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Linux 3.11-rc7 Release Celebrates 22 Years of Linux

An anonymous reader writes "It was on this day 22 years ago when Linus Torvalds humbly announced Linux and today he played on that in announcing the Linux 3.11-rc7 kernel release. The final Linux 3.11 kernel release is expected in about one week."

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  1. The year of the linux desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    This year is the year!

    1. Re:The year of the linux desktop by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 2

      and still most people would prefer windows 3.11 to linux.

  2. Whoah whoah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Linus was humble once?

    1. Re:Whoah whoah by InfiniteLoopCounter · · Score: 2

      Doesn't take much when you compare Linus to Steve Jobs or Steve Ballmer, but he's always been a bit more down to earth than the rest of them.

    2. Re:Whoah whoah by kthreadd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Compared to the way Jobs and Ballmer treat customers I much prefer Linus, even if he is a bit rude sometimes.

    3. Re:Whoah whoah by epyT-R · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nothing wrong with direct, blunt communication.. It's refreshing compared with the passive aggressive kittycat games of typical government and corporate interaction. I think his blunt style is part of what keeps the kernel dev team clear of that passive aggression. It keeps the emos who can't handle blunt truth away.

      Nvidia got what they deserved, and it is clear to all other manufacturers what the kernel team thinks of closed drivers making debugging a royal pain.

    4. Re:Whoah whoah by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

      He's just terse. Want him a bit more verbose, shoot a few "-v" his way.

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    5. Re:Whoah whoah by kthreadd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nothing wrong except that it may keep new contributors away. There's no fun in contributing to a project where the boss is an asshole.

    6. Re:Whoah whoah by epyT-R · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except that it doesn't. It keeps thin skinned people away, who otherwise create needless drama.

    7. Re:Whoah whoah by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Interesting

      some possibilities:
      1. kernel programming isn't something most people can do. not just linux, but in general.
      2. the project is mostly stable at this point. 90% of the work is drivers anyway, and those are submitted by hw manufacturers for the most part.

      It's not like he's constantly flying off the handle as claimed.. It happens occasionally, and for good reason. Broken code from senior people and/or closed drivers make a ton of extra work for the rest of them, so he's justified. Look at what happened to android. If he yields to political correctness, he then has to clean up the mess left behind by people who need a grilling they now won't receive. Choosing between not hurting feelings and/or keeping these people away, and getting the job done right isn't hard.

    8. Re:Whoah whoah by cbope · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I hate to counter a possible AC troll, but Linus has always followed the "do one thing and do it well" mantra. In a sense, we are likely better off that he didn't "look at the big picture" and lose focus on the core.

      I believe the issue the AC brings up lies more with Linux desktop environments, rather than with Linus himself. If Linux had more or less standardized on a single desktop* for corporate use, we would likely see more Linux on the desktop today. But it didn't and the rest is history.

      * I am not trying to imply there should be one and only one desktop for Linux. I am simply saying that to address the corporate desktop market, a standardized desktop** is more or less essential. Of course there are also special needs outside the corporate desktop, and this is where different desktop environments can exist and fill a particular niche.

      ** Win8 is a good example where MS changed the standard desktop environment and is being shunned by the corporate crowd as a result. It's just too different from what had become the "standard" since Win95.

    9. Re:Whoah whoah by TeknoHog · · Score: 3, Funny

      He's just terse. Want him a bit more verbose, shoot a few "-v" his way.

      Well, the Finnish equivalent of the F word would be the V word...

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    10. Re:Whoah whoah by higuita · · Score: 4, Informative

      would you prefer to be ignored, with all your work and the patchs never getting merged and you didn't even knew why?

      That is the "correct and polite" way... but totally useless.

      And no, being polite and slowly trying to explain the errors will not work, too much people around, any manager will get tired of repeating the same thing over and over, and so getting more rude as time goes by.

      Please note that Linus is usually not rude for newbies, only for people that are around for sometime, specially for maintainers. Those should already know what is allowed or what is not and if maintainers, Linus already have some trust on then... if they fail that trust, Linus will be very direct.

      If you work with other top kernel developers (check the *BSD) you will see the same problem, with ones being more rude than others (ie: Theo de Raadt)

      If you are comparing with enterprise development, think again. Those can also be rude... but even if they are not, they are probably playing the ignore card, the faking/lying card or simple the "i can get you fired" card. And don't forget the "i'm the boss" card, where you don't even try to be a smartass and always do what you are being told.

      Finally, even if that attitude might scare some developers, at least have manage to keep the linux development together, there is no forks, so it isn't that much a problem.

