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Drone Hunters Lining Up and Paying Out In Colorado

coondoggie writes "What might have started out a whimsical protest against government surveillance tactics has morphed into more as a small town in Colorado has found itself overwhelmed with requests and cash for a unmanned aircraft hunting license that doesn't exist."

206 comments

  1. I still want one by WalksOnDirt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, not a real license. I don't care, I still want one.

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    1. Re:I still want one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sure, transfer 100 bucks to my Paypal and I'll give you your very own not real unmanned aircraft hunting license. Do you prefer it hand-made or do I have to open MSPaint?

    2. Re:I still want one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it should come with a bumper sticker!

    3. Re:I still want one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would LOVE to put that on my business cards, just in small print at the bottom. "Licensed Drone Hunter".

    4. Re:I still want one by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2

      "That's not a drone license. It's a dog license with the word dog crossed out and the word drone written in."
      "The man didn't have the proper form."

    5. Re:I still want one by jamesh · · Score: 1

      Yeah, not a real license. I don't care, I still want one.

      You could store it in your wallet along with your Federal Breast Inspector license :p

    6. Re:I still want one by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Do it. What keeps you from doing so?

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    7. Re:I still want one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "License" means " permission", I don't recognize any authority from whom to ask permission, all we have is criminals and tyrants.
      I guess that just leaves you and your gun. Just don't drown like a turkey in the rain watching for one.
      Do you mount the remains on the wall or what? If you can't eat it or feed it to the dogs, it may be a waste of ammo and time.
      Besides ,shooting down a drone with a gun is like taking a knife to a gunfight. We need geek toys like counter-drone equipped with an EMP weapon. Just have to get close that way. Come to think of it, wouldn't that be balls out funny to go EMP some other things? The IRS at tax time, an NSA server farm, a television station during daytime entertainment, the RIAA and MPAA offices, $cientology headquarters all sound like a hoot to "de-mag". No wonder you need permission to fly a drone, it's fun and they don't want you to have any. Typical U.S. gov't.

    8. Re:I still want one by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      IIRC the same sketch contains a reference to a "loony detector van".

      I'm wondering if this whole idea is a honeypot for catching crackpots.

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    9. Re:I still want one by nhat11 · · Score: 1

      Hey if people want it that badly, charge them $100 and make one since it's been said multiple times its a joke.

  2. Obligatory by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, drones shoot you!

    [Uh, wait ... maybe not just in Soviet Russia ...]

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    1. Re:Obligatory by sjwt · · Score: 1

      LMFTFY

      In American freed Afghanistan, Drones hunt you.

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    2. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In dystopian-future Detroit, drones give you 5 seconds to comply.

    3. Re:Obligatory by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      and then shoot you anyway.

      That guy should have ran at the engineers who were 'desperately' trying to find the problem. If he was holding a couple of them in place, maybe they would have tried harder.

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  3. Hello, congress! by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

    Are you listening? It seems your constituents may not be all that keen on having drones used on civilian populations.

    Oh yeah, it's not an election year. So I guess not.

    1. Re:Hello, congress! by pla · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are you listening?

      What a silly question! Of course they listen! Why, we have a whole intelligence agency with no legitimate purpose other than to listen in on...

      Oh, you didn't mean "illegally spy on", you meant "take your bosses seriously". Sorry, simple mistake.

    2. Re:Hello, congress! by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Oh, you didn't mean "illegally spy on", you meant "take your bosses seriously". Sorry, simple mistake.

      Tomato, potato, Tomato, potato...

  4. Waiting for hunters to mistake others for a drone by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    News at 11 - Bob Fink blew up the house of his best friend John Ackers today in Deer Trail after mistaking him for a CIA drone. John Ackers mistook Bob's missile as a terrorist attack and blew up Deer Trail's only Mosques in retaliation.

  5. Irony by roman_mir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think this may fit the definition of irony, that people, who just may eventually be hunted by drones, are trying to get licenses to hunt the drones, while the drones that hunt them, do not need any license, because the people have already given the government enough power to ensure both: that they eventually can be hunted by drones (and no license required) and that they can't actually get a license to protect themselves.

    On the second thought, this is not irony, it's just oppression.

    1. Re:Irony by LifesABeach · · Score: 4, Funny

      Considering the size of the drone, driving through town with one tied on the hood could be problematic.

    2. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think this may fit the definition of irony, that people, who just may eventually be hunted by drones, are trying to get licenses to hunt the drones, while the drones that hunt them, do not need any license, because the people have already given the government enough power to ensure both: that they eventually can be hunted by drones (and no license required) and that they can't actually get a license to protect themselves.

      On the second thought, this is not irony, it's just oppression.

      Clearly the only way to fix the situation is to disarm the citizenry.

    3. Re:Irony by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      Drones used for surveillance would likely be small sized ones so they could fit nicely in a trunk

    4. Re:Irony by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      This license isn't limited to "drones used for surveillance." It covers "unmanned aerial vehicle", and even some manned ones.

    5. Re:Irony by Main+Gauche · · Score: 4, Funny

      *sigh* you've never field dressed a drone?

    6. Re:Irony by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      *sigh* you've never field dressed a drone?

      Aren't spy drones mainly involved in people undressing?

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    7. Re:Irony by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Considering the size of the drone, driving through town with one tied on the hood could be problematic.

      That's not the biggest problem for whoever shoots one down. It's the free (mandatory) all-expenses paid trip to Guantanomo bay, followed by indefinite detention.

    8. Re:Irony by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      On the second thought, this is not irony, it's just oppression.

      Clearly the only way to fix the situation is to disarm the citizenry.

      [US Gov In MiB "Bug" Voice]: "Your proposal is acceptable."

      Strat

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    9. Re:Irony by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It's funny how people of a country that was founded by people who flipped their sovereign off consider it necessary to get a license to do the same to theirs...

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    10. Re:Irony by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, I'd draw the line at manned ones.

      But if you disguise your drones as birds, don't be surprised when I mistake them for one.

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    11. Re:Irony by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I know there is a high school prom joke about how my partner was kinda dull hidden in here somewhere, but I just can't really pinpoint it.

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    12. Re:Irony by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Why does the old Soviet joke come to mind?

      Pravda has made a competition for the best political joke. First prize: 10 years vacation in Siberia.

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    13. Re:Irony by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, "You shoot drone"? Or "You Take Drone Freedom"?

      Has anyone else noticed a bit of an (internet) September effect going on here at /.?

      Maybe the fact that we knew and complained about this NSA stuff first has brought a bunch of people from the web?

    14. Re:Irony by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      No, whats funny is that you need licenses to hunt and fish for your own food.

      If you can't catch a god damned fish without government approval, what hope is there for getting approval to shoot down a drone?

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    15. Re:Irony by ciotog · · Score: 1

      Seems you need to be educated on an idea called tragedy of the commons.

    16. Re:Irony by Safety+Cap · · Score: 1

      *sigh* you've never field dressed a drone?

      Yeah, duh. The first thing you do is cut its wings off, then clip its fuel line and drain it out before tying it to your hood.

