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Silicon Valley's Loony Cheerleading Culture Is Out of Control

Nerval's Lobster writes "Kernel editor-in-chief and noted firebrand Milo Yiannopoulos swings away at Silicon Valley's current startup culture, noting that it's resulted in herds of wannabe founders and startup groupies who don't exactly have a track record of starting successful companies or even producing solid code. 'Though they produce little of value, they are the naive soft power behind aggressive capitalist machines in Silicon Valley: the trend-setting vanguard of the global Web and mobile industries,' he writes. 'We should be very wary indeed of these vacuous cheerleaders whose vague waffle about the transformational potential of photo-sharing apps is more sinister and Orwellian than anything dreamt up by a dictator.' How long can such a culture continue before it dries up, and the whole tech-investment cycle begins anew?"

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  1. someone's gotta start the show by themushroom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While the content being generated by these startups may be vacuous, there is at least the spark of new ideas (in some cases) or tangental thought that leads to other ideas. Someone else does the real legwork if it's a good spark, if these small startups can only talk the talk. Contrast the want-to-do's with the Microsoft archtype of staying safe and not innovating or thinking fresh.

    There is some value to the cheerleading, even if it's just to provide grain for others to mill.

    1. Re:someone's gotta start the show by afidel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      MS innovates, just slowly. I wish more of these guys ideas got turned into products each year, if they did MS probably wouldn't have the reputation they do of a stoggy business only company.

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    2. Re:someone's gotta start the show by stevew · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Being a 30+year observer/survivor of Silicon Valley (and having gone through 3 start-ups) I have to ask - how is this any worse than now that it was during the Dot Com silliness?

      For every roughly 10 companies started in the valley - 9 fail. Nothing new about that! It was that way before I got here!

      New ideas are vital to the success of the place. Often they are bone-headed ideas? (How do you make money by giving things away for free - the common denominator in the Dot-Com era - as an example!) Others are obvious business models - Gee I think I'll build an on-line auction site (Ebay!) All have been tried - some failed and some soared.

      Point is - this is just the normal rough-and-tumbel of Silicon Valley. The author needs to get over himself!

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    3. Re:someone's gotta start the show by freeze128 · · Score: 2

      Maybe that's the point. Silicon Valley - 90% failure for decades. Then why do they keep up the hype? What makes a startup in Silicon Valley better than one in Iowa?

    4. Re:someone's gotta start the show by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Back in the 1990's it was always "citation needed" to many people offering insights into encryption or security questions.
      The brand of made in the USA is now connected to poor encryption, many forms of gov oversight and tight internal security laws.
      A generation is now aware of the political and legal connections needed to soar beyond just skills, friends and cash.
      It will be fun to see any changes. Coding next gen drones and helping the surveillance contractors could make money?

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    5. Re:someone's gotta start the show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The place is a shit hole. Literally. There are holes full of shit. Between the leather crowd and the homeless, the stench is unbearable.

    6. Re:someone's gotta start the show by jeffmeden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Being a 30+year observer/survivor of Silicon Valley (and having gone through 3 start-ups) I have to ask - how is this any worse than now that it was during the Dot Com silliness?

      For every roughly 10 companies started in the valley - 9 fail. Nothing new about that!

      Of small business entrepreneurial ventures, 9 out of 10 will fail, so that's not a revelation or admission of any sort. I think the real crux here is that the rate in the valley is more like 99 out of 100 will fail, and even though that sounds bad it's still not the actual problem; the problem is that the 1 that "makes it" is a bullshit platform like Instagram and the 99 that fail include actual valuable technologies like medical industry interop tools and the like.

    7. Re:someone's gotta start the show by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      In fact, the MS Research office does really awesome stuff.

      But few of those ideas make it into products. I have heard MS Research described as "the graveyard of great ideas."

    8. Re:someone's gotta start the show by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 2

      I think that much of the 90% failure rate has to be blamed on the venture firms, which are very reluctant to invest in any idea that isn't the 10th clone of an already highly visible and possibly successful idea. If you make the 100th photo sharing app with geotagging and integration with Facebook and it looks like it has a clean interface, you can probably find an investor. If you come up with a truly new concept you'll be met with blank stares and FUD based on the lack of a proven market.

