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New Drug Mimics the Beneficial Effects of Exercise

Zothecula writes "A drug known as SR9009, which is currently under development at The Scripps Research Institute, increases the level of metabolic activity in skeletal muscles of mice. Treated mice become lean, develop larger muscles and can run much longer distances simply by taking SR9009, which mimics the effects of aerobic exercise. If similar effects can be obtained in people, the reversal of obesity, metabolic syndrome, and perhaps Type-II diabetes might be the very welcome result."

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  1. The alternative by Major+Ralph · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or you know, people could just go outside for a walk.

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    1. Re:The alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      How well has that worked so far?

    2. Re:The alternative by LoRdTAW · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Easier said than done.

    3. Re:The alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Great idea for those of us that can't walk (7 year survivor of bone marrow cancer, taking 3 kinds of pain meds just to be able to walk the minimum distances required for work and living)...

      Biking and swimming (only in heated pools) are my only kinds of exercise that I can do on a regular basis.

    4. Re:The alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or you know, people could just go outside for a walk.

      I'd rather do a few hours of overtime every week ... so I can afford to buy pills and avoid all that WORK.

    5. Re:The alternative by roninmagus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ain't nobody got time for that. I say bring on the pills.

    6. Re:The alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How about those who can't? Muscle wasting is a major problem that complicates a variety of injuries and conditions, this could be a breakthrough for many people just wanting to live with more mobility and less pain.

      But then I guess that doesn't occur to the blinkered "fuck you" generation.

    7. Re:The alternative by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Funny

      How about if I just change my facebook profile picture?

    8. Re:The alternative by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Note to people in the future reading this, with healthy sexy bodies in spite of eating 25,000 calories a day of bleu cheese wrapped in burger wrapped in breadding, deep fried and dipped in cream cheese sauce: this is what we have to put up with.

      Memes as offboard quasi-DNA guiding behavior, guiding social pecking orders and reproduction (of DNA and memes). "Fucking fatass" is more about raising the speaker in his mind's eye as to social status vis-a-vis the ladies, by putting down as defective behaviours you in the future are no longer are concerned with. Similar to "fucking heathen" might be to us.

      Most people don't realize their brain is little more than the meme equivalent of the cellular chemicals doing DNA's bidding. How lucky you are, not having to deal with this, and only your ant overlords.

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    9. Re:The alternative by skids · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not being a "Fat Ass" myself, I personally think everyone who goes around verbally abusing obese people is a pindick.

      But then, not being a puny pindick myself, I actually make friends, some of which are in fact obese, so I can see how a stupid pindick would be limited by their own assinine personality and never get the same perspective I have had,

    10. Re:The alternative by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, there are stationary bikes for "spinning" in pools. They use paddles on the wheels for resistance while giving the added benefit of being in a heated pool.

      While nothing is better than the benefits of actual exercise, a pill such as this would make a big difference, as you noted, with people with mobility problems.

      I, personally, have Type 2 diabetes and love to cycle (not "spin"). I also have achilles tendonitis in BOTH ankles that flares up all the time resulting in excruciating pain. It would be nice to get some of the benefits of exercise on those days when it's just difficult to walk. If it could help get my A1C down, that alone would be exciting. Another benefit of lower A1C???? Better circulation and less inflammation - benefits all around. Bring it on!!!

    11. Re:The alternative by jc42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I could be reading this wrong, but it looks like life expectancy is trending upwards since the 50's. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005148.html

      You could be reading it wrong. Note that it explicitly says "life expectancy at birth". There has been a lot of criticism of this sort of things from statistics-enabled researchers, who point out that almost all of the life-expectancy gains in the past century have been through elimination of most early-childhood deaths. Life expentancy at birth has increased, but the life expectancy of someone 30 or 60 years old hasn't actually changed much.

      There has been a bit of publicity around related topics lately. Thus, there has been a lot of discussion of the apparent fact that the increase in mammograms has produced no measurable increase in lifetime, just an increase in medical bills for the testing (and the "treatment" of false positives ;-). Similar statistical problems have been reported for prostate-cancer screening, and for an assortment of other medical tests.

      Another statistical trick used to make things look better than they are is the common practice of giving cancer survival rates in terms of survival 5 years after diagnosis. This means, for example, that if you were to come up with a new test that diagnoses a cancer 5 years earlier than any existing test, your test would result in a 100% "cure" rate even with no further treatment, and no change in the death statistics. I've heard a couple of interviews in which the interviewer points out this problem, and the interviewee just continues talking about the same "5-year survival" figures.