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    17. Re:Irony by dave420 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So if everyone went out and fished as much as they want, and all the fish died out from overfishing, you'd be fine with that. Gotcha.

    18. Re:Irony by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      People fishing for their OWN food would never make this happen. Overfishing/over hunting is due to sport and due to commercial enterprise. If you only kill what you eat there's no possible way for you to decimate a population as you suggest.

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    19. Re:Irony by Kielistic · · Score: 1

      No possible way for you alone to decimate the population perhaps. But you and all your neighbours would have no problem doing it at all.

    20. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This license isn't limited to "drones used for surveillance." It covers "unmanned aerial vehicle", and even some manned ones.

      Considering how the license does not exist, you are technically correct. Which as everyone knows, is the best kind of correct.

    21. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'd be dead, but they'd have died free.

      Also, herp derp limeys, etc.

    22. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The license fee (to the government) would be used to fund the building of replacement drones... Akkk I mean fund education..

    23. Re:Irony by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      actually you could decimate the fish population but if you have a few friends also decimate the fish population it could devastate the fish population.

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    24. Re:Irony by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      People eat or they die. So you would have people starve to death.

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    25. Re:Irony by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      Please show me any documentation that a population of people hunting/fishing for their own food and nothing more has destroyed an animal population. Theoretically it is possible for species that have a long gestation period and low offspring count but evidence that it happens just isn't available. In instances I know of there were several other factors involved, such as disease or introduction of other species (not just humans) that drove animals away or to extinction.

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    26. Re:Irony by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      See my reply to the previous comment. If fishing just for food and nothing more, it would be very very difficult for anything but a massive population to overfish... a population that wouldn't be able to survive on the amount of water available, for example. Could you over fish a small pond? Sure. Maybe even a small lake if you had thousands of people fishing it every day, but there is no evidence anywhere I'm aware that any population of people has ever devastated a fish population just by fishing for their own food. I'll be happy to accept actual research that proves me wrong...

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    27. Re:Irony by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      In the pure interest of tree hugging, wouldn't draining the fuel into a container to put a little in the gas tank sometimes be a useful idea?

    28. Re:Irony by Kielistic · · Score: 1

      it would be very very difficult for anything but a massive population to overfish

      A massive population like most human settlements adjacent to major fish stocks?

    29. Re:Irony by dywolf · · Score: 1

      probably not, avgas is leaded.

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    30. Re:Irony by Kielistic · · Score: 1

      Please show me any documentation that a population of people hunting/fishing for their own food and nothing more has destroyed an animal population

      Humans are blamed for having hunted many species to extinction. Your point falls flat. Sure if a hunter / gatherer society decimates its food source the humans will soon die too. Or, you know, go take some one else's food. Unfortunately our population has grown far beyond hunter gatherer levels and allowing people to hunt at will pretty much ensures decimation of its prey's population.

    31. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See my reply to the previous comment. If fishing just for food and nothing more, it would be very very difficult for anything but a massive population to overfish... a population that wouldn't be able to survive on the amount of water available, for example. Could you over fish a small pond? Sure. Maybe even a small lake if you had thousands of people fishing it every day, but there is no evidence anywhere I'm aware that any population of people has ever devastated a fish population just by fishing for their own food. I'll be happy to accept actual research that proves me wrong...

      You do realize that your original comment implied that the entirety of the US should be hunting and fishing for their own food. Which is a massive population. So...there you go.

    32. Re:Irony by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 2

      Undoing a funny mod, but ah well... this type of idiocy is just too rampant.
      Here are just a few examples of the top of my head:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Island
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_Pigeon
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/30/madagascar-giant-tortoises_n_3525586.html
      Tortoises in general are endangered due to sailors loving them as walking food supplies in the years 1500-1900.
      And, the classical example... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo

      Finally, as someone else pointed out, commercial fishing IS by definition the equivalent of people fishing for their own food - some people just outsourced their fishing to others.

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    33. Re:Irony by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 2

      Better a few people starve to death now than entire population starve to death later, just because some idiots couldn't understand that eating the last animal on the island will mean no more animals ever.

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    34. Re:Irony by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 1

      If it isn't me, it will be someone else. Possibly you. In the end, someone ALWAYS decides. And will make the decision for others, based on power - whether raw, hard or soft. Your fantasy that you can live without impacting or being impacted by anyone is... a fantasy. Well, not unless you want to live and die alone, but humans aren't built for that. Kinda the same problem the communists of old had.

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    35. Re:Irony by rhodium_mir · · Score: 1

      The value of an asset is determined by the free market. If the free market says a life has no value, who are you to say otherwise?

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    36. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you allowed to bait them or set decoys?

    37. Re:Irony by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 1

      You would be funny if you'd be just a shade less obtuse. Instead, your fantasy world is just sad. Somebody will always make the decision. And in your world, you'll have far less say in that decision than in mine, or even in the current one. You're lucky most people around you are smart enough to not let you create the world you have in mind. You wouldn't like once you'd be there. How do I know? You'd have moved out of Canada by now.

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    38. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Silly, I have moved out of Canada 4 years ago and took my business with me.

    39. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you planning to use for decoys? Department store manequines with dish towels wrapped around their heads?

    40. Re: Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Av gas is leaded? I did know that. And lead in gasoline seems today like a big deal. Hee. I think of fir sure chemtrails or smething.

      Some people run causality from banning lead in automobile gasoline to the drop in violent crime. It gets interesting in the following way:

      If you are black you are more likely to live in an unpleasant getto then white bread me. So your little kids even today will have three times the blood lead levels than mine. So lead poisoning has a number of known baf effects.

    41. Re:Irony by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 1

      And moved to an even more socialist country. I know.

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    42. Re:Irony by Reziac · · Score: 1

      This is state law in Montana:

      If I dig a pond, and fill it with water I own rights to, and pay property taxes on that land, then buy fish from a hatchery and stock my own pond with fish I paid for -- I still need a fishing license to fish in my own pond for my own fish.

      How does that have anything to do with overfishing? since I provided 100% of their habitat out of my own pocket, and paid for the fish as well??

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    43. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (depends... can the hunted produce drones too or are just opposing all possible droning?)

    44. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Switzerland is a 'more socialist country'? Interesting.

  6. That totally sucks! by sgt+scrub · · Score: 2

    "Shooting at an unmanned aircraft could result in criminal or civil liability, just as would firing at a manned airplane." I thought manned airplanes flew at high altitude over my house because I WAS allowed to shoot at them. The trailer parks is getting to be a real drag.

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  7. What a sad state is the educational system... by mikeiver1 · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one that did a double uber face palm after reading this? HOW FUCKING STUPID HAS THE GENERAL PUBLIC BECOME? A license to hunt US Government property? What a bunch of mouth breathing window licking morons we have degenerated into if people are actually showing up for one. I would love to see this from their perspective but I can't seem to get my head up my ass. Reality check Mike here, no government entity is going to hand out licenses to hunt and destroy "GOVERNMENT PROPERTY" you morons. Seriously I expected more from people in that part of the nation. Isn't this the kind of shit you read about in the south for fucks sake? So much stupid I have a problem wrapping my head around it. Perhaps I should go and huff paint fumes for an hour or two and come back to it for another go.

