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3 Reasons Why Microsoft Needs 3 Surface Tablets

CowboyRobot writes "It's looking like Microsoft is planning to replace its underachieving Surface tablet with two new products, but it may need three to finally have success with the Surface. Three tablets would provide an entry point and an upgrade path. Multiple Surface RT models would help Windows RT survive OEM skepticism. Microsoft needs device fanfare to accompany Windows 8.1, and to coincide with enterprise hardware upgrades. If the company releases one of the models before the end of the year, the device would arrive in time not only for the holiday season, but also to cash in on user interest in Windows 8.1, which will be released later this fall. Surface devices released next year, meanwhile, could capitalize on enterprise hardware upgrades, which are expected to pick up as Windows XP's April 8, 2014 end-of-service date nears."

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  1. What an understatement... by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Funny

    From TFA: "When Microsoft first priced its Surface tablets, it made a colossal miscalculation, assuming that it could simply follow Apple into the high-margin device business."

    Aim at the other foot, Microsoft.

    1. Re:What an understatement... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It may have been able to compete with the original iPad, but not the latest and that's the greatest miscalculation.

      Here's a funny (ironic funny, not so much ha-ha funny) thought: Microsoft made their way in the early days of Microcomputers riding on the backs of cheap clones or clones which could outperform IBM's PCs.
      Fast-forward to the present and their trying to ride the backs of the highest performing hardware, with low performing clones, hoping to drag along the operating system into prominence with it.

      They should stay out of the hardware business and work on the operating system for tablets, let anyone make them and encourage development of premium hardware.

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    2. Re:What an understatement... by adri · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's not likely to work. iOS and Android are too entrenched. No OEM is going to willingly walk into a new, untested OS.

    3. Re:What an understatement... by Patch86 · · Score: 5, Funny

      There's a juicy irony in calling Windows a new, untested OS. Microsoft have been plugging Windows for touch screens for decades now; they just suck at it.

      I'm not disagreeing with your sentiment, by the way, just enjoying the phrasing.

    4. Re:What an understatement... by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There's a juicy irony in calling Windows a new, untested OS. Microsoft have been plugging Windows for touch screens for decades now; they just suck at it.

      I'm not disagreeing with your sentiment, by the way, just enjoying the phrasing.

      I have one of the old XP tablets and to say it sucks is to put it mildly. It worked pretty good for some things, generally not using the touch screen any more than necessary, but that's counter to what they are pushing these days, whether you like it or not. People are trained on Windows with a Keyboard and Mouse. Windows without either is a strange and unfamiliar thing which creates a lot of mental conflict, trying to figure how to do what we are familiar with with unfamiliar controls. Android and iOS have effectively come out the door without the baggage of prior expectations.

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    5. Re:What an understatement... by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Problem is - Android already has that market.

      Apple is what it always has been - a completely closed platform with hardware and software from the same source. No problem there for those that want that.

      The alternative is to buy your tablet from one of many different companies that make them. That's the same as it always was, but now Google provides that OS rather than Microsoft.

      Why would a company or a consumer go with Microsoft when Android already works well and is established in the market?

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    6. Re:What an understatement... by Mister_Stoopid · · Score: 2

      The thing is it's not really "Windows", though. They've developed a phone OS and chosen to call it "Windows", but that doesn't make it so.

      Windows is only popular on desktop computers because it's backwards compatible with the entire modern history of computing. To call RT "Windows" without that feature is like calling your new mode of transportation "AirplaneRT" even though it can't fly and you have to push pedals with your feet to make it move.

    7. Re:What an understatement... by gtall · · Score: 2

      Why would anyone pay MS for their OS for pads? They can have Android for free, or they are Apple and don't need it. MS is trying the only trick they know how, tie everything to winders by hook or by crook, and they aren't too particular about which one either.

    8. Re:What an understatement... by Sir_Sri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They should stay out of the hardware business and work on the operating system for tablets, let anyone make them and encourage development of premium hardware.

      That's what surface is. Surface isn't really a serious consumer product strategy. It's Microsoft making clear to the hardware makers that if they refuse to produce anything innovative or worth buying MS will do it for them.

      The problem with this strategy is that MS doesn't really seem to have anything innovative to push, in large part because windows 8 is terrible (so is 8.1).

