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Facebook Deletes Social Fixer Community Page Without Explanation

New submitter ComradeF writes "Matt Kruse, author of the Social Fixer for Facebook browser extension, warns users of the dangers of building a community on a platform that can and will shut you down on a whim: 'It's gone. Years of work and almost 340,000 fans, wiped out. Erased. I have never been given any details about what "community standards" I was apparently violating (because I wasn't). This is a case of Facebook choosing to shut down someone's business just because they want to, not because they were doing anything wrong. This is extremely frustrating and disappointing to me, and should be to others as well.' The administrators and moderators of his Page found that their personal Facebook accounts have been silenced for 12 hours, as well." I've recently installed Social Fixer, and find it tremendously useful; this news just inspired me to donate a few bucks to Kruse — cheaper than what Mark Zuckerberg would like to hear my complaint.

192 comments

  1. It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by teknopurge · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a company providing APIs and encouraging development on your platform is great as long as you maintain control. The problem with APIs is apps can, provided the APIs provide enough of the right data, totally remove your influence in favor of the developer using your APIs. I first saw this Social Fixer app a few weeks back and I immediately thought "finally, someone that will remind us who owns facebook: the users." Facebook will have no revenue if they cannot monetize the marketing of their site, and with free APIs they can't do that. Paid APIs? Devs want free access, so you'll kill your dev community if you start charging.

    1. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nope. This story is about this guy crying because FB is finally being fair. They've shut down several other extensions which alter how FB pages are rendered, and that's what his extension does. He even posts a link to an Ars Technica article about him and his extension, which clearly explains what happened to other people who tried making extensions that alter the page rendering. Here's what FB's legal team said to one of those other authors:

      "Facebook's Statement of Rights and Responsibilities prohibits integrations that impair the proper working or appearance of Facebook, including those that interfere with page rendering Your extension was reported as interfering with and/or impairing site functionality and page rendering and links to your site have been blocked.”

      Here's the full Ars Article: http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/08/meet-matt-kruse-the-man-making-facebook-better/

    2. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The users don't own Facebook. The users are the product that Facebook sells to advertisers.

    3. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by gsslay · · Score: 2

      "finally, someone that will remind us who owns facebook: the users."

      Someone please mod parent as "funny", for this hilarious statement alone.

    4. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by Entropius · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This really tells it in a nutshell.

      This extension doesn't "interfere with or impair" the USER at all -- in fact, it does what the user wants.

      Now we know for whose benefit that nonsense is written (like we didn't before, but meh...)

    5. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

      Considering how obscured and anti-intuitive Facebook is, it's difficult to understand how they can complain about changes impairing its "proper working or appearance".

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    6. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's the same lame-ass argument those serving ads whine over -- you shouldn't have control over how to present the page or block parts of it which is total bullocks.

      When I look at content -- I want it tailored for me -- so I can quickly separate the noise from the signal.

      If some company wants to cry that somebody is making their content MORE valuable by providing OPTIONS for how people view then they are being extremely short-sighted and not understanding the value the community brings.

      Blizzard learnt this by _allowing_ custom UI mods in World of Warcraft. Years later the best mods have become built into the game. /sarcasm Oh noes! "Someone is altering our page rendering" Quick, sue the browser makers!!

    7. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by schnell · · Score: 3, Insightful

      making their content MORE valuable

      If your website makes money by selling ads, anything that removes those ads has not made your content more valuable. It has in fact made that content worth nothing to the provider.

      Maybe it seems more valuable to you ... but as has been said time and time before, with any free service, you are not the customer. You are the product.

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    8. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by FreonTrip · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The answer's simple: Facebook wants their interface to be gobbledygook because that means you're spending more time on the site, and having to mentally filter relevant content from the ads they want you to see. By the logic of someone creating an attractive nuisance, interfering with this kind of product makes a perverse sense because it's making the product better for users but worse for Facebook's actual customers - advertisers and marketers.

    9. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why does he need a Facebook page for his Facebook extension, anyway? Yo Dawg.

    10. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am browsing FB with the Social Fixer extension right now and Ads are still there.
      I did not find an option to not show them, though I may have missed it.

    11. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      Yes, someone just did remind people owns Facebook. It's not the users, it never was. Why would it be? The users didn't create it, don't pay for it, don't run the servers, don't hold the domain etc...

      If you want to own your own content then go out and buy whateveryoulike.name. If you post your crap on somebody else's site and don't like what that site does with it then STFU.

    12. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the users leave, I'd definitely say facebook is pwned by them.

    13. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by AdamThor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As in so many cases dealing with a free or subsidized service, remember that users != customers, and it will become clear why user complaints aren't really important to the company.

      This lesson can be generalized.

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    14. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by Krojack · · Score: 2

      While I hate ads myself and remove them in my own method from FB, if everyone used these types of mods then FB would have no way of making money off advertisments. That's what they are trying to prevent. I myself use Stylish and just make my own small CSS changes. Below is what I put together. All it does is hide a few page elements such as ads.

      ul.fbChatOrderedList > li:not(.active):not(.mobile), ._uiStreamStoryAttachmentOnly, .fbTimelineSideAds,
      #pagelet_ego_pane_w,
      #pagelet_ego_pane
      {
          display: none !important;
      }

    15. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by Entropius · · Score: 2

      I would much rather pay Facebook a monthly fee for accounts than have ads. That way the customers would be the users, and the service would be responsive to us, rather than the advertisers...

    16. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > anything that removes those ads has not made your content more valuable. It has in fact made that content worth nothing to the provider.

      That is an incomplete picture. What value do you put on your community? There are many sites I use because of the _people_ who freely share their knowledge, tips, comradery.

      Aside from a few niche markets relying on ads to support your site is short-sighted business sense, as in, half-baked. If a company thinks their "ad business" is what brings me to their site in the first place they are delusional.

    17. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's beside the point. You are not Facebook's customer. Facebook's customer is someone placing the ad.

    18. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by mattack2 · · Score: 2

      I suspect there are very few people who would pay for FB without ads. (I'd pay for TV shows without ads, but not at the kinds of prices various video services charge per individual episode. So instead I use a Tivo to avoid ads. I'd prefer no ads, no bugs, no shrunk credits instead.)

    19. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      There's a checkbox in the settings to removed the "sponsored" shit they recently started squirting onto walls.

      The ad-dump on the right can be removed by clicking the newly added "X"

    20. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it seems more valuable to you ... but as has been said time and time before, with any free service, you are not the customer. You are the product.

      Debian is a free service. If it becomes technically possible to make lunches for free, why are free lunches impossible?

      just sayin'

    21. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fairness, Blizzard doesn't depend on the presentation of the UI to generate revenue. They're happy to let you do whatever you like as long as you keep paying your monthly fees - and don't detract from the other users' experience, of course.

      Facebook on the other hand offers you a free service and makes up for it by showing you ads. That requires full control of the UI.

      I hate Facebook as much as the next guy, but honestly I think they're in the right here.
      It'd be nice if they could offer the option to pay a monthly fee to remove ads and add customisation, but until they do you can't really fault them for wanting to show you ads.

      (How they show ads, and leverage their position as holders of your personal information is another story, which is why I hate Facebook)

    22. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I look at content -- I want it tailored for me -- so I can quickly separate the noise from the signal.

      The point of view from facebook is just opposite:
      What you describe as content is just filler for them, designed to lure you to their actual content. (their paying customers ads)

    23. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by bbsalem · · Score: 1

      Yes, FB can set the rules, and lock out alternatives to its UI, but ultimately at its own risk. There is enough discontent with FB's design decisions that its over controlling its property carries risks. For one, it is not impossible to thwart their design. Even their own SDK allows third parties to build stand alone apps to post to a page. So if their javascript is malicious WRT spamming, what is to stop the local client from hacking what it gets from FB? First, it is already possible to run jQuery with FB SDK, FB has a page that shows you how. So in an app, you would do something quite simple and hide the right panel. The difficulty might be cookies FB demands from clients, but processing cookies can expose their servers to performance hits, so the cat and mouse game could eventually cost them big time.

