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Bradley Manning Wants To Live As a Woman

Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "Reuters reports that Bradley Manning, the U.S. soldier sentenced to 35 years in military prison for the biggest breach of classified documents in the nation's history, says he is female and wants to live as a woman named Chelsea. 'As I transition into this next phase of my life, I want everyone to know the real me. I am Chelsea Manning, I am a female,' Manning, 25, said in the statement read by anchorwoman Savannah Guthrie on NBC News' "Today" show. 'Given the way that I feel and have felt since childhood, I want to begin hormone therapy as soon as possible,' Manning said. 'I also request that starting today you refer to me by my new name and use the feminine pronoun.' A psychiatrist, Navy Reserve Captain David Moulton, testified during Manning's trial that Manning suffered from gender dysphoria, or wanting to be the opposite sex, as well as narcissism and obsessive-compulsive disorder."

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  1. Hormone therapy? by brian0918 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Will they really provide that in prison?

    1. Re:Hormone therapy? by bickerdyke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How sad is it that prison rape and rape in general is such a joke in the US that one of the first comments on any forum when somebody talks about prisoner well-being is that they not drop the soap, because HA-HA some maleficent goon might RAPE them?

      Tells us a lot about how the US prison system thinks of human dignity.

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    2. Re:Hormone therapy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      He says he's felt this way since childhood, seems to have discussed the issue at length with a psychologist while in the military, and even suggested that he had joined the military in the hopes that it would somehow cure him.

    3. Re:Hormone therapy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes. If they let you go with a warning for smoking the joint, punch one of them.

    4. Re:Hormone therapy? by wisnoskij · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Comedy is a legitimate form of social/political commentary.

      Everything is funny, everything should be discussed and criticize, and joking is a way to do that.

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    5. Re:Hormone therapy? by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm a bit mystified as to why we do this. Hear me out:

      When people ask to have limbs amputated because the person feels that having the limb doesn't make them feel whole (strange how you don't feel whole until part of you is removed?! That and/or because they have a sexual fetish for amputated limbs,) modern medicine denies that request, considers it to be abhorrent, and any medical professional who obliges the request is jailed and/or has their license to practice revoked. The treatment for the above condition is the same as if the person had a mental illness, and the solution is to change thinking patterns rather than surgery.

      http://drmarkgriffiths.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/whats-your-crutch-the-bizarre-world-of-amputee-fetishes/

      Yet when they ask to have their genitals mutilated and hormones thrown so far out of whack to the point of permanently handicapping them to a degree, it is viewed as a human right, and in some cases this voluntary surgery must be provided for free by the government, and they are called brave in some circles? Worse is that today there is very little in the way of counseling done, and some half of them end up regretting it after the fact.

      http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Want-To-Reverse-Sex-Reassignment-Surgery/1608417

      I'm not taking issue with transsexualism BTW, I'm taking issue with the idea that surgery is the answer.

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    6. Re:Hormone therapy? by SleazyRidr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Only" two. Why is it that the US claims to be the best country in the world, but it comfortable sharing a list mainly populated by other shining examples of leading countries, such as North Korea, Thailand and Rwanda?

    7. Re:Hormone therapy? by NatasRevol · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Egotistical nationalism?

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    8. Re:Hormone therapy? by Velex · · Score: 5, Informative
      Came here for this.

      Yet when they ask to have their genitals mutilated and hormones thrown so far out of whack to the point of permanently handicapping them to a degree, it is viewed as a human right

      So delicious.

      Because she (Manning) was presumably born in the USA, her genitals were likely already mutilated at birth. Secondly, the organ between your ears also has gender just the same as the organ between your legs. The process of HRT brings one's hormone levels in line with normal female levels, so I don't understand why you think anything is going "out of whack."

      I used to experience very painful headaches on a weekly basis before I started estrogen HRT. Apparently, that's not an uncommon experience. There's definitely something going on, although research is admittedly lacking (there was a study I can't seem to find again that was able to use MRI to determine brain sex in 75% of individuals in the study).

      Worse is that today there is very little in the way of counseling done, and some half of them end up regretting it after the fact.