      For the better part of a decade MS has been making software work for an iPad like slate device (they even had a term for it: a slate, a tablet is a convertible laptop with a rotating screen). And how many of those did we see on the market? None. MS has been burned badly by their 3rd party partners not rising to the challenge of making devices that aren't shit. If anything the market has gone the other way, to shovelling cheaper and cheaper stuff out that is in many cases junk.

      Try and buy a haswell tablet right now. How many can you find? There are a couple, but they are in very few product segments. MS recognizes this problem, and sees surface as the way to address this, but isn't able to implement. Which is sort of ok, if 2 months from now they launch and awesome surface pro 2, and that forces the other vendors to do the same. Late to the market, but forcing some progress maybe. And that's what Surface is there for, it's not to really making microsoft billions directly, it's to make sure that the hardware partners make things worth buying and force them to keep pushing new technology, or they're going to look bad compared to Surface. I'm sure MS would be thrilled if Surface was the most expensive and one of the worst windows 8 devices you could buy - because that would mean windows 8 would be moving at a good pace somewhere.

  2. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    but also to cash in on user interest in Windows 8.1

    What user interest?

    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      That one guy knows a guy who knows a guy who is totally stoked about 8.1!! I hear he also owns a Kin and a turd-brown Zune. He's still longing to find someone to squirt songs with.

    2. Re:Huh? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. The users have moved on, to non-MS phones and tablets, and their success at using these items for what they need is enlightening more people to this lower cost alternative. With that move and the user performance plateau that was reached about 7 years ago, people just don't need to replace nor upgrade computers. And since the masses don't update regularly either, they just don't care when Windows Update goes silent or shows an error (whatever it may do when EOL is reached) and their semi-geek knowledgeable neighbor tell them how to disable the service to stop getting that irritating warning box. And they'll merrily move on.

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    3. Re:Huh? by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Only for the moment. Microsoft doesn't really care about PC gaming ... the decision not to backport DirectX 11.2 and to simply not work on DirectX 12 at all shows their intentions and it might bite them in the ass.

      If NVIDIA and Valve decide to heavily push Linux/OpenGL things could go south fast for Microsoft. For instance NVIDIA could decide to make an efficient shim to use their graphics card from a virtualized windows client running on top of a Linux host ... at which point I could just run Windows for my legacy gaming and use Linux for my real gaming all without rebooting.

  3. Nope by s.petry · · Score: 2

    They don't need one tablet, let alone three. "Want" is the word I believe someone was looking for when writing this article.

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    1. Re:Nope by s.petry · · Score: 4, Funny

      Microsoft was never known for tablets, they were known for desktop and server systems. I would agree with the market strategy if they were early adopters, but they were pretty late to the game. This puts them in the same spot as they were with Zune.

      I'm not saying that it's impossible, but being late (years behind) the competition means that they should sit with 1 tablet and make it so awesome that iPad users claim it's competition. Trying to dump out 3 Surface devices without any demand is another failure in the pipes.

      Let me ask another question to point out why 3 tablets really really bad. What do consumers want in an iPad or Kindle? Stability and Reliability are what matters the most to the consumers. With some, there is also the status of owning an "i" device, but not most. With an unproven device, MS should be treating this like Amazon and Kindle. Simple at first to gain consumer trust and market share, later expand to various features.

      What MS is trying to do it appears is show that PCs are no longer their focus. This from a company where PCs are supposed to be their bread and butter. If they treated a tablet as a compliment instead of a replacement it would make much more sense. I would agree that many consumers will replace, but a huge number will remain on PCs for increased performance and options. Tablets can replace laptops much easier than desktops.

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    2. Re:Nope by gtall · · Score: 2

      MS also has their past screwups to overcome. Consumers looking to buy a pad of some sort see MS and think Windows Hell all over their shiny new tablet. If they had Macs, they'll expect a similar experience on their iPads, and that's pretty much what they get. At least with Android there is the promise that the demons of Software Hell will give them a pass.

    3. Re:Nope by RobertM1968 · · Score: 2

      First, Microsoft wasn't late to the game. They (with various OEM hardware manufacturers trying to support their efforts) were first to the game for both mainstream tablets and business tablets.

