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Request to Falsify Data Published In Chemistry Journal

New submitter Jim_Austin writes "A note inadvertently left in the 'supplemental information' of a journal article appears to instruct a subordinate scientist to fabricate data. Quoting: 'The first author of the article, "Synthesis, Structure, and Catalytic Studies of Palladium and Platinum Bis-Sulfoxide Complexes," published online ahead of print in the American Chemical Society (ACS) journal Organometallics, is Emma E. Drinkel of the University of Zurich in Switzerland. The online version of the article includes a link to this supporting information file. The bottom of page 12 of the document contains this instruction: "Emma, please insert NMR data here! where are they? and for this compound, just make up an elemental analysis ..." We are making no judgments here. We don't know who wrote this, and some commenters have noted that "just make up" could be an awkward choice of words by a non-native speaker of English who intended to instruct his student to make up a sample and then conduct the elemental analysis. Other commenters aren't buying it.'"

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  1. Why bother with the panic? by fey000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The beauty of (natural) science is that you can replicate the results. Why spark a debate (which is more in social sciences ballpark) when you can just run the experiments and validate the statement that way? The paper would only omit important analysis steps if a patent is involved, something that the title of the paper does not imply.

    1. Re:Why bother with the panic? by Wootery · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why spark a debate (which is more in social sciences ballpark) when you can just run the experiments and validate the statement that way?

      Err, "just"?

      I'm no chemist, but I don't imagine cutting-edge chemical experiments are something you just do.

      Also, you're completely missing the point. Falsification of science absolutely should be a big deal. The person responsible should face serious consequences, and hopefully it remains rare enough that it's big news.

    2. Re:Why bother with the panic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's no proof they did falsify anything...

    3. Re:Why bother with the panic? by khallow · · Score: 1

      Yet. We'll see if there's anything to the story. After all, if these were instructions to falsify anything, then it's most likely something that's been done before and the evidence will be in previous papers.

    4. Re:Why bother with the panic? by Cyberax · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, that's a known problem in chemistry. So there's a growing movement to require an independent lab to replicate results before publishing - Reproducibility Initiative. See: http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2012/08/14/reproducing_scientific_results_on_purpose.php

    5. Re:Why bother with the panic? by ebno-10db · · Score: 5, Informative

      The beauty of (natural) science is that you can replicate the results.

      Spoken from a true armchair POV. Trying to replicate results can be very expensive and time consuming. Furthermore, failure to replicate results does not immediately invalidate the original work, as there can be all kinds of legitimate explanations. Either party may have simply made a mistake, or there may be some critical variable that isn't yet recognized. Fraud in science is a very serious matter, a major impediment and expense, and unfortunately can be very difficult to prove. Therefore when it is found it should be punished severely.

    6. Re:Why bother with the panic? by noh8rz10 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Way to go, fellow slashdotters. Be rude to women and drive them away. don't you get it that we win from a diversity of opinions? maybe you think you're being funny, but it's actually just hateful and hurtful to everybody here. besides, everybody has a mother! would you say those things to your mother?

    7. Re:Why bother with the panic? by Muros · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Falsification of science absolutely should be a big deal. The person responsible should face serious consequences, and hopefully it remains rare enough that it's big news.

      I agree with the sentiment, but I am inclined to believe the "awkward choice of words by a non-native speaker of English" argument. It's not like that particular choice of words is even unambiguous to native speakers; if I said "I'm going to make up a batch of beer", friends will be calling around looking for a drink.

    8. Re:Why bother with the panic? by jythie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, I am thinking back to all the drama around the word choice for using a 'trick' on data. No implication of falsification, but the word choice got people up in a tissy.

    9. Re:Why bother with the panic? by artor3 · · Score: 1

      I imagine a lot of people would prefer to know whether the results are faked before devoting long hours and large amounts of money to trying to replicate them. Not to mention the stress of working round the clock on an experiment trying to figure out why your results aren't matching the published paper. Without this sort of revelation, you'd be left to assume that you were the one doing something wrong.

    10. Re: Why bother with the panic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      you're a massive, MASSIVE, *MASSIVE* dick. good thing you don't like women, because you're never getting laid.

    11. Re:Why bother with the panic? by harlequinn · · Score: 1

      No one cares what you think

      You cared enough to reply to him.

    12. Re:Why bother with the panic? by budgenator · · Score: 1, Troll

      It was far more than a "trick on the data" the entire batch of FOIA emails known as climategate shown systemic manipulation of the peer review system, data manipulation and croneyism.

