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Silicon Valley's Loony Cheerleading Culture Is Out of Control

Nerval's Lobster writes "Kernel editor-in-chief and noted firebrand Milo Yiannopoulos swings away at Silicon Valley's current startup culture, noting that it's resulted in herds of wannabe founders and startup groupies who don't exactly have a track record of starting successful companies or even producing solid code. 'Though they produce little of value, they are the naive soft power behind aggressive capitalist machines in Silicon Valley: the trend-setting vanguard of the global Web and mobile industries,' he writes. 'We should be very wary indeed of these vacuous cheerleaders whose vague waffle about the transformational potential of photo-sharing apps is more sinister and Orwellian than anything dreamt up by a dictator.' How long can such a culture continue before it dries up, and the whole tech-investment cycle begins anew?"

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  1. someone's gotta start the show by themushroom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While the content being generated by these startups may be vacuous, there is at least the spark of new ideas (in some cases) or tangental thought that leads to other ideas. Someone else does the real legwork if it's a good spark, if these small startups can only talk the talk. Contrast the want-to-do's with the Microsoft archtype of staying safe and not innovating or thinking fresh.

    There is some value to the cheerleading, even if it's just to provide grain for others to mill.

    1. Re:someone's gotta start the show by afidel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      MS innovates, just slowly. I wish more of these guys ideas got turned into products each year, if they did MS probably wouldn't have the reputation they do of a stoggy business only company.

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    2. Re:someone's gotta start the show by stevew · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Being a 30+year observer/survivor of Silicon Valley (and having gone through 3 start-ups) I have to ask - how is this any worse than now that it was during the Dot Com silliness?

      For every roughly 10 companies started in the valley - 9 fail. Nothing new about that! It was that way before I got here!

      New ideas are vital to the success of the place. Often they are bone-headed ideas? (How do you make money by giving things away for free - the common denominator in the Dot-Com era - as an example!) Others are obvious business models - Gee I think I'll build an on-line auction site (Ebay!) All have been tried - some failed and some soared.

      Point is - this is just the normal rough-and-tumbel of Silicon Valley. The author needs to get over himself!

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    3. Re:someone's gotta start the show by jeffmeden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Being a 30+year observer/survivor of Silicon Valley (and having gone through 3 start-ups) I have to ask - how is this any worse than now that it was during the Dot Com silliness?

      For every roughly 10 companies started in the valley - 9 fail. Nothing new about that!

      Of small business entrepreneurial ventures, 9 out of 10 will fail, so that's not a revelation or admission of any sort. I think the real crux here is that the rate in the valley is more like 99 out of 100 will fail, and even though that sounds bad it's still not the actual problem; the problem is that the 1 that "makes it" is a bullshit platform like Instagram and the 99 that fail include actual valuable technologies like medical industry interop tools and the like.

    4. Re:someone's gotta start the show by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly, look at the dual screen tablet they had, courier I think? You can have the greatest idea on the planet and if you do fuck all with it....what good was it?

      As far as MSFT not innovating, oh they do, its just ruined, half assed, and piss poor thanks to the legions of PHBs that have to get their 2c in. I mean who can look at the piss awful art school drop out mess that is Windows 8x and not realize it was designed by committee? Even the most basic rules of UI convention like control (user should feel they are in control of the OS, not feel helpless), conveyance (user should have enough visual clues and information they can figure out how to do basic tasks), continuity (user should consistently get the same result from the same action) simply do not exist in Win 8, the user feels lost and helpless as there is ZERO information given. How does a user find out there is a "charms bar", or as I call it the "Random in your face" bar? Is there a balloon? Pop up? Something? Nope they have to trip over it by accident. Not that they will be happy when they DO trip over it because they soon find because a touchpad just gives indications of movement and NOT position like a tablet the stupid OS treats ANY fast movement as a swipe gesture and cockblocks you with that damned charms bar.

      Hell I could go on all damned day listing the problems with Win 8 but I'll end with a little anecdote, my dad. My dad is about the most bog standard Windows user that has ever drawn breath, he chats, uses FB, does his Quickbooks, watches movies, completely bog standard stuff here. he needed a new laptop so after doing a little research I found one that was really nice, light, core i3, plenty of HDD space and memory, and most importantly had drivers for Win 7 so if dad didn't like Win 8 I could put on Win 7 easily. I decided to use this as a test of Win 8 and simply handed it to my dad, just as if he bought it himself and it showed up at his house. Now i didn't do ANYTHING to sour him on Win 8 or Metro, in fact i had actually wanted Win 8 to succeed as my dad has poor eyesight and I thought the large tiles might be easier to use.