    1. Re:What a sad state is the educational system... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it sends out a good message like this http://www.ecuadortimes.net/2012/11/16/dont-vote-blank-nor-null-vote-for-don-burro/

    2. Re:What a sad state is the educational system... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Am I the only one that did a double uber face palm after reading this?

      Probably. I'm sure most of these people just want one for the collector value. Heck, If they were actually issuing documents I'd pay the $25 just to get one and show all my friends and co-workers.

    3. Re:What a sad state is the educational system... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      no government entity is going to hand out licenses to hunt and destroy "GOVERNMENT PROPERTY"

      Yes, because no one has ever obtained a hunting license and then legally hunted on federal or state owned game lands. Oh, wait, they have.

      Obviously I was being facetious. I have a feeling that this is more of a protest for the majority of these people. I'm not sure what part of the nation you are referring to, as it appears that it's not just "that part". From TFA:

      two weeks ago when the tally of personal checks made out to the town hit 983 [Deer Trails' own population is about 560] and $19,006. The checks came from all over the U.S.

      Perhaps you've already huffed paint fumes one too many times to realize that there are citizens who aren't very happy about having drones used on the civilian population. You know, big brother, eye-in-the-sky and all. Maybe, just maybe some people believe this will draw a little more attention to the issue.

    4. Re:What a sad state is the educational system... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      A license to hunt US Government property?

      The license includes but is not limited to government property. Read the actual proposal.

      Unmanned aerial vehicle. Below 1000 feet. Most people can't determine the altitude of a passing aircraft. The local airport gets calls from people all the time about pilots who are allegedly buzzing the city "too low", but radar shows they were quite legal (above 1000'). Some of these aircraft are ones like this, which is hard to tell is manned from a distance.

      Thank goodness the law exempts "toy" vehicles, but includes manned aircraft that are "following" someone. Or looks like it has "weapons".

      But you're right about stupidity. Stupid, thy name is Deer Trail.

    5. Re:What a sad state is the educational system... by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      It's the kind of gag item they sell in truck stops next to the naked women mudflaps. Take a deep breath, dude.

    6. Re:What a sad state is the educational system... by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      You forgot, "get off my lawn".

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    7. Re:What a sad state is the educational system... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hmm... makes you wonder, does it say anywhere in the constitution that a congressman actually has to be a human? Donkeys would be much cheaper, less prone to bribery and not that much more useless.

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    8. Re:What a sad state is the educational system... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'm all for being allowed to down planes flying lower than 1000 feet (with a grace area around airports since, well, they somehow have to get there). Anywhere else, they simply have no business flying lower.

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    9. Re:What a sad state is the educational system... by sjames · · Score: 2

      Yes, I believe you are. Most people recognize this as being about halfway between a funny novelty item and a serious protest.

      I think you've huffed quite enough paint fumes for one day.

    10. Re:What a sad state is the educational system... by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one that did a double uber face palm after reading this? HOW FUCKING STUPID HAS THE GENERAL PUBLIC BECOME?

      Probably, most of the general public is stupid enough to realise it's just a big ol' joke. Take a breath before you flip out, you'll live longer.

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    11. Re:What a sad state is the educational system... by Spiked_Three · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "HOW FUCKING STUPID HAS THE GENERAL PUBLIC BECOME? "

      The head of the science committee in congress, an elected person, does not believe in dinosaurs and climate change.

      WTF does that tell you about America at least?

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    12. Re:What a sad state is the educational system... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      since apperently a cat can be the mayor I don't see why not.

      After all, one ass or another, what's the difference?

    13. Re:What a sad state is the educational system... by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      I had to look him up, I didn't realize the chair of the science committee was a complete wackadoo.

      Doesn't believe in meteors or dinosaurs... Well a dinosaur might not come crashing though your house {aka extinct} but meteorites are common... I actually make time for my kids and I to watch meteor showers when we know they are going to happen.

    14. Re:What a sad state is the educational system... by bored_engineer · · Score: 1

      No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

      Yes, you need to be human, unless you know to make a donkey a citizen.

    15. Re:What a sad state is the educational system... by Spiked_Three · · Score: 1

      Yep, The US with an army 10 times larger than the next 20 combined (or somthing like that) has a majority of FUCKING IDIOTS.

      And the chief idiot party is doing all it can to seize control.

      If the rest of the world isn't already scared, they should be.

      Don't think the government will hand out permits to destroy government property? You haven't lived in one of these Conservative cities where the chief judge dies from a cocaine overdose on a golf course during working (paid) hours (Rogersville, TN). They make idiots look like pHDs there.

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    16. Re:What a sad state is the educational system... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      I'm all for being allowed to down planes flying lower than 1000 feet (with a grace area around airports since, well, they somehow have to get there). Anywhere else, they simply have no business flying lower.

      Wrong again. There are all kinds of reasons to fly lower. And your expectation that you can murder anyone who happens to be below 1000' in an airplane is just pathetic.

      Instead of displaying penis envy by calling for the downing of anyone flying lower than you think they should, maybe you should go get a pilot's license and join the fun. And then face people like you who think you should die because you flew "too low".

    17. Re:What a sad state is the educational system... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The head of the science committee in congress, an elected person, does not believe in dinosaurs and climate change.
      WTF does that tell you about America at least?

      Your masters needed an excuse to cut funding, so they played the usual problem-solution game.
      Money for scientific research is wanted elsewhere? Let's elect an idiot, have him propose silly research and then cut the funding.

      They do it all the time... I mean really _all_ the time.

    18. Re:What a sad state is the educational system... by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      A mere technicality. Pass a law saying certain donkeys are citizens, then bam, there you are.

      The harder part is ensuring their age is above the Constitutional minimums. Not that they can't live that long, just who keeps records of donkey births?

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  8. Hmmm. I may have to go fly an RC plane over there by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    then sue the pants off of whomever decides that they have the fucking rights to shot my RC plane out of the air.

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  9. Sign Me Up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll do scientific development and engineering tests of a 'low carbon foot print' 'energy efficient' 'Politically Neutral' 'Gay Lesbian Transexual Transgender Left-Right Handedness Neutral Cat-Dog Neutral' and language independent slingshot!

    In the Bible David 'Roman Era hacker' killed Goliath 'Roman Era Asshole [personification of the U.S.A. today]' with a simple bolo-type slingshot.

    Hay, paraphrasing Biblical scripture and I'm an Atheist!

    Ha ha.

    1. Re:Sign Me Up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is David "Roman Era"? He lived around 1000 BCE, well before Rome was a power.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David

    2. Re:Sign Me Up! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Cut him some slack, for those US boys anything before 1774 is "in prehistoric times".

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    3. Re:Sign Me Up! by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      If it's in the bible it's safe to assume it never actually happened, and if it did nothing like the way it says.

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  10. Just what we need. by seeker_1us · · Score: 1

    A bunch of guys shooting up in the air in an uncontrolled manner.

    1. Re:Just what we need. by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Duck season.

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    2. Re:Just what we need. by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Duck season.

      Rabbit season.

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    3. Re:Just what we need. by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Duck season.

      Wabbit season.

