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Dotless Domain Names Prohibited, ICANN Tells Google

New submitter gwstuff writes "Last year, Google filed applications for about 100 top level domains. These included .app, .cloud and .lol, but perhaps most prominently .search, which they had requested to operate as a 'dotless' domain. [Friday], ICANN gave their verdict on the idea that would make this URL valid : NO. Here is the formal announcement, and a related Slashdot story from last year. So that's that. But it may still be granted the rights for the remaining 100. Is prime dot-com real estate going to become a thing of the past?"

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  1. .com is still king by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    doesn't matter what other TLDs are announced. .com is still king for consumers, anything else is a just a toy for the nerdy.

    1. Re:.com is still king by alphatel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      doesn't matter what other TLDs are announced. .com is still king for consumers, anything else is a just a toy for the nerdy.

      Your statement is correct but a bit too understated. I would add the following

      It is very hard to get people to switch. Even the new internet generation that has no particular preference for .com or .other are hard won when trying to get them to change their defaults. If you tell someone to go to a website they either search, or type in the name and add .com (and an immense number of searchers type the .com part of the domain into the search box too).

      Everyone knows you could have another extension but it's not their first choice. .ME and .CO were probably two of the biggest recent TLD launches. You can still pick up a premium in either of these extensions for micro-pennies on the .com dollar, registrations are still less than .1 % of total .com, and the US by far outregisters more domains in all extensions than all other countries combined.

      Lastly, consider that ICANN is definitely the most inept entity in existence. As long as they keep the US Govt happy, they will always continue to run the rest of their org as a stupendous dung heap. This whole game of rolling out new TLDs will take them at least 5 years, and that's not counting all the supreme screwups that are sure to make the process less and less tasteful for those inside and outside the market.

      Given these factors, I would say that .com will be king, for 20 years at least. Yes you can launch "help.apple" or "game.app" and get some traction, but anything less than the uber-premium word is going to have much less draw for an exceptionally long time. If nothing else but due to the way US consumers are trained en masse. You need to start a whole new brainwashing program to rewire people and I don't see anyone coughing up a few billion for that ad campaign anytime soon.

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    2. Re:.com is still king by eggstasy · · Score: 2

      I can't remember the last time I entered a URL manually. What is this, 1994?
      I often type in a single letter and the browser autocompletes it for me.
      If I don't know the exact URL, I type something in anyway and Google will look it up for me, at which point it will be saved in my browser history.

    3. Re:.com is still king by Zemran · · Score: 2

      For example, how many American companies apply for .us domain? The other side of the coin is that you are only talking about the English speaking world. In Poland people want a .pl domain because customers know that the site will be in Polish. This is also true with most other languages. Obviously these are not nerdy but still niche. As for .search stupid now we have the omnibrowser or whatever you call it where I just enter the search string instead of a URL.

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    4. Re:.com is still king by petermgreen · · Score: 4, Informative

      For example, how many American companies apply for .us domain? The other side of the coin is that you are only talking about the English speaking world.

      Heck he is probablly only talking about the USA

      Over here in the uk .co.uk is pretty commonly used. Sometimes .com will take you to the right place too but other tines it will take you to a foreign company of the same name or for multinational companies to the american website of the company in question.

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    5. Re:.com is still king by Lincolnshire+Poacher · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I can't remember the last time I entered a URL manually. What is this, 1994?

      Err, how about the first time you visit your bank's Online Banking subsite?

      You know the way they tell you in the introductory letter to enter the URL manually and as written in the letter? There is a reason for that.

      Just a shame they don't print the signature of their SSL cert in the letter, too.

    6. Re:.com is still king by alphatel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ...Given these factors, I would say that .com will be king, for 20 years at least.

      Trying to make predictions on human behavior on the internet is pointless and for fools. 20 years ago the masses all thought AOL keywords was the only way to search. We've come a LONG way since then, along with a few game-changers along the way (e.g. Twitter, Facebook, smartphones) that change how people act and interact completely with the internet.

      All it would take is another game changer to nullify your statement completely to modify behavior like this. We already don't type FQDNs in favor of being lazy and typing a single word into the search bar that is (now) built into every browser instead of having to actually go to your favorite engine search page and type it in. Yet another example of how behavior has modified itself rather quickly. How long before voice commands take over completely? You really think it's going to be 20 years before I'm just speaking a single word into a smartphone to find something? Oh wait, I forgot, we also do that today.

      You make bright, salient points, which in contrary to your statements, indirectly validate the concept of .com strength.

      When AOL was launched, it was "going to create a whole new internet". They had their own browser, interface, portals, etc.

      Smartphones were going to replace all of that silly typing, Siri was the next generation's voice.

      Facebook and Twitter did away with the need for any other way of communication, your profile was the place to be and eradicated the internet as a whole.