      So how did it go? Less than an hour into the experiment dad wanted me to, and I quote "Take this piece of garbage and run over it with my truck". BTW he was DEADLY serious, Windows 8 pissed him off so much he was willing to gladly write off his new $500 laptop to see Windows 8 destroyed. So I took it home and after a night of hacking the registry and adding third party shells and generic touchpad drivers so i could kill that uncharming charms bar he is happy...with an OS that looks and acts 100% like Windows 7.

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    5. Re:someone's gotta start the show by pspahn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But alas, we're seeing fewer tech hubs not more.

      You really think so? I grew up in the Bay Area, but still had family and regularly visited Colorado (where I now live).

      I remember as a kid that the only real "tech" here was the big IBM facility near Boulder (as I recall it was the printing division which turned into Lexmark, I could be wrong though). Then there was Celestial Seasonings... very Boulder... not very tech. I also recall Case Logic, which I guess was sort-of tech since they built stuff to hold disks and such, but that's a stretch.

      Now, heck, there's all kinds of tech here, and I think a huge factor in that is the quality/cost of life here is just so much better than The Bay.

      I know it's all anecdotal. Not everywhere is Denver/Boulder and that the conditions here are ripe for the "perfect storm" of start-ups (attractive to younger folks, lots of government money, geographically strategic). At the same time, though, the differences between The Bay 25 year ago and Denver 25 years ago are much greater than they are now, at least as far as "tech-start-upiness" goes. Also, it feels more organic here like it did in The Bay back then. You could even say that the intimidation factor of a well-funded Valley office would put off a lot of engineers, whereas the tendency for a more laid-back environment leads to less "rush rush rush" and more thoughtfulness.

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    6. Re:someone's gotta start the show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If I were the type to write software, I would take the lesson here as: Make a bunch of shitty stupid apps that perform trivial functions that witless people would find entertaining. If my odds are 1 in 100 and it's all phoned in crap anyway, how long would it take me to hit on one that's a success? 1 year? Less if I churn them out 1 a day? Plus, you can use the obnoxious amount of money you made to invest in developing something actually useful. The end result is that you gave up your pride in only making Stuff That Matters to empower your ability to produce something that makes the world a better place. Or, you know... you can judge people on slashdot. It's your call.

  2. Answer to your question by Dishwasha · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How long can such a culture continue before it dries up, and the whole tech-investment cycle begins anew?

    As long as people with money keep getting sucked in by it

  3. Is this really any different... by babymac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    than the attitudes prevalent prior to the dot com bubble (and subsequent bust) in the late 1990s? All of that money being poured into companies with little to no revenue and no solid plans to generate revenue. It blew my mind at the time.

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    1. Re:Is this really any different... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No it's the same thing over and over again. That old saying about failing to learn history comes to mind. What I see is investors looking for the "next big" boom. Tech, Housing, Bonds, HFC. It's about trying take short cuts and jump in early as opposed to real investing.

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  4. Hey, don't knock it! by TWiTfan · · Score: 4, Funny

    As someone who has optioned sub-rentals on a lot of garages in Silicon Valley, I can't complain. Nothing attracts VC money like showing off how you're young, hip, and working in a garage in Silicon Valley!

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  5. They always exist by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In every boom there are con men who see piles of cash and people desperate to invest it. It has always annoyed me when these guys skip in from low-integrity industries like property development, come up with an idea that might even be impossible: "cluster smartphones into supercomputers for small business", round up millions of dollars, have the biggest booths at the local tech conferences, hire up a bunch of dillweeds, rent A+ locations, appear in dozens of self promoting articles "Top 40 under 40", drive around in $90,000 leased cars, and then flame out in a huge way. The only good thing is that when the bankruptcy people liquidate their stuff the stacks of unopened Aeron chairs and the Alienware computers go really cheap.

    The massive downside is that they give a black eye to, or outbid, anyone with a valid product trying to raise money, hire developers, and rent locations.