      Sorry, a link to Experience Project isn't evidence, and there have been many flawed, biased studies on the subject to boot, sort of like the studies that back up the practice of routine infant male genital mutilation in the USA.

      I'm not taking issue with transsexualism BTW, I'm taking issue with the idea that surgery is the answer.

      Yes, you are, because not all trans women undergo bottom surgery. Bottom surgery is a personal choice and not a requirement to live as a woman or get an ID as a woman, although it may be a requirement in certain states in order to amend or change one's birth certificate.

      If you're really as rational as you're trying to present yourself as being, I'd recommend the book Whipping Girl by Julia Serano.

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    9. Re:Hormone therapy? by kno3 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Only two US prisons were on it.

      I think you need to work on your counting skills. I counted 4 current US prisons and one closed (Alcatraz) out of a total of 20.
      25% is extremely bad given the US's self perceived high ground in all things moral. Remember this includes the entire world, most of which is comparatively very poor and lacks the resources to do much better.
      That said, imgur is hardly a reputable source and the list has clearly been skewed by US prison's notoriety in the west. I'm sure there are far worse out there.

      No prison thinks much of human dignity.

      I refer you to Norway: http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1989083,00.html
      Only fools support prisons that ignore the dignity of the prisoners. If you actually want to help society, you support and protect those that need it the most.

    10. Re:Hormone therapy? by Firethorn · · Score: 5, Informative

      some deep rooted psychological scar from being in the armed forces.

      I'm going to say that he was screwed up before ever entering the military; being in the military certainly didn't help though. One of the signs was that he was placed in a discharge unit. If his commanding officers had made the call he would have been kicked out and be free to transition today.

      Please note: I'm active duty and have an openly gay married* commander. I won't say that he hasn't had problems in his career, it having very much started during 'don't ask don't tell', but he hasn't been having problems with us.

      But at the same time I'm NOT going to make like the military is some utopia for trans people. It's much better for gay people, but I would state that as a category the US military is currently NOT a place you want to be if you want to transition. Bradley Manning will probably not be allowed to transition during his time at Leavenworth. The DoD just doesn't have any measures to allow it, which means that people would have to take the effort to do so.

      As a general matter, if you want to transition and you're in the military, your best option is to keep quiet and let your enlistment run out. If you're really desperate, there are a number of ways to get out quicker. A bit tougher since DADT ended, but there are still ways. You might lose some benefits, but there's plenty of things you can do where the military will decide to discharge you to be rid of you and not do much else.

      (BTW, I go by a '2 out of 3' standard: mental, physical outward, and DNA; he hasn't started transition yet so he's still a he).

      *I wrote it this way because I've known gay people who married the opposite gender for various reasons.

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    11. Re:Hormone therapy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You ever been raped? You ignorant asshole.

      Why do you think so many rape victims commit suicide? Even after months or years of therapy and trying to forget?

      At least if the person is killed, the torment is over.

      This comment, and a few above, is from someone who knows what it feels like to have someone's dick inside them against their will. Also, someone who has contemplated suicide, as well as mass murder.

      I certainly wish my attacker had been raped in prison, and then killed, so my tax dollars doesn't keep him alive.

      If you can't appreciate that, you obviously have no experience in the subject, and can take your self-righteous indignation and shove it up your ass.

    12. Re:Hormone therapy? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I suggest you go to a rape counseling center, and ask the women there is they care that the man who raped them may face the possibility of being raped in prison.

      Go ask an adult survivor of child abuse if they feel upset that their uncle/father/priest/etc may be subjected to rape in prison.

      Keep a running tally of which one are as horrified as you are, and which one feel it is the least that should happen to them. Report back here when you are done.

      Done that; there are some people who have been so traumatized that even the subject of rape to anyone causes them to wall themselves off. There are others who consider their attackers so inhuman for doing the things they did that they take vindictive pleasure in the concept of their attacker being subjected to what they dished out. There are others who have healed more, who just want it all to stop, and share the same sadness (not horror) that this is perpetuated in prison.