      Despite the investment, the stock price is as high as it has ever been, that may reveal the gullibility of investors, who are the weakest link in a capitalist system, it might dawn on some of them eventually that FB's Big Data model isn't worth the cost and the downside in terms of degraded user experience and that the inflexibility it creates is unnecessary. The result could be that the CMS and UI could be unbundled and the social medium run much cheaper and with fer less revenue pressure. Facebook could serve its central function as the global friends' list and spin off regional CMS and thrid party UI alternatives.

      I understand the urge to protect an investment with an iron fist, but I also note the success of Creative Destruction caused when investors realize that they can get more bang at less up-front cost and the same results for much less, and fix some of the deficiencies for customers and users in the process. Yes, FB had to satisfy its investors, but it doesn't have to abuse its users and it doesn't have to be guarenteed the survival of its business model. I wish that investors would de-fund FB, so someone can write a better solution.

    24. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by bbsalem · · Score: 1

      Sounds plausable, but it is hardly the end of the story, for regardless of nice pat business models and ruthless manageement decision making, what makes business sense in a narrow self-interested way is not the last word. If someone can find a way to seal from or do it better they will, and if investors realize that what FB has done is unnecessarily expensive they will pull their money out. Right now it costs advertisers so much to get seen on Face Book, There is nothing to stop that from changing and beyond the expectations of FB or its investors and customers. Shams that abuse the users for seeming psychological and business reasons, exploiting users, ultimately create bad will, which is what has been happening for some time. It wouldn't take much of a change to destroy the status quo, which is to say that if someone advised me to invest in FB, I'd laugh at them and then chide them for not seeing anything better in the economy than that to risk my money on.

    25. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by bbsalem · · Score: 1

      As in so many cases dealing with a free or subsidized service, remember that users != customers, and it will become clear why user complaints aren't really important to the company.

      This lesson can be generalized.

      Oh, that is far too pat, and I wonder at people who say pat things at all. Surely to analyze exceptions to the rule teach us more about reality than just reinforcing belief in the rule. So is discounting the exceptions just a counterphobic response to reality?

      So, the exceptions to this generality are that people use services free or not for doing things, and even though the reason a service is free or not is not related directly to their use of it doesn't mean that they can't be as passionate about what they use it for if they paid. An example, and why Face Book contributes to mass mental illness, is that ordinary non-technical people used to the telephone or e-mail forget that Face Book is not a direct private interpersonal conversation. They forget that it is public and asynchronous and that non-human agents inject content into their experience. This confuses lots of people and it has caused interpersonal disasters. Just wait until come jury finds Face Book at fault for causing some liability or contributing to crime. This is bound to happen and because of some neglect that reasonable people know how to deal with. It is hard for a bunch of techies on this blog to comprehend the basic misunderstanding the idea of Face Book and the UI design leads to. It might be intentional, catch people off guard in emotional turmoil with targeted ads. It is even hard to distinguish between chat, which is live, and coments which are not. Zuckerberg says he is trying to keep the interface simple, but he may be exposing his company to liability by confusing contexts. I am rooting against him, BTW. I'd love to see FB get mailed on a number of scores, for being deceptive about privacy and preferences, and for not supporting contextual replies, among others.

    26. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by bbsalem · · Score: 1

      ....nailed on a number of scores.

    27. Re:It's pretty simple actually - Do Some Evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The users don't own Facebook. The users are the product that Facebook sells to advertisers.

      Are you saying that TVs are not products - the people who sit in front of TVs are the product?

  2. Of course Facebook killed it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It lets mere users control what they see on their own Facebook pages, rather than Facebook and advertisers determining it.

    What was he thinking?

    1. Re:Of course Facebook killed it! by i+kan+reed · · Score: 5, Funny

      To be completely fair, it was highly irresponsible to not do everything you're told to by a corporation. They want what's best for everyone.

    2. Re:Of course Facebook killed it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Everyone" meaning "the corp's stockholders", which in practice means "the corp's major stockholders", which often means "the corp's top executives and founder(s)['(s) heir(s)]."

      It's all about $$$$

    3. Re:Of course Facebook killed it! by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      It lets mere users control what they see on their own Facebook pages, rather than Facebook and advertisers determining it.

      What was he thinking?

      ..if it's just client side, what did they do to block it? sounds like there's something more to it.

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    4. Re:Of course Facebook killed it! by i+kan+reed · · Score: 2

      Facebook faces negative publicity for a choice they make == me intentionally destroying them and robbing them.

    5. Re:Of course Facebook killed it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Everyone" meaning "the corp's stockholders", which in practice means "the corp's major stockholders", which often means "the corp's top executives and founder(s)['(s) heir(s)]." It's all about $$$$

      Yeah... to be fair, most of us understood that this was the whole (cynical) point underlying the sarcastic humour in the original post.

    6. Re:Of course Facebook killed it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They closed his FB page.. And they can pull the plug on his API key, if he's using that to access the graph API directly. If it's just screen scraping/applying CSS and shit, there's nothing facebook can do, any more than they can "pull the plug" on people blocking image downloads on slow browsers.

    7. Re:Of course Facebook killed it! by Qzukk · · Score: 2

      Sorry, your complaining about the 200 grit lube is destroying stockholder value.

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    8. Re:Of course Facebook killed it! by realityimpaired · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is just client side, and it does still work.

      They blocked the Facebook fan page for it.

    9. Re:Of course Facebook killed it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It lets mere users control what they see on their own Facebook pages, rather than Facebook and advertisers determining it.

      What was he thinking?

      You say that in jest, but you leave out the element that actually DOES make him sound like a moron: He also willingly let Facebook control its very existence, despite everything it did to Facebook's advertisers (and thus, their bottom line).

      If you lock yourself into the tiger enclosure at the zoo, steal their food, and constantly poke them with sticks, you don't blame the tigers when they maul your sorry ass. In the same sense, if you lock yourself into Facebook's ecosystem, use that system to encourage people NOT to use the service in the most lucrative way possible for Facebook, and poke them with sticks, you don't blame Facebook when they shut you down.

    10. Re:Of course Facebook killed it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Everyone" meaning "the corp's stockholders", which in practice means "the corp's major stockholders", which often means "the corp's top executives and founder(s)['(s) heir(s)]."

      It's all about $$$$

      Yeah... to be fair, most of us understood that this was the whole (cynical) point underlying the sarcastic humour in the original post.

      I had my humor gland removed, you insensitive clod!

    11. Re:Of course Facebook killed it! by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

      Any more or less irresponsible than basing your business on another business' product and crying about it when the parent business pulls the plug on your endeavor? I swear I've never seen so many people cry about leaching off the works of others then screaming bloody murder when the host decides to cut them off....

      Sort of like how Facebook got its start leaching off of the servers hosted by universities around the world?

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    12. Re:Of course Facebook killed it! by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      He also willingly let Facebook control its very existence, despite everything it did to Facebook's advertisers (and thus, their bottom line).

      No he didn't. The is hosted elsewhere, this was just the fan page. I didn't even know this thing existed until this story (Streisand Effect, anyone).

      It's a pretty good, but I have to admit, I'm not sure what the catastrophe is. The fan page that was shut down isn't where it's being distributed from.

  3. Because it's easier by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To throw a few lawyers and systems administrators and delete the problem than it is to hire a few good interaction designers to fix it and deny the folks in marketing their 10 pieces of mandatory Facebook flair.

    1. Re:Because it's easier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "a few good interaction designers" can't fix FB's "suck on our ads!" mentality.