  6. Re:Dictator by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "the transformational potential of photo-sharing apps is more sinister and Orwellian than anything dreamt up by a dictator."

    Flickr is worse than Hitler? What?

    No, Milo's prose is worse than a triple shot cappuccino addled New York Times intern.

    Sounds like somebody got a hold of something too strong at Burning Man. Slow down guy, it's not worth getting that worked up about stuff like this.

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  7. Re:Dictator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    (If he'd had a modern PR team, he'd have branded himself Hitlr)

  8. Re:Dictator by chill · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think someone is upset at the changes Yahoo is doing now that they have Tumblr. All of his llama porn was de-indexed.

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  9. Oh they don't do it for the money! by korbulon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They do it because it's hot, new, cool, chic, hip, swag, fly, swank, vogue, and gosh-darnit a whole lotta fun!

    The real legacy of Steve Jobs was to engender feelings of inadequacy in a whole generation of tech bosses. So instead of solid, maybe a little boring, mostly behind-the-scenes approach to technological development, we have everyone and their grandmother trying to emulate the once great king of consumer tech (long live the king!) with dramatic unveiling ceremonies that remind one more of a pop concert than a product release. Frankly, in some cases it's a little embarrassing, because not everyone can pull it off. In fact most people can't. So don't do it because you suck at it. I'm also looking at you, TED.

    When investors realize that new =/= good (and in most cases = shit), then we might finally witness the inevitable implosion and with any luck a healthier restructuring of the tech industry. But until then, thundercats ho!

  10. Re:Dictator by mjwalshe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well its the old rant - English majors who get upset when the status quo looks like it might being moving slightly to valuing technical skills.

  11. I hate the startup "culture" by hsmith · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am "bootstrapping" my latest venture and we are Doing quite well. But, I simply can't stand to talk to other startups. It is always "how much money we raised" or "how much are you raising" - the conversations never are about how much cash you are making and how many paying customers you have.

    There is a lot of allure to raising money and a lot of back patting, which is why I just can't stand them.

  12. Re:Dictator by EricTheGreen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would agree Milo is laying it on waaaaay too heavy here....but, honestly, have you met the people he's describing? "Evangelists", "Community Developers", "Mentors", "Facilitators" and their ilk? They have no technical skills to value.

  13. It's all about posturing by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In the site/book Stuff White People Like, the article about "Awareness" summed up much of this mentality:

    This belief allows them to feel that sweet self-satisfaction without actually having to solve anything or face any difficult challenges. Because, the only challenge of raising awareness is people not being aware. In a worst case scenario, if you fail someone doesn’t know about the problem. End of story.

    Getting clean water consistently in a hell hole like much of Africa is a truly transformative experience for many people. Public sanitation, reliable electricity, etc. Nothing your mobile/web app is doing is as transformative for the world as replicating consistent, basic utilities for all of mankind. It's unsexy work that is more commonly associated with redneck laborers (guys who actually make these systems work) than hipsters.

  14. Conflicting. by gallondr00nk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Technology companies have produced remarkably brilliant new opportunities and efficiencies, but they have also raised the specter of lives bled of purpose, of the inhumanity of the new social structures that are emerging. What do we do to keep everyone gainfully occupied when globalization and technological change render the bottom two thirds of society redundant?

    This is a point that I always feel gratified reading, and it really cannot be stated often enough. We are reaching a stage where we simply don't need as many people employed as we used to. Instagram was worth $1 billion when it was bought by Facebook, and it had only 13 employees. Could you imagine thirty years ago any business at all being worth that sort of money with a dozen employees?

    It isn't just web services though, it's the manufacturing and retail / service sectors too. Even down to those obnoxious self checkout machines in supermarkets, which are costing several people a job while at the same time making the customer do more of the work.

    We're already in a position where job creation is lagging population growth. How much worse will it need to get before people actually start discussing this?

    (My pet solution is a guaranteed minimum income, enough to allow people to live comfortably with a decent amount of disposable income.)

  15. Was this article drafted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Someone found a thesaurus!

    "The artifice of start-up culture is a portent of what is to come."
    "At once the zenith of the cult of excessively educated bourgeois bohemians and nadir of a glossy new venture-capital-funded geek culture..."

    This reads as a writers masturbatory exercise.