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    9. Re:someone's gotta start the show by Jmc23 · · Score: 2

      Perhaps the problem is people like you? Instagram is for the masses, medical industry interop tools are not. It's all about size of the potential customer base to collect valuable data to sell. It has nothing to do with whether the programs have any 'use' but whether the programs can attract users as data points. Ever hear of a venture capitalist looking to make the world a better place instead of making money?

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    10. Re:someone's gotta start the show by mcrbids · · Score: 2

      The whole point of start ups is that they cost very little to try. Any bonehead with a few thousand bucks, a commodity education, and a couch near a microwave and at least 15 amps of power can create a start up. Since 90% of publicly announced start ups fail, you can be sure that plenty of boneheads have gone this route successfully.

      But even that 90% figure hides plenty. I have run a number of "technology previews" in order to try ideas out that were never announced. For example, I recently wrote a web service that linked with the youtube and a smart phone to automatically link training videos in context to written curricula. This allows me to enter content online and link to videos generated in real time without any necessary editing, linking, or cross-indexing. I'm pretty sure I could turn this into some sort of crowd-sourced open training thingie, but I never worked up a business plan.

      Does that count as a start up? I know it has never been announced as such, and it probably should count as a failure because it never went anywhere... so what's the real number? 99% failure? 99.999% failure?

      Who cares? In this random morass of ideological soup and one-off ideas emerges the occasional hit. And the one hit in 10/100/1000 really doesn't need to be that large in order to offset all the failures.

      As a start up kind of guy myself, I did about a half dozen start up ideas, to various stages of completion, one of which was *barely* profitable before I found one that got bite in the marketplace. It took just two years of struggling before my winner emerged. Now, I'm a partner in a small, obscure, B2B software company about the size of Reddit - 25 staff built up over 10 years, and a very comfortable living.

      I'm no Billionaire, and I have no dream of changing the world forever, just making life a little better for our hundreds of clients.

      Original Author's article was annoying: the type of vaguely critical article written by somebody who rates himself based on the number of obscure words chosen from the thesaurus to describe "omg they are so lame".

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    11. Re:someone's gotta start the show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      What makes a startup in Silicon Valley better than one in Iowa?

      The logistics of getting acquired or partnering with the large companies in the valley. Acquihiring only works if the new employees are close to the mother ship.

      Also, proximity matters for other reasons. One of the startups I worked for was acquired as a direct result of an overheard conversation at Starbucks. Without that conversation, the purchasing company would have never known we existed.

    12. Re:someone's gotta start the show by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly, look at the dual screen tablet they had, courier I think? You can have the greatest idea on the planet and if you do fuck all with it....what good was it?

      As far as MSFT not innovating, oh they do, its just ruined, half assed, and piss poor thanks to the legions of PHBs that have to get their 2c in. I mean who can look at the piss awful art school drop out mess that is Windows 8x and not realize it was designed by committee? Even the most basic rules of UI convention like control (user should feel they are in control of the OS, not feel helpless), conveyance (user should have enough visual clues and information they can figure out how to do basic tasks), continuity (user should consistently get the same result from the same action) simply do not exist in Win 8, the user feels lost and helpless as there is ZERO information given. How does a user find out there is a "charms bar", or as I call it the "Random in your face" bar? Is there a balloon? Pop up? Something? Nope they have to trip over it by accident. Not that they will be happy when they DO trip over it because they soon find because a touchpad just gives indications of movement and NOT position like a tablet the stupid OS treats ANY fast movement as a swipe gesture and cockblocks you with that damned charms bar.

      Hell I could go on all damned day listing the problems with Win 8 but I'll end with a little anecdote, my dad. My dad is about the most bog standard Windows user that has ever drawn breath, he chats, uses FB, does his Quickbooks, watches movies, completely bog standard stuff here. he needed a new laptop so after doing a little research I found one that was really nice, light, core i3, plenty of HDD space and memory, and most importantly had drivers for Win 7 so if dad didn't like Win 8 I could put on Win 7 easily. I decided to use this as a test of Win 8 and simply handed it to my dad, just as if he bought it himself and it showed up at his house. Now i didn't do ANYTHING to sour him on Win 8 or Metro, in fact i had actually wanted Win 8 to succeed as my dad has poor eyesight and I thought the large tiles might be easier to use.

