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Majority of Enterprise Customers Finally 'Migrating Away From Windows XP'

New submitter TinTops writes "Speaking in a keynote at Intel's Developer Forum, Microsoft's vice president of marketing, Tami Reller, said the firm has 'now seen about three quarters of Windows enterprises moving to modern desktops' from Windows XP, with the last leg of Windows XP migrations being spurred by the imminent availability of Windows 8.1. However, Reller did not offer a breakdown of the enterprise uptake of Windows 8 compared to Windows 7, both of which are counted by Microsoft as modern desktops."

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  1. Migration by puddingebola · · Score: 3, Funny

    Maybe they are migrating to Canada. I hear that it is a nice country.

    1. Re:Migration by kilodelta · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Indeed - I've watched with amusement how Microsoft completely blew it regarding OS upgrades. From XP to Vista to 7 to 8. Vista was vomit inducing, 7 better but still the regroup of system options and control panels really made no sense. And 8 is a flaming piece of shit no matter how you dice it.

      There was a time I was probably what you'd call a Windows lapdog. Now I'd much prefer Unix/Linux. Try doing pattern matching on your windows box it's weak at best. And the file system on Windows, egad! I also recall a few years back how the Win FS was supposed to solve the issues with NTFS etc. But Microsoft could never get it to work.

  2. How close to 100% is the Windows 7 percentage? by rumpledoll · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I suspect well north of 90%. Anyone know a real number for this?

    1. Re:How close to 100% is the Windows 7 percentage? by RatBastard · · Score: 4, Informative

      My office is slowly migrating to 7. We have no plans to go with Windows 8 on the desktop.

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    2. Re:How close to 100% is the Windows 7 percentage? by msobkow · · Score: 4, Funny

      A real number? On Slashdot?

      Let me guess: You actually read the article, too.

      But I've not run into a single Windows 8 desktop at any business site I've ever worked for or visited, so I suspect your number is lowballing it.

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    3. Re:How close to 100% is the Windows 7 percentage? by fishnuts · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As an IT manager who oversees deployment and maintenance of about 60 desktops and laptops, some of which are shared among multiple employees, consistency in OS availability for the end user is key. We upgrade one or two machines per month, and we started using Windows 7 three years ago, so about 15 systems still run XP. We're not touching 8.1 until there are no more XP systems on our network, AND people show interest in actually using 8.1, AND at least one service pack has been released to address outstanding issues since its public release, AND we discover a way to disable the "Tiles" start screen. Supporting systems with two different desktop interfaces is a serious pain in the ass, especially for non-technical users. So far, only two people have shown interest in using Windows 8 (techie geek types), and the vast majority of our employees are averse to changing their OS at all.

      I've had to customize Windows 7 a bit to make it "comfortable" for the lowest common denominator: Long-time XP/2000 users.

    4. Re:How close to 100% is the Windows 7 percentage? by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Informative

      My office is slowly migrating to 7. We have no plans to go with Windows 8 on the desktop.

      For home I took one look at 8 and promptly bought 7.

      Our office is not in the habit of supporting 8, so we are actively discouraging adoption of it.

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    5. Re:How close to 100% is the Windows 7 percentage? by msobkow · · Score: 4, Funny

      *rolls eyes* Why, yes, Office is an Operating System.

      Just like Emacs is. :P

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    6. Re:How close to 100% is the Windows 7 percentage? by vux984 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      AND at least one service pack has been released to address outstanding issues since its public release,

      Wouldn't you consider 8.1 as a service pack to 8.0 ?

      AND we discover a way to disable the "Tiles" start screen

      The 3rd party add-ons do that well enough today. If you haven't "discovered" them yet, you haven't been looking. But honestly, by the time your company is likely to move to consider moving past 7, maybe you'll want to reconsider that.

      2-3 years from now, I figure the new start screen will have largely been adopted as mainstream (at least if Microsoft doesn't abandon it in favor of a whole new UI next year...) and by then using it at work might be acceptable for the vast majority of employees, with minimal training.

      Sure you'll have a few luddites who still get angry if the desktop doesn't look like what they used in 1998 but they can either adapt or be replaced.

      Not that I'm suggesting rolling out the start screen now... I'm just saying make that decision a few years out. When XP launched everybody in business always set the classic theme to make it look more like Windows 2000. by 2005 that practice was long dead... people all had XP at home, and had acclimatized to the new start menu.

      I think we'll see that repeat again with the start screen, although it may take a bit longer. since its a lot more different and computers last longer now.