      I wonder when they'll start with ads overlaying your FB friends' posts that you have to close in order to see the content. It will be like a suckass version of some game. The overlay will move to another post (higher or lower in your feed based on what direction you've been scrolling).

  4. Owned! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's EXACTLY what you get when you don't own the server on which your "site" is based. Regardless of the user agreement, TOS, or whatever, this will happen on any such site. You were immensely naive to have not realised this to begin.
     
    captcha: unkindly
     
    Sorry, but some times, the truth hurts. :(

    1. Re:Owned! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean "the Cloud" isn't here to shower money and praise unto us?

    2. Re:Owned! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, this is what happens when you use Facebook. FUCK FACEBOOK, you're a moron if you're still using it, a moron for more reasons than I can easily ennumerate in a single /. comment!

    3. Re:Owned! by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Well, not quite. But it's what you should expect if you depend on proprietary APIs and *can't* host your own site.

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  5. Horrible social media site does horrible things. by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    News at 11.
    (On a more serious note, the same thing happened to the extension FB Purity.

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  6. Only just learned this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anyone that has no control over what their business requires is going to fail sooner or later. If it was a genuine business, Kruse should have a contract in place with Facebook, like every other entity that needs Facebook's APIs and data for their own business.

  7. Good. by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Stop giving up your life to big business, and they'll stop being able to tear you a new one.

    This isn't like that other article, where the British government is selling off a natural monopoly so you're forced to use a particular business. This is you thinking that you are entitled to get Zuckerberg to do anything more than widen the smile on his deservedly smug face.

    1. Re:Good. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Stop giving up your life to big business, and they'll stop being able to tear you a new one.

      This isn't like that other article, where the British government is selling off a natural monopoly so you're forced to use a particular business. This is you thinking that you are entitled to get Zuckerberg to do anything more than widen the smile on his deservedly smug face.

      Or, at least, chose a big business that doesn't have so much market power. There are plenty of suppliers who offer, y'know, actually-two-sided contracts, or (this one blows my mind; but it's true) actually run a business where they do better by not screwing over their customers. It's crazy. There are also suppliers who sell commodities, and the worst they can do is give their competitors' salesweasels a good day.

  8. Simple Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He writes an application that runs on top of your browser when it's looking at facebook. why not throw in some code to re-imagine his fan page the way it was before? This could serve as the start of a way to wean users from facebook altogether, give them a little real content mixed with more open data (like a social media aggregator) and eventually replace the entire facebook experience with an aggregated one that can share/source on any platform. that way, when one provider does something silly (or vengeful, whatever) the app just routes around it.

    1. Re:Simple Solution by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      This will be Google's killer app/plugin!

      Once installed it will merge your facebook and G+ feeds.
      It will create a circle on G+ called facebook or some such and eventually everyone on facebook will be using G+.
      Profit!

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    2. Re:Simple Solution by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      Javascript is all run on the client. What you envision would require big servers and big data. Doable, but it would take serious resources.

  9. Must have been a B.U. student by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    Maybe Kruse was a B.U. student and it's Schmuckerberg's thinly veiled attempt at railing against a university who is now #41 in the country. Go Terriers!

    1. Re:Must have been a B.U. student by Dr.+Sheldon+Cooper · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:Must have been a B.U. student by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1
  10. Play with the bull you're going to get the horns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If Facebook violated a contract then they have grounds for legal action. Otherwise, to quote Airplace "They bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say 'let'em crash'". caveat emptor

  11. Dump your FB stock now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The reasons should be self-evident.

  12. This is what you get when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... you put all your Internet traffic in a few mega-sites (Facebook / Google / Yahoo / et. al.), instead of using a distributed protocol. How I long for some protocol where one person cannot control a large portion of traffic.

  13. Not Surprising at all! by Phrogman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Facebook got rid of something that took away their control over how the users interacted with FB's pages. Is that surprising? FB wants direct interaction and monitoring of its cattle so that it can package up their information to sell to the highest bidder. Why would they tolerate anything that threatens that by giving users better control over their use of the site. It might hide some useful information that they are gathering by the inefficient design they have created.

    Facebook: always remember you are the product, not the customer. The customers are Big Business (and now the NSA apparently) :P

    This is why every single user should delete their FB account.

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    1. Re:Not Surprising at all! by udachny · · Score: 3, Informative

      As I understand it they deleted the guy's page on FB, but they can't as easily destroy the browser extensions (addons) that he built for FF, Chrome, Opera and Safari. He will keep working on those, but he lost his FB account.

    2. Re:Not Surprising at all! by Arker · · Score: 1

      "Facebook got rid of something that took away their control over how the users interacted with FB's pages."

      The web was specifically designed to prevent that from happening.

      And then intentionally gimped to allow it.

      Turn off javascript and take back the web.

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    3. Re:Not Surprising at all! by bmo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      >This is why every single user should delete their FB account.

      And go where, Yahoo, G+, Geocities?

      Even Usenet is harvested 100 different ways to Sunday.

      All these posts in this thread saying "stop interacting with big business." Have y'all looked around? Try doing that without becoming a hermit living in the woods. The battle has been lost, folks.

      "B...but Diaspora!" Diaspora is slow and to really take advantage of it, you have to run your own server, which means that 99 percent of users can't even wrap their heads around the concept.

      >NSA

      They're in the NOCs. Good luck with that.

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    4. Re:Not Surprising at all! by Valdrax · · Score: 2

      "B...but Diaspora!" Diaspora is slow and to really take advantage of it, you have to run your own server, which means that 99 percent of users can't even wrap their heads around the concept.

      Forget the concept. 99% of users can't even do it because it would be a violation of their terms of service.

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    5. Re:Not Surprising at all! by sydneyfong · · Score: 1

      And go where, Yahoo, G+, Geocities?

      Slashdot, of course! The OP is obviously a paying customer of Slashdot, and he disables all advertisements, uses a fake username and email, so that he never becomes a "product" by Big Customers buying his personal info and eyeballs.

      And this is why he hasn't deleted his Slashdot account yet.

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    6. Re:Not Surprising at all! by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > This is why every single user should delete their FB account

      Sadly, that will never happen: People have become wussies. Instead of doing something about they will just bitch about it, and keep using it.

      But yes that is the proper solution to send the proper message: Critical mass take control back by stopping giving their power away. That is the only way corporations will ever "learn". Unfortunately people, in mass, aren't that smart. :-((

      . /queue next internet fad in 5 years ...

    7. Re:Not Surprising at all! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Facebook got rid of something that...

      They've only got rid of it from Facebook. It's still alive and kicking at its own website.

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    8. Re:Not Surprising at all! by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      > And go where, Yahoo, G+, Geocities?

      Neither. How about old human interaction???

      What precisely is so important on Facebook that requires your digital-pseudo-life to over-ride and neglect the physical interaction?

    9. Re:Not Surprising at all! by sstamps · · Score: 2

      Go where we've been for the last 20 years before FarceBork. Community-run social sites and forums. FarceBork knows nothing about me, nor will it ever, and I am very happy with that decision.

      The battle is only lost to those who throw their weapons and armor on the ground before the battle is even over. Just lay down and die already, amirite?

      As for the topic, play in the Devil's sandbox, eat soiled kitty litter. Don't like it? Go pound said kitty litter.

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    10. Re:Not Surprising at all! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      And go where, Yahoo, G+, Geocities?

      See .sig. But we need somebody with resources to monetize the tech. Academics and business plans don't always (often?) come from the same place.

      The Web won out over AOL (et. al.), despite AOL's early-mover advantage. Social networking will eventually do the same thing, for the same reasons.

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    11. Re:Not Surprising at all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What precisely is so important on Facebook that requires your digital-pseudo-life to over-ride and neglect the physical interaction?

      The like button, of course. :-)

    12. Re:Not Surprising at all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >This is why every single user should delete their FB account.
      And go where, Yahoo, G+, Geocities?