      Second, their strategy problem is far greater than that. Any tablet can be an RDP enabled entry point to one's home machine - and currently, that market (for as long as Android and iDevices don't capitalize on it) is one they aren't really touting. Which makes no sense, especially after all their "click" commercials demoing a product setup that would be ideal for such use. Their restrictive cloud efforts aren't helping either - no matter how robust they may be in some areas (and lacking in others).

    4. Re: Nope by msoftsucks · · Score: 2

      I do this all the time with an Android tablet. All you have to do is install PocketCloud from the store and you are ready to go. It works quite well and if you have some kind of 3g capability on the Android tablet you can do this while on the go. With PocketCloud and ConnectBot I am able to fully manage both Windows and Linux servers.

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  4. WE'RE TOO BIG TO JUST "DOUBLE DOWN" ON FAILURE! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It takes BALLS the size of CANADA to TRIPLE-DOWN!

    Lady and gentlemen, Microsoft is about to show you how it's done. This is like RIM, without the spending cap or reality check.

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    1. Re:WE'RE TOO BIG TO JUST "DOUBLE DOWN" ON FAILURE! by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Funny

      It takes BALLS the size of CANADA to TRIPLE-DOWN!

      Prepare to be teabagged by Steve Ballmer. Heck, he may go for FIVE Surface tablets.

  5. No amount of unwanted products will sell by geoskd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft is not Apple. People don't wait in line for Microsoft products just because they are Microsoft products. Apple built a cult following around top notch products. They repeatedly made good products. That didn't happen overnight, and it damn near killed apple. Microsoft has to stop producing garbage. Until *All* of Microsoft products are top tier for an extended period of time, no one will trust Microsoft enough to buy into the lock-in. Microsoft has had too many Zunes, and too many Bobs for people to shell out top dollar expecting a good user experience. Now they do the wait and see, and a wait and see product is never good enough to get the top of the market, no matter how good it is because those same customers bought the competitions product already.

    Microsoft only has one hope of remaining relevant. They have to make awesome products repeatedly for a period of years to decades, and accept that their products will go unnoticed for a long time. Eventually, a core of loyal Microsoft customers will form, and if the top notch products continue to flow, the core will continue to grow. One piece of junk like windows 8 makes it onto the shelves, and Microsoft is back at square one again. This will be a long and expensive process for Microsoft, but the longer they wait, the more likely the process will kill them.

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    1. Re:No amount of unwanted products will sell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The loyal customers of the largest, most successful software company on the planet aren't loyal to the assorted array of half-assed products they try to sell elsewhere. Hence the problem. Whether any of Microsoft's customers are actually "loyal" at all is debatable as well. Would anyone choose a Microsoft product even in their loyal business software department if the constraints of compatibility, past investment, and user familiarity were removed? Hard to say.

    2. Re:No amount of unwanted products will sell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What almost killed apple was really, really bad management and product design. I lived through the pre-jobs-return apple and the company was a damn mess. 4 PC product lines that had a lot of overlap and a lot of bad models that were crippled in order to avoid cannibalizing sales from higher end ones. (Look up "road apples" as they were commonly called)

      Jobs came back, axed nearly all prodcut lines and replaced them with 2. Consumer and pro. Pretty much Imacs and the towers, or ibooks and macbooks. He also axed the newton.

      A lot of people laughed at the gaudy imac, but the consumer saw a single purpose machine that was easy and didnt look like a complicated beige pile of cables. The rest is history.

    3. Re:No amount of unwanted products will sell by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      I don't know if MS management is seriously deluded or just wildly optimistic. It's one thing that tried with Surface RT and Surface Pro. Realistically it was late and not likely to get many buyers. But to price the RT initially the same as an iPad was fool hearty. Also to over-order millions of units. Doing the math, it was unlikely that they could have logistically sell that many even if people wanted them.

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    4. Re:No amount of unwanted products will sell by Dadoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People don't wait in line for Microsoft products just because they are Microsoft products.

      You clearly weren't around when Microsoft released Windows 95. There were long lines for that - at midnight, no less. I think what Microsoft needs to ask themselves is why that's no longer true.

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    5. Re:No amount of unwanted products will sell by Mister_Stoopid · · Score: 2

      Microsoft's "loyal customers" are loyal to exactly Desktop Windows (not RT, not CE, not whateverthefuck, it has to be "real" windows that can run that one app I have from 1997) and nothing else. That loyalty does not extend to any other market, as MS is now learning through this whole Surface fiasco.