      FTFY

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    4. Re:Just what we need. by CimmerianX · · Score: 1

      >Yeah. Duck season.
      >
      >Rabbit season.

      BASEBALL Season!!!!

  11. Drones vs. Planes by NouberNou · · Score: 2

    I have never understood the hatred and mistrust placed on drones versus aircraft, fixed or rotary wing. It seems like a bunch of Luddites. Drones are cheaper, safer, and usually more capable at doing the task at hand than fixed wing or rotary wing aircraft at doing a job thats already been done for decades by law enforcement and the military. Also a drone, in the military at least, allows for a more calm and collected engagement of targets, reducing collateral damage and fratricide.

    1. Re:Drones vs. Planes by wisnoskij · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So you are saying that drones are a cheap, easy, and incredibly effective way to oppressive your citizens, and you are wondering why everyone is worried?

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    2. Re:Drones vs. Planes by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So you are saying that drones are a cheap, easy, and incredibly effective way to oppressive your citizens,

      They're also a cheap, safer way to obtain scientific data in remote areas of the country (like Deer Ass, Colorado). Despite the paranoia, not all UAV use is for shooting you while you sleep.

    3. Re:Drones vs. Planes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have much imagination then, do you? Eventually a functional surveillance drone will cost under $100 - multiply by 300 million and everybody gets the "benefit" of having one. $30 Billion is chump change to the US.

    4. Re:Drones vs. Planes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      But nearly all of drone use is spying on someone or something. You painting the DOW logo on the wing wont make me think you are counting deer in Ft Collins.

    5. Re:Drones vs. Planes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Citation Needed]

    6. Re:Drones vs. Planes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their low cost and ease of use makes sure they will be used for THOUSANDS more tasks (many potentially illegal per our constitution) than manned craft ever will be.

      'When all you've got is a hammer. Everything looks like a nail'

    7. Re:Drones vs. Planes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      So you are saying that drones are a cheap, easy, and incredibly effective way to oppressive your citizens, and you are wondering why everyone is worried?

      Men with sticks are cheaper, easier, and more effective. Why are you worried?

      Seriously, you folks have insecurity issues. How you can fear intelligence gathering and drones more than destroyers, jets, tanks, and rifles borders on the insane.

      What the fuck do drones have to do with oppression? You could achieve that any number of ways with old technology, you are just a luddite.

    8. Re:Drones vs. Planes by labnet · · Score: 1

      I have never understood the hatred and mistrust placed on drones versus aircraft,

      I think the issue is that is much easier to push the 'fire' button when it all looks like a videogame, compared to being in a plane/helicopter as a human pushing the button.
      With America heading toward corporate fascism, there will be a big need to 'protect the citizens from the nasty terrorist protestors'. Drones have scalability, and the 20yr old kids will think it's just like a video game.

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    9. Re:Drones vs. Planes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But nearly all of drone use is spying on someone or something. You painting the DOW logo on the wing wont make me think you are counting deer in Ft Collins.

      Are you going to attack someone for taking count of cars traveling down their road because they are "gathering intelligence" or "spying"?

      You should focus on how people ACT, not what they KNOW.

    10. Re:Drones vs. Planes by NouberNou · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I actually personally know a number of drone operators and its not a "just push a button" type scenario. Weapons release requires a significant amount of authorization, ranging from commanders in the field to lawyers in the pentagon. There is up to a dozen people in the chain of command that are all required to say "yes" to engage targets.

      The reason they have the luxury is because it is a drone and not a pilot over enemy territory (this is in operations that occur in "areas" not recognized, where the country letting them do the drone strikes doesn't particularly want it known to their general population). A fighter pilot has a lot more stress, and they are more prone to making bad decisions because of the many more immediate constraints on their judgment.

      Do drones allow these types of attacks to occur more easily? Probably, but on the other hand they'd probably be executed in some form or fashion either way (cruise missile strikes, which are far more prone to failure in target selection, or human operations, aka spec-ops or hired guns/foreign service).

    11. Re:Drones vs. Planes by labnet · · Score: 1

      Thanks for your comments, and no offence intended to your drone friends. That chain of command may be in operation now, but if there is mass civil unrest, requiring 'thousands of drones', this authority could be curtailed to just the drone operator... or even more scary, computer AI.

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    12. Re:Drones vs. Planes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the miltary. What makes you think your local cops won't be trigger happy?

      It's easy to imagine drones replacing police cars for most tasks. Patrolling would be far more effective. Officers not on the streets in harms way and you can shoot the bad guys without any danger. Not to mention less manpower required.

      The local police will want far more surveillance capabilities then your average drone opertor. That means invasive stuff like IR, facial recognition, automated plate reader, etc. It's not much of a stretch to argue it's all perfectly legal since you have no privacy in public. A few court decisions or laws changed and they'll be free to spy on everybody all the time.

      The NSA spying doesn't seem to faze anyone. Why would spying in public be worse?

    13. Re:Drones vs. Planes by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Well, it's not like being expensive is going to stop the a government from oppressing its citizens.Usually thry can get hold of money pretty easily.

    14. Re:Drones vs. Planes by OhANameWhatName · · Score: 1

      drones are a cheap, easy, and incredibly effective way to oppressive your citizens

      No, he's saying that drones are a cheap, easy, incredibly effective and safe way to oppress your citizens.

      Pffft, Luddites .. who needs them.

    15. Re:Drones vs. Planes by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No problem. Get a license to fly that thing over there where you have to state a reason and have the county/city permit it. Make the government do the same. Pass a law that it may not be used to stalk or harass anyone (or why should you be allowed to fly a drone over your ex' house to see who she dates now?). Make records public of who obtained such a license and for what purpose.

      That would already be enough to make sure my paranoia sleeps well tonight.

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    16. Re:Drones vs. Planes by Cederic · · Score: 1

      How you can fear intelligence gathering and drones more than destroyers, jets, tanks, and rifles borders on the insane.

      What the fuck do drones have to do with oppression?

      Clearly you missed the news about the unmanned drones killing people in Pakistan and the US Government's indicated williingness to use them to kill US citizens within the USA with no judicial oversight.

    17. Re:Drones vs. Planes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, Peristoteles, Socrates and Luddites walked to a bar...

    18. Re:Drones vs. Planes by b4upoo · · Score: 1

      There are also hunters who want to use a drone with a gun mounted on it to take game. A suppose that if we allow hunting by helicopter we might as well allow hunting with a drone. The oops factor might be fun to watch. Can a drone identify a safety orange hunting vest?

    19. Re:Drones vs. Planes by Larryish · · Score: 1

      Cheap drones for the masses. The Obama Drone.

      Can I control my Obama Drone from my Obama Phone?

    20. Re:Drones vs. Planes by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      Using "destroyers, jets, tanks, and rifles" against ordinary people in your own nation is completely unacceptable and liable to cause civil war.

      Why are drones any less of an issue when used against the citizens of that same country? Is it less oppressive to imprison citizens who disagree with you?

       

    21. Re:Drones vs. Planes by Spiked_Three · · Score: 1

      You mean google glasses from an iPhone, right?

      why the fuck does putting a corporate logo on something make it better than a government label?