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    13. Re:Why bother with the panic? by OneAhead · · Score: 1

      Is this a ploy to make people hate the real Ethanol-fueled? If so, cut it out - the guy is perfectly capable of making inane comments that ruin his reputation without your help.

    14. Re:Why bother with the panic? by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Reminds me of "climategate" where the pundits gleefully reported that researchers admitted to using a "trick" to "hide" something. Of course, if you read more than those two words, you realized it wasn't anything shady. Nonetheless, the fossil fuel PR team had great fun with it and some idiots out there took it as reason to ignore climate change for longer.

    15. Re:Why bother with the panic? by OneAhead · · Score: 1

      Since you wrote "important analysis steps", I thought I'd mention for the record that the specific type of analysis that was missing is one that is getting more and more redundant in present-day organic synthesis; one can get a pretty clear picture from all the other analyses that are commonly included in synthetic papers. Of course, fabricating data (it that's really what they meant by "make up") is unconditionally wrong, but I doubt they could lead the reader to a wrong conclusion by faking an Elemental Analysis if there's also NMR, Mass Spectroscopy,... supporting the correct conclusion.

    16. Re: Why bother with the panic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because getting laid is all that matters in existance.

    17. Re:Why bother with the panic? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      The beauty of (natural) science is that you can replicate the results. Why spark a debate (which is more in social sciences ballpark) when you can just run the experiments and validate the statement that way?

      Because the journals tend to have an affirmative results bias. If someone replicates the experiment and fails to produce a result; it probably will not get published. On the other hand, if they replicate the experiment, and get the desired result -- perhaps it will.

      People care about the replication of results -- only in as much as it substantiated the prior research.

      If it shows the original research cannot be replicated, then that fact is likely to be ignored.

      Therefore.... it's quite important to get it right the first time and not have falsified data.

      It's not as if there can be an audit and the article based on some fabricated data pulled or ignored, with that fact unknown.

    18. Re:Why bother with the panic? by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Marxist atheist environmentalist

      You know, one thing you can't blame the old communist block for was being overly concerned for environment. But nice boogeyman-flavored word salad anyway.

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    19. Re:Why bother with the panic? by golden+age+villain · · Score: 1

      Because it costs a lot of money, your taxpayer's money. Because it costs a lot of time and ruins the career of young scientists who will waste their time trying to replicate bogus results. Because it should not be acceptable in the first place. What about these reasons?

      Sadly it shows that no one really bothered reading the manuscript thoroughly before publication, neither the authors, nor the reviewers.

    20. Re:Why bother with the panic? by msauve · · Score: 1

      But the command was "just make up an elemental analysis." That "just" to me implies a request to limit the work done - do it the easiest/simplest way, just make it up.

      When you make up a batch of beer, you're making a physical thing. Unless you're buying beer and then passing it off as your own, it will be obvious if you're being untruthful.

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    21. Re:Why bother with the panic? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Honestly I've never heard the word "just" used that way. I can see it being used to imply that the work to be done is simple, "Oh it's easy to get to Kansas, just click your heels three times", but not that you pick a fraudulant way to appear to achieve what follows the word in order to save yourself time.

      I agree the term "make up" is ambiguous but I don't think the "just" should be considered a qualifier here. I'd personally lean towards assuming the experiment is legit unless there's other good reasons to believe otherwise, given the language differences. If it's false, there's little chance the authors will not be found out in time, if only because scientists following the same research may for now make asssumptions that will be hopelessly wrong.

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    22. Re:Why bother with the panic? by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      I think many people use the Troll option when they see "Clearly false". I'm familiar enough with Climategate to know that many on the right believes this nonsense, but nonsense it is.

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    23. Re:Why bother with the panic? by kasperd · · Score: 1

      Furthermore, failure to replicate results does not immediately invalidate the original work, as there can be all kinds of legitimate explanations. Either party may have simply made a mistake, or there may be some critical variable that isn't yet recognized.

      Regardless of the outcome, the result of any attempt to replicate the result is worth publishing. A failure may be caused by something as trivial as the original researchers accidentally leaving out some step which was obvious to themselves. It may also be that the original researches have accidentally done something wrong, which invalidates the entire study. Whether it is one or the other will only be clear once multiple teams have tried to reproduce the results, and differences in outcome have been investigated.

      This of course just means it is even more expensive and time consuming than you pointed out.

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    24. Re:Why bother with the panic? by EMN13 · · Score: 1

      Is it any less "armchair" to simply assume an article is valid without corroboration, or to assume this particular scientist is a fraud without actually checking?