      Some people are predicting that "desktop Windows and nothing else" won't be a big enough market to sustain MS's size, hence their need to develop customer loyalty in some other market.

    6. Re:No amount of unwanted products will sell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Windows 8 is not a piece of junk in anyway. Their failure was to consider that people don't like change. Having used every current major OS I can tell you that 8 (without the tiles) is by far the most advanced and powerful OS out there. When I try to work with iOS after being on Windows 8 I am immediately frustrated by the lack of functionality. It's like going back in time 3 years.

    7. Re:No amount of unwanted products will sell by Solandri · · Score: 2

      You clearly weren't around when Microsoft released Windows 95. There were long lines for that - at midnight, no less. I think what Microsoft needs to ask themselves is why that's no longer true.

      That's pretty easy. Back then, they gave users what they wanted. Today, Apple gets it. Contrary to GP, their products are not top-notch. They're frequently missing features commonly found on competing products (which is what elicited the "lame" reaction to the iPod here when it was first release). But Apple doesn't try to cater to the tech geek. They cater to the average person (who outnumbers the tech geek about 10:1), and concentrate on the core features the average person wants. In other words: they give people what they want.

      Microsoft hasn't been doing that lately. They dream up an idea of what they want, then try to force it down their customers' throats. Even when the customers complain that it's not what they want, they give the customer a big f-you and force it on them (e.g. putting back the Start button but having it pop up the Metro tiles). It's a complete reversal of the 1980s, when Apple said you could get your Macintosh in any color as long as it was beige, while Microsoft bent over backwards to get DOS and then Windows to work on any hardware platform out there.

  6. Ob Python by Richy_T · · Score: 3, Funny

    King of Swamp Castle: When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England.

    1. Re:Ob Python by tysonedwards · · Score: 2

      But I don't want any of that -- I'd rather-- I'd rather... just... ...sing!

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  7. couple 'o' questions... by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So.... besides the ".1" in 8.1, we are anticipating this release ... why? I mean, I wasn't aware that the 8.1 release was a thing. You get a start button, which takes you directly to the already existing start screen. Shrug. Personally, I'm sticking with 7 until the start menu comes back or hell freezes over, whichever occurs first.

    So, the RT didn't sell well, the Pro sold only slightly better... so the answer is to release more models, and the mistake they made was not timing it with the holidays?

    Kidding, right?

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    1. Re:couple 'o' questions... by tysonedwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The reason why the Surface failed wasn't because its software sucked...

      It was a marketing failure to differentiate the product, releasing the inferior product that couldn't do what people expected it to under the guise of "but it runs windows".
      It was a marketing failure to refer to the product as being "better" than an iPad or Android tablet because it had twice the memory, when it had *equal* usable memory, and there's not a damn thing that you can do to recover the unusable memory.
      It was a marketing failure to create a dance video for a product with zero brand recognition rather than actually saying *something* about it.
      It was a packaging failure as Marketing talked up the awesome keyboards and why it makes the product far better than the competition, but you didn't actually get one without increasing the cost $130 or more than everything else on the market.
      It was a design failure in the sense that the product that *could* do what you wanted was twice as thick and heavy as the nearest competitor.

      The software was actually pretty well designed for the hardware, it's just that the software tried to be forced on the rest of the market as well, in places where it didn't make sense. That in turn hurt the Windows brand.

      If their first offering wasn't called a Surface (a meaningless name) but instead the Xbox Tablet, the response would have likely been quite different as it looks and behaves like an Xbox and doesn't have the same connotation as "it runs Windows, so all my programs will work, and I won't have to learn anything new". That in turn further hurt the Windows brand.

      The Surface brand become synonymous with the Zune, Vista, and a number of other Microsoft failures despite being a reasonable product, but not the product that you expected it to be.

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    2. Re:couple 'o' questions... by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      Personally, I'm sticking with 7 until the start menu comes back or hell freezes over

      I kind of liked 7 when I got this notebook 2 years ago, even though it was missing some features I'd gotten used to with kubuntu. But it's gotten slower with every OS patch to the point where it's annoying enough it's going to be Linux. Probably coincidence, but the biggest slowdowns were the three Patch Tuesdays after W8 came out.