      You see, most of those rapists in prison, if you dig into their past, were sexually abused themselves. Being sexually abused seems to snap something in the brain that allows you to easily see people as "not human". Recovering from that is extremely difficult, and some people turn to a life of crime/abuse as their coping mechanism.

      So my original point stands: it says something about the perspective US citizens (or at least some vocal minorities as I said) have on human dignity. Dehumanization never ends well; forgiveness is MUCH tougher (and some things may never be fully forgiven, especially if the person never really showed any regret or sorrow about what they did), but it's the best way to break the chain.

    13. Re:Hormone therapy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So mutilated is the word now. I'll remember to use that next time I ask a doctor to stitch a wound closed and he trims away some skin.

      Infant circumcision is the deliberate wounding and sexual maiming of a child that removes 1/3 to 1/2 of the penile skin. The foreskin of an adult male is approximately FIFTEEN square inches of erogenous tissue which serves numerous functions throughout a man's lifetime. Not only does cutting up the genitals of healthy individuals without their consent violate human rights, it violates medical ethics to force unnecessary and damaging surgery upon healthy patients.

      But yes, forced genital cutting (whether the victim is male, female, or intersex) is a form of mutilation. Only someone brainwashed into thinking that cutting up the genitals of healthy children is perfectly normal would claim otherwise.

    14. Re:Hormone therapy? by Smauler · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You ever been raped? You ignorant asshole.

      Yes.

      Why do you think so many rape victims commit suicide? Even after months or years of therapy and trying to forget?

      It's a horrible experience. Some people can't deal with it.

      At least if the person is killed, the torment is over.

      My torment was over years ago... it was tough getting over it, but I did, and am glad to be alive.

      I certainly wish my attacker had been raped in prison, and then killed, so my tax dollars doesn't keep him alive.

      I feel nothing but pity for my attacker. He never went to prison, by the way, his punishment was being deported back to his own country. I don't hate him any more, I don't care about him at all. I used to want revenge, but I figured out it was hurting me more than it would hurt him.

      If you can't appreciate that, you obviously have no experience in the subject, and can take your self-righteous indignation and shove it up your ass.

      I do have experience of this. You're the one with the self righteous indignation. You're the one claiming murder is almost equivalent to rape. I'm a happy, relatively well adjusted person now.

      Also, I resent the fact that you imply that no one can comment on the issue unless they have been raped. People are allowed opinions on stuff that has not actually happened to them.

  2. Me too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    As I transition into this next phase of my life, I want everyone to know the real me. I am Anonymous Cowardess, I am a female.

  3. Re:And this is relevant how...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If she wants to be a man or woman, you insensitive clod!

  4. No, because it's not insanity by QilessQi · · Score: 5, Informative

    Self-identifying as a woman is not a sign of insanity. There are quite a number of transgendered people in the world today, from young to old, pre-op or post-op, leading perfectly normal lives.

    While we used to refer to the condition as Gender Identity Disorder in the DSM-IV, it was replaced with Gender Dysphoria in the DSM-V because we now don't think of it as a disorder. In fact, the general "treatment" is not to make the mind match the body, but to make the body match the mind. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity_disorder .

  5. Re:And this is relevant how...? by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No offence to you, but I don't give a fuck about your opinion. And normally I wouldn't say it, but since you seem to think it's important to tell everyone what you don't care about...

    I find Manning's actions and any information about her history which would go toward explaining them both interesting and important. People do not act in a vacuum.

  6. Re:Sounds like they thoroughly broke him by eqisow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I do believe he was struggling with gender identity issues before this whole ordeal.

  7. Re:And this is relevant how...? by lxs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In one sentence: Bradley was our hero. Now Chelsea is our hero.

    It's a story that many of us have been following since the beginning. For those among us that are not robots the lives of the people involved are at least of passing interest to us. In my opinion Manning has done a great thing. He/she deserves better than being relegated to obscurity the moment the story is over.

  8. The Full Statement by Iridium_Hack · · Score: 5, Informative
    Actually, I heard that the following statement was made by Bradly Manning and picked up by the Associated Press. He made it to the President in a request for a pardon. In my opinion, these two statements don't sound like they came from the same person. With as much embarrassment and/or trouble as the Bradley Manning case has caused the government, adding a little spicy twist on the story in the end doesn't sound unlikely.