      So how did it go? Less than an hour into the experiment dad wanted me to, and I quote "Take this piece of garbage and run over it with my truck". BTW he was DEADLY serious, Windows 8 pissed him off so much he was willing to gladly write off his new $500 laptop to see Windows 8 destroyed. So I took it home and after a night of hacking the registry and adding third party shells and generic touchpad drivers so i could kill that uncharming charms bar he is happy...with an OS that looks and acts 100% like Windows 7.

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    13. Re:someone's gotta start the show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You said you made sure it had windows 7 drivers, why didn't you just install windows 7 and have a good laptop in about an hour instead of spending "a night of hacking the registry"?

    14. Re:someone's gotta start the show by pspahn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But alas, we're seeing fewer tech hubs not more.

      You really think so? I grew up in the Bay Area, but still had family and regularly visited Colorado (where I now live).

      I remember as a kid that the only real "tech" here was the big IBM facility near Boulder (as I recall it was the printing division which turned into Lexmark, I could be wrong though). Then there was Celestial Seasonings... very Boulder... not very tech. I also recall Case Logic, which I guess was sort-of tech since they built stuff to hold disks and such, but that's a stretch.

      Now, heck, there's all kinds of tech here, and I think a huge factor in that is the quality/cost of life here is just so much better than The Bay.

      I know it's all anecdotal. Not everywhere is Denver/Boulder and that the conditions here are ripe for the "perfect storm" of start-ups (attractive to younger folks, lots of government money, geographically strategic). At the same time, though, the differences between The Bay 25 year ago and Denver 25 years ago are much greater than they are now, at least as far as "tech-start-upiness" goes. Also, it feels more organic here like it did in The Bay back then. You could even say that the intimidation factor of a well-funded Valley office would put off a lot of engineers, whereas the tendency for a more laid-back environment leads to less "rush rush rush" and more thoughtfulness.

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    15. Re:someone's gotta start the show by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Silicon Valley is full of non-startups who are thinking of ideas as well. The notion that only some dreamer who is mortgaging the family's future is able to think outside the box is a common myth but it's clearly wrong.

      Most startups are doomed anyway, again the myth is that the startup is where the money is but usually these are just small ideas that a venture capitalist wants to bet big on. A lot of them are just "me too" companies trying to do someone else's idea in a slightly different way, or they split off from a big company after being disgruntled that their idea wasn't accepted, or they split off thinking they can chase the rainbow too. I don't know why people focus so much thought on these companies when they really are such a small part of the industry. On the other hand, all this mythology surrounding them ensures a steady supply of gullible workers hoping to get rich and willing to work 80 hours a week for options instead of salaries.

      Great ideas are things that you might not see: how to make the chip run faster, a cheaper way to make medical technology, and so forth. Simple ideas are what catches the eye of the gambler: auto uploading of your pictures, a limited size to your message, a new acronym. I'd rather see more great ideas that don't make the front page of tech tabloids than the simple ideas that generate buzz but which don't mean anything.

    16. Re:someone's gotta start the show by HeckRuler · · Score: 2

      I'm pretty sure people are employed to loudly name-drop companies in conversation at various Starbucks in Silicon Valley.

    17. Re:someone's gotta start the show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If I were the type to write software, I would take the lesson here as: Make a bunch of shitty stupid apps that perform trivial functions that witless people would find entertaining. If my odds are 1 in 100 and it's all phoned in crap anyway, how long would it take me to hit on one that's a success? 1 year? Less if I churn them out 1 a day? Plus, you can use the obnoxious amount of money you made to invest in developing something actually useful. The end result is that you gave up your pride in only making Stuff That Matters to empower your ability to produce something that makes the world a better place. Or, you know... you can judge people on slashdot. It's your call.

    18. Re:someone's gotta start the show by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Because if MSFT stays on the same path Win 7 will be a red headed stepchild that gets updates late if at all by next year?

      Unless the new CEO changes the course ballmer put them on its "tablets ahoy!" while Win 7 gets left out in the cold. hell they have already said there will be NO service pack 2, which considering its something like 200 patches to take an SP1 Win 7 system to current should show how MSFT feels about those still on Win 7, and 8.1 is "apps apps apps, have we told you we have an appstore?" bullshit so its pretty obvious that Win 7 is gonna be treated like Vista, an OS that TECHNICALLY is still supported but which gets almost zero attention from the company.

      Besides like it or not its getting harder and harder to get new laptops with Windows 7 so I might as well learn now how to fix the bastard.