      If you're a Windows user because you're a gamer or need some expensive business software, you're going to have to "upgrade" sooner or later anyway.

    3. Re:couple 'o' questions... by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      God, I just realized -- Microsoft marketing behaves exactly like my 19 year old daughter. If the solution is obvious, she'll do something different rather than admit she's wrong.

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    4. Re:couple 'o' questions... by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      > If you insist on using the horribly inefficient menu paradigm for launching programs

      Ok, stop. It's not for Microsoft (and I know you shill for them) to say what is "horribly inefficient" or not in my or anyone else's workflow. This fiction that "hitting a button and typing a few characters" is somehow superior is just a lame attempt at damage control. I'm not even going to waste time trying to explain to you why this is so, because you already know. The menu system was not eliminated because it was "horribly inefficient". It was eliminated because it did not fit in with the "one GUI everywhere" paradigm. We already know from Windows Mobile that the Start button is not a useful paradigm for a mobile device. It'll take some time and quite a few lost sales until Microsoft figures out that big sliding tiles is not a useful paradigm for screens larger than cell phones.

      In the meantime, stop talking to me.

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  8. The easiest way for Microsoft to sell tablets by erroneus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Make sure the bootloader is available to be unlocked and the devices are compatible with Android.

    People will buy them knowing that if they hate the Windows mobile experience, they can always load Android and be reasonably happy with the device.

  9. Is this post trolling Microsoft? by AlphaBit · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think someone is trying to get Microsoft to go out of business by tricking them into doubling down on the Surface RT.

  10. I would argue the opposite ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft for years has had "OS basic, OS Home, OS Home Premium, OS Business, OS Business Premium, OS Business Pro ...."

    Give me one offering which does everything I need. Don't try to sell me one of 9 slightly different versions which are all variously crippled and limited.

    This cash grab to sell a bunch of different version of the same thing is usually annoying, and periodically you disover that "Home Premium" is still missing some pretty basic features.

    What Microsoft needs to do is understand what people want and why, not just come out with the latest "this is what we're giving you" and then scratch their heads when nobody gives a shit.

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  11. Big phone or small tablet? by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What is hurting microsoft is not that many people need anything resembling a desktop computer. Most people are consumer's of content with the only content they create requiring little in the way of complicated interfacing (tweets, messages, pokes, likes, votes, and the occasional picture or even video). Thus a smart phone became many people's primary interface to the interwebs. What people are now seeing is that they want a better interface to the interwebs in their pocket so the larger screen sizes are becoming quite popular. But personally I think the happy size limit is at most an iPad mini or slightly smaller.

    But instead MS goes and creates the surface which is basically a laptop with a keyboard that you will misplace. What? Who wants that? If I want a laptop, I want a trackpad, a keyboard, and a proper sized screen. If I want a tablet or larger smartphone that is what I want. Not some hybrid that isn't that great at being either when for the same or less money I can do better.

    The reality is that there is a great product sitting right in this area. The product is a keyboard, trackpad, and monitor from a laptop that uses your phone as the computer. Not just one phone that is proprietary to the keyboard/monitor but something that will talk to your entire lineup of phones now and into the future. We know that smartphones are going to get smarter and smarter but a good keyboard and monitor could last through generations of smartphones. This way you can do all your phone stuff quite nicely with your choice of MS phone but then when you need to do some content creation (spreadsheet, video editing, resume polishing, etc) you have a proper keyboard monitor combo. This matches people's common usage pattern where they have a cool new smartphone but a 4 year old laptop (who's battery lasts 8 minutes) mostly gathering dust. But when they need the laptop they really need it.

    This would also be nearly perfect for the road warrior. They effectively travel with one device. Also the keyboard/monitor thingy could be insanely thin with no HD, little circuitry, and potentially no cooling needs. Just one large thin battery, the keys, and the screen.

  12. Re:1 reason for 0 by radiumsoup · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I disagree - I've been using a Surface Pro since launch, and I love it. It has replaced my desktop computer and my Apple laptop that I had kept for reasons I've completely forgotten now. It may not be for you, but for my needs (mobile IT consultant for medium-sized businesses), it's perfect. Windows on a tablet DOES work, most assuredly. (Note, I don't mean RT, since that's mostly a reply to iOS anyway and not a target for desktop replacement)

  13. Not buying it by steveha · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From TFA:

    From a components standpoint, a 7-inch Surface RT tablet with a Qualcomm chip shouldn't cost much more to produce than the Nexus 7. If Google can afford to price the Nexus 7 at $199, then Microsoft can certainly aim for similar build quality at a similar price.