      Just because it's more easily said than done doesn't make it untrue - and I strongly suspect none of us particularly care about these specific results anyhow, so of course we'll just comment from afar without actually doing anything.

      I mean, if this bothers you, do you have an alternative suggestion?

    25. Re:Why bother with the panic? by dkf · · Score: 1

      Trying to replicate results can be very expensive and time consuming.

      It's worthwhile doing though. A result that can be reproduced is genuinely useful. Of course, what "reproduce" means is not trivial at all, as there are a lot of unique experiments and data collections out there. (You can't rewind the natural world just so you can put a different set of instruments in place to measure an event again in more detail.) Reproduction might mean using a different approach to analysis of the raw data, or measuring another "sufficiently similar" thing, or trying to do exactly the same thing in a different lab; it all depends on exactly what is being studied and exactly what is being claimed.

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    26. Re:Why bother with the panic? by StikyPad · · Score: 2

      Indeed. In French, for example, the word for "do" and "make" are the same.

      http://translate.google.com/#en/fr/What%20are%20you%20doing%3F%20What%20are%20you%20making%3F

    27. Re:Why bother with the panic? by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      The beauty of (natural) science is that you can replicate the results.

      Spoken from a true armchair POV. Trying to replicate results can be very expensive and time consuming. Furthermore, failure to replicate results does not immediately invalidate the original work, as there can be all kinds of legitimate explanations. Either party may have simply made a mistake, or there may be some critical variable that isn't yet recognized. Fraud in science is a very serious matter, a major impediment and expense, and unfortunately can be very difficult to prove. Therefore when it is found it should be punished severely.

      Well, the beauty of science is that it is self-correcting. Even if the results are too expensive/time-consuming to reproduce, eventually someone will attempt to use the results as a basis for their own research. And when they do, they will quickly find out that it was a load of crap.

      Unlike the corporate world where you can hide malice and incompetence by burying it in BS, you can't do that for long in the science world. Every time you publish you put your reputation on the line, and if it is found that your research is deliberately fraudulent your reputation is pretty much destroyed. Even if your research just demonstrates incompetence rather than malice, your reputation can be irreparably damaged. Once that happens, the only science you'll be doing is figuring out how long to keep those french fries in the fryer.

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    28. Re: Why bother with the panic? by Modern+Primate · · Score: 1

      Because $$$

    29. Re:Why bother with the panic? by left00coaster · · Score: 1

      7. The word is "commentator", not "commenter".

      Wrong. Absolutely nothing incorrect about "commenter."

    30. Re:Why bother with the panic? by Bongo · · Score: 2

      It was an environmentalist who told me frankly that it did not matter if CO2 didn't turn out ot be a big problem, because by forcing a cut in CO2 you force a cut in production and consumption. She said, "it is about reducing GREED".

      If people would just stop and listen to what environmentalists actually want, we could all discuss it on its own merits. Instead the PR is often about which message will advance this or that cause. Facts be damned.

    31. Re:Why bother with the panic? by Bongo · · Score: 1

      Fair point. My intent was mainly to question this message that big money is behind denialism, when it takes big money to build any big energy alternative. We can add big gas because as some point out, every wind farm is a gas plant (needed for quick response backup, which onl gas can provide).

    32. Re:Why bother with the panic? by msauve · · Score: 1

      Definition of JUST
      1
      a : exactly, precisely (just right)
      ...
      3
      a : only, simply (just last year) (just be yourself)
      b : quite, very

      So, exactly or simply "make it up."

      I'll submit that a person not fluent in English might say "make it up" when they mean "work it up," but using "just" shows a greater familiarity with English.

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    33. Re:Why bother with the panic? by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Now say this using your real account, that can be tied to your real-life name, please.

    34. Re:Why bother with the panic? by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1
      most of your points are crap, but I'll respond to a couple.

      3. I fail to see why we should be more concerned about driving away women, as opposed to any other demographic of people visiting the site.

      very true, but the topic of this thread is women. it also applies to black people, gay people, gun rights advocates, gun restriction advocates, anybody. I'm not saying that we need "a black voice" on Slashdot. But someone may have an interesting take on an issue, but decline to post it because of all the GNAA trolls. and that is a loss for the entire community.

      4. Unless you're claiming that the sexes are actually NOT equal, there is no diversity of opinion based solely on sex.

      there's diversity of opinion based on bringing a large number of people who are engaged on an issue. and the OP and you are a downer to many people and we likely lose some voices. It's not a woman thing, don't you get that? before you retort, it turns off both men and women I'm sure.