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  2. Answer to your question by Dishwasha · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How long can such a culture continue before it dries up, and the whole tech-investment cycle begins anew?

    As long as people with money keep getting sucked in by it

  3. Is this really any different... by babymac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    than the attitudes prevalent prior to the dot com bubble (and subsequent bust) in the late 1990s? All of that money being poured into companies with little to no revenue and no solid plans to generate revenue. It blew my mind at the time.

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    1. Re:Is this really any different... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No it's the same thing over and over again. That old saying about failing to learn history comes to mind. What I see is investors looking for the "next big" boom. Tech, Housing, Bonds, HFC. It's about trying take short cuts and jump in early as opposed to real investing.

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  4. Hey, don't knock it! by TWiTfan · · Score: 4, Funny

    As someone who has optioned sub-rentals on a lot of garages in Silicon Valley, I can't complain. Nothing attracts VC money like showing off how you're young, hip, and working in a garage in Silicon Valley!

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  5. No different than any other "business" culture. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What we're seeing here is that Silicon Valley has become no different than any other business/industry group. Flash, buzzwords, bullshit, business lunches, golf - People that are good at appearances rule in the business community, mostly to the harm of everyone else.

  6. They always exist by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In every boom there are con men who see piles of cash and people desperate to invest it. It has always annoyed me when these guys skip in from low-integrity industries like property development, come up with an idea that might even be impossible: "cluster smartphones into supercomputers for small business", round up millions of dollars, have the biggest booths at the local tech conferences, hire up a bunch of dillweeds, rent A+ locations, appear in dozens of self promoting articles "Top 40 under 40", drive around in $90,000 leased cars, and then flame out in a huge way. The only good thing is that when the bankruptcy people liquidate their stuff the stacks of unopened Aeron chairs and the Alienware computers go really cheap.

    The massive downside is that they give a black eye to, or outbid, anyone with a valid product trying to raise money, hire developers, and rent locations.

  7. Re:Dictator by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "the transformational potential of photo-sharing apps is more sinister and Orwellian than anything dreamt up by a dictator."

    Flickr is worse than Hitler? What?

    No, Milo's prose is worse than a triple shot cappuccino addled New York Times intern.

    Sounds like somebody got a hold of something too strong at Burning Man. Slow down guy, it's not worth getting that worked up about stuff like this.

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  8. Re:Dictator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    (If he'd had a modern PR team, he'd have branded himself Hitlr)

  9. a cycle like this each decade by peter303 · · Score: 2

    Dot.com 1.0 in the 1990s. A.I. and Pen computing in the 1980s. COBOL in the 1960s.
    It reaches this point when pundents say "eveyone should be a programmer". "It should be taught to 8 year olds and English majors." I've even heard some politicians say this in the last year. Not everyone has the temperment, motivation, special creativity to be a good programmer.
    The field turns into a bubble, it collapses and compuer science departments shrink. Inevitable.

  10. Re:Dictator by chill · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think someone is upset at the changes Yahoo is doing now that they have Tumblr. All of his llama porn was de-indexed.

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  11. Oh they don't do it for the money! by korbulon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They do it because it's hot, new, cool, chic, hip, swag, fly, swank, vogue, and gosh-darnit a whole lotta fun!

    The real legacy of Steve Jobs was to engender feelings of inadequacy in a whole generation of tech bosses. So instead of solid, maybe a little boring, mostly behind-the-scenes approach to technological development, we have everyone and their grandmother trying to emulate the once great king of consumer tech (long live the king!) with dramatic unveiling ceremonies that remind one more of a pop concert than a product release. Frankly, in some cases it's a little embarrassing, because not everyone can pull it off. In fact most people can't. So don't do it because you suck at it. I'm also looking at you, TED.

    When investors realize that new =/= good (and in most cases = shit), then we might finally witness the inevitable implosion and with any luck a healthier restructuring of the tech industry. But until then, thundercats ho!

  12. Re:Dictator by mjwalshe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well its the old rant - English majors who get upset when the status quo looks like it might being moving slightly to valuing technical skills.

  13. Re:Nothing new by JeanCroix · · Score: 2

    You forget the "crash" step.

  14. I hate the startup "culture" by hsmith · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am "bootstrapping" my latest venture and we are Doing quite well. But, I simply can't stand to talk to other startups. It is always "how much money we raised" or "how much are you raising" - the conversations never are about how much cash you are making and how many paying customers you have.