    This assumes that Microsoft is willing to give away Windows to hit the price point. This in turn means buying in on the "sell cheap razors, make money selling razor blades" idea, which Microsoft did actually try with the XBox, but would represent a change in strategy with respect to mobile.

    Can Microsoft make that decision quickly? I can imagine endless bickering among the multiple layers of middle management about whether that's a good idea or not.

    Also, Windows needs a more powerful device to run compared to Android, which drives up device costs.

    By producing multiple Surface RT models, Microsoft can reassure its partners that Windows RT is worth supporting.

    This is just fantasy. The OEMs are not happy about any aspect of the Surface situation (Microsoft making its own hardware in direct competition with the OEMs, lousy sales, etc.) and this sort of abstract reassurance is worthless.

    3. Microsoft needs device fanfare to accompany Windows 8.1, and to coincide with enterprise hardware upgrades.

    Again, just fantasy. Microsoft has completely failed to gin up any excitement around the current crop of Surface products and it's silly to just assume they can do better with a new product.

    Also, TFA suggests that "excitement over Windows 8.1" would help sell Surface tablets, and I don't think there will be enough excitement there to help anything.

    A larger Windows RT tablet might be attractive to a mobile salesperson, for instance, whereas a 7-inch model that syncs perfectly with a Surface Pro could be a nice secondary device for a traveling executive.

    Wow. Just, wow. Traveling executives who likely already have a Macbook Air and an iPad are going to get rid of them in favor of a Surface Pro and a baby Surface RT?

    Oh wait, I forgot, the new tablets will have Outlook so it's totally plausible! Yeah, no.

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  14. I Know, I Know! by Bob9113 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why Microsoft Needs 3 Surface Tablets

    Ooh, I know this one: Because that's how many they sold.

  15. They don't need 3 Surfaces, they need an xTab by Voyager529 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ballmer doesn't understand that the Windows brand represents one of two things:
    1.) That super locked down computer at work which forces me to use Excel and blocks Facebook and Youtube.
    2.) That super virus infested computer in the living room that the kids use to type up their reports.

    Neither of these are the kinds of experiences people want associated with their tablet experience; it's among the reasons why so many people have opted for them for casual use. If Microsoft is trying to make inroads into a market other than the desktop, then they need to use branding to their advantage by distancing itself from the desktop experience. As much as Ballmer believes that people want Windows everywhere, the spec sheet of Windows RT, almost by definition, ensures that its ONLY resemblance to the familiar desktop experience (even if we assume the positive aspects thereof) is the Windows name. No use of their iTunes library, and tricky-at-best use of Gmail and Dropbox.

    If Microsoft wants to compete in the tablet space, then it's not a matter of their lack of an entry-level device like the Nexus 7 - it's the lack of an entry POINT. Apple's entry point was the iPod, whose entry point was the fact that it played MP3s from both Napster and MusicMatch. Apple then established iTunes, which was the entry point for the iPhone, and then the iPad built upon that. Microsoft requires an Outlook.com account, Skydrive, Zune Music (or Xbox Music?), and rebuying the apps you already bought on your iPhone or Galaxy S2. Even if they gave away the entry level Surface, that's still far too much change for far too many people.

    Microsoft, here's my business plan for your next tablet...

