can pay our taxes without killing a significant number of the locals.
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  46. What a crock of bullshit by martas · · Score: 1

    Malaria kills less than 1 million people a year. The annual population growth of just sub-Saharan Africa is over 20 million. Malaria is a drop in the bucket of population growth. Not only is it inhumanly cruel to even suggest it as a form of population control, it is also really stupid because it is common knowledge that fertility rates are inversely related to child mortality, and that population growth is inversely related to QoL (dying children tend to get in the way of education, economic growth, etc). Every time any article related to saving lives in poor regions comes up, someone always repeats this stupid and racist sorry excuse for logic. If you want a circlejerk about how much better life would be if we just killed all those smelly brown people that utilize a TINY fraction of the resources your "developed" ass does, you might have more fun over at 4chan.

  47. Re:Could a 100% effective vaccine eradicate malari by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    plasmodium falciparum does require humans for part of its lifecycle and can only survive in the mosquito gut for a short time. Other species can survive in other animals, but P.f. needs humans.

  48. Re:RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wrong! (I hate when I do that)
    Should have said taiga My Dad got a rather amusing video of a walk on our B.C. land, there's a very audible whining hum throughout which is actually coming from the thick clouds of mosquitoes. At a rather comical spot, when he's not spoken for just the right period of time where you notice the sound, he points out that they're actually "darkening the sky" above him. -hoboroadie

  49. Re:Could a 100% effective vaccine eradicate malari by tackdriver · · Score: 2

    The answer is yes. Malaria only lives in mosquitoes and humans. It has no 'sylvan focus', i.e. it doesn't live in any wild animals. If we could isolate all the people with malaria, and stop anyone being bitten by mossies for 2 weeks, the disease would be eradicated. This would be long enough to interrupt the parasites lifecycle. Another interesting thing about malaria is that it was endemic in Europe up to the first world war. It was eradicated there by spraying and management of sitting water.