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    11. Re:Whoah whoah by i · · Score: 2

      Vittu?

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    12. Re:Whoah whoah by BrokenHalo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have thicker skin that most people. You can say anything to me no matter how dirty or derogative.

      Right. Which, no doubt, is why you're posting anonymously.

    13. Re:Whoah whoah by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Funny

      Gah, you geeks can't be satisfied, can you? First you complain about Linux being beta forever, now you complain that Linus Finnishes it...

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    14. Re:Whoah whoah by You're+All+Wrong · · Score: 2, Informative

      Fuck ~= vittu, literally cunt, from Swedish fitta

      Perkele's harder to translate into English, being the name of an pagan god. So you'd probably want it to be something that offends Church of England sensibilities through blasphemy. I can't think of anything apart from "Hell!" that fits that description at the moment, but that's not really any good as the Finns have "Helvetti" for precisely that meaning. I'm not sure how much the Finns distinguish "perkele" from "saatana" = "satan". It's worth asking a Finn.

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  3. Re:22 YEARS TO 3.11 !! WINDOWS DID IT IN SIX !! by loosescrews · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the Linux kernel development team have slightly higher standards than Microsoft.

  4. I'm a believer. by tpstigers · · Score: 3, Funny

    Linux is the operating system of the people. This alone justifies its existence.

  5. Where is the Workgroups support by jrumney · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think its about time that Linux was adapted for Workgroups. How anyone could justify releasing version 3.11 without them this late in the game is something I just cannot fathom.

    1. Re:Where is the Workgroups support by You're+All+Wrong · · Score: 3

      Erm...
      http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/07/15/1530233/linux-311-officially-named-linux-for-workgroups

      See with your own eyes:
      https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Makefile

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  6. Humility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It was 22 years ago today that Linus Torvalds last humbly announced anything.

  7. Re:Is it ready for the desktop ? by Teun · · Score: 3, Informative

    A bit pointless right? For all purpose such a video can be straight out of the camera.

    Anyway, these days we use Kdenlive for video editing.

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  8. Re:Is it ready for the desktop ? by Bert64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And how much software for other os is there that is no longer maintained?
    At least with the sourcecode you have the option of maintaining it yourself... If you choose not to take advantage of that option, then you are never any worse off than the alternative.

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  9. Re:Meanwhile by kthreadd · · Score: 2

    Apple Macs was 32 bit since the start in 1984. The Motorola 68000 only used 24 bits for addressing though.

  10. Re:Meanwhile by Yomers · · Score: 3, Insightful

    99% of the people using those products would never care if you changed them from Linux to something else.

    Provided all software is working and GUI remains the same? They would not care if you change NT kernel on their Windows desktops to this mystical 'something else', then. Majority of people using any product do not think much about kernel, and rightly so.

  11. Re:22 YEARS TO 3.11 !! WINDOWS DIDhtt IT IN SIX !! by Barefoot+Monkey · · Score: 2

    Hey, at least they're making progress. 13 years ago Windows was up to 2000, now they've gone all the way down to 8. That's 1992 versions! At this rate they'll hit zero in just 19 days.

  12. Re:Is it ready for the desktop ? by madsdyd · · Score: 4, Informative

    You are sorely lacking in the history department of Linux Video Editors.

    Kino was originally developed with only DV editing in mind. It grew to be pretty usefull, but around the mid 00's, the main developers (Charles Yates and Dan Dennedy) realised that the basic foundation of Kino would never accomodate anything besides a clip-oriented DV editor. They therefore wrote the MLT framework (http://www.mltframework.org/) that is a powerfull (open source) multimedia framework, which is used in TV productions, and is the basis of several open source video editors, most notable Kdenlive and OpenShot. (See list here: http://www.mltframework.org/bin/view/MLT/Projects).

    Dan Dennedy decided to keep Kino "alive" as it is usefull to some people, but not do any further development on it.

    Dan Dennedy still maintains MLT and have contributed to several of the MLT related projects. Kdenlive is a powerfull NLE video editor that can do most of, if not all, that the very expensive tools for other platforms do. In some cases way more. (And, yes, it runs under Gnome or other desktops, you just need the KDE libs)

    It is unfortunate that people keep referencing Kino. No new development have been made on it for literally years, and e.g. Kdenlive are much, much more powerfull.

    (On a side note, it is also unfortunate that so few people know of the massive amount of work that Dan Dennedy has invested in to Video editing on Linux. Besides Kino and MLT, he has been heavily involved in the Firewire/dv1394 drivers of the Linux kernels, and it is amazing how much he has contributed).