      And you do realize the government intercepts and uses all the face tags on facebook right? It is why the government lets them pay 0 taxes. You've been voluntarily working for them (the government) giving/classifying information for years.

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    22. Re:Drones vs. Planes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, cause governements in general and the US in particular have a such a good track-record for never abusing their powers.
      It's not like there's known cases of law-enforcement targetting politcal opposition. That obviously has never happened, MacCarthyism (to name the most well-known period where it actually happened) is a myth.[/sarcasm]

    23. Re:Drones vs. Planes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      do you really think Joe-Redneck is going to go check public records when he sees a drone flying nearby? Especially with his newly-minted "Drone Hunting Permit" burning a hole in his wallet.

      No....he's going to lead with a couple rounds of 00Buck tehn kick back with a beer and watch the remains burn.

    24. Re:Drones vs. Planes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're not drones, they're UAVs. I fly them for a living, and work wtih the engineers who design them. They are, and never will be, both "cheaper and safer" at the same time. The "cheapness" is due to disregarding the airworthiness, and the only one that's close to airworthy (Global Hawk) costs more than $200M. Let's apply just hte basics of engineering economics. You remote the pilot from the aircraft. Therefore, you need a link between the pilot and the aircraft. That makes the system more complex. It will, then, either be less reliable or more expensive.

    25. Re:Drones vs. Planes by mjr167 · · Score: 1

      For the same reason that it is OK to fire a cruise missile at a target, but not OK to use an unmanned drone to kill the same target...

      Most people are pissy about the idea of the government constantly watching them. They find the idea of any aircraft flying overhead at low altitudes taking pictures of them sun bathing nude in their backyard creepy (though if more people did that I bet the program would stop cause have you been to Wal-Mart?). It's just that no one worries about the government using manned aircraft for the task because it is too expensive. Drones made it cheap so now people feel the need to make sure people know they don't want to be watched in their backyards.

    26. Re:Drones vs. Planes by mjr167 · · Score: 2

      Except the police aren't supposed to "shoot the bad guy." They are supposed to arrest them and have them stand trial...

    27. Re:Drones vs. Planes by mjr167 · · Score: 1

      Safe for the humans operating them, not the aircraft. If it crashes, we are guaranteed that the pilot lives. And 200M is cheaper than a pilot.

    28. Re:Drones vs. Planes by Politburo · · Score: 1

      There's no one in the drone but it's not like it's automated. The unmanned distinction doesn't seem to make a difference.

      The US Government would not rule out the use of drones as a tool to prevent imminent harm. This comment got wildly misinterpreted.

    29. Re:Drones vs. Planes by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Do drones allow these types of attacks to occur more easily? Probably, but on the other hand they'd probably be executed in some form or fashion either way

      That's not the other hand. That's an orthogonal issue. A serious one to be sure, but still a separate one. The problem with drones is not that they enable us to kill people, you can do that with a rock. With sufficient planning, you can do it with a rock remotely. But drones are a "game changer" or if you like, paradigm shift (*runsaway*) because it makes killing both cheap and easy. It ultimately is a "just push a button" scenario. There might be some discussion before the button pushing, but in the end, you just push a button and people die. Rifles already got us pretty close to this, but this is the real thing.

      When you make it cheaper and easier to murder more humans, more humans will be murdered. It's in the budget!

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    30. Re:Drones vs. Planes by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      I call bullshit on this AC post. If you're flying UAVs for a living and don't understand the concept of total system expense, you're speaking outside of your pay grade. You've either just started flying UAVs or you are deliberately ignoring a lot of factors that must be considered when discussing cost. Safety to the pilots and ground crew is an obvious factor that you're either overlooking or don't understand. If it's the second, you shouldn't be flying UAVs (which I suspect you're not).

      I'll give you the complexity argument but that's the only part of it that you've gotten right. Human cost, be it training, re-training (a new pilot after one dies) ground support and many other issues make manned assets significantly more expensive to operate in a war zone or hostile environments (think storm chasing or fire fighting) than UAVs.

         

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    31. Re:Drones vs. Planes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It ultimately is a "just push a button" scenario. .....

      When you make it cheaper and easier to murder more humans, more humans will be murdered. It's in the budget!

      Also, there is zero risk to the operator/pilot/player, so they can be more indiscriminate in deciding which targets they attack. An 11B walking down the street (even in a squad) will always be more vulnerable and more cautious than some joystick jockey in an air-conditioned office.

    32. Re:Drones vs. Planes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except the police aren't supposed to "shoot the bad guy." They are supposed to arrest them and have them stand trial...

      Unless you shoot a few of them and then flee into the Angeles National Forest. Then they can turn your hideout cabin into a pile of charred wood splinters and shredded burnt-to-a-crisp hamburger.

    33. Re:Drones vs. Planes by judoguy · · Score: 1

      If the "bad guy" surrenders. What if the drone won't surrender? Also, we still get to swat mosquitoes don't we?

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    34. Re:Drones vs. Planes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny thing about "supposed to"...

      The executive branch of the federal government isn't supposed to be tapping phones without warrants, going to war without congressional approval, detaining people without due process, tracking cars with GPS devices tucked under the bumper without warrant, sexually harassing people before they board flights, tracking people by their cell phones and lying to congress, providing immunity from civil suit to companys that help you violate your own laws and the populace about it.

    35. Re:Drones vs. Planes by thoromyr · · Score: 1

      And now you know why the guillotine was invented -- the mass execution needed some efficiency improvements. Sure, it hasn't kept up with the times and even more efficient methods have been invented as a result.

      Related to what you said, IMO the problem with using drones for execution is that it makes it easier. By easier I specifically mean:

      1. quicker -- just a few phone calls to get authorization? no need to select, equip and deploy a special ops team?

      2. cheaper -- a drone has a high price tag, but the cost is actually quite cheap compared to the alternatives (which is of course why they are used). Manned aircraft are expensive and training the pilots costs quite a bit as well. Not only can you field more drones than pilots for the same amount of money the cost of losing one is lower.

      3. less risk -- if you deploy a team or pilot that could be captured and interrogated that is quite a bit of risk. A drone can't answer questions as to who was being targeted, or about prior missions or future missions.

      By making it easier it is lowering the threshold for use. So executing someone in a foreign country is more likely to happen (and the evidence bears this out). For some, this isn't a problem -- its just allowing the desired job to be done more often. For others, however, it is definitely seen as a problem. Just one issue is the impact on foreign relations.

      It has long been good advice for traveling Americans to reduce risk by posing as being Canadian it being somewhat plausible due to similarities -- there has been, on the whole, less dislike of Canada and Canadians than the US. I can only see such advice becoming more important along with developing a real cover.

    36. Re:Drones vs. Planes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you are saying that drones are a cheap, easy, and incredibly effective way to oppressive your citizens

      Retarded polack is retarded.

  12. Re:Hmmm. I may have to go fly an RC plane over the by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

    Sorry, the law says the shooter must pay you the cost of the vehicle, that's all.

  13. Re:Hmmm. I may have to go fly an RC plane over the by mdenham · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure an RC plane costs more than the shooter's pants, so he would technically be able to sue the pants off of the shooter and still get some money as well.