      And again... it all depends on what microsoft does... sitcks with it and further improves it... or if they throw it under the bus with Zune and Silverlight... :)

    7. Re:How close to 100% is the Windows 7 percentage? by tftp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The 3rd party add-ons do that well enough today. If you haven't "discovered" them yet, you haven't been looking.

      Those 3rd party add-ons are not a good option for a business. Microsoft can break the functionality at any time - and they did it once already, with 8.1.

      If they do it again, what will you do when on some fine Wednesday 100 workers come to their computers, wiggle the mouse, and they see ... what will they see? They never saw it before. Would be probably a thousand tiles. They will call the IT. The telephones at IT melt down, and the IT director commits seppuku with a dull byte. There is no option to "wait a couple weeks until the Start8 people figure out what is broken *this time*." The option to roll back the updates is also not very easy (if you need it, you aren't set up for approved deployment of patches.)

      2-3 years from now, I figure the new start screen will have largely been adopted as mainstream

      It won't be because it is not an improvement, it's a regress to Windows 3.0. Full-screen, single window Program Manager.

    8. Re:How close to 100% is the Windows 7 percentage? by LordLimecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Luddite" means someone opposed to progress because of lost jobs.

      People opposing the new tiles menu oppose regressions that impede work.

    9. Re:How close to 100% is the Windows 7 percentage? by BUL2294 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wrong... Windows 3.0 Program Manager supported multiple, overlapping windows. Win8 is a regression to Windows 1.0x, which did not support overlapping windows--only maximized & tiled. We didn't go back to 1990-era capabilities (3.0), but back to 1985-era capabilities. Is there a hack that will allow me to run the tiles in 4-color CGA mode???

      Where Win8's crappy Metro tile desktop program loading thingy falls apart is when you have multiple shortcuts that have the same name. How does that happen? Simple: "Uninstall". Not "Uninstall (program"), but "Uninstall". With the Start Menu, "Uninstall" is under the folder of the program (or even in the Win3.x Program Manager Group). No such info on Win8's StartClusterfuck...

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    10. Re:How close to 100% is the Windows 7 percentage? by tftp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      True of all 3rd party software. All the time.

      Breakage of a random application that dared to use a deprecated API call that suddenly suffered a regression (and wasn't tested, since it's deprecated) does occur. But it's unintentional, and MS may eventually fix the problem. They have no particular reason to protect a problem.

      However Metro was a problem that was intentionally created and maintained and protected. Working around that problem is "unwelcome." I don't know how open is the API that the software is using, but as I suspect it is neither very open nor very much designed for 3rd parties. If it's undocumented, here be dragons.

      In essence, software like Start8 is actively fighting Microsoft. And Microsoft fights back. What business would want to stand on that battlefield and risk being obliterated by one side or the other?

      No, its becoming a tiling window manager, something several linux users run on their own systems by choice and swear by it.

      Tiling window managers fit the workflow of precious few users. I don't use it myself (actively hate!) and I don't know anyone who would use one or want one. Many years ago I knew one geek; he was only using console I/O and vi. Perhaps it would work for him. But it's sheer insanity to throw a highly specialized piece of software at unsuspecting people who - for their whole life of computing - have never even seen a tiling WM. The nature of "general computing" suggests that we run different applications, and they have different needs. Tiling WM is OK if you and your software are very logical and very systematic. Most people are nothing of the sort. They just drag their windows around until they get what they want. They do not "program" their WM, they wing it.

      And I think most of microsofts defaults for the start screen are stupid on a desktop... but that's all stuff that easily fixable with group policy.

      Indeed, plenty of SO/HO users are ready to whip up a few GPOs and deploy them through their AD. That's what those poor souls live for - to fix Windows. Not to repair cars, and not to sell products, and not to bake pizza - but to code GPOs. Sure, this is not a problem at a large company. But it is a huge problem at a smaller company. Now you have to buy a new computer and call the support contractor right away because the computer is not usable "out of the box."

  3. We're Skipping Windows 8 and 8.1 by ScottCooperDotNet · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't know why any sane company would be "spurred by the imminent availability of Windows 8.1" to drop XP. It's much more about XP's end of support on April 8, 2014. We can't have soon-to-be-unpatched boxes and laptops on our network, although I'm sure some will be in hiding past that date (VMs, second systems, etc).

    1. Re:We're Skipping Windows 8 and 8.1 by plover · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's only about XP's end of support on April 8, 2014.