      Every one of these were internet-killers. World changing, revolutionary, mind-numbing behavior modifiers. In the end they are all nothing next to the concept of free internet browsing, with your own browser, your own limitless mind and your exceptionally mindless searching which brings up whatever result has the most cash behind it. And since big companies (all of the examples above used .COM to make their stand), tend to stake the same horse, you will have it this way for a long time.

      I am going to make one possible exception however. Govt spying on all fronts has the world incredibly nervous and with good reason. This could be the game changer behavior that drives people to use extensions that simply aren't traceable to a DNS query in the traditional way, or are simply part of a peer network like .bit or .onion or even something far more interesting if it ever gets created.

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    7. Re:.com is still king by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One of the most lamentable trends in web browsers nowadays, I think, is making it so that there is only one place to enter a query. When I enter a URL, I want it to be a URL; I do not want it to take a round trip to a search engine.

    8. Re: .com is still king by runningduck · · Score: 4, Funny

      My bank is always sending me emails with attached statements and incredible offers. I just click on the links I. The emails.

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    9. Re:.com is still king by isorox · · Score: 2

      Eh, never having a need to enter a URL manually is not really a badge of pride on a technical website. Maybe it is an indication of the type of people reading Slashdot these days, though!

      Slashdot, the site that tells us Ctrl-alt-t is a miraculous newsworthy item

      And editors that think Ctrl-z is undo, not suspend.

    10. Re:.com is still king by Optali · · Score: 3, Funny

      I did exactly this.
        I am very happy with my new customer support from Lagos Nigeria they are very friendly, specially Dr. Mobutu Sese Jr. (son of the latter President Mobotu Sese Seko)
      There seems to be a little problem with my salary but they promised me to transfer 10.000.000USD as soon as the funds get unfrozen at their secret Swiss bank account.

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  2. http://apple by jpatters · · Score: 2

    Back in 1993, if you typed the URL http://apple/ into Mosaic anywhere on the University of Vermont network, you would get a page about apple orchards. Of course, this was just UVM's DNS.

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    1. Re:http://apple by xaxa · · Score: 2

      Some country-code domains have their CCTLD set up as a website.

      Try http://tk./ and http://dk./ for example.

      Complete list of CCTLDs with A records (many more have MX records):

      ac has address 193.223.78.210
      ai has address 209.59.119.34
      cm has address 195.24.205.60
      dk has address 193.163.102.24 (and ipv6 2a01:630:0:40:b1a:b1a:2011:1)
      gg has address 87.117.196.80
      io has address 193.223.78.212
      je has address 87.117.196.80
      kh has address 203.223.32.21
      pn has address 80.68.93.100
      sh has address 193.223.78.211
      tk has address 217.119.57.22
      tm has address 193.223.78.213
      to has address 216.74.32.107
      uz has address 91.212.89.8
      vi has address 193.0.0.198
      ws has address 64.70.19.33

    2. Re:http://apple by erpbridge · · Score: 2

      That's a valid URL, for internal to your own DNS server. If no FQDN is provided pointing it to a domain outside your own, it will try to match up that name to any A records or CNAME records that exist on your DNS.

      Many organizations do this for internal webpages. http://intranet/ , http://learning/ , http://getservice/ are examples of how some companies do this. It's not the same as the Google suggestion, which is making a top level FQDN domain.

    3. Re:http://apple by xaxa · · Score: 2

      tk seems a bit dodgy, but dk reliably redirects:

      $ curl -I http://dk./
      HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
      Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 14:49:11 GMT
      Server: Apache
      Location: https://www.dk-hostmaster.dk/
      Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

      How about http://io./ , that returns 200 (no redirecting) and works fine in Opera, Chromium and Firefox on Linux for me.

      $ curl -I http://io./
      HTTP/1.1 200 OK
      Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 14:50:10 GMT
      Server: Apache/2.4.2 (Unix) OpenSSL/0.9.8n
      Accept-Ranges: bytes
      Content-Type: text/html

  3. Re: no.maybe.yes? by alphatel · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd like to have "dot". Can you imagine the confusion when people try to communicate what the URL is?

    Or could you imagine some madman calling his site "slash" "dot", it would be twice as confusing.

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  4. branding!! by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 2

    competition! consumerism! capitalism! money! profit!

    Humanity: having the ability but lacking the decency to just cooperate since, well, forever.

  5. When I look around me... by vikingpower · · Score: 2

    ...at where the software I currently use the most comes from, the answer is clear: elasticsearch.org lucene.apache.org logstash.net julialang.org kibana.org localstre.am Right ?

