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Studying the Slow Decay of a Laptop Battery For an Entire Year

First time accepted submitter jradavenport writes "I've been keeping a log of the health of my MacBook Air battery for the past year, taking samples every minute I use the computer (152,411 readings so far!). This has allowed me to study both my own computing/work habits, but also the fascinating rapid decay of battery capacity. Comparing it to my previous 2009 MacBook Pro, the battery in this 2012 Air is degrading much faster."

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  1. Ah, I see the problem. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

    You're discharging it wrong, don't do that.

    1. Re:Ah, I see the problem. by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Informative

      You have to do that every once in awhile if you want the battery status indicator to be correct. This is because the voltage curve is so flat there really is no other way to determine level of charge other than to count power out and calibrate what the battery should hold periodically.

    2. Re:Ah, I see the problem. by PhotoJim · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you don't care if the battery gauge is inaccurate, you should never cycle the battery completely. Lithiums thrive with frequent top-ups.

      Unfortunately, having a useful gauge is handy so it's useful to cycle the battery occasionally.

      I rarely use battery power deep into a battery's cycle so I don't worry too much about it.

  2. Survey says... by djupedal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's see the comparative graph where you did identical tracking over time for both, instead of detailed now against casual before, which seems a bit weak. I'd also like to see how you factor out the constant logging's effect as well.

    1. Re:Survey says... by BoRegardless · · Score: 5, Informative

      We live with what we got now. That is life. But ...

      Within a few years that will change with lithium-sulfur batteries if the lab geeks have anything to say about it.

      http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/157525-new-sulfur-based-battery-is-safer-cheaper-more-powerful-than-lithium-ion

    2. Re:Survey says... by aclarke · · Score: 4, Informative

      PROTIP: MacBook Air batteries aren't removable (in that sense).

    3. Re:Survey says... by gnasher719 · · Score: 5, Informative

      PROTIP: Remove your laptop battery if you are running from the mains most of the time and keep it in a cool drawer somewhere.

      MacTip: DON'T. Your Mac automatically scales back its clock speed to 1 GHz tops. Brownouts can crash your computer immediately because there is no battery to supply power. Magsafe connectors and no battery are an obvious bad combination. And you'll get dust into your computer.

    4. Re:Survey says... by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 4, Funny

      No no. It's more lithiumy.

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  3. Love my MacBook Air, hate the battery by geek · · Score: 5, Informative

    I got 10 hours of battery life on my 2011 macbook air when I first got it. I don't just mean 10 hours of it sitting idle either. I could get 7 hours of continuous play of movies. Then Mountain Lion came out and I was lucky to get 3 hours tops. That lasted 6 months until they "fixed" it and I was able to get 5 again. Now in I can consistently get 4 hours with it sitting mostly idle.

    I love the machine but I hate that I cant change the battery myself. I'll have to pay the Apple tax to get this fixed. I am holding out hope for Mavericks though, hopefully the power saving features can breathe some new life into this thing.

    1. Re:Love my MacBook Air, hate the battery by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Informative

      What do you mean you can't change the battery?
      Do you not own a screw driver? And you call yourself a geek.

      http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Installing+MacBook+Air+Models+A1237+and+A1304+Battery/848/1

    2. Re:Love my MacBook Air, hate the battery by samkass · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I love the machine but I hate that I cant change the battery myself. I'll have to pay the Apple tax to get this fixed. I am holding out hope for Mavericks though, hopefully the power saving features can breathe some new life into this thing.

      If you are willing to unscrew two dozen little screws, the battery swap-out is actually pretty easy according to iFixit. Of course, the battery itself will cost you over $100 bucks new, and Apple only charges about $120 installed, so the only real reason to do it yourself is if you live far away from an Apple Store and don't trust a carrier service with your laptop.

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  4. Re:Two Things by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Funny

    1) It's "without further ado," not adieu.

    You're making much adieu about nothing.

    Cockadieudledoo!

  5. Re:Laugh by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bad batteries something Apple is famous for, RAM fixed to the logic board, insecure and buggy OS, and a host of other complaints makes me wonder why anyone pays the premium for Apple any longer.

    Presumably the same reason someone pays big bucks to drink coffee made from coffee beans that have been in a civet's anus.