  14. Re:Hmmm. I may have to go fly an RC plane over the by khallow · · Score: 1

    You cannot afford to have my pants removed!

  15. It's a muninciple license by ljhiller · · Score: 1

    The license, if it existed, would exempt you from being fined by the city for unlicensed shooting of a drone. The owner of the drones, particularly if the owner of the drones is the state or federal government, will not be so nice. As a joke, it's funny. People taking it seriously, believing it offers some legal protection, are delusional. It's like doing a search-and-seizure on your neighbor with a badge from a Cracker Jack box.

    1. Re:It's a muninciple license by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Crap, I guess I should go put his stuff back before he gets home from work then....

  16. Seriously America? by sidevans · · Score: 2

    Does your solution to everything have to be shoot / bomb it? Surely you guys can be more creative - EMP, Deathray. signal jammer / spoofer, hack the drone maybe I dunno... There's got to be better ways of bringing down machines than technology that's been around since the Song Dynasty in China (960 - 1279).

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    1. Re:Seriously America? by AgentSmith · · Score: 1

      OK. This is so truthfully funny I snarfed my coffee. You win the internet today my friend.

    2. Re:Seriously America? by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

      " There's got to be better ways of bringing down machines than technology that's been around since the Song Dynasty in China (960 - 1279)."

      Of course there is. It's just that shooting them down is both more fun and provides a sense of direct connection with the termination. People don't shoot things because it's the only solution, but the one that provides the most entertainment in the process.

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    3. Re:Seriously America? by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      Surely you guys can be more creative - EMP, Deathray.

      Yes, truly a deathray would be much less violent than a gun.

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    4. Re:Seriously America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the problem is that your other solutions are actually MORE illegal than shooting drones down. At least the ownership of the gun and ammo is still legal. Owning an EMP or jammer device, merely purchasing the device, is illegal under FCC and other laws and you can be arrested even if you never power the thing up. Actually firing a EMP or activating a jammer gives you 2X the legal problems.

      Besides, it takes aim to actually shoot one down. EMPs take out the sport. It'd be like hunting deer with nerve gas. We're not middle eastern "rebels" fer chrissakes! :P

    5. Re:Seriously America? by arctother · · Score: 1

      A gun that shoots a big net is the obvious answer. If you drag the thing to earth then you get to use it for parts. ALTHOUGH -- drone v drone fighting would be kinda cool. Way better than those kites with sharp wires trying to cut each other loose.

  17. Kickstart for the opposition! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Let's start a Kickstarter campaign for the creation of a home-built rocket with visual target acquisition that can take out a drone! No high-explosives, just compressed air and a cloud of bb's for a turbine intake, or a bunch of high-test super-thin filament wire or fishing line to tangle the prop. Something likened to a weighted net they use for riot control.

    Or maybe some kind of broad-spectrum jammer with double-stick tape to overload its ability to communicate? Mineral oil cloud to screw up the optics? Small spikes that trail thin wires to draw lightning? Trained flying monkeys to jump on its back and totally screw with its aerodynamics?

    C'mon guys - out of the box thinking here. Not everyone in Colorado can afford a Phalanx cannon.

    I'm sure a couple of Arduino's, a few das blinken lights and a big old mess of home made rocket propellant will get it done. Screw those rednecks with pimp-pistols and rifles...

    1. Re:Kickstart for the opposition! by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

      Trained flying monkeys to jump on its back and totally screw with its aerodynamics?

      That's your winner right there!

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    2. Re:Kickstart for the opposition! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then release it open source and get hauled off to Gitmo for aiding the terrorists.

  18. Yerp, by mjwx · · Score: 1

    Drone sure is good eatin'

    Why else does all Y'all think I need a drone shootin' license.

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    1. Re:Yerp, by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      This is going to come up some day.

      Person flies personal drone over another's property, intentionally or accidentally.
      Property owner shoots it down.
      Shooter puts drone guts go on ebay - even as spare parts, they would be worth quite a bit.
      Original drone owner claims theft.

    2. Re:Yerp, by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Does the "it's coming right at me" rule work for drones?

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    3. Re:Yerp, by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Does the "it's coming right at me" rule work for drones?

      Nah, they are over populated so you have to use the 'Thinning out their numbers'. Because you can't have them all starving to death now can you?

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    4. Re:Yerp, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Then don't fly it where you shouldn't be flying it...either intentionally or accidentally.

      Would the original owner prefer that the victim of his overflight instead just get documented proof of the invasion of privacy and sue the drone owner for everything they own?
      Then, instead of losing a few hundred dollars worth of drone, they can lose their entire life savings and their house.

    5. Re:Yerp, by Kielistic · · Score: 1

      That's why I commandeered any vehicle using my driveway to turn around. The police disagreed and shut down my chop-shop though. Evidently something does not become my property just from being in contact with my property. Fascists.

    6. Re:Yerp, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Does the "it's coming right at me" rule work for drones?

      Only in Florida.

    7. Re:Yerp, by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Just like all the airlines that went out of business when they got sued for flying over people's houses.

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    8. Re:Yerp, by dywolf · · Score: 1

      this could get legally interesting fast considering you dont own the airspace above your land, beyond a threshold value.

      this explains the current status pretty well.

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    9. Re:Yerp, by dywolf · · Score: 1

      they did get sued. and people still do it (sue) too, though the courts have held that there's basically a threshold value above which its essentially an airborne highway and a public commodity.

      but below that value though, and especially if its close enough to cause problems to the land owner (such as an ultralight flying right above a chicken coup, or scattering a cattle herd), there can be legal repercussions.

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    10. Re:Yerp, by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      And a park in New York. That dumb kid should have had a friend with a rifle spotting for him.

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  19. What Could Possibly Go Wrong? by BBCWatcher · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think anybody likes drones except perhaps the people who build them. However, I'm really upset with the idiots who even think about pointing a weapon up in the sky -- or aiming a laser, for that matter -- in a misguided attempt to fight the spread of drones. There are *people* flying overhead all the time in aircraft both small and large, and there's no way to tell which aircraft is manned and which isn't even if you want to do something stupid. There's a federal death penalty for anyone interfering with an aircraft (or "related facilities") that results in death, so this is serious stuff. I don't like it when people go duck hunting without being careful not to point their weapons anywhere near a family cruising along in their Cessna. If you want to fight the spread of drones then do it in ways that won't get people hurt or killed -- resulting in more drones, probably. Defund them, prevent them from being based in or launched from your community or state, boycott their manufacturers and affiliates, tax them heavily, make their owners/operators/manufacturers personally liable for the worst torts imaginable, and/or whatever. But for the sake of the people up in the skies, please, please don't even think about shooting at them.

    1. Re:What Could Possibly Go Wrong? by cbope · · Score: 2

      Exactly. Has anyone actually thought about what might happen if you are actually able to shoot one from the sky? A drone is a small aircraft. Do you really want that falling in your neighborhood? If people start actually shooting them from the skies, it won't be long before some innocent people on the ground are killed by falling parts or the whole aircraft itself. Shooting them is about the most stupid thing you can do, ever. How about voting the idiots out of office who are supporting them in the first place? That would be a good start.

