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Seagate's Shingled Magnetic Recording Tech Boosts HDD Capacities to 5TB and Up

crookedvulture writes "Seagate has begun shipping hard drives based on a new technology dubbed Shingled Magnetic Recording. SMR, as it's called, preserves the perpendicular bit orientation of current HDDs but changes the way that tracks are organized. Instead of laying out the tracks individually, SMR stacks them on top of each other in a staggered fashion that resembles the shingles on a roof. Although this overlap enables higher bit densities, it comes with a penalty. Rewrites compromise the data on the following track, which must be read and rewritten, which in turn compromises the data on the following track, and so on. SMR distributes the layered tracks in narrow bands to mitigate the performance penalty associated with rewrites. The makeup of those bands will vary based on the drive's intended application. We should see the first examples of SMR next year, when Seagate intends to introduce a 5TB drive with 1.25TB per platter. Traditional hard drives top out at 4TB and 1TB per platter right now."

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  1. 25% improvement in space ... by Covalent · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... for a significant reduction in speed?

    No thanks.

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    1. Re:25% improvement in space ... by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Only write speed, it sounds like. So storing one-write/many-read files might be a good use case; such as videos, photos, music, etc...

    2. Re:25% improvement in space ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Pretty sure these will be marketed towards the write-rarely "backup/media dump" segment. At lower $/GB than a non-shingled 5.4kRPM.

    3. Re:25% improvement in space ... by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You would be able to clone a drive, just not as quickly.

      But from the sound of it, it is probable that well formed sequential writes (such as cloning a whole disk) might run at full speed, there's no need to read and rewrite a track if you can hint that it will be overwritten anyway.

  2. clearly I don't understand something... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    rewriting data compromises data on the next track, which needs to be read/written, which compromises...
    So you need to rewrite the whole damn 5TB disk?

    "higher bit densities come with a penalty"
    That sounds like an understatement.

    1. Re:clearly I don't understand something... by intermodal · · Score: 2

      TFA says they've limited the overlap to prevent the need to rewrite the whole disk. Only the three-track segments, which do not affect the tracks beside the trio.

      That said, I won't be an early adopter on this one. We'll see how it pans out in the real world before I consider deploying this.

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  3. leaked map by arbiter1 · · Score: 2
  4. Blame Microsoft by Russ1642 · · Score: 4, Funny

    People will just blame Windows for the sluggishness.

  5. I wonder if they could make 50tb drives today? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sometimes I wonder if they already have the technology to make 50 or 100 tb drives and they are just trying to keep their profit margins up by incrementally increasing storage at a fixed rate every year.

    1. Re:I wonder if they could make 50tb drives today? by MiniMike · · Score: 2

      They have the technology, but it's limited to write-only drives.

    2. Re:I wonder if they could make 50tb drives today? by King_TJ · · Score: 2

      Seriously, I don't think so.... In fact, from every indication, they're all really struggling to find increasingly creative ways to cram more magnetic data on a given amount of platter space, and reliability is probably suffering.

      I don't have proof, but MANY people I know who are in I.T. and work with large capacity drives every day will tell you it's their observation that SATA drives became less reliable when capacities went over the 1 to 1.5TB mark. The 2TB drives all started using the newer "perpendicular write" technologies, and I suspect the added complexity led to higher failure rates.

      Just as anecdotal evidence I've observed personally? When I built a FreeNAS media server last year, I used brand new 2TB drives in it. In 6 months' time or so, I had 2 of the 7 drives in it fail. I also experienced a drive failure with an external 2TB SATA drive in a Maxtor enclosure. My Mac Pro tower, however, also ran 24 hours/7 days because I had a small ftp server on it, among other things ... and it had a mix of 1TB and 1.5TB drives in it (all purchased at least 2-3 years ago). To this day, all of those drives are still running fine. My wife's "Time Machine" external backup drive on her iMac died late last year too, just outside the 1 year warranty period on it. What was in it? A Seagate 2TB drive.

  6. Not going back by Dunbal · · Score: 2

    I switched to SSD technology and I'm never going back. Yeah ok there are no 5TB drives yet. And 1TB is still insane. But 512GB is almost affordable, 256GB certainly is. If I need more storage, I'll just keep buying more. And eventually the price on the large drives will also come down. Sorry Seagate, the game is already over except for very specialized, very niche storage roles.

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    1. Re:Not going back by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah. Buy storage in 256G chunks.