      In general, it seems that if you're over 10 years old, modern medicine really hasn't done much in increase your (statistical) lifespan, though it is sometimes fairly good at extracting money for treatments that don't increase lifespan.

      (Perhaps some of the treatments improve quality of life, but the statistics for that don't seem to be widely studied or reported. It might be interesting to be shown wrong in this regard, however. OTOH, there has been a bit of media coverage lately of the problems with "treatment" of false positives.)

      (And a more general problem here is that the general public -- and the media -- is generally ignorant of even the most basic statistical concepts.)

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    12. Re:The alternative by Macgrrl · · Score: 5, Informative

      Recent studies have shown that shaming obese people leads to greater weight gain, not weight loss.

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    13. Re:The alternative by hedwards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, it's not. Instead of watching that 4th hour of television every night, spend a half hour or so and walk around the block a few times. Cut out all the dairy and wheat products and there you've probably avoided most of the crap that the pill is supposed to cure.

      I literally lost 25 pounds walking a half hour a day and cutting out the dairy, wheat and a lot of the superfluous carbs. At no point did I feel sick, tired or particularly hungry, in fact I felt and looked better than I had in years as my digestive track went back to a healthier state and my blood wasn't full of the crap that's in the usual American diet.

      It doesn't take that much work to eat and live healthily, it just requires some commitment to your heatlh and a willingness to give your body the kind of foods and exercise that it evolved dealing with. You don't need to eat just because it's dinner time, you eat when your body gets hungry, and I mean hungry, not just a craving to eat.

    14. Re:The alternative by JabberWokky · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This isn't meant to sound cruel but I've personally never met anyone that was so unfit they could not exercise or change their diet in some way that would help.

      You are young and healthy and have never met anybody who was dealt a bad hand genetically or suffered a crippling accident or infection. Get north of 50 after a life of minor accidents, or hang out with young people who have two pacemakers, biweekly seizures and a heart that leaks blood when it beats, and you'll find that not everybody is physically capable of what you envision everybody as able to do. Sometimes it is as simple as a quick infection of the pericardium and heart as a young child. Other times it is something work related like the other car driving into a ditch atop your ATV while you were both pursuing a suspect in the dark. It can even be their fault: I've known people thrown out of the back of pickup trucks who live with a solid brace bolted into their spinal column. It doesn't matter: it is their reality, and they have to deal with what they can do. Eating well, exercising in the pool, doing exactly what their doctors tell them to, but still unable to really be fit.

      These are the people who need help beyond mere "exercise and a change in their diet". There are people living beyond your sphere of experience who can benefit greatly from things like this.

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  2. This can't end well by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it seems too good to be true...

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    1. Re:This can't end well by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think "getting laid" will be in there somewhere so I welcome the extra eyeball or two...

    2. Re:This can't end well by Russ1642 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Screw the side effects. Add it to the water supply.

    3. Re:This can't end well by Applekid · · Score: 4, Funny

      Do you get to choose the gender(s) of the person(people) you get laid with (by)? Or do you not really care?

      I'm not gay, but it's nice to get a little attention every now and then.

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    4. Re:This can't end well by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Good for the welfare generation, maybe. Entitled little shits who want everything but don't want to put in the work."

      Are boats just for lazy fucks who are too good to swim, and computers for people who lack the moral fiber for doing math in their heads?

      Why is 'putting in the work', when an engineering solution (may, research is still preliminary) offer a labor saving method of solving the same problem? Is all of applied science and engineering immoral laziness, or is there some special virtue to sweating and grunting?

    5. Re:This can't end well by reverseengineer · · Score: 4, Informative

      SR9009 is available for research purposes, $150 for 25 mg. From the structure, I would say it's likely to be only slightly soluble in water; also, the only solubility data given is in DMSO. It requires storage by refrigeration or freezing, and comes packaged under inert gas, so I would say its environmental persistence would be rather low. I don't know if a molecule like this would be stable enough for oral administration, actually. In their mouse study, injections were made.

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  3. Speculation by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Biology being what it is, it's reasonable to think that the health benefits of exercise are a multi-factor phenomenon and that any one chemical will deliver fewer benefits than the real thing.

    Then the odds are that the drug won't be bio-equivalent to the chemical signals released by real exercise and will have side effects as a result.

    1. Re:Speculation by mangu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or it could also be the exact opposite, perhaps it will give us the benefits of exercise without the downsides, such as the increased wear and tear in the body that exercise causes.

