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Elon Musk's New Hologram Project Invites 'Iron Man' Comparisons
Nerval's Lobster writes "In the 'Iron Man' trilogy, billionaire inventor Tony Stark uses a gesture-controlled hologram to draft new designs of the titular armor, sending virtual parts flying around his lab with the flick of a wrist. Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk—who is often compared to Stark by the tech press—is apparently creating the real-life equivalent of that fictional hologram system. 'We figured out how to design rocket parts just w hand movements through the air (seriously),' he Tweeted August 23. 'Now need a high frame rate holograph generator.' In a follow-up Tweet, he added: 'Will post video next week of designing a rocket part with hand gestures & then immediately printing it in titanium.' But Musk has no plans to actually make an Iron Man-inspired suit of armor. 'I am not going to make an IM suit,' he wrote on Twitter, 'however design by hand-manipulated hologram is actually useful.'"
Elon is the new Trump.
It's all just hand-waving and smoke & mirrors.
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Will it be useful for designing better sex toys?
I'm not sure what this guy is on but *that's* what he should be marketing and selling to the masses.
He seems to be on the 'visionary' trail. Not sure if it's a lot of hype or he's actually going to change the world in any significant way. Only time will tell.
Just get an Oculus Rift and you've got the VR setup they used in Jurassic Park. Almost as good but a whole lot cheaper.
It won't work. When you hold your hand out from your body for an extended period of time, your arm gets tired and begins to droop. This is known as "gorilla arm syndrome" and is used as a textbook example of what not to do when designing user interfaces.
However, it looks so cool, ignoring the fact that the first priority of any user interface is usability. Well, any user interface that you use for any length of time. It's sad that movies so pervade the modern consciousness that people can't see outside their blinders.
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Or positing it? After the vacuum tube BS stories, I refuse to read another Elon Musk-slobbering fest article.
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Given the one about the driverless cars I'm assuming every story Slashdot posts is a not particularly funny fake.
...is great at making things that 99.9999999999999998% of the world doesn't need and can't afford. I don't think he's a great inventor.
Just wait until he's kidnapped by terrorists and forced to build rockets for them.
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This has been posted all over the place, and it always talks about the Iron Man displays.
Nowhere does Musk say that. He says he will design a rocket nozzle with his hands and print it with a 3D printer.
You can do that today with some software and a Kinect or other motion tracker.
Nowhere does he talk about 3D displays hanging in space. Gesture controlled solid modeler and 3D printer. That's it.
Isn't it about time we had enough of elon musk's musings on /.?
He's basically just going around telling the press about how he would like the future to be, by rehashing projects that others have worked on for decades.
... That it will have actually nothing to do with real holograms... You know, the one with wavefront interference in a 3D gratting...
As someone who does this for a living, let me tell you that Elon Musk is a idea guy, not a user. These guys are a dime a dozen and often see things like iPads and flashy technology as "the future", but in implementation, they miss out on things like Ease of User Input, and Long term use strain. A spaceball and a mouse are about the best you can get for 3d space navigation for long periods of time, which is how the people who actually build this stuff use it daily.
You can see this yourself if you want to do a little accuracy experiment. Take your mouse and move it a pixel. Now, take your hand, hold it in the air, and move your hand that same amount without the help of friction on the table or the mouse to rest your hand on. Even if LeapMotion and other 3d space tracking systems were that accurate, it's not an optimal setup for actually doing work, due to strain and other issues. Now, I don't often need single pixel-accuracy, but 4-5 pixel accuracy is needed more often than you think.
Elon Musk sits in a "end item" meeting where the final design is 3d modeled and displayed on a screen, and pictorial representation of that model is manipulated using leap motion. Great. But actual engineering design work done this way? He's dreaming. Or, he's just talking about using Leap Motion et al tied to a CAD program, in which case... Who cares? He's not the first, and he's certainly not a visionary on the subject.
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1. Will it require anything to project the image onto? Even if it's just water vapor streaming through the air.
2. Will it be visible from any angle, or will it center itself on one person's point of view?
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Stop it already.
You too, slashdot!
... when technologies that give everyone a personal screen (ie Glass, Oculus Rift) are becoming more available.
If I ever get my hands on that monkey's paw , you can goddamned well bet that my FIRST wish is going to be that every fool that ever bleated the phrase gorilla arm be granted a real, live gorilla arm in place of their preferred limb. Wait, no, maybe in ADDITION to.
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or Ernst Blowfeld.
Remember nerdboys, he's not the one with the vision statement of "don't be evil". So that's always an option. Heck, he grew Paypal into the evil shoggoth that it is today.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Seriously, every other news outlet has already gotten this wrong, but I expected better from Slashdot. A hologram is an application of phased array optics. You have a 2D surface. That surface contains a series of seemingly arbitrary fields of light and dark. Those fields, when illuminated with a coherent light source (like a LASER), produce an interference pattern which reproduces the light field emanating from a 3D object as it passes through that 2D surface. In essence, it creates a window through which you can view true 3D. That shit in Iron Man, with images floating in air... that's not a hologram.