    1.) Do what they say - make a 7", $199 entry level unit and a $499 extended unit. Call it the xTab, and the Pocket xTab. Have no Microsoft branding on it at all, and never once use the term "Windows".
    2.) Sell it (at the very least the Pocket xTab) wherever you can - Best Buy, Microcenter, Amazon, even Walgreens or Rite Aid. Make it as easy as possible to acquire one.
    3.) Do some sort of cross licensing deal - Office for Android in exchange for official Gmail for the xTab. Offer some free Azure space to Dropbox in exchange for an official client. Do the same for Facebook in exchange for an Instagram client.
    4.) Offer crossgrade app reimbursement - if a paid app from your iTunes account or Google Play account exists in the Microsoft Store, give it to the customer for free...then pay the developer what they would have gotten as a result of the sale. This will encourage developers on other platforms to develop the same app for the Windows Store. Similarly, provide copies of movies, TV episodes, and eBooks to people making the jump.
    5.) Get the Chevron team back in the game - your system hackers are your platform evangelists, and you need all the help you can get.
    6.) 16GB versions include 16GB of space available to the user.
    7.) Add the Start Menu back to Windows 8 as an option. It won't do squat on the tablet OS, but it will help get some good will from the people who are avoiding Windows 8 because it comes across as trying to force a tablet UI where it doesn't belong.
    8.) Free phone upgrades (to an xPhone, btw) to anyone still stuck on Windows Phone 7. Again, it's expensive, but Apple gets good will from giving older handsets software updates. Want to one-up them? You'll need a stack of Lumias to do it.

    Think it's too drastic or too expensive? I can't possibly see it costing more than the hit that Steve Ballmer's way of doing things cost the company.

  16. Not the problem by nine-times · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In my view, the problem with Microsoft's Surface is not really the product lineup. The problem is that, once again, Microsoft has a poor marketing vision, i.e. they're selling a product without a real place in the market.

    You might think I'm crazy, but iPads and Android tablets have a more clear place in the market. They're not full computers, we all know they're not full computers, but they allow us to do the things we'd do on our phones if our phones had bigger screens. There are enough people who want that kind of casual device.

    There might also be a market for a full-computer tablets, but that's a bit trickier. The problem is that, as we've seen, a good desktop UI won't work well on a small-screen touch device. Likewise, a good UI for a small-screen touch-device won't work well for a full desktop computer.

    Microsoft tried to meld the two, and in my opinion, they screwed up. The result looked pretty but wasn't good, and people don't like it. Meanwhile, Android users are basically happy with Android. iOS users are happy with iOS. Not many people really want to jump ship for a half-assed bastard child of desktop and tablet computing. Microsoft just needs to rethink the direction they took with Windows.

  17. RT should not be! by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Chant it with me. RT! Should not be!

    It serves no purpose at all except to fragment the market. If you go with Apple or Android, both of your portable devices are on the same basic level. I run mostly the same programs on my phone and tablet. Some run better on one than the other but very few apps that I use are not compatible with both devices.

    The Surface Pro gives users the option of putting their desktop and tablet on the same footing. This is awesome! It's an area that's been woefully underserved. There have been a handful of "full windows" tablets but they were heavy and thick and expensive. The Pro finally gives people a sleek tablet that runs their desktop apps.

    But WTF is RT supposed to do? It doesn't run the same apps as the desktop. It doesn't run the same apps as the phone. Unless developers completely re-write their apps to the Metro standard, there's no commonality.

  18. Re:1 reason for 0 by Dishwasha · · Score: 2

    I had seriously been looking at the Surface line and have evaluated them in person. First, I would like to state how surprised I was at how well the touchscreen interface works. It's not typical for Microsoft to get a technology right on the first try. On the other hand I recommend against the Surface RT in this respect. The Surface RT's touchscreen is sluggish, laggy, and choppy. Also, the keyboard add-on to the Surface RT has a very non-responsive feel to it, but the Surface Pro's keyboard does not have that issue. Second, I was impressed by how well these machines perform (not running any third-party applications) considering how little RAM they have in them. Windows Vista/7 famously chews through multi-gigs of RAM (not counting prefetch cache) and I wouldn't put less than 8Gigs of RAM in a Windows 7 computer. Windows 8 on the Surface Pro uses only about 1Gig of RAM which leaves around 3Gig remaining for apps. Regardless, I am continuously disappointed with hardware manufacturers and their continued pattern of building laptops and tablets with < 8Gig of Memory. Especially with i5/i7 CPUs there is really no excuse since the memory controller is in the processor, so no additional chips are needed. I decided against the Surface Pro due to the paltry 4Gig of RAM. If Microsoft can up that to a preferable 16Gig+ of RAM I would buy one immediately and would buy one at 8Gig depending on the price.

  19. Looking forward to Surface Pro 2 by ad454 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Surface Pro with type keyboard was by far the best ultra-light device in its size. When it was released, with its 1920x1080 display, pen input, touch screen, etc. it blew past the now outdated 11" MacBook air and anything else in that size.