    If you want to see Kdenlive related videos, search for kdenlive on youtube. Tons of people have made videos with Kdenlive.

    Disclaimer: I have contributed code and translations to both Kino and Kdenlive. I belive I may even be listed as one of the authors of Kino (or at least was at some point).

  13. Re:Is it ready for the desktop ? by Provocateur · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A lot of the times no longer maintained could stand for 'Project is stable enough'

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  14. Linux will never reach year of the desktop! by xQuarkDS9x · · Score: 2

    Linux will never reach year of the desktop even with this kernel release coming up. In a lot of ways Linux right now in various distro's such as Ubuntu and variants like it kind of remind me of the Windows 3.x and 95 days. You might have decent driver support for most hardware but come time to upgrading the kernel more often then not you break the official closed source nvidia drivers along with your nice GUI boot screen that usually hides all the normal boot messages from the kernel as it's loaded up until you see your fancy login screen. Same goes with the god awful support of AMD video support in Linux both with official and open source drivers and more often then not your network and ow wi-fi settings might be hosed or you may not even have the WI-FI driver needed and then it's a mad dash off to the official Ubuntu forums for help.

    And applications need to be improved too in some area's. There's really only one half assed decent CD/DVD/BR burning program and thats K3B that actually won't produce messed up unreadable discs. Wheras in Windows you have the excellent free CDBurnerXP or if you like bloatware "one does it all" package the commercial Nero Burning rom. Video players in Linux suck too when you don't have much choice been mplayer and it's front ends and VLC. Gnome Mplayer as a front-end example can't even jump to a specific point in hours, minutes, or seconds in a video if you want and won't allow you to save bookmarks.

    VLC on the other hand DOES allow you to jump to a specific time, but it sure as hell can't save bookmarks at any point in a video until you use a workaround of saving a bookmark into a playlist file, and not too mention that when playing audio files VLC will absolutely ignore embedded artwork in say Ogg Vorbis and FLAC files and by default will try and download cover art that's garbage in quality or completly wrong.

    When in comparison to windows xp/7/8 you have K-lite media codec pack and the great Media Player Classic HC (MPC-HC) that not only has more modern video renderers such as Haala and MadVR but can also use newer LAV audio/video decoders for much better picture and sound quality compared to VLC, and if you don't want to use LAV decoders you can use ffmpeg included with k-lite instead and STILL get better picture quality. Oh and also no problems playing DVD's either when even with restricted-extra's packages in Ubuntu and variants and some other stuff installed to play dvd's you still find the occasional DVD that will not play because of it's copy protection garbage.

    Image viewers and editors aren't much better. Irfanview and Xnview are great to use but all you have with Ubuntu is the newer XnviewMP (Multi-Platform) which is really the only decent image viewer on Linux these day's that isn't retarded. For editors sure you have GIMP on Windows, Linux ETC but Adobe Photoshop still has a fair amount of features that GIMP doesn't have. Audio players in Ubuntu suffer too when the only decent audio player is Audacious but in comparison to Foobar2000 on windows which does so much freaking more it's like night and day.

    Overall in a lot of ways windows has better apps in some areas or has more development in some area's towards audio and video quality in playback. It's just that for the most part a lot of people are dumbasses and don't take precautions of running ONLY Firefox as a browser with Adblock Plus, Noscript, Cookie Controller, Ghostery (or DoNotTrackMe if you prefer) and Socialfixer (to fix whats annoying as hell on facebook) and don't actually read each popup from an installer asking if you'd like to install "X toolbar" or "X program" and automatically default to YES until you click no or refuse to avoid getting malware and viruses and browser hijackers simply because people are too stupid to read and in a hurry to always click through every screen. That and people who still to this day launch attachments from emails.

    Linux is no better either these days with some newer malware packages showing up and with all those so called wonderful Linux help

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  15. Re:Is it ready for the desktop ? by readingaccount · · Score: 2

    A lot of the times no longer maintained could stand for 'Project is stable enough'

    Strongly disagree. Maintenance isn't just about fixing bugs - it's also about making sure the damn thing keeps running after the environment changes. Newer toolkits, libraries, heck various distro changes can result in an unmaintained project not even compiling anymore without changes, which may or may not be trivial. Maintenance ensures said project can survive while everything changes.

    In Windows, maintenance isn't so important because Windows is extremely capable in terms of backwards compatibility. Linux is not quite as capable because of the availability of source for most of its software, as there's an assumption that a recompile is enough in most cases when running on newer distros. But things change enough that maintenance is still an important part, particularly for open-source software. A project without maintenance is something you should stay away from if you think you'll be using it for the long term.