    Associated Press — FORT MEADE, Md. — The text of U.S. Army Pfc. Bradley Manning’s statement that will be sent to the president, as read by defense attorney David Coombs following Manning’s sentencing Wednesday, below:

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    Manning's statement, in full:

    The decisions that I made in 2010 were made out of a concern for my country and the world that we live in. Since the tragic events of 9/11, our country has been at war. We’ve been at war with an enemy that chooses not to meet us on any traditional battlefield, and due to this fact we’ve had to alter our methods of combating the risks posed to us and our way of life.

    I initially agreed with these methods and chose to volunteer to help defend my country. It was not until I was in Iraq and reading secret military reports on a daily basis that I started to question the morality of what we were doing.

    It was at this time I realized that (in) our efforts to meet the risk posed to us by the enemy, we have forgotten our humanity. We consciously elected to devalue human life both in Iraq and Afghanistan. When we engaged those that we perceived were the enemy, we sometimes killed innocent civilians. Whenever we killed innocent civilians, instead of accepting responsibility for our conduct, we elected to hide behind the veil of national security and classified information in order to avoid any public accountability. In our zeal to kill the enemy, we internally debated the definition of torture. We held individuals at Guantanamo for years without due process. We inexplicably turned a blind eye to torture and executions by the Iraqi government. And we stomached countless other acts in the name of our war on terror.

    Patriotism is often the cry extolled when morally questionable acts are advocated by those in power. When these cries of patriotism drown out any logically based dissension, it is usually the American soldier that is given the order to carry out some ill-conceived mission.

    Our nation has had similar dark moments for the virtues of democracy — the Trail of Tears, the Dred Scott decision, McCarthyism, and the Japanese-American internment camps — to mention a few. I am confident that many of the actions since 9/11 will one day be viewed in a similar light.

    As the late Howard Zinn once said, “There is not a flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people.”

    I understand that my actions violated the law; I regret if my actions hurt anyone or harmed the United States. It was never my intent to hurt anyone. I only wanted to help people. When I chose to disclose classified information, I did so out of a love for my country and a sense of duty to others.

    If you deny my request for a pardon, I will serve my time knowing that sometimes you have to pay a heavy price to live in a free society.

    I will gladly pay that price if it means we could have a country that is truly conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all women and men are created equal.

  9. Re:And this is relevant how...? by gregulator · · Score: 5, Funny

    In one sentence: Bradley was our hero. Now Chelsea is our hero.

    That is two sentences.

  10. Re:And this is relevant how...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now Chelsea is our hero.

    Bad move. Now no honest Arsenal fan can like him/her any more. :-)

  11. Re:WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Never do. Gender identity people generally feel so much deeply foundational shame that they go their entire lives, telling no one. Wasn't there news media coverage of a 40 year old married man that finally decided (after raising the kids was done and they were well on their way) that she couldn't take it anymore and needed to transition. I think a lot of regular Joe's natural reaction to hearing something like this is that the TG individual must be incredibly selfish and perverse to put their family through the pain of having their family fractured in such a way (familial identity especially is immutable!) But I think the reality is that a TG is experiencing pain which equals the combined expected pain and discomfort of their loved ones -- why else would they wait so long?

    In my anecdotal story my brother only told me, but didn't mention it in their suicide note, so I've told no one.. (... quadruple check that I'm posting anonymously..)

  12. Re:Let's Not Be Jerks by LateArthurDent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cisgendered means your brain gender matches your physical gender. The whole point of not using the word 'normal' is to avoid saying that people who are not cisgendered are not normal.

    Which is stupid PC crap. Being transgendered isn't normal. Which is not to say that's a bad thing, they're just being offended for no reason. Normal means, "according with, constituting, or not deviating from a norm, rule, or principle". Think normal distribution. Most people are not transgendered, therefore being transgendered is not not normal.

    By itself, not being normal isn't offensive. Most people can't run as fast as Usain Bolt, therefore Usain Bolt isn't normal. That's not an insult.