      Simple -- just pay for your social page.

      I spend $35 per year to run my own web page, where I post all my social content. I have none of these problems, because I'm in control.

    13. Re:Not Surprising at all! by Cederic · · Score: 1

      It's not an "either or". Most facebook users I know use Facebook to coordinate some of their physical interactions and then discuss them afterwards.

    14. Re:Not Surprising at all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually friendica works pretty well if you don't need the latest shininess and can put up with a few glitches.

      Honestly, people should put some effort into who runs the server they use for social networking. This sounds like "oh but putting my money in the bank is so much trouble!"

    15. Re:Not Surprising at all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Social Fixer still works fine for me.

    16. Re:Not Surprising at all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually we need a Slashdot Social Fixer too. How about something that marks which comments are new, for instance?

    17. Re:Not Surprising at all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "All these posts in this thread saying "stop interacting with big business." Have y'all looked around? Try doing that without becoming a hermit living in the woods. The battle has been lost, folks."

      Translation: Life sucks and there's no other choice.

      I disagree to your point. Grow your own food. See how much life changes. Most of the big business model thrives because no one grows their own food anymore. Of course, there will be a lot of jobless folks out there, but that won't matter if everyone is fed. It's those that want to be out there hussling for half of their lives, only to rest for the other half that are giving big business a place to exist. Learn to live in tune with nature. Eventually we die, either way.

    18. Re:Not Surprising at all! by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Why go anywhere? What is so necessary about sending GIFs of cats to strangers.

    19. Re:Not Surprising at all! by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      AOL was a latecomer, and thought it could take it's own user base and take over the web and internet which already had more users than AOL did, plus a much longer history and an open architecture. Though in some ways AOL did win because the internet and web eventually became highly commercialized.

  14. Streisand.... by bazorg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Quite remarkable idea for a Firefox extension. I have to try it immediately!

    1. Re:Streisand.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      me too!

    2. Re:Streisand.... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Quite remarkable idea for a Firefox extension. I have to try it immediately!

      You must be a nerd. Most of my FB friends *like* to complain about Facebook.

      Them: "God, I hate it when FB does [thing]".
      Me: "You can install the SocialFixer extension to avoid [thing]. [link]. If you need any help installing it, let me know, I'd be happy to walk you through the setup."
      Them (one week later): "God, I hate it when FB does [thing]".

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  15. Re:Warning: Cynicism Inside: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you read his blog post, his page was first "unpublished" because it allegedly contained Spam. He chose to appeal the decision, and after a few weeks the appeal was denied and the page deleted.

    I'd be interested to hear Facebook's side of the story, because right now all we've heard is what this guy has to say, and he obviously has a vested interest in making it appear that he's completely innocent.

  16. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have a sneaking suspicion that in a month or so facebook is going to release a "premium" interface, which will be disturbingly similar to Social Fixer.

    1. Re:Hmm by gsslay · · Score: 2

      Bet you a gazillion dollars they won't. Such a move would create a hierarchy of facebook user, and facebook is happy to have everyone on the same "cattle-class" interface. Indeed, that's its whole business model. Give me your data and consume your adverts!

  17. File An Antitrust Lawsuit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a good argument to be made that Facebook monopolizes social networks. And they're big enough to merit the lawsuit. This looks like a clear opening.

  18. Why would a business invest in Facebook? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've experienced this recently. The fact that you can't actually talk to a human at Facebook for this makes it a giant pain. I wouldn't recommend anyone spend any significant amount of money on Facebook advertising because even their marketing folks don't know how to contact support. Sure, spend $1,000 getting a bunch of likes only to have Facebook delete your page the next day.

  19. Quit going into the monsters cave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The facebook monster is evil. Why you keep entering the cave and inviting friends and family is beyond me.

  20. Ideas.... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Like every updated forcing me to "like" his page automatically, so I have to unlike it on every update. That's kind of scummy for his greasemonkey script to auto like pages.

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    1. Re:Ideas.... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Funny

      You just need a Greasemonkey script to sanitise his Greasemonkey script every time it gets an update.

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    2. Re:Ideas.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good way to keep track of installs....

    3. Re:Ideas.... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Like every updated forcing me to "like" his page automatically, so I have to unlike it on every update.

      It's easier to set it to not show in news feed, unless you really want the NSA to not know that you use SocialFixer.

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    4. Re:Ideas.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      I work for the NSA so I'm exempt... we dont spy on ourselves.

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  21. Re:Warning: Cynicism Inside: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ah, the class and critical thinking of slashdot on display, yet again.

    I detest these, "I'm not sayin', just sayin'" kinds of comments online.

    Let's try something new:

    If you're accusing the people involved of pulling a scam like the one you describe, then come right out and say it, and provide your evidence.

    If you can't/won't do that, then STFU.

  22. Re:Horrible social media site does horrible things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah. Zero sympathy. FB is not a company you want to have anything to do with. Get the fuck out.

  23. Re:Warning: Cynicism Inside: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you look at anything in the links? At all?

    Social Fixer does not have a business model of "telling people not to trust" Facebook. It's an addon/extension that lets you tweak UI elements of Facebook. Your whole comment is irrelevant.

  24. Not deleted by BitZtream · · Score: 1

    Gone from the easily accessible ... sure. Deleted? No way.

    Facebook doesn't delete anything. Ever.

    They can put it back anytime they want.

    $10 says that once enough people bitch, we'll here some BS excuse about an accident or bug and it suddenly re-appear.

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  25. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Didn't Slashdot just link to an article on Ars how he was almost recruited by Facebook and how he steered clear of certain areas of customization?
    http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/08/25/2053214/meet-the-programmer-behind-social-fixer

  26. Well, well, well. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not entirely taken with Nicholas Carr; but he has a useful little coinage to cover this situation: "Digital sharecropper".

    It beats real sharecropping (sometimes you get air conditioning, and even paid in real money rather than scrip and debt peonage!); but if your business (or your hobby, though businesses tend to be more financially painful) depends on a third party, with which you have absolutely no leverage other than their power and mere pleasure, (and where your business consists largely of making their business incrementally more successful), you are a sharecropper. And, while the timing of the crackdown is sometimes rather baffling, since it doesn't even seem to be to the landlord's advantage, it is closer to being an inevitability than a mere possibility.

    This doesn't mean that you have to do everything 100% alone in order to not be a sharecropper, commodities are safe enough, as are companies so mired in the demands of actually-powerful customers that they will have difficultly cutting the feet out from under you at a greater than glacial pace; but a situation where you are 100% dependent on a single third party who has the right, and the ability, to cut you down just by revoking an API key or deleting a page on their own servers? They own you.

  27. Re:Warning: Cynicism Inside: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Did you look at anything in the links? At all?

    Social Fixer does not have a business model of "telling people not to trust" Facebook. It's an addon/extension that lets you tweak UI elements of Facebook. Your whole comment is irrelevant.

    The entire story is irrelevant.
    Summary: Guy makes extension which alters FB page rendering, which is a violation of their TOS. He gets ignored while makers of other extensions which do similar things get shut down. FB finally shuts him down, tells him why. Dipshit Slashdot poster creates article with bullshit headline and summary which lacks details, Dice quickly promotes to front page to generate clicks.

  28. Re:Warning: Cynicism Inside: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was it a self fulfilling prophecy? Was it initially designed to get enough attention that FB would prove him right by deleting his page? NO

    This guy's intentions were straight forward and he happened to use FB as one means of getting the word out about his "make FB tolerable" browser extension.

    FB sees him as a threat to their "we're going to shove ads up your ass so hang in there guys" marketing philosophy. Just wait for FB to require you to watch a video ad before letting you proceed to your own page.

  29. Hmmmm .... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    his is a case of Facebook choosing to shut down someone's business just because they want to, not because they were doing anything wrong.

