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China's Secret Scientific Megaprojects

An anonymous reader writes "The Diplomat reports on the 2006 National Medium to Long-term Plan (MLP) for the Development of Science and Technology, China's most ambitious national science and technology plan to date. The MLP consists of sixteen megaprojects — both civilian and military — that serve as 'S&T vanguard programs designed to transform China's science & technology capabilities in areas such as electronics, semiconductors, [and] telecommunications.' Thirteen of the megaprojects are listed in the MLP, while three are classified for national security reasons. The three classified megaprojects are likely the military components of the Shenguang Laser Project (used for thermonuclear weapons), the Beidou 2 Satellite Navigation System, and the Hypersonic Vehicle Technology Project."

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  1. We're safe by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Funny

    They haven't started on the project framework factory project.
    When that one completes, the Eschaton shall surely be immanentized.

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  2. Lost in translation? by kheldan · · Score: 2

    Are they sure they translated everything properly, and China isn't actually going to weaponize My Little Pony?

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    1. Re:Lost in translation? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ensuring a whole generation of males is rendered incompatible with females.

      Male Linuxification Project?

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  3. Re:Shenguang Laser Project by rasmusbr · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article refers to it as Shenguang Laser Project for Inertial Confinement Fusion, which may give a clue about what it's primarily for. It's apparently the Chinese equivalent of USA's National Ignition Facility.

  4. test for free enterprise by duckintheface · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since WW2, the US has had a huge lead in science and tech, in part due to the lack of competition from countries that were severely damaged by the war. China is the second largest economy in the world and is the first "command economy" to actually offer competition in innovation to the US. US companies have long argued that the free market was the best way to produce cutting edge innovation. Aside from the defense arena, that is how most tech has been developed.... without an overarching central plan. Now US tech faces a concerted, planned, and nationally funded challenge from China. If the MLP innitiatives are successful in moving China ahead of the US in the targeted areas of research, it will be the end of the hands-off approach of the US government.

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    1. Re:test for free enterprise by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's never so simple. The US claims to be a free market, but in reality the government extensively subsidizes some industries and penalizes others, and is the single largest purchaser in the country. China claims to be a communist success story, but in reality the government long ago realized that it isn't practical to command an entire economy and turned to the free market to set prices and determine manufacture of most goods - it is the private sector that forms the mighty Chinese manufacturing base, not the government.

      They really aren't as far apart as many want to believe.

    2. Re:test for free enterprise by ebno-10db · · Score: 4, Informative

      China is the second largest economy in the world and is the first "command economy" to actually offer competition in innovation to the US.

      The first? Better check out which country put the first satellite into orbit and the first man into space, and which country had the first ballistic missiles and jet aircraft.

    3. Re:test for free enterprise by Khashishi · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Soviets offered some real competition back in the day.

    4. Re:test for free enterprise by duckintheface · · Score: 5, Interesting

      SuricouRaven, you are correct that China has turned to free enterprise at the micro level to set prices and allocate resources. No argument there. But China still has a command economy at the macro level, setting overall goals and choosing winners and losers in the marketplace. A recent example is that the Chinese government has forced all the rare earth mining companies in the country to join a government consortium which controls access at the source. This is part of a plan to make China pre-eminent in high-tech manufacturing using rare earths. I'm saying that China has a plan. The US has no industrial or innovation plan. So we will see which system works better. If US companies focus on short term profit instead of long term innovation, I think this will be the last time they do that. The US government will step in to secure our future.

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    5. Re:test for free enterprise by TWiTfan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      they were sacrificing everything else in their country to pay for the military

      Sounds familiar.

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  5. Hope one of those megaprojects is to clean the air by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All that great technology and wealth is meaningless if you live in a toxic environment.

  6. And you think it will be China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You so funny. Let's jot down a quick list of things that will likely cripple China within the next 20 years.

    - Slowing economy
    - Massive population
    - The food shortage of the century
    - Fresh water
    - Municipal incompetence
    - Gross amounts of industrial pollution

    And those are just broad points. China's government is so corrupt that it's highly unlikely it will actually serve the people in any measurable manner.

    1. Re:And you think it will be China? by TWiTfan · · Score: 5, Funny

      What makes you think they won't just take everyone else's food, money, and water?