  6. Re:Laugh by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple get the same batteries from the same places everyone else does. They're as fungible as AAs at this point.

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  7. Re:Power storage that doesn't degrade... by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because of the whole host of other problems with that suggestion.
    Here is a small set of them, there are many more
    1. expensive fuel cell
    2. low density storage unless you go with expensive metal hydrides
    3. H2 embrittles everything
    4. far cheaper to make H2 via steam reformation of natural gas than electrolysis

  8. Perfectly valid by Russ1642 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I love studies with a sample size of one. No statistics, no variability. Definitive.

    1. Re:Perfectly valid by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, because the author insisted that it was the definitive study on how all Macbook batteries behave, so we've got to hold him to that standard. I'll go further: this cad didn't even have this published in Physical Review Letters, much less Science or Nature. He didn't even get it peer reviewed, and... my God, there's no conflict of interest statement! Who was his ethics board?!

      Sweet Jesus, I'll bet he isn't even working in a laboratory!

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  9. Siiiiigh, the SMC provides an ESTIMATE by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Calculated battery capacity is an estimate, nothing more, used by power management to decide when the computer should be force-slept, then suspended to disk to keep from damaging the battery (ie, it's not useful to wake up too late from sleep to do the suspend-to-disk.)

    The SMC's estimate is just that: an estimate. Errors build up over time, and certain things fake it out a bit. For example, note the capacity, unplug the laptop, use it for 30 minutes, plug it in. Immediately the value will be different. It'll change again when fully charged. Your battery capacity didn't actually change. Even in a perfect world, since batteries have internal resistance, capacity gauges can never be perfect(if you draw at X you'll get less power out than if you draw out at X*0.8), and the battery's capacity varies with temperature. Battery degradation is impacted by temperature as well, so unless you're controlling for temperature of the pack, this was a completely useless endeavor. The only way this would have been useful would've been to cycle several (probably a dozen or more) batteries on lab-grade equipment in a temperature-controlled environment.

    The noise and big upward swings alone should tell you that using the SMC's estimate for the purposes of statistical analysis or trending is virtually useless.

    The stupid shit I see "enthusiasts" of any product obsess over is absurd. The time wasted on such an exercise far outweighs the impact it possibly could have had on the author (and probably even 9-10 other people combined.) The batteries last for well over 6 hours. Most people using a ultrabook with the battery life of a Macbook Air have plenty of opportunities to charge their machines during the course of a day.

    1. Re:Siiiiigh, the SMC provides an ESTIMATE by ssam · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You get around the error in the estimate by looking at a large number of readings. There are plots showing that the style of usage has not changed with time, so I don't see how the downward drift could be caused by something like sampling when the battery is full or when its empty. I am also fairly sure that when you do a full cycle that lets the battery controller recalibrate. The 'study' may not be perfect, but I have never seen a better one (studies on discharging cells at constant currents and temperatures don't tell you all that much about laptops).

      Yes temperature is an issue for batteries. But the temperature of a laptop battery is dominated by the design of the laptop, and how much current is being drawn (or charged) to it. Maybe the previous macbook pro was only used in a aircon'ed office and the macbook air is being used in a steel mill, but i think that would have been mentioned.

      This study only covers 2 laptops (and only one in high detail), but its worth 10 times all the battery anecdotes that you hear around the web because it contains measurements. I hope some more people try his script, and post the results.

  10. On Apple you don't need to remove the battery!!! by tibit · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It shows that you don't know the details of Apple's power delivery architecture. Magsafe-equipped Apple laptops are intentionally crippled in that the charger is artificially disabled if you use an unauthorized one. There's a chip in the magsafe plug that connects to the middle pin and is interrogated by the system management on the mainboard. If the interrogation fails, you can still use the power source, but the charger is disabled.

    All it takes not to charge the battery is to cover the middle magsafe pin. I've done it by keeping in use one charger with a bad magsafe plug where the chip had died. Died how? Ah, exposure to the saliva of a 1 year old, he liked to lick those plugs, they admittedly taste "funny" since they are energized :)

    That way you have the best of both worlds: you don't lose your work if the magsafe plug is kicked loose, and you don't charge the battery if you don't want to. Win-Win.

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