      5. No, not everybody has a mother.

      Really? from a biological perspective or from a broken home perspective? I was thinking the former...

      7. The word is "commentator", not "commenter".

      I think of commentators as people who sit in on broadcasts for golf or election debates!

      ok, that's all I got. Any replies, or should this be another dead end conversation?

    35. Re:Why bother with the panic? by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

      commentators are the guys who sit in on golf broadcasts or election debate coverage! LOL on the GP

  2. Disprove = free paper by trdtaylor · · Score: 2

    Analyze that elemental analysis, if it's obviously fabricated publish short refuting paper in a better journal

    Or offer ACS to print it if ACS is the best in the industry, boom name recognition and easy paper.

  3. Science - It Works by Bob9113 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    some commenters have noted that "just make up" could be an awkward choice of words by a non-native speaker of English who intended to instruct his student to make up a sample and then conduct the elemental analysis. Other commenters aren't buying it.

    You know what the great thing about science is? We don't have to focus on emotion and rhetoric. We can do the experiment, and see if it would have supported the conclusion. If it would, our societal view of justice compels us to assume they were asking for the valid test results to be included. If it would not have supported the conclusion, then we can call for the author to be sanctioned.

    1. Re:Science - It Works by mbkennel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Climatology is as scientific as geophysics and astrophysics.  It is plenty hard.

      "And you can't repeat the experiment to see if it would have supported the conclusion, you just have to trust the original researcher's models." as in astrophysics, and yet it is highly predictive since it is based on physics.

      The 'emotion and rhetoric' comes when some people don't like the consequences of the answers.

    2. Re:Science - It Works by Bob9113 · · Score: 1

      That's true for hard sciences, but not climate science. Emotion and rhetoric play a huge part in that. And you can't repeat the experiment to see if it would have supported the conclusion, you just have to trust the original researcher's models.

      While it is true that there is a lot of rhetoric, and you cannot re-run the experiment, you can, and should, independently audit the data and formulae. I did, when I didn't know which side of the issue I fell on, and felt that both sides had presented reasonable conjectures. The theorists on both sides have made falsifiable predictions -- some going back more than a hundred years -- which can be tested with available data. There is a huge amount of data out there, and it only takes a week or two to pore over it (maybe a little longer if you don't know how to write code -- but you could do the analysis with a spreadsheet, it would just take a little longer).

      I mean, if you don't do that, you really would just be trusing some jackass pundit on one side or the other, and that would be choosing ignorance. Surely few here would make that choice. And anyone who did choose that simple path would be even more repugnant if he went about trying to infect others with his ignorance, am I right?

    3. Re:Science - It Works by NeverWorker1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      There needs to be a "typewriter font -1." Not arguing with what you're saying, but it's an annoying font.

    4. Re:Science - It Works by OneAhead · · Score: 1

      as in astrophysics, and yet it is highly predictive since it is based on physics

      Molecular dynamics simulations are based on physics, but not very predictive.

      That's only because more than half of the scientists running MD don't have a firm grasp on what they're doing. It looks deceptively simple from a distance, but if you really want predictive results, it becomes harder than Quantum Chemistry.

    5. Re:Science - It Works by SemperUbi · · Score: 2

      We're talking impartial SCIENCE, man. I say we need "typewriter font -1" and "typewriter font +1." Let the battle begin!

      No matter who wins, we'll shake hands, raise toasts to each other in the mead hall, then go slaughter the Comic Sans crowd.

    6. Re:Science - It Works by OneAhead · · Score: 2

      That's true for hard sciences, but not for the US political debate on climate science. Emotion and rhetoric play a huge part in that.

      FTFY.

      BTW, nice attempt at flamebaiting the discussion off-topic.

    7. Re:Science - It Works by OneAhead · · Score: 2

      Climatology gives us no more answers about future weather than molecular dynamics does about any cellular system.

      Well duh, climate science is about climate, not weather. Weather models are to climate science as molecular dynamics is to biochemical network simulations. Or to correct your statement: "Weather models give us no more answers about future climate than molecular dynamics does about any cellular system".

    8. Re:Science - It Works by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not Courier unless you have your browser set up to display Courier. It is a <tt> tag, which has a css style of "font-family:monospace;". Courier is monospaced, but so are typewriters. He is at least as correct as you are.

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    9. Re:Science - It Works by BancBoy · · Score: 1

      Your order-of-magnitude higher ID than the parent poster suggests an explanation.