    My only complaints was the glued down components and soldered RAM:

    http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Pro+Teardown/12842/1

    I hope that the next Surface Pro 2 has Haswell, and eliminates the component glue and soldered RAM, or at least offers a 6-8GB RAM option and 256-480HG mSATA drive option. Then it would be prefect for me. Hopefully with a newer Haswell chip, the fans can also be reduced or eliminated, and the battery life will increase.

    I am also eyeing the Haswell based Samsung ATIV Q, but at 13" it is a bit too large for me.

    I also love the thin but solid unibody construction of the Acer Aspire s7-191, but without a pen input (which is really needed for my graphic and CAD work), it does not meet my needs. Not to mention, that it appears that Acer is abandoning the 11" model, which did not yet get the Haswell refresh.

    On the Apple side, it is sad that Apple refuses to make a retina MacBook Air, even though the iPad3/4 has a 2048x1536 display compared to 1440x900 on 13" Air & 1366x768 on 11" Air, and also support pen input. Even though I much prefer Unix based OSX, for the first time in 8 years, I am planning to buy a Windows based laptop/tablet this year, instead of a Mac.

    I wonder if there is any Linux distribution in the works which might take full advantage of these new touch based ultralights/tablets?

    Hopefully manufactories will start to reduce the size of the large bezels around the display. With small devices, the smaller the bezel, the better the display.

  20. Re: microsoft store is nice by noh8rz10 · · Score: 2

    nothing wrong with having a tattoo or something discretely hidden, but when you get tattoos on your face, neck, lower arms, lower legs, then wear tshirt and shorts, it says something about you and is the first thing to introduce yourself. so you have to be ready for people to judge you based on your tattoos, and I think it shows poor judgement and life decisions.

  21. The problem is not "OEM skepticism" by msobkow · · Score: 2

    The problem with Windows RT tablets is not "OEM skepticism." It's the poor sales numbers and utter lack of market share by a public who doesn't want a crippled machine that can do little besides surf and read emails.

    The OEMs were willing to give it a shot. Reality soon kicked in and now they're dumping their RT product plans in droves.

    RT is a complete and utter failure.

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  22. Re: microsoft store is nice by Belial6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You are lying to yourself. It is common among people that want to be 'edgy'. Tattoos are a persons personal business. When you take your personal business and publicly display it, you are in a literal sense, asking people to judge you personally. If I wear a T-Shirt with a picture on it, I am fully aware that people will make judgements about me based on that. In fact, I am aware that it is intentional. If I wear my T-Shirt with Pac-Man on it, I am telling the world that I like old school arcade games. Conversely, if I wear underwear with Pac-Man on it, I am telling only a select few something about myself.

    The same goes for tattoos, except, choosing a T-Shirt and underwear is less a sign of deep commitment to the subject and/or bad life choices.

  23. 3 tablets should do it. by JustNiz · · Score: 4, Funny

    ..Why Microsoft Needs 3 Surface Tablets: ...to cash in on user interest in Windows 8.1, which will be released later this fall.

    Yeah you're right. 3 Tablets should about do it. There probably won't be as many as 4 people with "user interest" in Windows 8.1.

  24. Re: microsoft store is nice by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Showing off tattoos is much like wearing a t-shirt, shorts, and sandals: you may feel comfortable that way, but that doesn't mean it's acceptable in a business environment (depends on the business, of course, but retail is often conservative) . Dressing up shows respect for those you meet, and in particular showing respect for customers you meet is often a good plan. Not always, of course: in some businesses, your customers might be insulted if you imply that they are "respectable".

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  25. Re:1 reason for 0 by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the confusion between the Surface Pro and RT may go down as one of the biggest branding mistakes of the 21st century.

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  26. Re: microsoft store is nice by noh8rz10 · · Score: 2

    Only if their criteria for judgement measures against your own. Also, their judgement needs to matter to you.

    well, if you're working retail, and you're trying to sell me something, I would hope that you're concerned about how your physical appearance affects your job!

  27. Re:microsoft store is nice by Pseudonym · · Score: 3, Funny

    This explains why Apple has design patents on mobile devices without sharp edges that you could use to hurt casual employees.

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