      That makes as much sense as someone getting giddy over how large of an array they can make out of 10 year old hard drives. It will be unnecessarily complex and resemble some sort of Rube Goldberg machine.

      Large drives are hardly a "niche" use case.

      On the other hand, there is a very wide gap between what expensive SSD can reasonably deliver and what much cheaper spinning rust can manage. Spinning rust can manage a wide range of use cases.

      It's SSD that represents the niche: small data for very casual users that don't do much of anything.

       

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    2. Re:Not going back by LordLimecat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      512GB hits the use case for probably 95% of consumers (based anecdotally on backup sizes and harddrive capacities for ~3-400 friends, customers, family, etc).

  7. Yes, all twelve agreed to go out of business by raymorris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yep, they've had it since 2004, when all twelve of the drive manufacturers agreed to just sit on it while Western Digital kicked their butt in the marketplace. Nine of them went out of business rather than reveal their secret.

    1. Re:Yes, all twelve agreed to go out of business by Conception · · Score: 2

      http://www.wdc.com/en/products/catalog/

      You must have checked last several months ago.

  8. Does it (still) make sense ? by boorack · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Except for some corner cases ? Given that Samsung also learned how to stack their NAND flash and CrossBar technology is almost there ? Traditional disks are almost dead at this point. Relatively high price of SSDs is the only thing that keeps them alive and price is going down fast. 4TB 3.5" SSD drives are already available and 2GB 2.5" drives are certainly possible (if SSD controllers are capable of handling such capacities). Any significant breakthrough in sold state storage technology (vNAND, CrossBar, anyone ?) makes SSD advantages only bigger and there seems to be a lot of room for improvement in this pretty much like in HDD technologies 15 years ago. My bet is that SSDs will take over traditional HDDs in all aspects (including price) in less than 5 yars.

    1. Re:Does it (still) make sense ? by slaker · · Score: 2

      Spinning disks are only dead if you have no bulk storage needs, unless you think prices are going to fall through the floor out of the kindness of NAND Flash manufacturers' hearts.

      There's a single chassis in my closet that has 96TB of disks in it. That kind of density is utterly unthinkable on flash memory.

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    2. Re:Does it (still) make sense ? by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

      Traditional disks are STILL about 10x the capacity and 1/10th the price-per-capacity of SSDs, as they have been since they arrived. Price-per-GB for SSDs has come down, but so has price-per-GB of mechanical drives-- currently you can get a 3TB drive for ~$100, while a 256GB SSD costs around $200-- thats 8x the cost for the SSD.

    3. Re:Does it (still) make sense ? by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

      Tape didnt die at all, its right where we left it (in the server room).

      Call me when HDDs come anywhere close to the price / capacity of an LTO5 cartridge (~$30 /~3TB), or their archival life, or their durability; or have anything resembling a modern tape library in terms of media management.

      I dont think tape is going anywhere in terms of archival storage, any time in the near future.

  9. Poor compromise for only small capacity increase by JoeyRox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The read-modify-write penalty for overwriting existing data in-place is huge (even with attempts to minimize it with smart block mapping) and not worth the very minor increase in areal density. It's a bad sign that the storage industry was forced to adopt this because it means better encoding technologies are further off in the future than originally anticipated. Brick wall.

  10. Re:maintenance by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

    http://askubuntu.com/questions/9306/do-i-need-to-defrag-ext-file-systems
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3#Disadvantages

    There is no online ext3 defragmentation tool that works on the filesystem level.... While ext3 is more resistant to file fragmentation than the FAT filesystem, ext3 can get fragmented over time or for specific usage patterns, like slowly-writing large files.[23][24] Consequently, ext4, the successor to ext3, is planned to eventually include an online filesystem defragmentation

    All filesystems running on magnetic media require defragmentation. Those that "do not" are defragging. Fragmentation is a fact of life with any filesystem. And before you start up with the "well ext requires less", so does NTFS: comparisons between ext and "the Windows world" are invariably referring to FAT, not NTFS, which is by all accounts a strong competitor to the ext family.

    So a better remark might be "ext3 doesnt support online defrag? How unfortunate."

    You have no idea what you are talking about. Your attempt to cite information you clearly don't understand doesn't alter this.

    How appropriate for your post.