    2. Re:Speculation by berashith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is a large segment of people that will say things like " running causes arthritis in your knees". This is what I was directing my comment at. Running, on its own, does not cause your knees to become weak or necessarily damaged. There is a chance of an injury occurring, but that does not mean that people should not exercise in general.

      there is nothing different from "exercise over time leads to injury" and "being alive for a long time leads to injury" . Sitting at a bus stop has risks, sitting in your house has risks, walking anywhere can have one bad step that can do absurd amounts of permanent damage. None of this means that exercise will cause injury.

      I have a permanent injury to a shoulder, so I somewhat understand your perspective .It happened from several odd falls, and then one day it came out while lifting a bucket and tore things up when it slid back in. I will never be able to do a pullup unless I can nearly one arm it with the other side.

      My statement is not ignorant, it was targeted at people who are misinformed and loud, and the opposite of ignorant. Like I said, because of science. If it is arrogant, it is only because of the number of times I have to hear the nonsense about the cause (not risk) of injury being exercise.

  4. Re:I call bullshit. by sycodon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Soon, there will be two kinds of nerds: Those on SR9009 and those they beat up.

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  5. Needs a catchier name by senorpoco · · Score: 5, Funny

    XtremeShred, Fatbusterone, Buffadrine2000. Additionally they should only market it using annoying popup ads and late night television.

  6. Side effects. by wcrowe · · Score: 5, Funny

    I will probably work great... except for the anal leakage.

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    1. Re:Side effects. by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Funny

      I will probably work great... except for the anal leakage.

      Sorry, that side effect is patented by Olestra. You need to find another one.

  7. Would probably be outlawed... by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Steroids, contrary to the public perception, can be used responsibly and with few health consequences, especially by men, to more easily lose fat and gain muscle.

    It's not quite a free lunch, you can't sit on your couch and become Ronnie Coleman, but it will accelerate things.

    Oops, sorry. Because we must protect the "integrity" of sports (and the money they bring in) we decided Steroids should be scheduled drugs

    They'd probably do the same thing if something like this actually worked.

    1. Re:Would probably be outlawed... by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Insightful

      can be used responsibly and with few health consequences

      Other than these.......

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    2. Re:Would probably be outlawed... by localman57 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, it's terrible to think that professional sports players should actually be rewarded for training and talent rather than drugs.

      I'm so sick of people lecturing me about how bad steroids are, so why don't you SHUT UP! I've got half a mind to come over there and RIP YOUR HEAD OFF just for saying that! What? You gonna look at me like that? THAT'S IT!

    3. Re:Would probably be outlawed... by DutchUncle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've never understood why you can't get them (perhaps with a doctor's prescription) if you're NOT participating in anything where they are banned. I'm not a pro athlete, I'm not looking to cheat anyone, I'm just a man over 55 who would like my workouts and cycling to be as effective as they were 20 years ago.

    4. Re:Would probably be outlawed... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Funny

      I, for one, might actually tune in if genetic engineering can bring us horrible, superhuman, freak-athletes.

    5. Re:Would probably be outlawed... by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've never understood why you can't get them (perhaps with a doctor's prescription) if you're NOT participating in anything where they are banned. I'm not a pro athlete, I'm not looking to cheat anyone, I'm just a man over 55 who would like my workouts and cycling to be as effective as they were 20 years ago.

      You can. Go to a doctor and get your testosterone level checked. Most men over 55 have low testosterone and can get their doctor to prescribe some testosterone supplements. I used to work out with a guy in his 50s that was on it. He could bench press over 300lbs. It seemed to work for him. It's not steroids, but its the same idea.

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    6. Re:Would probably be outlawed... by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 3, Informative

      It literally is steroids, that's what replacement Testosterone is. One of the most effective steroids is good old fashioned Test. But generally your doctor will not take you to levels above that of a normal 20 year old man, for example.

  8. Ethyl-3-(((4-chlorobenzyl)((5-nitrothiophen-2-yl)m by MRe_nl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I always thought exercise mimicked the beneficial effects of drugs.

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  9. Exercise is a luxury in US culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When one MUST commute 45 minutes one way, work a ten hour day, commute another 45 minutes - traffic permitting, eat, do chores, etc .. getting proper exercise is challenging to say the least.

    I'm a real fitness nut and I have to plan my day pretty carefully and set some strict limits on other people's demands on my time.

    It's extremely difficult in technology since the culture is to live to work and live at work - if you're not constantly in front of the computer, then something is wrong with you.

    1. Re:Exercise is a luxury in US culture by NatasRevol · · Score: 3, Insightful

      one MUST commute 45 minutes one way, work a ten hour day, commute another 45 minutes

      No, just no.