    Isn't one of the things Social Fixer is doing is trying to prevent Facebook et al from tracking you?

    So, if you have a community page on Facebook detailing how to block some of Facebook's functionality ... then maybe you chose the wrong platform to do this one?

    Facebook doesn't owe you your business, but superficially (and possibly incorrectly) it seems like Facebook might be annoyed you're using their system to bypass/alter some of the elements of Facebook.

    Facebook can't say a damned thing if you host this elsewhere -- but isn't this is kind of like expecting Microsoft to host articles detailing how to pirate Microsoft products?

    Welcome to the world of Terms of Service and EULAs, where the people who own the service can and will make any changes they want and you don't get a vote.

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    1. Re:Hmmmm .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well you agreed that they could change the Terms of Service without notifying you, so the fault is on you for using their service. If you're an adult and need the government as a baby-sitter for your agreements, maybe you should commit yourself to a center for the mentally challenged.

    2. Re:Hmmmm .... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      t isn't this is kind of like expecting Microsoft to host articles detailing how to pirate Microsoft products?

      If SocialFixer can disable ads, I sure haven't seen it.

      Here's how SocialFixer works for me: Without it, I don't use Facebook. It's UI is too horrible for me to contemplate. I've tried using it once or twice in the past year on some browser I have that didn't have SF installed, and I just stopped after about two minutes.

      SocialFixer allows me to set non-blinding colors and layout, set the sort order I like, hide (e.g.) my third cousin's posts about her insane animal breeding business (8 times a day) and get image views with a mouseover. Doesn't sounds like much, but it cuts my frustration level by 90%.

      If FB wants to kill SF, they've killed some segment of their user base (apparently at least 300,000).

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    3. Re:Hmmmm .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FB thinks I'm an 80yo retired guy. I get no adverts from them.

  30. What a shocker by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Who could have seen this as the outcome of standing in the crosshairs of corporate power while flipping the double deuce?

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  31. Re:Warning: Cynicism Inside: by Dogtanian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In this specific case, if you are telling people to distrust Facebook, with a Facebook group, you'll get a lot of blog posts and Twitting if you shut down the Facebook group with no warning.

    To be blunt, you have to wonder if people like this are more a part of the problem than the solution they purport to be.

    The real- and obvious- fundamental problem is how Facebook operates their site. This company's product merely papers over the symptoms with a "solution" that doesn't address the real issue, and will only *ever* be short term, breakable at a whim by Facebook themselves. But by making Facebook more palatable over the short term, they hide this problem and encourage people to stay with the site.

    It's a waste of effort that might annoy Facebook but ultimately plays into their hands. Fundamentally, if it doesn't encourage Facebook to change their behaviour and/or policies *or* work on moving people away to another service- or whatever- then it's still a part of the Facebook ecosystem and encouraging its use (and hence supporting its cynical behaviour and discouraging other, more responsible approaches to social networking).

    Of course, it might suit *them* from a business point-of-view to be doing this anyway, but for everyone else it's not so great.

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  32. A bit slow, maybe...? by DogDude · · Score: 0

    Not to be intentionally mean, but I'm thinking that this guy isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. The title of the page linked to in the article, and the text he repeats several times on said page is: "Be Warned: You Are At The Mercy Of Facebook".

    What kind of non-mentally challenged adult doesn't understand this already? This guy built a building on somebody else's property, and was shocked when the owners of said property took it down.

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  33. If only there was some way of not using Facebook.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nt

  34. Thank you for not RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Facebook got rid of a page on Facebook which describes Social Fixer and provided a link to the distribution point, and support for SF. The actual distribution point, located off of Facebook's servers, still exists, and Social Fixer STILL WORKS. (The same can be said for the other, "banned" extension, Facebook Purity.)

    When you (Facebook) design your product (Facebook) to run as a javascript app within a user's browser, you have ALREADY GIVEN UP total control of your site.

  35. Chromebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering their styling has been totally F'd on the chromebook for weeks, they are looking pretty bush league against the social fixer. No one likes that!

  36. Only fools trust or use Facebook, period. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's all you need to know to make the decision
    on whether to use Facebook.

  37. Near the end of the cycle for Facebook by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Social Network Website Cycle:
    1. New social network site (SNS) starts, targeting a very small group of individuals. It's small, it's clean, it's easy to use, it helps people stay in touch with their friends, so a significant percentage of that target group joins up.
    2. SNS targets a bunch of other similar groups, and the site starts growing.
    3. SNS targets progressively wider groups until it's now millions of users.
    4. Now, it opens itself to the public.
    5. Once the user base is sufficiently large, it sells out, either via an IPO or a private sale.
    6. The people who just bought it try to "monetize" those users by selling them advertising, related apps, etc.
    7. Eventually, the users start getting fed up because the ads are too intrusive, the related apps are expensive and not useful or fun, and of course the SNS is taking people's personal information for their own use.
    8. A new SNS starts with some small target audience to rectify the bloated annoyance of the dominant SNS, and the cycle begins again.

    We've been through this a couple of times, already, and Facebook is somewhere around step 7. They'd like to stay in stages 6-7 for as long as possible.

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    1. Re:Near the end of the cycle for Facebook by Connie_Lingus · · Score: 2

      its a shame, but i think your wrong about this when it comes to FB...

      remember, a huge part of the userbase is older professionals who, frankly, have no interest in changing their SN provider *unless* they do something totally outrageous (like charging a monthly fee) or something so much better is developed (unlikely) and everyone they know jumps ship.

      yes i agree young users will soon start fleeing FB (aren't they already?) because, well young people don't want to use mom n dads SN.

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    2. Re:Near the end of the cycle for Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. However, Facebook is definitely on step 7 with Google+ set to overtake Facebook by next year.

      The major sites in order that have followed this trend are:

      1. Friendster (came and went)
      2. Myspace (came and went)
      3. Facebook (came and dying..600 million users and dwindling from a high of 900 million)
      4. Google+ (growing by 10's of millions a month..400 million active users and growing)
      5. ??

    3. Re:Near the end of the cycle for Facebook by Sandman1971 · · Score: 2

      People said the same when Google came along. It won't be long until it dies and something better comes along.

      Yahoo, Alta Vista, Google, they were just part of a cycle. Another search engine will come along to supplant the dominance. The life cycle for a websearch engine was about 3 years back then. How long has Google reigned supreme?

      Things aren't like they used to be. These types of things tend to either die out fairly quickly, or stick around for many years. I don't think Facebook is in a situation where they'll die off any time soon.

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    4. Re:Near the end of the cycle for Facebook by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Great list!

      You missed the original one:
          Geocities

      Not sure if
          LiveJournal
      was before or after Friendster.

    5. Re:Near the end of the cycle for Facebook by FreonTrip · · Score: 1

      Before, as best I recall. It went something like Geocities -> LiveJournal -> Friendster -> MySpace -> Facebook, not counting the various Diarylands, Xangas, and other strains of internet funk that bloomed and withered on the sides like little fungus gardens.

  38. Re:Warning: Cynicism Inside: by Jmc23 · · Score: 2

    What a farce. Facebook makes it's money off spam, hence the reason if you report something as spam or offensive it will STILL pop up on your newsfeed.

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  39. It pretty clearly violates the TOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From his own FAQ:

    Q: Can Social Fixer hide the Sponsored ads?
    A: Yes, just click on the "X" in the upper right of the box, and all boxes with the same title will be hidden every time you load a page.

    If your product interferes with Facebook's revenue stream, don't try hosting it on Facebook. Zucko's done some creepy things with that site but shutting down this project is hardly surprising.

    1. Re:It pretty clearly violates the TOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IT is not hosted on Facebook, Just advertised. the files are hosted elsewhere like with Mozilla, or Google as an add on to the browser.

  40. Wait ... What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean allowing business to operate without any restrictions on their behavior might actually be bad for business as a whole? Ludwig von Mises is turning over in his grave.

