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The Golden Gate Barrage: New Ideas To Counter Sea Level Rise

waderoush writes "What do Google, Facebook, Yahoo, Oracle, LinkedIn, and Intuit have in common? They're just a few of the tech companies whose campuses alongside San Francisco Bay could be underwater by mid-century as sea levels rise. It's time for these organizations and other innovators to put some of their fabled brainpower into coming up with new ideas to counter the threat, Xconomy argues today. One idea: the Golden Gate Barrage, a massive system of dams, locks, and pumps located in the shadow of the iconic bridge. Taller than the Three Gorges Dam in China, it would be one of the largest and costliest projects in the history of civil engineering. But at least one Bay Area government official says might turn out to be the simplest way to save hundreds of square miles of land around the bay from inundation."

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  1. Or... by nick357 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...maybe put that brainpower into solving the actual global problem, rather than finding a bandaid solution to the local symptom....

    1. Re:Or... by mpaque · · Score: 5, Informative

      > when and if sea level actually starts to rise... we'll talk

      Water level measurements from the San Francisco gage (CA Station ID: 9414290) indicate that mean sea level rose by an average of 2.01 millimeters (mm) per year from 1897 to 2006, equivalent to a change of eight inches in the last century. The rate of rise has increased to about 3 mm per year over the past 15 years.

      This is the oldest tidal guage in continuous operation in the United States, and is located near the Golden Gate.

      http://www.energy.ca.gov/2012publications/CEC-500-2012-014/CEC-500-2012-014.pdf

    2. Re:Or... by dywolf · · Score: 5, Informative

      Essentially your starting point is inherently invalid: a rise in the Pacific Ocean wont necessary result in a raise of all the other oceans. As pointed out, already the Pacific Ocean is higher than the Atlantic. This is most easily seen at the Panama Canal, where there's only 50 miles of seperation, yet a 30 foot difference in elevation (which when talking about oceans, is a HUGE difference in volume). You'd think there would be flow around the continents to even out the sea levels, but thats ignoring how the difference came to be int eh first place. The difference is created and maintained by the thermohaline circulation of the ocean.

      Simiarly tides aren't uniform around the world. Some places the tidal range is less than a foot. Other's its >30 feet. The record is 53 feet, located somewhere in Nova Scotia (i think). Local geography (water basin shape/size) and local gravity distortions (mountains/valleys) all have an effect on tides.

      Water flows. Changes in water level aren't instantaneous. Even ignoring any of the internal currents, tides, geography (that would affect flow rates), and the thermohaline circulation inherent in the ocean and assuming the ocean has a prismatic uniformity of nature, the ocean is so large that even small changes in sea level would take a long time to propogate worldwide. And as point out, some differences in sea level wont propagate.

      And of course the ocean ISNT uniform in nature. its very dynamic, precisely because of its large size. the thermohaline circulation has a lot to do with why the ocean doesnt have a uniformity of elevation worldwide, and is probably similarly responsible for the most different rates/amounts of local sea level rise. then there's still the tides and such as well on top of that.

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  2. SanFran would be the new NOLA. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's build an extremely complex system of levees in an area prone to high magnitude earthquakes.

    What could possibly go wrong?

  3. Re:So... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sort of neutral about Google, but drowning those other three companies in salt water sounds like a net plus to me.

    Keep the heat on. Lets put a whole bunch more shrimp on the barbies! (They'll probably go extinct in a couple of decades anyway).

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  4. So, who pays? by timeOday · · Score: 5, Interesting
    In general it is good to make people accountable for the costs of their own actions. In the case of global warming, many of the people who burned much of the fossil fuel will be dead by the time the consequences occur, and in addition it's a global cause.

    I wonder if we wouldn't just be better off writing some laws now that say, "look, don't come crying to us when your expensive beach-front property goes underwater. Factor that into the price before you buy."

    We need a carbon tax just to speed the transition to less less-polluting energy sources; if we instead use that money to repair thousands of miles of coastline and keep burning fossil fuel, we solve nothing.

  5. Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to NOAA, the actual average sea level rise over the last 100 years has been about 2 MILLIMETERS per year, or 200mm/century, or about 8 inches per 100 years. Here's the official data http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?stnid=9414290. If you look at the chart you'll see that the trend has actually dropped to about zero mm / year for the last 30 years.

    So, in light of this, we need the biggest engineering project in history?

  6. Re:Those places must suck to work in today... by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or add four feet of dirt.

    The water portion of the SF Bay was once twice the size it is right now. The reason those pieces of commercial (and residential) real estate are vulnerable is they are built on areas that once were 6 inches underwater at hide tide. They are not underwater every single day because dirt was shipped in.

    They shipped in four feet of dirt to create the problem. How about we solve the problem with four more feet of dirt?

    As for the barrage, the ecological costs would be enormous. A few merely massive pumping stations is not going to prevent the bay water from becoming a smelly cess pool polluted by agricultural runoff and much worse from the residential areas. It is a fun idea for civil engineers, but we are wealthy enough here to employ less tricky solution that will be more reliable.

  7. Re:So... by jythie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With cash reserves like their's, they can just move instead. There is nothing special about the land they are using... the historical reason such projects made sense in the past was they were reclaiming farmable land, which is not quite as interchangeable as corporate parks.

  8. Re:So... by TheNastyInThePasty · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This article is one of the dumbest things I have read in a long time. Not only is the dam system stupid but there's no way these companies would actually do this. It's so much cheaper and easier to just move to a new location.

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  9. Re:So... by roc97007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, of course. Even if for some reason the companys elected to stay, they'd naturally expect the government to build the structures using taxpayer money.

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