      FTFY.

      There are zero positive valid business benefits to upgrading to Windows 8+, some non-issues that are used for sales pitches by OS vendors, and several negatives.

      In the non-issue column, there are:

      • We have no need for any application changes that take "advantage" of any of the new features of the new OS.
      • We have no need for any GUI changes that take "advantage" of any of the new features of the new GUI.

      In the negative column, we have the following:

      • Vendor support. End-of-life is used only for extortion by the vendor. We'd be perfectly content if they continued to support XP. It's not as if those bits rotted away through age.
      • GUI changes that disturb people who have no need to learn a new GUI. In particular, I don't want to pay someone extra to waste their time learning a new GUI.
      • OS storage requirements that increase the footprint of the OS. I don't want to have to buy new hardware, disks, CPUs, RAM, or motherboards.
      • Increasingly complex management and distribution requirements. We solved all those problems already. Now I have to re-solve them for the new OS.
      • Their originally poor security model was made more complex without making it better. Again, my training and costs rise, with no ROI.
      • Cost. Not only do the new licenses cost, but the ever increasing doom of moving to a Microsoft-based SaaSTCRMFYOAAB (Software as a Service That Collects Rent Money From You On An Annual Basis.) I don't need to pay their cloud fees to do my work.

      Microsoft thrives on confusing people into to forgetting that an OS is nothing more than the kernel, and the rest of the crap is GUI and application stuff that should not belong in the hands of the OS vendor. Apple has mastered fostering that misunderstanding as well. It's obviously profitable for them, which means it costs us plenty.

      The worst part is that I've had our infrastructure people tell us the cost of deploying Linux is too high, for several of those same negative reasons above. Well, we would have had to do it exactly ONE time, and then we'd have been done. But no, here we are, staring down another Windows end-of-life deadline, getting ready to write them another check. Too bad we can't sue those people for malfeasance.

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  4. Yeah, that's what XP holdouts were waiting for by jayhawk88 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Windows 8.1. *eyeroll* They're going to 7 you morons, and they're going to stay there for another 15 years. Doesn't matter what you do to the Start Menu.

    1. Re:Yeah, that's what XP holdouts were waiting for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      XP being end of life next April was the spur where I work and I expect many other places too. And yeah we're going to 7, not even thinking about 8 except for some tablets.

    2. Re:Yeah, that's what XP holdouts were waiting for by BitwiseX · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Windows 8.1. *eyeroll* They're going to 7 you morons, and they're going to stay there for another 15 years. Doesn't matter what you do to the Start Menu.

      Yeah, I read that, and thought BS as well. They're looking the wrong direction I think. Looking backwards at the curmudgeon that was Vista, that was (at least in my enterprise environment) completely skipped over. It was really a matter of earning back some trust.
      I understand that 8.1 is to 8 what SP2 was to XP (in theory) but I just can't see any advantage to using 8 in an enterprise environment.

      Not to mention, enterprise adoption is a SLOW process in a lot of cases. It's the same reason certain cars sell better on the used market than others. PROVEN reliability.

      (oh shit, did I just make a car anology... I really need to get off this site)

    3. Re:Yeah, that's what XP holdouts were waiting for by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The end of Windows 7 extended support is January 14, 2020. Microsoft is not going to make the same mistake of indefinitely extending this date by continuing sales indefinitely.

      They tried to kill XP. Repeatedly. They extended the deadline many times. They're going to do it again with Windows 7, because 8 is a steaming three coiled turd. Nobody asks when corporations are upgrading to Vista... because nobody is. How many corporations are looking at Windows 8? Next to none. Go ahead... find a job for a "Windows 7 to Windows 8 migration expert" on a job site for a Fortune 500 company. We'd all love to see the three positions in the entire world that are available for that job. -_-

      Please. Microsoft can try shoving stuff down their customer's throats... but all they'll do is get another XBone out of the deal. How's that working out for you, by the way, Ballmer? Polishing up the old resume I hear.

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    4. Re:Yeah, that's what XP holdouts were waiting for by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Funny

      So you're completely leapfrogging over Vista. How reckless :-)

    5. Re: Yeah, that's what XP holdouts were waiting for by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Informative

      I work for a fortune 50, yes 50, company.

      You are spot on with XP, Vista, and Win 7. There are quite a few legacy systems stuck on IE6 because of stupid SAP crap. We only recently upgraded those to IE7 !!! (Classic short-sightedness of selling your soul to MS and we are literally paying the devil his due for not having the wisdom to use open standard but I digress.)