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  6. Re:Peh stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The domain name system is a hierarchical system of administrative authority. When you choose a domain name, you're really choosing the authority who will delegate your chosen domain name to you. To a marketer or a librarian, there may be different priorities for choosing a domain name, but the administrative authority is the only hierarchical system inherent to the domain name system. As domain names move up the ladder, from second level domains to top level domains, the hierarchy becomes flatter, but it reduces choice: You can only get a TLD from ICANN, whereas you could have gotten your second level domain from lots of registries and registrars. Reduced choice also means reduced diversity: As ICANN becomes involved in managing the interests of domain users instead of domain registries, it will have to deal with conflicts that would otherwise have been dealt with on the TLD registry level, where multiple solutions could have coexisted and competed, and ICANN will reduce that space to just one option: whatever ICANN decides. That's why it was wrong to give TLDs to anything but registries. More TLDs are good, because they could have created more choice, but nobody should have been allowed to use the new TLDs exclusively for themselves, because it moves the competition to the hierarchy level where choice doesn't exist. Operating a registry should have been the only admissible use of the new TLDs.

  7. Whats the point by rossdee · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most of the new devices connecting to the internet these days don't have a keyboard, who's gonna type in a URL anyway.

  8. How about just using the dot? by LoneTech · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Dotless names are used for local hosts (and frequently other shortcuts, like ssh aliases). Many systems use the dot to decide whether to do a global DNS lookup; if there aren't enough dots in there, the local domain gets appended. It's a lot like pathnames with the slash separator, where slash in front makes it an absolute path. What most people don't realise is that there are absolute DNS names too, which end with a period. If someone were to register the "search" top level domain, the URL would look like "http://search." Including the period. On /. of all places, this ought to be known.

    1. Re:How about just using the dot? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Interesting

      DNS is delicate.

      There was an issue a couple of years ago - I can't remember the details, but it involved printers ceasing to work suddenly without cause in some businesses. Offices where they just ceased to function.

      Turned out that the printers had been running a check for firmware updates on boot - they tried to reach their manufacturer server each time, but only got a NXDOMAIN, as the model was no longer supported an the update server no longer maintained. Until the day one of the major ISPs decided to spoof non-existant domains to instead point to their own advert-laden 'helpful' search page. The printers thus tried to fetch their firmware update from that page and, getting a 400 response, tried to install it - but instead it just failed checksum, causing the printers to lock up in objection.

      I can't recall the details any more, but you can probably look them up with enough googling. Easily fixed once you know the problem, but it shows just how delicate name lookup can be.

      How many businesses have a server somewhere called 'search?' If a 'search' TLD were registered, queries would become ambiguous and traffic ends up going to the wrong place.

  9. What about the existing dotless sites? by dmesg0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    E.g. http://uz
    Will they have to disable it?

    1. Re:What about the existing dotless sites? by Krenair · · Score: 3, Informative
    2. Re:What about the existing dotless sites? by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      This has more to do with the way you set up your network. The default action for a dotless domain should be to append a DNS suffix in relation to the local network. This can either be done by the OS or by an internal DNS server. When I type http://uz/ I get an error because the server uz.myhomenetwork.com is not a valid domain.

      If however I type http://uz./ it directs me to the correct Russian site as the dot unambiguously directs the OS to look up the record without a DNS suffix.

      This has nothing to do with Chrome.

  10. hrm. by berchca · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It strikes me as ironic that the company who has marginalized domain names is trying to hoard a bunch of TLDs.

    (I mean, do you ever type in 'thingiwant.com,' or do you just toss 'thing I want' in the Google bar?)

  11. Google profits from TLD confusion by CODiNE · · Score: 3, Interesting

    After all with hundreds of TLDs added, who can remember where anything is at? Guess I'll have to google it.

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  12. Dotless domain support. by Animats · · Score: 2

    I thought dotless domains were coming, and put full support for dotless domains in SiteTruth.

    There was a long discussion of this on the Mozilla developers mailing list. There are some dotless domains right now. A few country codes will resolve to an IP address, and one or two actually have a web site there. Try ac

    A lot of software, some of it very low level, mishandles dotless domains. If you look up "ac" in DNS, you'll get a valid IP address. Browsers, though, usually try using it as a search keyword, or try it with ".com" suffixed. There was a concern that if every word typed into a browser's input box had to be checked for being a TLD domain name, it would overload the root servers and delay search responses. DNS TLD "no finds" are relatively expensive operations.

    Down at the "getaddrinfo()" level, there's a known bug. There's an exploit for this that drives traffic to subdomains of "com.com", which is set up so that all subdomains of .com.com" are full of ad pages. Right now this is just annoying, but it could be exploited in more ways if single-component domain names became popular. That's really hard to fix, because it's in the C library on most machines. Applications would have to be rebuilt.

    If you put a "." at the end of a domain name, it's "rooted", and local lookups on your local network do not apply. Type "ac." into your browser's input box, and you'll get some domain registrar who bought the Ascension Island TLD.

    ICANN actually did something right.