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Write Windows Phone Apps, No Code Required

jfruh writes "One of the biggest challenges Microsoft has faced with its Windows Phone platform is that it's far behind in the apps race against iOS and Android. One way to close the gap is to lower the barrier to entry for new app devs, and Microsoft has done so with Windows Phone App Studio, a hosted service that lets you build applications without actually writing any code. The description of how App Studio works may leave you wondering how useful or exciting the apps created will be, but a surge of developer interest during the current beta program has surprised even Microsoft with its scope."

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  1. Windows 8 woohoo! by hawkinspeter · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, it has come to this.

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    1. Re:Windows 8 woohoo! by cristiroma · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Writing "apps" like this is like making websites in MS Word

    2. Re:Windows 8 woohoo! by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Funny

      Fart apps! Now three times as easy!

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    3. Re:Windows 8 woohoo! by Defenestrar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Haven't used the App Studio - remember that Myst was written in HyperCard and there's plenty of other examples in that vein.

      While in an entirely different class, LabVIEW is a graphical programming language which is quite powerful (true language / direct compiler). Simple/easy to code/read doesn't mean lousy or weak software. Besides, quality is usually pretty unrelated to code (other than some cases of performance).

    4. Re:Windows 8 woohoo! by AndyAndyAndyAndy · · Score: 5, Funny

      I still have a hard time believing people sit down and code those.

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    5. Re:Windows 8 woohoo! by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Informative

      While in an entirely different class, LabVIEW is a graphical programming language which is quite powerful (true language / direct compiler).

      Oh fuck no.

      LabVIEW makes it moderately OK to control some stuff provided your control and logging and whatever system can be somewhat easily represented by a circuit diagram like construction.

      In other words, it makes the easy bit of controlling stuff almost trivial to the user.

      The trouble is that then the usre wants to do something a bit more complex and the simple, easy to use circuit diagram like thing turns into a mega evil rats nest of doom.

      All projects lasting more than about a week end up tending towards a rats nest of doom.

      What astonishes me is the amazing quantity of effort people will put in to *not* learning how to simply code it.

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    6. Re:Windows 8 woohoo! by Requiem18th · · Score: 3

      Oh I see the obligatory xkcd comic http://xkcd.com/1022/

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    7. Re:Windows 8 woohoo! by N0Man74 · · Score: 3, Funny

      if you've developed for android you'd know a "simple" fart app requires quite a bit of effort to ensure it works across all devices & flavors of android.

      I'm sorry, but your statement does not pass the smell test.

  2. Re:CAN you write code for it? by DougOtto · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, but you have to do it entirely from the touch screen, using only colored blocks.

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  3. A contradiction in terms? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you're creating an application that hasn't existed yet, you're instructing the computer as to how to do something, i.e., you're programming, i.e., you're creating code in one way or another. Either that, or the environment is so limited as to make the "write apps" part completely meaningless.

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    1. Re:A contradiction in terms? by SJHillman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not really a contradiction, it's just adding a layer between the dev and the actual code. Think WYSIWYG web editors that have been around forever. You're still building a website, it's just showing the computer what you want and letting it generate the actual code. It's really not a lot different than coding in C# and then having it compiled into binary... you're just creating the program at a level even further away from what the computer will actually run. Of course, like the WYSIWYG web editors, the code will almost certainly be sloppy and inefficient compared to coding it yourself, but it opens up the market for basic apps to people that otherwise couldn't/wouldn't make them.

    2. Re:A contradiction in terms? by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can make a pretty usable website using only WYSIWYG editors, so why not an app? The two really aren't that different considering they're both aimed at the casual/amateur market.

    3. Re:A contradiction in terms? by SQLGuru · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The same could be said about machine language instructions. You aren't really creating new ones, you are just putting them together in a different order with different values loaded into the registers.

    4. Re:A contradiction in terms? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Informative

      You are not creating new lego bricks, you are just moving them around and coloring on them

      So it's very much like moving x86 instructions around and putting them next to each other?

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    5. Re:A contradiction in terms? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      it's just adding a layer between the dev and the actual code.

      The problem is that nobody knows what that "actual code" is supposed to be. Do you mean the computational process? Because there will always be a layer between the programmer and the computational process, even if you program in machine code. Every time someone finds a new abstraction to programming, people will come out and start shouting "that's not programming, that's cheating!", but there is no free lunch. That reminds me of the wonderful “Now that we have Cobol, can we get rid of all those beatnik programmers?” quote, courtesy of US military, 1960s or so. No, you can't, it's still programming, even if you manage to do more work in less time, it's still qualitatively very much the same activity.

