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Will Robots Replace Rent-a-Cops?

Daniel_Stuckey writes "Now, an EU-funded, £7.2 million ($11 million USD) collaborative project, called Strands, is underway in England to develop 4D, artificial intelligence for security and care applications. It aims to produce intelligent robo-sentinels that can patrol areas, and learn to detect abnormalities in human behavior. Could their project eventually replace security guards with robots? It looks possible. Strands, as Nick Hawes of the University of Birmingham said, will 'develop novel approaches to extract spatio-temporal structure from sensor data gathered during months of autonomous operation,' to develop intelligence that can then 'exploit [those] structures to yield adaptive behavior in highly demanding, real-world security and care scenarios.'"

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  1. This sounds familiar... by rwyoder · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Please put down your weapon! You have 20 seconds to comply!"

    1. Re:This sounds familiar... by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Damn! You beat me to it. Anyway, from TFA:

      Strands, as Nick Hawes of the University of Birmingham said, will "develop novel approaches to extract spatio-temporal structure from sensor data gathered during months of autonomous operation," to develop intelligence that can then "exploit [those] structures to yield adaptive behavior in highly demanding, real-world security and care scenarios."

      The key problem with that is that the subjects the robot is studying will know that they are being studied and will be able to alter their behaviour to change what the robot "learns".

    2. Re:This sounds familiar... by slick7 · · Score: 2

      "Please put down your weapon! You have 20 seconds to comply!"

      They won't be taken seriously until someone loses an eye. When a robot kills a human and the courts declare it justifiable, open season begins.

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    3. Re:This sounds familiar... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Do land mines count as robots? They're pretty dumb, but autonomously so.

    4. Re:This sounds familiar... by gagol · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...and put an arduino in it!

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    5. Re:This sounds familiar... by slick7 · · Score: 2

      Do land mines count as robots? They're pretty dumb, but autonomously so.

      Only if they dig themselves up, move and then rebury.

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    6. Re:This sounds familiar... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Only if they have some kind of system within them that can differentiate between two loads which are both sufficient to trip the mine, or similar. Robots make their own decisions. Going off when a contact is closed doesn't count.

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    7. Re:This sounds familiar... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      "Only if they dig themselves up, move and then rebury." Ideally they'll have spider-legs and make a horrible scuttling noise during this process.

  2. Why bother patrolling? by ron_ivi · · Score: 2

    If you're going for automation - why not just fixed cameras and other sensors covering the whole area?

    1. Re:Why bother patrolling? by Kjella · · Score: 2

      If you're going for automation - why not just fixed cameras and other sensors covering the whole area?

      Cost and because they're also easier to map out and avoid? It doesn't need to be everywhere, it's enough that it could be everywhere as that makes the risk non-zero no matter the plan. I don't see this as an either-or, you'd want basic surveillance of the whole area with roaming security to add some dynamic to the system.

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  3. £7.4 million? by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 3

    Nick Hawes sounds like just another tired academic jumping on the bandwagon of grant money for security applications.

    Shame on him.

  4. Only if you can pay less Insurance by tuppe666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The reality of a security guard is your main job is...to lower insurance costs. The reasons if you need to be a serious criminal to want to go through a human, these robots don't have deterrent...but I suspect nothing like the costs. The fact is accountants will decide this one.

    In case your confused about what a security guard really does this is a clip from mike leighs Naked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N90sl94g7PE

  5. Blue screen of death kills jay walker by JoeyRox · · Score: 2

    A pedestrian crossing the street outside the marked cross walk at Abner Ave. was killed today when a Patrolling Robot experienced a malfunction while writing a traffic citation at the scene. Authorities aren't clear yet on what happened but when paramedics arrived at the scene they found the robot's probe impaled in the suspects anus and a blank blue screen indicating an IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL exception.

  6. hm.... by metalmaster · · Score: 2, Funny

    gimme a roomba, a broom stick and a pivoting webcam.

    1. Re:hm.... by rwyoder · · Score: 4, Funny

      gimme a roomba, a broom stick and a pivoting webcam.

      Pervert.

    2. Re:hm.... by Kjella · · Score: 2

      And so the Dalek 0.1 was born ;)

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  7. What are abnormalities? by betterprimate · · Score: 2

    For the rent-a-cop, abnormalities are: black, brown, poor, disabled or disordered, etc., ... unprepared, or even intelligent. Being intelligent is just too suspicious. Can the robot do all that?

    Everytime I visit the grocery store nearby, it's like a game of pacman. They have about six security guards per isle and they follow me around like dim-witted ghosts. I have to hurriedly snatch up my bread, coffee, and milk to make it safely to checkout.

    1. Re:What are abnormalities? by m00sh · · Score: 2

      Everytime I visit the grocery store nearby, it's like a game of pacman. They have about six security guards per isle and they follow me around like dim-witted ghosts. I have to hurriedly snatch up my bread, coffee, and milk to make it safely to checkout.

      I have no idea what kind of grocery store you go to but the one I go to has hundreds of cameras mounted above the isles. If they follow me, they do so in the comfort of their central room where they can view the camera feeds.

      Since there is only one exit to the grocery store, they can always nab me there if needed.

      Plus, most stores employ plain clothes loss prevention agents who disguise themselves as shoppers. They get rewarded for every shoplifter they catch because if you are caught shoplifting, they will offer to make a deal with you for $400 to not press charges in the local courts.