  41. I have never understood... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why people trust sites not under their direct control. Facebook is evil, pure and simple. It's a hub of narcissistic people looking for validation and shallow communications. Want to stay in touch with people? Call them, so they can hear your voice. Go visit them in person. Email your photos and keep them away from the prying eyes of the capitalist and monetization ad evil.

  42. Re:And yet... by Russ1642 · · Score: 2, Funny

    They have battered women now? I've just been eating them raw.

  43. Monopoly on social interaction by sinij · · Score: 1, Insightful

    We, or a lot of us, are reasonably weary of the government overreach into our personal lives. There are checks and balances in place that over long run designed to keep government from intruding too much into our lives. We could never reduce it to zero, it is necessary evil, but we can and should pragmatically minimize it.
     
      There is no such measures for private corporations, like Facebook, that if happen to monopolize social interaction can become worse dictators than any government. Just imagine how 'freedom of speech' would work, if speaking was not natural but instead enabled by Speech Inc that could stop selling it you on a whim? This is why Internet Neutrality is so important, but we dropped the ball on Social Neutrality and will have to fight an uphill battle.
     
      I think way forward is to deem some services 'essential'. Yes, I shudder at the idea of declaring Facebook essential (I chose not to use it) but for many people it is.

    1. Re:Monopoly on social interaction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If people are stupid enough to consider facebook essential to their lives, well maybe they deserve what they get. What's next? Declaring alcohol essential for alcoholics?

    2. Re:Monopoly on social interaction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But the thing is, they don't have a monopoly on social interaction..

      There is *nothing* preventing you from creating your own social site tomorrow and trying to lure people into subscribing to it.

      If the law were rewritten so that Facebook is the only social platform one can use on the Internet... then you'd have something, maybe.

    3. Re:Monopoly on social interaction by sinij · · Score: 1

      >>> There is *nothing* preventing you from creating your own X tomorrow and trying to lure people into subscribing to it.
       
        Just like with a Standard Oil, you are free to start your own oil company? I hope you understand how ridiculous such suggestion when we are talking about monopoly.

    4. Re:Monopoly on social interaction by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      The costs involved in creating a social media site are trivial compared to creating an oil company. Creating a social media site can be done by a programmer in a basement living off of cheetos (though it probably wouldn't be a great site). Creating an oil company would take many more people and much more money. The two things aren't really comparable.

      I have a feeling what you're trying to say is that you have as much chance of being successful at creating a thriving social media site as you do starting your own oil company. Which may be true. But that's not what GP was saying.

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  44. Idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you have a problem with facebook, well don't use it, I know I don't. And before you start talking about loosing jobs by not having facebook, perhaps you should grow a real social life, I've never even known anyone that lost anything by refusing to use facebook (or other social networks).

    1. Re:Idiots by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      I've never even known anyone that lost anything by refusing to use facebook (or other social networks).

      Well, you wouldn't, would you? That's the peril of abstaining from a communications technology.

      I miss out on stuff all the time because I refuse to use social media; sometimes my friends remember to tell me individually, and sometimes they forget. I don't really have any right to demand that they make extra special care to communicate to me when their preferred means of communication gets the rest of us; it's me that's the odd one sticking out. It's nice when they think of me and let me know, but it's not some great social snub that they don't walk across the room to speak to the guy standing alone in the corner. I'm the one who opted into that.

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  45. User experience? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The extension was obviously altering the user experience by Facebook. They make their money based on that user experience so you had it coming.

  46. Interesting plugin...anything similar for Gmail? by CCarrot · · Score: 1

    I know this is way off topic, but does anyone know of a similar plugin for Gmail? One that maybe rolls back some of the stupider 'improvements' they've made to their interface?

    Specifically, something that will axe the awkward and idiotized new 'compose' and 'reply' interfaces, rolling them back a version? Oh, and restoring a one-click logout option would be sweet, too :) I understand why they hid the logout button way back when, since they definitely have a vested interest in people not logging out...ever...but it's just one more annoyance in the pot.

    Oh, and while we're talking UI modifications, I wouldn't say no to the ability to sort by columns in the webclient, something that Froogle has never offered...I'm just sayin' :) Oh yeah, and being able to see the size of emails (especially ones with attachments, obviously) would be a sweet bonus.

    I know, I know, I can get all this in an offline client, but the three things I do like about Gmail is 1) it's portability, 2) tags instead of folders, and 3) conversation view. The conversation view could be replicated in an offline client, but I haven't yet found one that supports tags instead of folders, and of course any offline client is by definition not portable unless you carry it around on a thumb drive with you...then just hope you have a USB port available on the right platform to plug it into...

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  47. It was about time by anasciiman · · Score: 1

    When Facebook did this very same thing to the author of Fluff Busting Purity, the author of Social Fixer pooh-poohed him for violating Facebook's ToS. This here is Karma coming home to roost. And it's about time. Equitability must be maintained.

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    1. Re:It was about time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      When Facebook did this very same thing to the author of Fluff Busting Purity, the author of Social Fixer pooh-poohed him for violating Facebook's ToS. This here is Karma coming home to roost. And it's about time. Equitability must be maintained.

      Matt has worked as closely as he was allowed with Facebook to ensure that he did not violate the Terms of Service. As best as he can figure so far, the shut down of his page isn't because of a violation of the API, but because his page was reported as distributing spam. He cannot verify beyond that, though, because Facebook has offered him no way of communicating with them for any clarification.

  48. Warn against working for free! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I warn you against working for free for a big corporation - what was this guy thinking!? Why would he pour all these unpaid hours into making a service more valuable for a big corporation? Really not smart.

  49. They are probably still offended by Fosterocalypse · · Score: 1

    That he didn't take the job offer they gave him. They wanted him to work for them and he opted to stay where he was at with the job he was happy with and not uproot his family. At the end of the day FB is a business and they are going to do whatever they want or need to to keep the revenue stream growing. http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/08/meet-matt-kruse-the-man-making-facebook-better/

  50. facefuck by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    None of the cool kids use facebook anyway.

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  51. brilliant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    viral marketing at it's best, thanks slashdot

  52. Re:Warning: Cynicism Inside: by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

    Facebook wants to make money of its spam, not your spam.

  53. This happened to our business too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We had over 3,000 likes and our website was growing at a pretty good clip. Then one day without explanation they shut our page down and say it cannot be restored. We've appealed the decision numerous times only to be denied without explanation. I am absolutely clueless what we did to cause this but I will never again invest a dime in anything to do with Facebook.

  54. Backups by cbreak · · Score: 1

    'It's gone. Years of work and almost 340,000 fans, wiped out. Erased.'

    He should really have made backups if his work is so valuable to him. Cloud storage might be in these days, but putting all eggs into the same basket is risky either way.

    1. Re:Backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      'It's gone. Years of work and almost 340,000 fans, wiped out. Erased.'

      He should really have made backups if his work is so valuable to him. Cloud storage might be in these days, but putting all eggs into the same basket is risky either way.

      The "work" isn't the software, it's the effort that was made to establish and build up a reputable online community. All of that will have to be re-done again to re-establish communication with those who currently use the software, if Matt's going to go through with the effort on Facebook at all.

    2. Re:Backups by aaronb1138 · · Score: 0

      If years of work are the number of fans and that fan page's contents and not the software, he's not a developer, he's a marketer. That essentially makes him a non-paying customer of Facebook. The page should absolutely been wiped out if he wasn't going to match the fiduciary contributions of the other marketers who have contracts with Facebook.

      The software remains.

      Should the crowd here really be supporting marketers? I think we are enlightened enough to see how much they cost our society with a very poor cost to benefit ratio compared to other economic endeavors.