      I'll be visiting HQ next week. I'll ask some of the admins what our Win8.1 plans (if any) are.

      On the back end some flavor of *nix is obviously used. Allways kind of surprised (and glad) to hear OpenBD pop-up when I least expect it. Rest of *nix boxes are usually Solaris with some sort of Blades.

      OSX is become more visible. We even have a few satellite offices running OSX exclusively. I've been converting a few developers to *augment* their Win 7 & 8 boxes over to OSX. With the clusterfuck of Win8 it has been an easy "sell". Most people don't realize just how inconsistent and schizophrensic MS's UI is until they try something different. Everyone agrees OSX isn't perfect but compared to the garbage MS is going OSX looks like a saint. Apple couldn't "pay" for better marketing -- all they have to do is let MS suicide itself: Microsoft has never understood good UI. It took them how many years until they had the start of something decent in 95?! LOL

      Win8 is an interesting ball of wax. We already in the progress of migration to it -- mostly new Dell laptops. It is universally hated by everyone I talk to. People hate it for two reasons:

      a) sake of change for the sake of change when there was nothing "wrong" with the old UI
      b) Eveyone agrees Metro makes perfect sense on a tablet but screwing over the desktop users pisses off a lot of people because you are forcing them to waste their time and IT's time to relearn how to do the same thing as before. It is a hindrance from us doing our job and we are already overloaded as it is.

      I know that we're definitely going to be staying on Win 7 as long as possible. Hell, we're already running XP in VMs such as VMWare, Parallels and VirtualBox. A few of the OSX users are using Bootcamp - both Win7 and Win8.

      I haven't heard of one soul asking to use Win 8 (or 8.1) but when you have 100,000 people it probably takes a little but if time for THAT news to travel. :)

  5. "Modern desktops" LOL by JoeyRox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a really bad sign when you have to obfuscate product uptake percentages with amorphous terms like "modern desktops" to cover up the fact that your latest flagship software release was an unmitigated disaster. Maybe instead of blaming Microsoft's horrible missteps on Balmer we can blame them on the "Modern Microsoft execute".

  6. Correlation does not imply causality by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Reller said the firm has "now seen about three quarters of Windows enterprises moving to modern desktops" from Windows XP, with the last leg of Windows XP migrations being spurred by the imminent availability of Windows 8.1.

    Um, no. Even though firms are buying Win 8, it doesn't mean that they are installing Win 8. Many of them are using a Win 8 license to install Win 7. If MS believes enterprises and consumers want Win 8 by choice, they are deluded.

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    1. Re:Correlation does not imply causality by Mitreya · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If MS believes enterprises and consumers want Win 8 by choice, they are deluded.

      I am almost certain that MS does not care whether people buy Win 8 "by choice" or not. As long as they buy it.

      It is good to be a monopoly.

  7. Windows 7... by PhantomHarlock · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...is actually nice desktop OS for functional productivity. It's like having XP but upgraded under the hood for modern hardware. Mine is tastefully retrograded to the XP UI theme, plus some deeper settings to get rid of some of the annoying defaults regarding the task bar.

    Had no issues with it for a number of years now and plan to continue using it for the time being.

    1. Re:Windows 7... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

      Mine is tastefully retrograded to the XP UI theme,

      "Tasteful" and "XP UI" have, heretofore, never been seen as linked concepts. Typically, the comments are more along the line of 'my eyes bleed' and 'Turn it off!!!".

      I do not want to see what your room looks like.

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    2. Re:Windows 7... by mrscorpio · · Score: 5, Informative

      He probably means the "classic" theme, which is really the Win2k theme.

  8. Win XP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Windows XP is a great OS. I'm still using it here and boy, my system is very stable and fast.

  9. Our experience with XP to Win8 by QuasiSteve · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We're finally getting around to having a bunch of XP boxes replaced with new ones, simply because they're old and a hardware failure in one of them triggered the decision to do pretty much all.

    We looked at getting Win7 machines - or at least getting Win7 installed onto the machines as part of an agreement - but in the end, it just wasn't worth it. More than half our staff already has Win8 at home and are perfectly comfortable with it, and once you get past the start screen, Win8 is, for our purposes, practically the same as Win7.
    I do say 'once you get past the start screen', but we're actually seeing uptake in using it. We tried a few 3rd party start menu offerings (most of them are crap, from not letting you modify it through not even listing all of the installed software that you would see listed if it were a proper start menu), eventually settling on one.. only to realize that most of the staff felt perfectly comfortable with either A. going to the pinned items on the task bar, or B. typing the name of the program from the start screen (we haven't bothered with tiles for most things, and removed almost all of the defaults... if they want to know the weather, they can listen to the forecast every half an hour on the radio, or hunt down the app in 'all apps').