    2. Re:What are abnormalities? by Jmc23 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I have the unfortunate predilection of acting the same towards everybody and being extremely idealistic. Growing up english in quebec there were always situations like this. Granted, I wouldn't call my behaviour tough, just naive and autistic. However, I never backed down and things always worked out in the end.

      I'm not sure if MX is supposed to stand for mexico, but when I was living there, no matter the attitude of the person, if I treated them like any other human (and I do that because I see them as any other human) they were unable to do anything but treat me the same. It's amazing how treating others the same as you would treat yourself can even get police that were looking for bribes to let you go free. Once, an enraged crack addict in withdrawal broke his hand against a concrete wall because he couldn't bring himself to harm me because of the way I had treated him.

      Change the way you see them in your head and you might find that they change the way they act towards you.

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  8. NYPD BlueBot by Jessified · · Score: 4, Funny

    "It aims to produce intelligent robo-sentinels that can patrol areas, and learn to detect abnormalities in human behavior."

    Forget "abnormalities," if they just programmed the robots to detect and harass black people, you could replace the entire NYPD!

  9. Re:Overlords by narcc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or you could just push them over, slowly walk up a set of stairs, toss a towel over them, or any of a zillion simple ways to significantly disable them that even the fattest mall-cop would easily overcome.

  10. We already have seven of these advanced models... by pubwvj · · Score: 3, Funny

    We already have seven of these. They're called D.O.Gs. Work great. Highly intelligent and programmable. Self directed. Loyal. Obedient. Self-replicating. Able to power themselves off of local rodents and farm wastes (meat & bones). They're also good at herding livestock.

  11. Re:"abnormalities in human behavior"? by djupedal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Can these robots use tasers or shoot people with firearms? Many "rent a cops" are off-duty police officers earning a little beer money.

    I'd rather trust an armed robot over a rent-a-cop any day. Last time one shot at me, the real cops that showed up hauled him off and lamented I didn't use the firearm we all agreed wasn't under the seat of my car...

  12. Human element required by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 2

    Robots do not eat donuts.

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  13. Who Will Protect the Robo-cops? by cookYourDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Good luck patrolling the streets with machines composed of rare earth metals, proprietary design, and expensive hardware. Unless these things can protect themselves (hint: no), expect them to be walking (or rolling) targets for salvage.

  14. Something is wrong. by houbou · · Score: 2

    This is really where we need to balance our drive for automation with the need for human intuition and thinking.

    I will bet that it will be easy at first to hack these robots.

    I'm weary about more and more machines taking the place of humans in the workforce.

    Actually, what I'm really weary about is that it's great to have new technologies which can replace human labor, but there should also be something to offset where the human labor gets a chance to learn new skills to get other types of employment.

    After all, a person who can't get a fair chance at work, well, that's simply wrong, as it remove this person some dignity.

    Society needs to balance all of this, so that everybody has a chance to contribute to something and get monetary rewards.

    It's simple economics.

    This is where for once, our government should step in and balance things out, for the good of the people, who are also taxpayers. Promote the work, promote human labor and promote the moving of currency so that everybody has a chance to live.

  15. If I recall by Dereck1701 · · Score: 2

    If I recall correctly there are some military bases in the western United States that have had ARMED robot sentries for the better part of a decade. I suppose these are not exactly the smartest robots ever, little more than unmanned ATVs with sensor packages driving preprogrammed routes looking for movement/heat sources. If they find one they target their gun and wait for orders from a manned security post. While I don't have a real problem with security drones arming them with anything (lethal or non) is a bad idea, many authority figures already have god complex, I can only imagine it getting worse if they have the power of life, death & excruciating pain at the behest of their keyboard.

    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2008/02/army-gets-more/

  16. I wonder if detectible abnormalities in behavior by mark_reh · · Score: 2

    include having dark skin...

  17. Re:Overlords by blindseer · · Score: 2

    Couple people get 10 years for malicious mischief and felony destruction of state property, and those cameras stay untouched.

    Then explain to me how destroying cameras in the UK has become a new form of recreation? They've got destruction of government cameras down to a science.

    With suspended cameras they hang an old tire from it, fill the bottom with gasoline, and put a match to it. The flames will crack lenses, boil away electronics, and make a general mess of things. Cameras closer to the ground are generally treated to baseball bats and pry bars. Ones out of reach from ladders or bats, or a potential for bodily harm from burning, get pelted with paintballs.

    Given a large enough population, and enough cameras, and you will reach the statistical certainty that cameras will be destroyed by someone that doesn't give a shit. Unless the people responsible meet swift and sure punishment word will spread that it's open season on cameras. Which is precisely what happened in the UK.

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  18. Re:Overlords by Kijori · · Score: 2

    Which is precisely what happened in the UK.

    This story just isn't true. There was a rash of speed camera vandalisms here a few years ago, which has dissipated. They still get vandalised (of course, like everything) but not in any widespread systematic way. Driving around it's rare to see vandalised cameras.
    I tried to find some figures for what proportion of speed cameras were destroyed at the height of the vandalism - I couldn't find anything exact, but there were a few news stories giving figures of 700 cameras destroyed in 2007 (which apparently was the worst year for it), out of 5,500 total cameras. That's quite a lot of destroyed cameras, but nothing like the picture you are painting and it hasn't lead to the cameras being removed or a majority being destroyed.