      Or you value your life very little.

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    2. Re:Exercise is a luxury in US culture by NatasRevol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You don't do anyone any favors by implying that your suggestions are trivial.

      I implied no such thing. If you can't see they're not trivial, you have bigger issues.

      I quit my job, moved across the country (without selling my old house), without a cushy job to fall into, just so I could spend more of my life with my family and less of it having to work to pay for that.

      So don't whine when you say you can't. You're just scared to.

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    3. Re:Exercise is a luxury in US culture by JazzLad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thank you, was reading the entire thread before doing so, but was about to make the very same comment. I am sick to death of successful people suggesting that all you have to do is exactly what they did to be successful.

      It's not that I'm a failure, I am quite content with life at the moment, but I have had enough life experiences to know better than to think that friends of mine that struggle more than I do are just lazy or stupid. We all have our own burdens and situations and not everyone will be in a better position if they quit a horrible job.

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  10. Make it a beer additive by rtgree01 · · Score: 5, Funny

    That way I can work on my 6-pack

  11. Impacts all muscles by crow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A drug that tricks the body to respond as if it has been exercising will work on all muscles. Real exercise only works on the muscles that you use. Overuse of this drug would be expected to cause muscle growth where you don't want it. Bulk up those facial muscles.

    Sure, in limited cases, this could be great. I'm thinking of cases where people can't exercise, using this in low doses to reduce the length of rehabilitation. Stuck in bed for a month or two due to a car accident? This is for you.

    Of course, if it works, it will be abused. Need to get that extra edge for the Tour de France?

    1. Re:Impacts all muscles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sounds like something perfect for extended periods of space flight.

    2. Re:Impacts all muscles by Applekid · · Score: 4, Funny

      A drug that tricks the body to respond as if it has been exercising will work on all muscles. Real exercise only works on the muscles that you use. Overuse of this drug would be expected to cause muscle growth where you don't want it. Bulk up those facial muscles.

      Why yes I would like to lift a car by wiggling my ear.

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  12. How about a drug that cures laziness? by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Funny

    It would have the same beneficial effects of SR9009 plus the laundry would always be done.

    1. Re:How about a drug that cures laziness? by bhagwad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dude...I've built up my laziness carefully over the years. Nurturing it and giving it the freedom to breath and achieve its potential. Why...oh why would I want to take something to destroy all my patience?

  13. Re:I call bullshit. by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It must be comforting to "know" that a study must be false by virtue of the fact that you disagree with its conclusion.

    Why not? It works for politics.

  14. Drumroll... by JeanCroix · · Score: 3, Funny

    ..And I hear ARod is already being investigated for it.

  15. Gravity pills by steveha · · Score: 4, Informative

    One of the problems facing astronauts: long periods of microgravity cause bone and muscle loss. I've read science fiction stories where people had to take pills to maintain their bones and muscles; they called them "gravity pills".

    If this drug really works, I'm wondering if the astronauts in the space station, future Mars missions, etc. might wind up taking it drug routinely.

    Probably a Mars mission will need to have some sort of rotating crew module to produce a gravity-like acceleration, as it will likely require at least seven months for the trip.

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  16. Re:I call bullshit. by invid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Exercise doesn't make you healthy, it's your body's response to exercise that makes you healthy. Of course it can be simulated.

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  17. Re:Oops by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess that money I shelled out for an exercise bike to slouch on while I watch Food Network shows was wasted, huh?

    Turn your exercise bike to face away from the TV, turn on Fox and Friends and pretend they're chasing you. Those extra pounds will come off in no time. :-)

    [ Ahhhhh... Steve Doocy is right behind me .... Must... peddle... faster... ]

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  18. Might not work for healthy people by erice · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From TFA:

    Previous studies on mice lacking Rev-ErbA showed decreased skeletal muscles, metabolic rate, and running capacity. Such mice appeared fated by their genetics to live as couch potatoes.

    When Burris' group administered SR9009 to these mice to activate the Rev-Erb protein, the results were remarkable. The metabolic rate in the skeletal muscles of the mice increased significantly. The treated mice were not allowed to exercise, but despite this they developed the ability to run about 50 percent further before being stopped by exhaustion.

    So they created some broken mice and then treated them with a drug that reversed what they broke. And, what do you know? The effects were reversed too.

    I'd like to see a followup on unmodified mice to see if they also benefit. If Rev-ErbA is already present and active at normal levels, the drug may not do anything.

  19. Re:Oops by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Funny

    Or, depending on your politics, try MSNBC: "Rachel Maddow is after me! Peddle for your life!"

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