In all those cases, your arms are not constantly out in front of you. Much of the time your arms are hanging down, or resting on something else. When they're not, they're often tucked in closer to the body which makes them easier to hold up.
The simplest solution to a 3D holographic interface is to plant your elbows on a surface to support the weight of your arm, and then move mostly your fingers with some hand movement.
"We figured out how to design rocket parts just w hand movements through the air (seriously)"
Isn't that what JPL/NASA has been doing for years in their cave-based VR labs? And doesn't SpaceX employ a lot of ex-JPL folks?
Read Brett Victor's A Brief Rant on the Future of Interactive Design if you want to understand why haptic feedback designs are superior.
Like a fruit basket or something.
He's like a crazy ass poster child for detractors of Musk's every move.
You can't buy that with money.
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Obligatory Penny Arcade reference.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
It won't work. When you hold your hand out from your body for an extended period of time, your arm gets tired and begins to droop. This is known as "gorilla arm syndrome" and is used as a textbook example of what not to do when designing user interfaces.
Every single input device does not have to be universal or suitable for every single task - which is why we use a mouse AND a keyboard.
Don't think of it as a user interface. Think of it as a virtual 3D sculpting tool.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
Tony Stark is a bit of a self-obsessed jerk. That's what happened.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
Seriously!? This guy could claim to have a new and improved way to take a crap and it would make the news. This is nothing until we see something. Even less that the hyper tube vaporware. It is not a thing until it is a thing, Anything else is just hype to boost your stock.
Fine, well if Musk's not going to bother making the IM Armor, I'll make my own! With embedded blackjack and holographic hookers! You know what... forget the suit!
NO ONE give him any money..
thanks!
This will NOT be a free-floating image in the open air. It's gonna be some incremental improvement on one or more of the above that'll have us go "OK, that's kinda clever. Not what we want, but clever."
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> "How, I wondered, is Musk going to solve the thermal expansion problem?
I used to walk under a solution every day going to work, where work was the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center. They needed a way to test the optics of the Chandra X-Ray Telescope on the ground, so they built a 1000 foot (300 meter) vacuum pipe that connected an X-Ray source at one end to a vacuum chamber with the optics at the other. The reason for the long distance was to have the source at "infinity" optically, and it needed to be vacuum so air would not absorb or scatter the X-Rays.
This pipe ran outdoors, because it was longer than the building, and they wanted the X-Ray source away from other people working there. Naturally it had to deal with expansion due to heat and cold. It was handled with a metal bellows expansion joint (http://www.wahlcometroflex.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/metalrolledopt.jpg) between pipe sections, and the pipes themselves were on sliding support brackets on the concrete columns that held them up. So they can expand and contract as needed, and the bellows takes up the motion.
For the Hyperloop application, you would use finger expansion joints (http://www.ilwontec.com/eng/wp-content/uploads/contents/big_finger_expansion_joint.gif) inside the bellows. These are used on bridges for the same thermal expansion reason between the piers and suspended part of the roadway. Instead of being flat like in the picture, they would be circular, following the shape of the main pipe.
Not sure that either of those would work for a car going over it on an air cushion at 700 mph.
I would imagine a smooth tube would be a requirement. A minor change in air pressure from one of the ridges and all of a sudden the car is hitting walls at 700 mph.
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Its official, EM is from the future. Like every other day hes "inventing" ways of doing future. With Tesla being as successful and amazing as it is, the world internet thing, hyperloop, yadda yadda yadda and now this? Come on, admit it Elon, your actually Tony Stark and John Titor's love child from the future.
No sure hes not inventing the idea, but hes making it work. Anyone can think of something cool to do, but only an insanely smart person(from the future!) makes it work.
Discussing as someone who had to create on a white board for several time a day I was a Educating Associate during graduate university and had to consistently manage lessons, laboratories, and other classes with learners for several decades, I experience as if you've ignored to consider the apparent proven reality that no one uses a white board from arm's duration, the way it would cause to gorilla arm. In the end, I do believe the simple reality with your assumption that this is a route we should be going. Even so, I'm still going to discuss whiteboards and why your evaluation is incorrect.
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Hi,
Whenever people start talking about holographic projection, they tend to mix up a variety of existing technologies ( holograms, peppers ghost illusions, fog screens using 2d projection, stereoscopic 3d ) and tech that they have seen in movies like Star Wars. The fact of the matter, that for a something that can fill a room , with a 3d 'holographic scene', you need a volumetric display. A volumetric display creates a scene in physical 3d space so it can be looked at from any direction, even from above and below.
We have a prototype that can render half a billion voxels per second, in color. Its called Voxiebox and it can create TRUE volumetric 3D in realtime (not stereo, not a view, not an illusion).
Heres a video of the tech in action a few weeks ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjIXJ6OGsLQ
thanks
Gavin Smith
Voxon
Well the problem here is that Musk didn't provide these solutions. He's obviously a crackpot. Boo hiss.
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