      Myself, I like Courier. But then, I'm in the lower 10x of that equation.

      And please, if you're going to criticize someone's choice of font, take a moment to do it with precision and figure out what the name of the font is.

      The name of the font? OK, how about why-is-a-fucking-typewriter-hacking-my-computer-screen font? Is that better?

      Shitty font is shitty. No one remembers the scientific name of the dodo bird for the same damn reason, so knock it off already with this precision crap.

      Raphus cucullatus

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    10. Re:Science - It Works by doom · · Score: 1

      You know what the great thing about science is? We don't have to focus on emotion and rhetoric. We can do the experiment, and see if it would have supported the conclusion.

      In this case, the author did not follow the instruction to (apparently) just make something up. So the question is not whether someone falsified something, it's whether there's someone out there promoting a cyncical approach to writing scientific papers.

      And science is a social process. Yeah, you're supposed to have a physical process specified that you can try to replicate, but practically that's not likely to be more than spot checks for all but the most important results, the process of replication is quite likely tedioius and expensive, so the immediate question is whose results you're going to try to replicate. You don't pay much attention to some guy on the street or some dude on the internet, you use the scientific credentially system to find people who are likely to have results that are worth taking the trouble of studying and (possibly) taking the trouble to replicate.

      So what we have here is a social trust issue, and if we had a Science Bureau of Investigation, you would hope they'd be trying to figure out who wrote this note, and whether they're in the habit of giving similar instructions to other researchers.

      (And may I say, you appear to be a victum of what I think of as "the techies fallacy": all those messy human problems can be dodged by just focusing on our nice hard-eged Technical world.)

    11. Re:Science - It Works by NeverWorker1 · · Score: 1

      As somebody else has pointed out, it's a tag. That tt stands for "teletype." That your system (and mine) happen to represent that with courier doesn't change the fact that it's a typewriter font. Monospace is great for code, but pretty lousy for actually reading.

  4. Very well could be by TheCarp · · Score: 1

    Very well could just be as they say, a poor choice of words. Maybe he just wanted her to do the needful?

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    1. Re:Very well could be by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Many languages use only one verb for several uses of "make" and "do". English has some odd cases where "make" is used but, from a logical point of view, it would seem that "do" would be more appropriate, making translations more difficult. Thus, instead of "make up an analysis", one could easily imagine someone with a less than perfect grasp of english meaning "do an analysis"

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    2. Re:Very well could be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That looks like German wording of "make up" = "do", nothing nefarious about it, slow news day?

    3. Re:Very well could be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not even just German, I understood "make up" in English to mean to do the work to collate the results. I don't think it's so much a slow news day as a dumb audience century.

    4. Re:Very well could be by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or has that already happened?

      On numerous occasions politicians have released MS-Word docs, and the full edit history could be retrieved, with occasionally embarrassing results.

    5. Re:Very well could be by SunTzuWarmaster · · Score: 1

      Like releasing the same document twice, with different redactions? http://www.aljazeera.com/humanrights/2013/08/2013851618340986.html
      Or information on an Iraqi shooting? http://gcn.com/articles/2005/05/13/pdf-user-slipup-gives-dod-lesson-in-protecting-classified-information.aspx
      Or when the TSA published their 'classified' handbook? http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/12/tsa-leak/
      Or when the UK revealed their nuclear submarine secrets? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13107413

    6. Re:Very well could be by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      "do up" "fix up" "make up" All three could be innocent. All three could be nefarious.

    7. Re:Very well could be by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Thus, instead of "make up an analysis", one could easily imagine someone with a less than perfect grasp of english meaning "do an analysis"

      Really, one could easily imagine someone with a perfect grasp of english saying it.

      I say things like, "I need you to make up some charts showing X and Y over Z..." and I've never once intended anyone to falsify the data. To "make up" something is to "create it". I could just as easily said "I need you to create some charts showing X / Y / Z" and again the called for action is to apply creative effort in constructing the charts not the data to be charted.

      To "make up an analysis of X" to most people I've worked with would be interpreted as "make me a report containing your analysis of X".

      This is much ado about nothing unless there is more evidence to go on.

  5. Shouldn't peer review catch this? by gman003 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would have thought that standard peer review would have caught this - someone reading this, specifically with an eye towards accuracy, should have noticed it well before it made it to print. Whether that would result in just removing the offending text (which, while not completely guilty, definitely sounds bad) or result in actual correction of the experiment, I can't say.