    2. Re:What Could Possibly Go Wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, I'm really upset with the idiots who even think about pointing a weapon up in the sky ... in a misguided attempt to fight the spread of drones

      FINE then. I'll go get a hunting license AND a single engine pilot license. That way I can shoot DOWN at them. Are you happy now?
       
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    3. Re:What Could Possibly Go Wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You pretend to sound smart, but you can't be more mistaken...
      "Defund them" - I'm not the government, I don't have a say...
      "prevent them from being based in or launched from your community or state" - how to do that without shooting them down? Do you think they will listen when I simply and politely say "please don't"? Do you think voting actually works? And even if it did... Do you think that there aren't any other issues that can divide voters?
      "boycott their manufacturers and affiliates" - I'm not their customer, I can't do that...
      "tax them heavily, make their owners/operators/manufacturers personally liable for the worst torts imaginable" - I'm NOT the government! This is the moment when I'm starting to loose my patience for your unmesurable ignorance...
      "and/or whatever" - yeah, that sounds like a solid plan!

      And -> if you didn't catch it yet from my grammar, I'm not an american bandit. So even if the voting did work (it clearly doesn't, both in my country and in yours), I wouldn't have a say in where and when YOUR #$@#$ AMERICAN KILLER DRONES FLY. And it's a fact that you fly them in foreign airspaces. So... How smart are you, american ter***ist.

    4. Re:What Could Possibly Go Wrong? by sjames · · Score: 1

      It isn't actually all that hard to tell a drone from a manned vehicle using a half decent scope. It would be irresponsible to shoot one down in a neighborhood or urban setting (where discharging a gun is also illegal), but if it's flying over an empty field, human safety isn't a problem.

      I haven't seen any reports ever of an aircraft being shot by hunters. Perhaps it has happened, but I'd think it would make the news.

    5. Re:What Could Possibly Go Wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      obviously we need bigger guns in private hands, that way the pieces tumbling down will be smaller

    6. Re:What Could Possibly Go Wrong? by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      It isn't actually all that hard to tell a drone from a manned vehicle using a half decent scope. It would be irresponsible to

      Wait, stop right there. Just stop. If you are depending upon humans to be responsible, you are clinically insane, full stop.

      I haven't seen any reports ever of an aircraft being shot by hunters. Perhaps it has happened, but I'd think it would make the news.

      I haven't seen any hunters with a license to shoot some kinds of aircraft. It's much harder to confuse a bird with a plane than an unmanned aircraft with a manned one. Meanwhile, hunters have to wear orange so that other hunters don't confuse them with a fucking deer, because some hunters are completely willing to fire at a target which they cannot see clearly.

      ObDisclaimer: I own a hunting license and a high-powered rifle

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    7. Re:What Could Possibly Go Wrong? by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      I don't think anybody likes drones except perhaps the people who build them. However, I'm really upset with the idiots who even think about pointing a weapon up in the sky -- or aiming a laser, for that matter -- in a misguided attempt to fight the spread of drones. There are *people* flying overhead all the time in aircraft both small and large, and there's no way to tell which aircraft is manned and which isn't

      If can tell the species of duck I'm calling at several hundred yards, I'm pretty sure that I can tell a Predator from a Cessna Skyhawk from an A300, you insensitive clod.

      I don't like it when people go duck hunting without being careful not to point their weapons anywhere near a family cruising along in their Cessna.

      OK, now you're just being fucking stupid. Duck hunters shoot down Cessna's? When? I've never hunted Cessna's but I can tell you for sure that a load of #4 steel shot isn't going to bring one down.

    8. Re:What Could Possibly Go Wrong? by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Has anyone actually thought about what might happen if you are actually able to shoot one from the sky?

      Yes, most of us have. Congratulations on being so totally whooshed.

    9. Re:What Could Possibly Go Wrong? by chihowa · · Score: 1

      I don't like it when people go duck hunting without being careful not to point their weapons anywhere near a family cruising along in their Cessna.

      Unless that Cessna is flying extremely close (~50 m) to the ground, anyone hunting duck won't be able to hurt it. Birdshot loses velocity to air resistance very quickly. If they are going to fly that low, they really ought to avoid areas where people are shooting into the air.

      We discussed this the last time this article came up. You're not going to hit a drone with a shotgun and shooting into the air with a solid bullet is stupid and dangerous (and you'll have a ridiculous time hitting an aircraft, anyway). This whole drone hunting license is half joke and half protest.

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    10. Re:What Could Possibly Go Wrong? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Mostly it is that legitimate civilian traffic typically flies above the effective range of a hunting rifle and certainly above the range of a shiotgun.

    11. Re:What Could Possibly Go Wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How about voting the idiots out of office who are supporting them in the first place? That would be a good start.

      And get hit by a falling drone on the way to the polls? No thank you!

    12. Re:What Could Possibly Go Wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if it's smaller than three feet across, it's not manned. Unless it's green:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Gazoo
      or yellow:

      http://darkwingduck.wikia.com/wiki/Comet_Guy

      Most of these anti drone campaigns are specifically looking for things at lower altitude and smaller size than anything manned.

      people complaining that there will somehow be confusion make me suspect about their reasoning.

    13. Re:What Could Possibly Go Wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, stop right there. Just stop. If you are depending upon humans to be responsible, you are clinically insane, full stop.

      So you agree that since drones are allowed to shoot at people, people should be allowed to shoot at drones then. :)

    14. Re:What Could Possibly Go Wrong? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      It isn't actually all that hard to tell a drone from a manned vehicle using a half decent scope.

      If you read the law, you'd notice that it doesn't require the use of assisted vision devices for aircraft below a certain altitude. And that the shooter gets to estimate the altitude. And if you talk to airport people, you'll find that untrained people are notorious for underestimating the altitudes of aircraft overhead.

      I haven't seen any reports ever of an aircraft being shot by hunters. Perhaps it has happened, but I'd think it would make the news.

      Because you've never seen it in the news it has never happened. Check.

      There are areas of Oregon (and probably California) where it is well known that you don't fly within shotgun range of the ground because the planes tend to come back with holes in them.

    15. Re:What Could Possibly Go Wrong? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Mostly it is that legitimate civilian traffic typically flies above the effective range of a hunting rifle and certainly above the range of a shiotgun.

      And legitimate civilian traffic can also fly within the effective range of a rifle. Stop spouting nonsense. Helicopters have essentially no lower limit on altitude; fixed wing depends on the population density but still allows landing. I.e., if I want to land my airplane on that big field I own out back of my house, I very well might be over your property next door at 50'.

    16. Re:What Could Possibly Go Wrong? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Please go look up 'typically' in the dictionary and consider how it might apply to statistics.

    17. Re:What Could Possibly Go Wrong? by sjames · · Score: 1

      You seem unaware that the law is mostly a protest.

      Because you've never seen it in the news it has never happened. Check.

      There were only two sentences in my paragraph, was it really too hard to read BOTH of them? But, in general, it seems like the sort of thing the news would be all over reporting considering the hysteria over laser pointers and such.