    There is a lot of allure to raising money and a lot of back patting, which is why I just can't stand them.

  15. Oblig Zombo by PHPNerd · · Score: 2

    Welcome to Zombocom! www.zombo.com

  16. Re:Dictator by EricTheGreen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would agree Milo is laying it on waaaaay too heavy here....but, honestly, have you met the people he's describing? "Evangelists", "Community Developers", "Mentors", "Facilitators" and their ilk? They have no technical skills to value.

  17. It's all about posturing by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In the site/book Stuff White People Like, the article about "Awareness" summed up much of this mentality:

    This belief allows them to feel that sweet self-satisfaction without actually having to solve anything or face any difficult challenges. Because, the only challenge of raising awareness is people not being aware. In a worst case scenario, if you fail someone doesn’t know about the problem. End of story.

    Getting clean water consistently in a hell hole like much of Africa is a truly transformative experience for many people. Public sanitation, reliable electricity, etc. Nothing your mobile/web app is doing is as transformative for the world as replicating consistent, basic utilities for all of mankind. It's unsexy work that is more commonly associated with redneck laborers (guys who actually make these systems work) than hipsters.

  18. Re:Or Maybe... by MechanicJay · · Score: 2

    Of course there is always the view that the language you "learn" with in school is largely irrelevant, learning how to develop software and solve problems is the skill. The underlying concepts are what's important, not that you understand the specific syntax of the language -- My undergrad program was taught *entirely* in Java -- I haven’t written a single line of Java code since graduation.

  19. Conflicting. by gallondr00nk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Technology companies have produced remarkably brilliant new opportunities and efficiencies, but they have also raised the specter of lives bled of purpose, of the inhumanity of the new social structures that are emerging. What do we do to keep everyone gainfully occupied when globalization and technological change render the bottom two thirds of society redundant?

    This is a point that I always feel gratified reading, and it really cannot be stated often enough. We are reaching a stage where we simply don't need as many people employed as we used to. Instagram was worth $1 billion when it was bought by Facebook, and it had only 13 employees. Could you imagine thirty years ago any business at all being worth that sort of money with a dozen employees?

    It isn't just web services though, it's the manufacturing and retail / service sectors too. Even down to those obnoxious self checkout machines in supermarkets, which are costing several people a job while at the same time making the customer do more of the work.

    We're already in a position where job creation is lagging population growth. How much worse will it need to get before people actually start discussing this?

    (My pet solution is a guaranteed minimum income, enough to allow people to live comfortably with a decent amount of disposable income.)

    1. Re:Conflicting. by hwstar · · Score: 2

      I guaranteed income is the right solution, but I don't have much faith in it happening; especially in the United States. It goes against the ingrained Puritan work ethic.

      When someone becomes unemployable, they currently either go on SSI, or are supported by their families. A TED conference predicted there could be up to 75% of the population in an unemployable state in a few decades' time. There is no way that 75% of the US population could be on SSI or supported by their families.
      This isn't going to be pretty and people are going to suffer before it gets better.

  20. Was this article drafted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Someone found a thesaurus!

    "The artifice of start-up culture is a portent of what is to come."
    "At once the zenith of the cult of excessively educated bourgeois bohemians and nadir of a glossy new venture-capital-funded geek culture..."

    This reads as a writers masturbatory exercise.

  21. Just be careful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I had a good position in a large, solid software company for over 8 years, but last year I was feeling bored of doing the same things for so long, and my thinking was: "well, I live in Silicon Valley so I should give a start-up a chance", so I started looking around. The sheer amount of start-ups out there with grandiose visions of changing the world is insane!

    I can absolutely validate some of the comments on this thread as I've seen them myself, but what I really want to emphasize here, is that start-up "CEOs" will lie, and will promise you infinite wealth with no backing whatsoever. It not only about the products, which many times sound good (even if they are just smoke and mirrors), but it's also about their business practices. Many of these companies don't yet have a culture other than "survive and grow", so ethics and even business appropriate behavior is not there. Many times their HR is just an external service and there is no recourse if you have an issue.

    I ended up leaving my position, joining the start-up and working my ass off for almost half a year when I realized this was really going nowhere. One day, out of the blue, the CEO called me to his office and said "we need you too leave" just like that. No explanation other than "there is no fit". Later on I realized he was right, I was no fit for their "culture", and I ended up coming back to my former employer, this time in a better role with 20-25% more pay than I had before. But I know I was also lucky. It could have been way worst.