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  4. W.Y.S.I.W.Y.G... by Ashenkase · · Score: 3, Funny

    is S.H.I.T.

  5. Re:like GameMaker all over again by cerebralpayne · · Score: 3, Informative
  6. Obligatory clippy quote by DeathToBill · · Score: 4, Funny

    You seem to be writing an app. Would you like help?

    Here's betting this will be just as useful.

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  7. Re:like GameMaker all over again by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Click N' Play was great -- heavy on the GUI with some very light scripting to tie more complex events together, and you could create a pretty wide variety of games so long as they were 2D.

  8. Puruse the forums of any ios/android app engines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you check the unity3d forums, you will see a few hundred people that have a great idea for a game and it always reads sort of like this:
    It's like, so basically... it's Skyrim for iOS/Android. So who wants to code this for me? Obviously since I am the idea man I will keep the MILLJIONS of dollars it will make, because writing code is easy, I just don't have time to learn because I am too important or have ADD. I did find some great free models on turbosquid though, just need someone to make them move.. what's it called, rigging? Oh and texture too. Since I did the hard part of finding these models, that last part should be really simple, but I'll pay you out of the HUGE profits of my game.

    Well Microsoft, I applaud you. You have given these idea men, these mental giants, a fertile ground of milk and honey! We lowly coders and artists will sorely miss them in our forums, but wish them bon voyage on this, their great and noble endeavor!

  9. Quantity instead of quality by Begemot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    check the top free apps - none could be made without code
    it looks like MS wants quantity instead of quality - no wonder the only informative thing TFA has is the number of users and projects.

    1. Re:Quantity instead of quality by umafuckit · · Score: 3, Funny

      it looks like MS wants quantity instead of quality

      How's that any different to 95% of the crap on the Apple and Google stores?

  10. Re:CAN you write code for it? by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 3, Informative

    I had to make some of those Access applications. *shudder*

    Nothing like writing code where you have to fight the very environment you're writing it in.

  11. I think it's a great idea... by lord_mike · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One of the big drawbacks of Apple is the idea that you should be able to easily use apple products to promote creativity, as long as the creativity doesn't involve creating an "app" or programming an Apple product in any personal way. At that point, you're shoved into massive restrictions, high cost, and weird programming languages to discourage kids and novices from coding. Android is much more open with their philosophy, but their tools are hardly user friendly for the curious would-be programmer. Microsoft is being smart here and sticking with their roots. While Apple diverged from what made them a big company in the first place (the openness and flexibility of the Apple II), Microsoft seems to be returning to their core philosophy of "Developers, developers, developers" of all types, shapes and sizes. Remember that Microsoft got its start with BASIC for beginning programmers, and one of their biggest products of all time has been Visual Basic--a tool for simple programming. Allowing people to easily create smartphone content for themselves is one easy and smart way to differentiate themselves from their competitors. It seems that after flirting with the idea that they must copy Apple, Microsoft has hopefully decided to do what Microsoft does best--make semi-open systems that are easy to program and customize for users.

  12. Re:Nobody cares by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, these things last forever. It's going to be a cottage industry that never dies, like FrontPage websites and Access databases.

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  13. Re:Has anyone used this for non-trivial apps? by SQLGuru · · Score: 3, Informative

    One thing not called out is that you can actually download the Solution File once you are done (also, you also have the option to deploy to devices outside of the app store). So, you can use the App Builder for prototyping and then get the solution code when you are ready to take your app further.

    So, even if you view it as simple, it can be useful.

  14. Re:Android had something like this by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Informative

    Android had something like this, and I believe it went the way of the dodo.

    Not quite. It went to MIT: http://appinventor.mit.edu/

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  15. Re:Has anyone used this for non-trivial apps? by SJHillman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Which puts it right on par with Android and iOS

  16. Re:Nobody cares by ArhcAngel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even Microsoft tells their customers Access is crap but as long as people continue to buy copies they keep updating it! I can't even get one of our groups to use the free version of MS SQL because Access is "easier" despite the fact we will not support them. If the 1 programmer they have leaves their project is toast.

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  17. Re:Nobody cares by plover · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why was it a "horrible" experience? Did filemaker pro somehow fill your crankcase with 90 weight grease and wreck your engine? Did the DOS program spray poop-scented air freshener beneath your seat?

    Or did you just see someone using an old DOS program that's doing exactly what the business owner needs without costing him a ton of money? Doesn't sound too horrible to me.

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