  11. Re:All for the low low price of... by slaker · · Score: 2

    I buy several hundred drives a year and I've consistently had more problems with all non-Enterprise Western Digital product lines than with I had with Seagate, Hitachi or Samsung models. By rough order of preference, I found WD "Blue" drives least reliable, followed by WD Green, followed by Seagate Eco models, followed by WD Black. The most trouble free drives over the last five years or so? Samsung's F-series and Hitachi DeskStars. Goddammitsomuch.

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  12. 5 1/4 HD's by 7bit · · Score: 2

    This is all well and good, but couldn't just one manufacturer afford to set aside one measly manufacturing line for making 5 1/4 inch Hard Drives again?

    Here me out. Now that they are up to 1TB per platter with current tech on 3.5 inch drives just imagine what they could fit into a 5 1/4 inch drive now!!

    I know I wouldn't be the only one willing to shell out bux for one of those, providing they used all that space intelligently: With Data Spaces that large it would pretty much be a requirement to include built in internal Mirroring RAID of some sort between the platters, or at least provide the option, for data integrity and protection and longevity of the unit.

    I've been salivating over that dream for years now.

    1. Re:5 1/4 HD's by lgw · · Score: 3, Informative

      There was once a "bigfoot" brand of HDDs that did just that. It was a disaster. It's unlikely anyone will try that again. You can just put 2 3.5" drive in about the same volume in your case, so why not do that?

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    2. Re:5 1/4 HD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      As I understand it, one of the big reasons for moving away from 5.25" toward 3.5" and smaller is because of the need for faster and faster seek and read/write times. They had already made the bus path from head to CPU pretty fast, after that, the low hanging fruit for further gains was to simply make the disk(s) spin faster. After all, you can't possibly send bits on the wire faster than they spin past the read head. Problem is, spinning the larger 5.25" platters faster a) sucks back a lot more power than their smaller brethren. b) more power means more heat==shorter MTBF c) increased vibration increases read/write errors. (a problem exacerbated by ever-smaller magnetic domains)

      Another reason of course is that the smaller package just makes so much sense at the end user level as well. Smaller portable consumer devices, more drives per rack etc

      Finally; selling 5.25" drives in a world of 3.5" and smaller has been tried. "Quantum Bigfoot"

    3. Re:5 1/4 HD's by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

      One of the Compaq mid-tower lines used those drives. Quantum Bigfoot. I worked at Computer City at the time, and every time one of those towers came in for service, it was for a bad drive. It got to the point where we would see a customer carrying one up to the counter and we would tell him/her what the problem was before they even set it down.

      The really sad part was that for the first few months, we had to replace the defective drive with the same type because that's what the warranty dictated. After those customer came back in with a second loss of data, we convinced the manager to inform Compaq we would be switching to a different drive as replacement. Nothing gets results like a screaming repeat customer to the service counter.

      I always wondered if the problem was that the size of the platters just made them too unstable, or if the manufacturing process had flaws.

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    4. Re:5 1/4 HD's by Khyber · · Score: 2

      That's why we say fuck magnetic media and cram SSD tech into that 5.25 form factor.

      And make it a hot-swap bay.

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    5. Re:5 1/4 HD's by 7bit · · Score: 2

      Here me out.

      Wear you out?

      Well, that depends. Send me a pic. ;) (Yes, I know I misspelled "Hear". :P)

  13. Both size and manufacturing by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 3

    They made perfectly good 5.25" Hard Drives for quite a few years before they went with the 3.5" and now the 2.5" format. The size of the platters isn't really the problem at the lower data densities that drives had back then. When you move to higher densities and "smaller bits" on the media, the bigger platters tend to vary in exact placement a bit more, both due to the distance they could have from the spindle and the basic fact that almost all solid materials expand as they get warmer. This means that you can't get spindle speeds as high with big drives, or you have to invest in a lot of technology and materials to keep the whole thing stable. That would make the drives too expensive, resulting in a price/performance trade-off that put the bigfoots at the wrong side of the curve. Also, because you can't counter all of the effects completely, data density would still be lower on the bigger platters than on the small ones. You could by some really crappy hard drives in the era of the bigfoots, but their capacity got superseded by reliable 3.5" drives in less than 12 months at the same price point, so Quantum figured it was no use investing in the product line pretty fast after they introduced them.

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  14. Re:Heat-assisted magnetic recording by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

    So I guess HAMR is still in the labs.

    Stop - HAMR time. Isn't this basically what was used in Minidisc?

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