    1. Re:Shouldn't peer review catch this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For better or worse, journals, editors, and referees often turn a blind eye towards supplemental information (which this was). My most recent publication, the Royal Chemistry Society even had a disclaimer that they do not open or view the Supplemental Information.

    2. Re:Shouldn't peer review catch this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Supplementary information is usually not peer revived. At Least not that I know of.

    3. Re:Shouldn't peer review catch this? by Demonantis · · Score: 1

      Peer reviews aren't paid usually so basically they got what they paid for.

    4. Re:Shouldn't peer review catch this? by dougmc · · Score: 1

      should have noticed it well before it made it to print

      Also, much peer review happens after it goes to print. After all, that's the purpose of printing it in the first place, to get it out to more people.

      I'm not sure if the person who discovered this bit in the supplemental information is a "peer" or not -- but if so, it looks like peer review worked perfectly.

  6. This is the internet... by craznar · · Score: 1

    Why let the search for truth get in the way of a good lynching.

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    1. Re:This is the internet... by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Why let the search for truth get in the way of a good lynching.

      A lie can run around the world before truth has got it's boots on - Terry Pratchett

      Looks like truth got a running start on this sprint.

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    2. Re:This is the internet... by gigaherz · · Score: 1

      Because he read it in a Terry Pratchett book, I guess?

    3. Re:This is the internet... by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      I am shocked to discover that natural languages have ambiguous parsing!

  7. IF you RTFA by avandesande · · Score: 4, Informative

    None of the data talked about in the note was used in the final journal submission and the compound the author was referring to was what he claimed was a theoretical intermediate. I am leaning toward a misunderstanding in a hastily written note.

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    1. Re:IF you RTFA by djupedal · · Score: 1

      So you seem to think it's fair to tell us to RTFA while the actors involved didn't think it fair to do their own reading. If so, that smacks of the type of double standard we're hoping to illustrate, so thanks for helping make us out as correct.

  8. "supporting information" by martas · · Score: 2

    It's not that rare for reviewers to skim the appendix of a paper, and it doesn't necessarily go against their instructions. Appendices tend to be more useful to people who need detailed information about how the results presented in a paper were obtained (typically these are researchers in the same subfield), rather than reviewers or researchers whose work is only moderately related to the paper.

    1. Re:"supporting information" by gman003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ah, true. Can't blame peer review for only skimming the appendices.

      Now, the journal editors, them I think we can blame.

    2. Re:"supporting information" by martas · · Score: 1

      Agreed, editors really should have read every word of what they were publishing.

    3. Re:"supporting information" by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      Especially when these journals have subscriptions in the hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars per year. I used to pay for Nature, but even with the student discount it was insane how much they charged.

  9. Reminds me of the day... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny

    when I was tricked into drinking Hydrogen Hydroxide when I distinctly requested a beaker full of Dihydrogen Monoxide. The cover-up, the pointing of fingers, the falling out of the scientific community. HOYVIN GLAVIN!

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  10. Have to ask... by grub · · Score: 1

    Was Andrew Wakefield involved?

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  11. Get back to me ... by NikeHerc · · Score: 1

    when this is not nearly a non-story.

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  12. Conspiracy to falsify results? by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm not disturbed by the note, and yes it's likely a poor choice of words from a non-English speaker.

    Are we now condemning conspiracy to submit fraudulent information? I thought fraud was the bad act.

    I've worked with non-English speaking students, and there are a surprising number of awkward constructions that you wouldn't notice as a native speaker.

    For example, one multiple-choice optics test question had this answer: "The image is half as large".

    The phrase "half as large" translates simultaneously into "big" and "small" at the same time... it was pointed out that many students didn't know what this meant. The first rewrite came out as "half the size", but since many cultures implicitly measure size in terms of area instead of height, lots of people misinterpreted this as well (half the height = 1/4 the area). Having an answer "none of the above" further confused the issue. The test should have been specific in saying "half the height".

    I've proofread/edited more than 10 papers written by foreign types, and "twisted meanings" are quite common - phrases that seem syntactically reasonable but which have a different meaning to a native speaker. (I grew up in Amish territory - statements like "Sarah is wonderful sick today" and "throw papa down the stairs his hat" were commonplace.)

    I wouldn't think twice about the note in the paper. Unless the researcher actually makes up the analysis out of whole cloth it's not a problem.

    Science is about evidence, not hearsay.

    1. Re:Conspiracy to falsify results? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      (half the height = 1/4 the area)

      Uh... no.

  13. This is most likely a misunderstanding by vivaoporto · · Score: 1

    This is most likely a misunderstanding, these things happen and should be caught in peer reviewing.