    3. Re:Backups by reluctantjoiner · · Score: 1

      > Should the crowd here really be supporting marketers? I think we are enlightened enough to see how much they cost our society with a very poor cost to benefit ratio compared to other economic endeavors

      I used to hold that view, but it occurred to me that might be slightly irrational. If you have a product or idea you need to A) know if anyone will buy it B) let people know it exists. Kickstarter is obviously a marketing endeavour, and it seems to be of benefit.

      On the other hand, "The Greatest Movie Ever Sold" talks about a South American town which banned advertising. The store owners relied on word of mouth for their business. I'm not sure that would work for a business with only an online presence. Few things go viral, and nobody's entirely sure why one thing goes viral and the other not. Waiting for people to patronise your business is about as effective is waiting for the phone to call in starting a relationship.

      And to return to the subject, it reminds me I need to make a backup of my hosted site Real Soon Now.

  55. Thankful for FBs action by Wokan · · Score: 2

    I wouldn't have heard of this extension if FB hadn't done something to annoy this guy. I installed it this morning and tried it out. I like it. It does give me options Facebook doesn't offer and that I didn't even know I was missing. It probably won't be for everybody. Their overlay is well done, but is slightly different from FB's styles. That's probably a good thing. I'll be more likely to know where problems are coming from if I have any.

    It's not all that different from using Greasemonkey scripts to fix sites, just with Facebook APIs thrown into the mix.

    1. Re:Thankful for FBs action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've used SocialFixer for well over a year. It's extremely high quality software doing an incredibly complex job, and I have enormous respect for Matt Kruse. I don't develop software these days, but I know the ropes very well - Matt Kruse is world class. I think he was right to turn down a job offer from FB, what would be the point of having them tell him and/or his product how to behave?

      There are times when Facebook does a wrong thing. This is certainly one of those times, imho. Very, very rude of them to behave like that to a man who has always respected their rules, has never really messed with their product in a bad way nor tried to get into their servers, etc. And, he is a real gentleman. Unlike certain others I can think of, who seem to think it's acceptable to ask $100 to communicate with them. Breadheads ... meh.
       

  56. Re:If only there was some way of not using Faceboo by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

    I like the way you think! Now if only we could come up with a way to share photos, videos, and talk digitally ...

    . /sarcasm Nah, that would never work.

  57. Re: Warning: Cynicism Inside: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He is merely asking for evidence in a rude way. You, however, are letting your logical phallus show. How is your genetic fallacy working out for you?

  58. Re:Interesting plugin...anything similar for Gmail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I liked gmail prior to it being completely unintuitive to use the web interface.

    (And until they killed Activesync which was the best way to use it).

    Outlook.com at least supports the common options on the right mouse button like everybody should.

  59. Never Would Have Heard Of It... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never would of heard of it if Facebook didn't do what they did.

  60. Sky is blue, water is wet by Yakasha · · Score: 1
    And Facebook (Google, PayPal, whatever) screwed somebody else.

    This is capitalism.

    If you're not a customer, you're a commodity or an expense. Stop being surprised when you get treated like one.

    I bet you lost money with Zynga's IPO too...

  61. two lighter examples elsewhere: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a) Flickr pushed the author of an image download utility to remove the "all" checkbox, so you have to manually go through every item to check them. Did not reduce program functionality, just made it so you couldn't do a batch download in one click. It still picks up all sizes of pictures that at the time you couldn't right-click to download.

    b) Tumblr has had an adversarial relationship with Missing e for ages, but the only change in how it uses the API that actually has happened was the removal of the ability to block Radar (which is 80% commercial content, read "ads", lately). Which leads to:

    If Social Fixer blocks those horrible targetted ads down the right column, that would be why Facebook would have an issue with the app. However, they could say "you need to change your program because the ads are supposed to be part of the experience" (or some legalese to that effect) to the author rather than just deleting the community without warning.

  62. Why most of you are getting this wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As somebody familiar with both Matt Kruse and Social Fixer over the last several years, allow me to clarify just what the real issue is here.

    What makes this frustrating is that the Social Fixer page, and the suspensions of the personal accounts of Matt, his wife, and all of the page administrators, is that none of them had any means of communication with anybody from Facebook about it. There ONLY option was to click an "Appeal" button. They couldn't ask exactly what they did wrong, they couldn't ask how they could make things better. It was an entirely unilateral decision made by somebody within Facebook that completely blocks the communication that social media is supposed to help foster.

    Matt is not clueless about how Facebook operates. After all, at one time, somebody within Facebook was actually recruiting him. What is even more bewildering is that this could happen in spite of the fact that SOMEBODY ELSE within Facebook knows of the work Matt does and found him to be favorable enough to even offer a job. So, now Matt is only left to wonder, did this removal of his community page happen because Facebook is cold and mechanical, or did this happen because somebody within Facebook has an axe to grind with him personally?

    To me it's not astonishing that this happened, it's astonishing as to HOW it could happen.

  63. Protip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're going to build an online community around anything, step one should be setting up your own domain/hosting/website. Piggybacking on any "social networking" site to build your community is a bad idea if it is your primary (or only) point of contact. At best, a facebook page should be nothing other than a link farm that points to your website.

    The headline should read something more like this: Guy puts content on site he doesn't control and complains when he can't control the site.

  64. If only... by istartedi · · Score: 0

    If only there were someplace where (perhaps for a modest fee) you could upload your stuff without having to go through a company. Like, a site of your very own. You could even come up with some simple scripts to put on the site if you wanted a "social" feel. Maybe a small database for your friends. Since it's on the Internet, it'd be World wide. There must be some open source for this, somewhere. We just need to get people to upload there. Once it takes off, it would be very social. It'd be a virtual web of social activity, world wide. I'm not sure what we'd call that. Once it's established we could further advance the quality and subtlety of communication. We might even be able to convey sarcasm there. Nah, perhaps I'm being a bit too ambitious.

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    For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
  65. Re:Warning: Cynicism Inside: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, how does the fact that he's posting as anonymous make the post in any way less accurate, asshat?

    Right, it doesn't. Asshats are just asshats, I guess.

  66. Re:Interesting plugin...anything similar for Gmail by hduff · · Score: 1

    Use the HTML interface plus the Better Gmail FF extension..

    https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=html&zy=h

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    "I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
  67. Re:Warning: Cynicism Inside: by meerling · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm betting that he pissed someone off because he's making FB better and giving users what they want better than FB can.

  68. Re:Warning: Cynicism Inside: by meerling · · Score: 1

    As far as I can tell, FB doesn't listen to what the users want or like, it just follows along with it's own plans for us, and when we complain, it just whistles louder to itself.

  69. Sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After all, those years of work had some sort of value, commercial or otherwise, and Facebook appears to have stolen them.

  70. Re:Warning: Cynicism Inside: by meerling · · Score: 3, Interesting

    He did. He stated what happened, and the only statement FB has given, he refuted. Everything else is opinion due to a lack of information and dialog. FB decided to take his ball and go home, and won't answer the door or the phone. Not a lot of options left there pal, so him and his buddies are trying to gather together on the nearby sidewalk and get someones attention. Metaphorically speaking of course.

  71. Re: Warning: Cynicism Inside: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In the age of the NSA, the AC may be safer/smarter than the non-AC.

  72. Helloooo Streisand Effect! by Dega704 · · Score: 1

    Seriously, I had no idea this software existed until I saw this article. I'm going to download it right now since I think Facebook's UI is an eyesore. Whatever FB was trying to accomplish is guaranteed to backfire spectacularly.

  73. Adopt corporate technology. Get dumped and burned. by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

    Microsoft either abandons or "dead-ends" languages and platforms with gay abandon. Google drops popular and useful things like google reader because it just didn't monetize quickly enough for some bean counter. Facebook follows in their footsteps by doing the same thing.

    We developers are less than fleas to large corporations. Your only defense is to hitch your star to open source languages and platforms. Microsoft, Facebook, Google, and their ilk simply don't give a shit about their development communities. At all.