      There are areas of Oregon (and probably California) where it is well known that you don't fly within shotgun range of the ground because the planes tend to come back with holes in them.

      Add a tiny little town in Co. to the list and you're golden!

    18. Re:What Could Possibly Go Wrong? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Please go look up the words "can also" and see how they might apply. Consider also how "typically" doesn't justify banning what you consider atypical, or even make what you consider atypical actually so.

    19. Re:What Could Possibly Go Wrong? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      You seem unaware that the law is mostly a protest.

      The law being a "protest" changes nothing about your comment or my reply.

      But, in general, it seems like the sort of thing the news would be all over reporting considering the hysteria over laser pointers and such.

      Yeah, you've never seen it in the news so it hasn't happened, because you know that pilots would rather call a reporter instead of an A&P to fix the plane. You complain because you don't think I read both the silly sentences you wrote, did you bother to read even one sentence of what I wrote?

      Like I told you last time, in some places it is a well known event, whether you've seen it in the papers or not.

  20. The real question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much is a drone worth in scrap and their tech on the black market?

    1. Re:The real question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you get one and find out?

    2. Re:The real question... by sjames · · Score: 2

      I also wonder where one finds a taxidermist that can put a drone on an attractive mounting.

    3. Re:The real question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't bother, just haul it to your nearest Russian embassy. I'm sure they'd pay more than the $100 bounty to get their hands on the latest US drone technology.

    4. Re:The real question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chuck Testa?

    5. Re:The real question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My friends in Iran swear by this Chinese taxidermist guy. Could try and get his number for you...

    6. Re:The real question... by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Probably. The mount would need to have it in a dive angle firing a hellfire missile. This is fairly similar to all other predator mounts where they are shown just about to attack and kill.

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  21. Re:Hmmm. I may have to go fly an RC plane over the by Cederic · · Score: 1

    I assure you, I can. You'd be amazed what violent criminals will do to other people for a small fee.

  22. Nonono!! by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

    The permit system is supposed to control the manner in which they are shooting up in the air. It's all perfectly legal and controlled if we set up a permit system, just like with firearms in general.

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  23. RE by Hutt1235 · · Score: 1

    I am interested, but i know it is not real license! Thanks! Hamlet Petviashvili New Yourk 22 Ave Email - hutt1-petviashvili1@hotmail.com Stick War

  24. Wrong irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's nothing ironic about people in the free market demanding things and offering money for those things. As the government has not (and will not) issue licenses to hunt drones, the market for licenses to hunt drones is a free market.

    What an entrepreneurial private individual should do in this free market situation is to start a private business to sell these licenses. These would fall in the same category as bumper stickers, buttons, t-shirts, etc with funny political messages on them.

    Here's the real irony: that the supposedly government hating, liberty loving capitalists aren't jumping on ideas like above. It's like they WANT the government to take over so they can then point and say "omg government is taking over everything" when they could have prevented it (and made a killing in the process)

    Marx once said the capitalists will sell him the rope to hang them with. That's incorrect. What's actually happening is the capitalists will hand over their customers to the government to become slaves, for free. All these people asking for license to hunt drones could have been a customer to a private business, their money could have been kept in the private sector. But no, the markets just let all the people and money go towards government.

    So no, this is not oppression. This is compliance. This is surrender. The so called capitalists are being accomplices in the expansion of government and erosion of freedom

  25. Re:Hmmm. I may have to go fly an RC plane over the by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Sorry, the law says the shooter must pay you the cost of the vehicle, that's all.

    That's cool. I can put a lot of hours into building a vehicle. How much per billable hour do you think you'd pay for someone to build you a custom drone?

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  26. Issued by The Ministry of Housinge by animpaul · · Score: 1

    That's not a drone license, that's a dog license with the word 'dog' crossed out and 'drone' written in in crayon.

  27. Fundraiser by denbesten · · Score: 1

    From the original article:

    "Even if a tiny percentage of people get online (for a) drone license, that's cool. That's a lot of money to a small town like us,"said Boyd

    The funny thing here is that the FAA in all their "seriousness" has become the PR department, for free. The FAA's own Altitude Rules pretty much would keep aircraft above the area covered by the town's "Rules of Engagement".

  28. and still ignored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the NSA will continue to ignore the hillbillies.

    Of course the DEA will probably take issue with their meth labs.

  29. Drone hunters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sounds like a good idea to me

  30. One dollar, one vote by SkimTony · · Score: 2

    I've seen lots of comments about, "This is stupid, and can't possibly be legal." That said, legality of shooting down drones is irrelevant: this is about people who are willing to pay money to make sure drones aren't harassing Americans. I'd pay $25 for that. It's too bad it's not more money. For about $10bn., you could buy enough votes to actually start to change something.

  31. Drone License? by LeLapinBlanc · · Score: 1

    Person A: I'm telling you, you don't need a drone license! Person B: I do! I've bleeding got one, I tell you! Person A: That's a deer license with the word "deer" crossed out and "drone" written in in crayon.

  32. Guillotine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought guillotine was specifically designed to the goal of making executions faster, with less suffering. Or at least not as long. Compared to earlier methods of execution, it is faster, and with less suffering; a guillotine would result in unconcousness in seconds.

    See Wikipedia, the source of all, often accurate information for more.

  33. What a craft with mechanical problems.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, a craft stalls, and on the way to a controlled glide to the ground, you assert the right to shoot it? Because you assume that there are no circumstances for something flying that low other than something that violates your "space." I'm glad you weren't driving next to me a few years ago when my car stalled on the freeway, and I was lucky enough to honk and coast to the side of the road.

    1. Re:What a craft with mechanical problems.... by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Technically, if the engine isn't pushing them through the air, they aren't flying.

      They are falling ... with style.

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    2. Re:What a craft with mechanical problems.... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Technically, if the engine isn't pushing them through the air, they aren't flying.

      Technically, you are quite wrong. "Powered flight" requires the adjective to differentiate it from unpowered flight because both are still flight.

      And technically, there are a large number of powered aircraft that are never pushed through the air by their engines. Pulled, yes.

      They are falling ... with style.

      I'm sorry, but you're demonstrating the common misconception that an engine failure in a powered aircraft causes the aircraft to fall from the sky. With style, without style, it isn't falling.

      IIRC, the POH for the stock Cessna 172 shows that the power-off glide distance from 8000' AGL is 12 miles. That's about 8:1. Not as good as a glider, but certainly nothing close to "falling".

      Don't feel too bad, many people don't know. I took a guy up over the mountains once and I could tell he was concerned about what would happen if the engine stopped. Lots of trees and pointy rocks below us, what a danger! I pulled the power back to idle, looked around, and pointed to an open field about 8 miles away. "There's where we are going." Once he realized that 1) we weren't plummeting from the sky and 2) we were approaching the place to land faster than we were descending, he lost his fear, and we went on with the flight.

  34. Hunting drones? Or hunting *with* drones? by arctother · · Score: 1

    This is far, far better than what I was afraid this article was going to be about. The first image that popped into my head was "hunters" taking out licenses to use drones to seek out and bag big game. Unfortunately, I bet that will actually be a "sport" somewhere down the line.