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    2. Re:And you think it will be China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Interesting times ahead for China. Their govt will likely collapse within the next decade.
      Most experts agree that without at least a 10% on year growth civil unrest will become unsustainable. There just won't be enough jobs and resources and money to cover the gross inefficiency and lack of real governing ability their form of government affords. (A corrupt dictatorship that pays favor to a privileged few) Most Chinese are aware of the problems in their country. They say they put up with it for the "Greater good", but we all know what happens when there are no jobs and no food to feed your family. .. China's economy has already slowed to less than 10% growth. Change is inevitable, but what kind of change is uncertain.

  7. Re:I hope China crushes the US and the EU by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is the solution to one group thinking it can "crush" the others having another group "crush" the first, or everybody learning to work with each other, regardless of which plot of land they happened to be born on?

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  8. And the part that should scare most of you.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is what happens if china funds and develops fusion technology in the next two decades, and using it's plethora of foreign owned companies, patents/trade secrets the technology, thus giving them 30 years of control over cheap ubiquitous energy, while the rest of us fight over the ever dwindling scraps of fossil fuel?

    Hell, they might be able to keep it all in-country and just provide energy services from their borders at just cheap enough to bankrupt the competition rates.

    1. Re:And the part that should scare most of you.... by ebno-10db · · Score: 2

      That will never happen because their culture does not reward innovation.

      That explains why they never invented porcelain, the blast furnace, paper, the compass or gunpowder.

  9. The enemy within by Sterculius · · Score: 2

    The Chinese have already succeeded in their main mega-project: Chinese restaurants. While mostly salt, fat, and MSG, Americans gobble it down and feel they are eating healthy because there is a piece of broccoli in there somewhere.

  10. Re:The Civ feeling by ciderbrew · · Score: 2

    After having a read, it looks like here in the UK we are actually doing stuff; but crap at showing off about it. No change there.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_European_Torus

  11. Re:Hope one of those megaprojects is to clean the by rasmusbr · · Score: 2

    China does not really need to invent anything to clean up its air. They need to absorb technology and regulation from the west.

    Scrubbing exhaust from all coal fired plants and enforcing that all cars must have functioning catalytic converters would probably solve a lot of the air quality problems that they have.

  12. Re:Hope one of those megaprojects is to clean the by sconeu · · Score: 2

    Soneone's been reading his Tom Clancy, hasn't he....

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  13. It's a thermonuclear weapon design project by mbkennel · · Score: 2


    The NIF is 95% a weapons project, and likely this is as well.

    The complex parts of high-technology nuclear weapons are not nuclear physics, that part is firmly established. The complexity is in the radiative transfer, fluid mechanics and equations of state in extreme conditions.

    These kinds of fusion projects (NIF) simulate the multi-stage (indirect drive) radiation driven compression of nuclear fuel. The goal is to get clean calibration data for the simulation software used to make weapons without full nuclear testing, which is banned by treaty.

    There isn't much energy generation possibility in these.

  14. Say what you will by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 3, Funny

    But while Western governments twiddle their thumbs in their respective senates or congress figuring out how to recover from a devastating decline in the economy with a mounting ecological deficit and can't do anything without gauging public opinion from the largely idiot masses when it comes to any kind of "super-project", China will most likely solve most of the world's problems in energy and climate change.

    Surprisingly the country with past human right violations may actually save humanity, while countries that promote the idea they protect human rights sit and let the world rot while their ineffective politicians quibble in their grand ballrooms of democracy.

    Of course if China's economy collapses under the weight and pressure of these super-projects, the world is fucked.

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  15. plus aging population by peter303 · · Score: 2

    24% of China's population will be over 60 in 20 years while just 17% of the US. The US has both a higher birth rate and immigration rate than most other developed or semi-developed countries. Each "only child" in China may be supporting two living parents and up to four living grandparents.

  16. The list by CODiNE · · Score: 5, Informative

    The 13 published Megaprojects.

      Core electronic components, high-end general use chips and basic software products
      Large-scale integrated circuit manufacturing equipment and techniques
      New generation broadband wireless mobile communication networks
      Advanced numeric-controlled machinery and basic manufacturing technology
      Large-scale oil and gas exploration
      Large advanced nuclear reactors
      Water pollution control and treatment
      Breeding new varieties of genetically modified organisms
      Pharmaceutical innovation and development
      Control and treatment of AIDS, hepatitis, and other major diseases
      Large aircraft
      High-definition earth observation system
      Manned spaceflight and lunar probe programs

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