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    Please do not read this sig. Thank you.
  74. Re:If only there was some way of not using Faceboo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A cell phone with email?

  75. Re:Interesting plugin...anything similar for Gmail by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 1

    Use a smtp/imap/pop client. Eliminates all that sort of crap. Also you can tie in other accounts so that your yahoo & hotmail incoming get aggregated together, should you find that desirable. The only interface you'll see is the clients UI, no bogus enhancements from the mail provider or ads either. And I have to agree, I took a look at the gmail web interface, and it's the worst. Plus, half of it won't even work with my preferred browser, it's useless.

  76. Facebook made him an offer he couldn't refuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and he refused.

    Obviously if he went to work for FB he'd have to cancel the site & software. He didn't.

    Look for the horse head in the bed.

  77. Browsing with Assistive Technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Browsing with Assistive Technology alters FB page rendering.
    Hell, CHANGING THE SIZE OF THE WINDOW changes FB page rendering.

    Neither are against their TOS because their TOS cannot make "change the page rendering" against their terms.

  78. troll talk from the_fat_kid by globaljustin · · Score: 3, Informative

    Tough talk from an anonymous coward...

    who cares?

    the content of his message was a productive addition to the discussion that's all that matters

    that's the point of anonymity

    I wouldn't bother posting this, except that your ridiculous kind of bullshit posturing and insistence on privacy-invading log-in's are the same *bullshit* that underlies this move by facebook.com to get rid of Social Fixer.

    Social Fixer was a threat to facebook.com's business model simple as that. It's written into their IPO in the section that describes threats to company revenue. They say that legislation or other rules or policies that give users control over their data is a threat to their revenue.

    Sure we all know that's how they work, but don't you see how having it in a **legally binding contract** creates a certainty of a type of behavior that none of them can now control?

    due to their IPO it is a **mathmatical certainty** that facebook.com INC will do this as a matter of Standard Operating Procedure.

    Every 'Social Fixer' in the world should expect this.

    as to parent, you need to completely reverse your understanding of anonymity and human interaction

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    Thank you Dave Raggett
    1. Re:troll talk from the_fat_kid by the_fat_kid · · Score: 1

      I did not "insist on a privacy invading Log-in"
      I just think that it's kind of fucked up to post a slur on the entire slashdot user base as an anonymous coward.
      But you, I give you credit for at least not being anonymous.
      I have no love for Facebook. I have no dog in this fight.
      And I can't help but notice that you have given up your privacy, number 574257.

      http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

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    2. Re:troll talk from the_fat_kid by globaljustin · · Score: 2

      hey thanks for the reply

      I believe you when you say this:

      I have no love for Facebook

      but here's the thing...GP did not

      post a slur on the entire slashdot users base

      he called people who are being idiots 'idiots' which is entirely apropos...I love slashdot and when I read what posts get up-modded sometimes I get really pissed and start formulating conspiracy theories involving Dice Media & the English Royal Family...

      but I digress in this post as I often do in actual conversation...

      It was the deeper point, *NOT THE LANGUAGE* that was a positive contribution to the discussion...I object to the notion that *any* strong or harsh language is by default considered a 'slur'

      it's ok to use bombastic language sparringly...sometimes the situation calls for it

      --
      Thank you Dave Raggett
  79. Re:And yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't smother them in grits?

  80. Re:Warning: Cynicism Inside: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tough talk from someone also using a pseudonym. Post your real name and address if you're such an internet tough guy.

  81. Re:Warning: Cynicism Inside: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the age of information, propaganda and misdirection are becoming more and more commonplace. So it is a good thing that someone always points out the potential for this in every thread. It encourages people to keep in mind that these things might be happening and allows for people to be more vigilant and not be as easy 'marks'. If there is no further information to show that it is actually happening there is usually only a post or two and everyone moves on to the rest of the story. Pretty healthy way to handle things in my opinion.

  82. Re:Warning: Cynicism Inside: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There should be no such thing as "Terms Of Service" for a webpage, any more than there is for a book or newspaper.

  83. Re: Warning: Cynicism Inside: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's "website", not "web page". If you're going to use their servers and their services then you have to play by their rules.

    If you don't like their TOS you're free to set up your own website.

  84. Old haunted house is haunted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That teach those kids to put up their tents on crazy ol man Suckerburgs lawn.

  85. Everyone will find this out the hard way. by ralphaostrander · · Score: 1

    Facebook will one day be myspace and that is a fact. If your going to build something put it on your own server. And point to open water www.nextcoolthingxxxxxxxx.com

  86. People don't get it, FB owns your presence... by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

    You agree to be owned by FB when you sue their services. You agree that everything you plug-into it is theirs to do with pretty much as they see fit.

    If you don't like that, and only a fool would, stop using it. Just stop. Do you really need the internet heroin of the "like" button and pictures of kittens and ugly and banal memes to fill-up your days anyway ?

    The only reason FB exists is because they've made so it easy for you to become addicted. You made the choice to get addicted to it. Stop crying about it and free yourself.

    Nobody can free you but yourself. Not the government, not FB, not corporate America, not your religion, not your friends, not the political party you've aligned yourself to, none of these entities care about you or your freedom; they all seek to monetize you.

    You're doing it to yourselves.

  87. Re:Warning: Cynicism Inside: Defund FB! by bbsalem · · Score: 2

    Facebook deserves to be defunded, but as I have little faith in the wisdom of markets and investors, surly to annoy Libertarians and other rabid Captalists, maybe even that most obvious sociopath, Marrk Zuckerberg himself, the stock price is as high as it has ever been, stupid idiots, so much for Milton Freeman who never deserved a Nobel Prize, and economics does not deserve to be a Nobel Prize catigory. But I digress!

    The irony of all is that the blue on glaring white default style was inpsired by Zuck's own COLOR BLINDNESS according to a NetTuts+ discussion of the UI. and Social Fixer was an attenpt to fix defficiencies in the default style. It made FB accessable for me, a low vision user who could use a big colored font on a dark background. It still doesn't go far enough in using the screen real estate in an efficient and responsive way. I would like to see someone take the UI away from Facebook's engineers, do this locally on the browser with a CSS reset and use of a local DOM parser like jQuery, and thumb its nose at Face Book engineering by hiding the right pane of the grid, the challenge is to hack the javascript from Face Book on your browser and either thwarting FB control or providing an allowed secondary app to post from. Fact is, that if ONE disabled Federal worker has to use FB in his work and struggles with the limitations of FB's UI, FB can be sued to provide accmmmodation under the ADA, and for that they should embrace Social Fixer, not screw with it.

    Facebook needs to be taken down for its arrogance. What I hope, against hope, is that investors wise up and take their money out of the corporation and cause it to fail. At that point the decent parts of the social media experiment can be reconstituted by unbundling the CMS fron the UI and the global friends list. The three parts could be separate business entities and the model Facebook users, a Big Data control for the benefit of its business partners at the expense of the user experience can end. As it happens I leve a couple of miles from FB's HQ, in fact worked in those buildings when it was Sun Microsystems, but that is only incidental, as I think that a bit of code running on my browser can fix the mess and screw FB's business model. It is time to hack FB, and with their help, because their SDK is the keys to the kingdom and if one can build an app outside the browser that does something they support for mobile use. It can be used against them and punish them for not being kind to their users.

  88. Our right to Facebook by MA179 · · Score: 1

    Facebook is a business. Facebook is not a "right". You choose to subscribe. They may be dominant, but they are not a monopoly. It's a free market. If you don't like what Facebook did go somewhere else. The number of "Friends" someone has on Facebook is inversely proportional to how much I want to be one of them (this last is a personal opinion, you don't get to argue about it). Social media is a government plot to get you to give away information they can't legally take (ok, now I'm trolling).