    Emma, please insert a little bit of misdirection on this post and click on submit after previewing. Those suckers will buy it like it's a 38k dollars handbag.

  14. Don't rush to judgement. by godel_56 · · Score: 1
    Despite my natural cynicism I lean towards honest mistake here.

    Remember that this was just an informal note. Even as an English speaker I occasionally produce an awkward construction when I'm in a hurry and writing informally. Any possible ambiguities only becomes apparent when I read it back later.

    I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until we find out more.

  15. Re:Science - It Works, but only for the big stuff by Chemisor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, we can do the experiment, but most of the time we don't. Nobody gets grant money for replicating stuff other people have already done. There's no glory in it; the citations, the namings, the prestige will all go to the original experimenter, and grants are very much about glory (to the host institution, of course, not so much for the researcher herself). Yes, the big, important stuff gets replicated, but a dreadfully mundane study of some palladium catalysed reaction is not in that category, and so is unlikely to be replicated. The allegation of "made up" data in this particular paper may prompt somebody to try it in this case, but there will be many more that will slip through.

  16. The obvious answer is... by meglon · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...they went to publish it, realized they didn't have a supporting NMR, so he told his assistant to make one up.

    Here's the rub... what that means to the assistant is, run an NMR; what it means to all the people who don't have a the education to understand what it means, or even what an NMR is, is that they can try to paint science as bad. You cant "make up" an NMR in that way, although you could substitute some other chemical and run the analysis... but why bother? Any lab with an NMR could check your work simply by running the correct NMR; and, running the correct chemical will take exactly as long, and exactly the same amount of effort.

    This is basically people who don't have enough education somehow seeing a conspiracy in nothing. I swear, the human race is fucking pathetic sometimes.

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    1. Re:The obvious answer is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The NMR just gives you a graph showing the resonant peaks, you still have to interpret it to determine what elements are present (at least that's how it was when I was in college).
      I read the note not as run the NMR, but just do the interpretation/analysis and write it here. A grad student should be able to do this in a matter of minutes, and they probably just hadn't typed it up when they first looked at it.

    2. Re:The obvious answer is... by pz · · Score: 5, Informative

      I run a scientific research lab in a Big University You Have Heard Of. I had a conversation with an intern and a post-doc earlier this week where we talked about figures that could be added to a review paper the intern is working on. I swear I used the words, "I'll make up a figure ..." to describe the actions of collecting the necessary supporting data to create a figure for the paper that my post-doc suggested would be instructional. "Make up" in this case meant, "construct," and wholly lacked nefarious, subversive, or deceptive connotations.

      And I speak English as my mother tongue.

      The so-called conspiracy to commit fraud here is a bunch of hooey. The only thing the authors are guilty of is not submitting a fully completed manuscript.

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    3. Re:The obvious answer is... by meglon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. It's someone telling their assistant to get a NMR done.

      It's become a sad day here in the US where there's a faction of people so against science, that they try to manufacture issues like this. I don't care that some people want to remain stupid... it's there choice, but they should at least have enough brain cells left to understand if they want to stay stupid, their opinion doesn't mean shit because it's based on stupidity.

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    4. Re:The obvious answer is... by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, this whole thing is absolutely stupid. I don't even buy that it was a non-native English speaker; "go make up a..." is just another way of telling someone to go produce something.

    5. Re:The obvious answer is... by khallow · · Score: 1

      It's become a sad day here in the US where there's a faction of people so against science, that they try to manufacture issues like this.

      I just don't see it. We have one blog that posted this and really didn't have much to say aside from that it looked kind of suspicious and in the same sort of procedure where some actual scientific fraud had occurred in the recent past. That's not much of a "manufacturing". There are some commentators condemning these scientists already for their red handed fraud and/or minor grammatical flub. But I don't see much in the way of a "faction" either.
      br. I do see the common rush to judgment that follows any poorly written but engaging story on the internet, but that's not particular to any faction as your post helps demonstrate.

  17. Oprah Winfrey by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1
    Oprah was refused to be shown a handbag by a Swiss shopkeeper claiming it was too expensive for her.

    In a fit of pique, she purchased the entire country and now Stedman is evicting all its citizens to make way for condos . . .

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  19. peer review isn't worth the spit it's made of by SuperBanana · · Score: 1

    A researcher friend recently described how their PI handed them a paper from a former lab member from many years ago and said "review this, ok?" (and what was of course unsaid was "approve it.") Turns out the journal of the National Academy of Sciences is a joke - it's just a place for members to dump crap they can't get accepted for publishing anywhere else. It certainly is a joke if you can get someone in your own lab to accept a paper from a former lab member.