    So here are my lessons learned in hopes that this will be useful to anyone out there:
    - Do your homework. Research the leadership team, their track record of success or failure as well as each one of their investors.
    - Don't trust in anything verbal. Every promise must be clearly in writing
    - Negotiate your contract. Never take their "stock contract" that only protects them. Invest in a legal service ahead of time and have your own template.
    - Make sure you negotiate your exit as part of the contract. It's like a pre-nuptial agreement. You can't imagine it's going to be useful some day. - When you are evaluating a company, leave your passion, your beliefs and your ideals at the door. It's business. Look at them as a business that will be the source of your livelihood. How viable are they really?

    If any of the points above don't click, then leave. Don't take it. There are another hundred of them out there. Most will die but a few will make it. Do everything in your power to choose wisely.

  22. ^this by globaljustin · · Score: 2

    also: NASA and NIST have major presence in Boulder...i think Deep Impact control was in Boulder?

    the Boulder tech sector is mini, but it exists...it's alot of little ad-on companies that have one institutional client (usually military)

    technically, if two GIS PhD's take their geospatial mapping program they developed for their thesis and then use their connections from their academic program to basically implement their thesis project into some government project...

    technically, that's a "startup" but I don't think it applies in this context...

    because of things like facebook, people think of a "startup" as a small new company planning to become big that provides a product or service they would use

    many "startups" are not that...they are just an extention of academia into the government contracting sector

    even Microsoft started that way...the military wanted a computer on every desk, and IBM was the contractor...IBM needed to find some company that would shut up and follow orders...enter Bill Gates...

    it was the money from that contract that made M$ successful...sure it's a 'startup' and no one would turn down those riches...but in analyzing 'what's wrong with startup culture' we have to make sure we know what we mean

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  23. the difference.... by globaljustin · · Score: 2

    is scale

    in all facets...data travels faster, what was text is now video, 'mobile', cpu speeds are exponetially higher...

    which means *we can do more*

    my example is Goldman/Sach's style high speed trading...they use Erlang to make trades litterally as fast as the wires can transmit the data and exploit latencies for $$$...were talking microseconds...

    that means a market changing scale of trading (profit) in a non-human readable timeframe...

    that is different

    I surely agree that somewhere in the comparison between the original '.com bubble' and now you can say, "it's all the same...it's all just X"

    TFA lists out 5 differences that I think are *very insightful*

    Silicon Valley experiences painful and periodic catharses because, despite the wondrousness of its A/B testing and habit-forming products, its leaders have consistently failed to grasp some basic human truths.
    One, that we prefer our private sphere to stay private.
    Two, that we vote with our feet to abandon just as quickly as we do to subscribe.
    Three, that when all’s said and done, we’d prefer to supply cash up front and enter into an honest relationship with manufacturers and service providers, rather than be pushed digital drugs and pay for them later with privacy compromises.
    Four, that we have nothing in common with the self-regarding Californian startup culture that claims to be “changing the world” while delivering little besides personalized advertising delivery networks.
    And five, that we see behind the curtain and we know how shallow, disingenuous and exploitative this culture is.

    Now, if you said that 1 & 3 were as true in 1890 as in 1990 I would agree...still comparitively now might be stronger

    #2 is a hardcore truth that could make someone a billion dollars...the sheer ease at which a person can switch social networks or copy and share music is a technical advancement that fundamentally alters the economic factors in consumer decisions...a 'game changer' as they say

    one billion users could leave facebook with 4 clicks of a mouse in a day (if you had good IT guys running your servers ;)

    IBM never had to *consider* a mass exodus of subscribers in such a fasion

    #4 & 5 go together and represent valuable 'case study' data...you can't know if Silicon Valley guys are truly 'tech' unless you talk to them, look over their shoulder, etc...a Shaun Parker can make himself out to be a Shaun Fanning easily...

    heh, it's sort of like when Oliva Munn was on that Gamer show...the controversy over whether she was really a 'gamer' or just a hottie bimbo...I always said I assume the latter until I play her in SFII turbo *myself*

    So yeah, it's different...and IMHO, for the 5 reasons in TFA, I think that difference is significant

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    Thank you Dave Raggett