    While the future direction of Win8 may be something to worry about (more and more store-centric, marginalizing the desktop, etc.), the future of Win7 isn't all roses either. Given that Win8 at least will enjoy support far past Win7, well, the choice was a lot easier than we anticipated.

    Our biggest struggle has actually been with outdated software. 16bit software just won't run on Win8 (64bit - can be enabled on 32bit, but that's just another wall waiting to be hit), and while our admin would be comfortable with installing a VM to keep these going, we're just biting the bullet and converting legacy files to formats used by more modern software, finding alternatives for those applications that we do still actively use, and keeping two machines around for everything else; one running with a VNC, and the other in storage 'just in case'.

    1. Re:Our experience with XP to Win8 by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Informative

      > We looked at getting Win7 machines - or at least getting Win7 installed onto the machines as part of an agreement - but in the end, it just wasn't worth it. More than half our staff already has Win8 at home and are perfectly comfortable with it, and once you get past the start screen, Win8 is, for our purposes, practically the same as Win7.

      Um, no, it really isn't. It must be a relatively small company. We have well over 10,000 users, the great majority of whom are not computer geeks, and there's no way in hell a large company would make a jump like that, unless they were in the business of developing for Windows 8.

      What OS incoming hardware has pre-installed makes absolutely no difference. It is always re-imaged with the company's copy of the OS the company has standardized upon, with the company's blessed settings and applications. No company in their right mind buys PCs and runs whatever is already on them. Among other issues, that's a serious security vector.

      And so, for years we bought PCs loaded with Vista and reimaged them with our copy of XP. Now we're taking PCs and laptops loaded with whatever (Win8, say) and reloading them with our blessed copy of Win7. That's the way any large company does it who doesn't want to experience a widespread IT nightmare.

      So no, unless you're a relatively small company populated with mostly computer geeks, I'm not buying it.

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  10. Re:Windows XP?? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 5, Informative

    people still use Windows XP? It is 2013! Don't tell me they are still running Pentium 3 computers at 900 MHz. My university uses Windows 8 and Dual Core processers at 2.6 GHz. Just saying.

    You should try running XP on a recent system sometime; it's very zippy, and with all the patches applied, quite stable.

    Plus, it virtualizes well with a low memory footprint.

  11. Will that make NSA Happy ? by Fantasio · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would not be surprised if for Microsoft, "Modern Desktop" means "with NSA compliant backdoors". I have been obliged to switch from XP to 7 and frankly I gained nothing in terms of functionalities or ease of access.

  12. Re:Windows XP?? by Hartree · · Score: 4, Informative

    And?

    The attitude you are showing is that of a toy fan, not a professional.

    There are still large numbers of XP boxes out there doing tasks every day.

    They might not be what you'd want for your own workstation, but for running the mass spectrometer or x ray diffraction machines that would take 200K+ each to replace with the modern ones, they work just fine.

    I'll guarantee that a lot of the workhorse computers in the laboratories at your university run XP (or maybe even Win 2K, or NT 4).

    I maintain those systems for the chemistry department at a major university. Most researchers aren't flush with so much cash they can replace machines that are only a few years old. And, the manufacturers tend not to update their systems without good reason (if it ain't broke, don't break it by trying to fix it).

    Just yesterday, I was working on a system with a VESA local bus 486 DX2 running it. Yeah, it's old, but it does certain specialized x-ray diffraction work just fine. We'll be happy to update it as soon as our broke state (or the NSF that's under sequester) coughs up a quarter to a half a million for something that can replace it. i.e. no time soon.

  13. Migrated my company from XP in 2008 by EmagGeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To Linux. We have been 100% Linux since then - not a single Microsoft machine in the entire operation. And yes, we do get threatening letters from the BSA every year...

  14. Re:Windows XP?? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I meant updating the entire x ray diffraction machine to a new one, not just the computer.

    I always find this alarming about lab equipment. You have something costing $500,000 but is entirely dependent on a $2000 computer. Not only that the "cheap" computer is both likely to break before anything else and be very difficult to replace.

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  15. Re: How close to 100% is the Windows 7 percentage by jd2112 · · Score: 3, Funny

    you must really hate him.

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