  20. We should send feedback by mattr · · Score: 1

    Obviously there is nothing criminal going on, just a conspiracy by a stupid editor. Make up = do. If he wrote manufacture I might wonder but still it isn't proof.
    I have an idea, must not be the first to have it though.
    When slashdot and other sites (like boingboing) get news stories from syndicators of syndicators etc. in the normal idiotic trickle-down blog syndication and altruistic submitters tree and the article upon intelligent reading is obvious drivel, the end consumers (the conglomeration of all slashdot readers who have read it) should be able to push back in the reverse direction along this tree that it is stupid.
    Something like a message, "300 readers of slashdot.org think this article is stupid. Your cred dropped to 50%."
    Finally something worthy to vote about!

  21. Oblig. by munch117 · · Score: 3, Funny
    Probably non-native speakers are a bit more prone to this kind of mistake though. From an old Usenet quotes file:

    I had a manual that described doing a track alignment on a floppy drive. Basically loosen the lock screw, adjust, tighten the screw. But...the author's english was from another continent...

    "...when adjustment is complete, screw it up."

  22. Probably meant fabriate by MassiveForces · · Score: 2

    The semi-important data would be in the NMR, the elemental analysis would be more of a formality to show they are working with what they said they were working with. I think that is reason to believe they would have worded it in such a way suggesting they needed a real NMR result but some pain in the but boring work they have an expected answer for is to be just made up. Obviously bad practice, probably doesn't have much bearing on the paper itself though, assuming their materials suppliers are trustworthy.

  23. As a non-native, it's typically a mistake I'd make by BarfooTheSecond · · Score: 1

    http://www.wordreference.com/ proposes "make up" (vtr) => "assemble, put together"

    I wouldn't have seen any problem in saying "please, put an elemental analysis together", thinking: the article lacks an analysis for completeness, a simple one should be included.

    Makes me remember of red side notes from my teachers in my homework, long ago: "Results are ok, but where's the analysis?!"...

    I only see conscienciousness by a (non-english) reviewer, in this instruction.

  24. publish (positive results) or perish by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1

    It's what is incentivize when you count no results as non-knowledge. That's a large part of the problem. No results are information too, Unfortunately just anyone can produce unlimited amounts on demand.

    There should be (and the idea is not original to me) and perhaps is now a journal of interesting no-effects, non-results.

    The lying is pandemic in academia, and it's not just PIs lying about their results, it's everywhere .. sorry to say it's a culture which tolerates lying at every level. At our university, TAs openly threatened students with being graded down for doing stuff like showing up to the TAs office hours if they missed class for any reason, then followed through on those threats. The profs knew about it and looked the other way.

    I know PIs in our department were said to fake results and it was unofficially encouraged via the grapevine. In theory it gets discovered, but as far as I know no one has ever systematically gone through with the required statistical tools and correlated unrepeatedable results with PIs or departments, or more subtly, contraindicated results , results that could not be true if a wealth of other results of seemingly unrelated experiments were true. Sure some high focus pursuits like climate change and alternative energy get properly and excruciatingly scrutinized and rescrutinized, but the low level chemical pathway shit this guy is slogging around in? Not so much. He knows he's out of the spotlight.

    Here's a tip for young idealists of the sort I was. Every power hierarchy has a disproportionate number of sociopaths at the top and academia is no exception. The dishonest, law-breaking, libelous and slandering political maneuvering that spoils other ventures spoils academic pursuits at least as much.

    It was Henry Kissinger who noted that department politics are so vicious just because there is so little to fight over and he may be right. The monetary rewards are marginal, the job security is gone and work environment is bone grinding and relentless all the while it's demanded that you get positive results so you get funding.

    We need a kind of policing function in academia. We need people whose specific job it is to use what methods they can think of to catch cheaters. There mere presence of such an entity would be a huge deterrent by itself.

    We also need to detach course grading and degree granting from the university. There's nothing at the university, no particular resource anyone needs access to in order to learn to the undergrad or even masters degree level. It's overpriced, it under delivers it's causing the next financial (aid) bubble and it subjects students to a time consuming, humiliating and demeaning process of vying to be liked personally by people who have despotic-level power over their futures. Enough.

     

  25. It took by justthinkit · · Score: 2

    It took balls to say that.

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  26. Lost in translation by Borgmeister · · Score: 1

    I expect that it was being used in the sense that I am now going to make up my bed.

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