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Arrested Chinese Blogger "Confesses" On State TV, Praises Censorship

Koreantoast writes "As part of a broader, chilling Chinese crackdown on Internet dissent, Chinese blogger Charles Xue appeared on Chinese state television in handcuffs on Sunday, denouncing his blog and praising government censorship. He 'confessed' to becoming drunk on the accumulated power of his Weibo blog, which peaked at 12 million followers, and confessed to recklessly spreading unverified rumors and slander, disrupting social harmony and becoming a vent of negative emotion on mainstream society. He also praised new government legislation cracking down on Internet freedom, stating how dangerous the Internet would be if left uncontrolled by the government. Xue was arrested on prostitution solicitation charges though his television confession did not discuss that. His arrest was also suspiciously around the same time as a broader government sweep that picked up other Chinese Internet activists."

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  1. Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by DNAgent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is exactly the outcome that Diane Feinstein and others of her ilk would visit upon the U.S., given her way.

    1. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is exactly the outcome that Diane Feinstein and others of her ilk would visit upon the U.S., given her way.

      This is what conservatives actually believe.

    2. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by themushroom · · Score: 2

      If she had her way, there would be 26 little kids still alive going to Sandy Hook Elementary.

      If anyone had their way, no one would have died. And unless she personally or some law enforcement she alerted somehow showed up outside the school with a sidearm before the bad guy got to the doors, she could have gotten her way. I don't picture that happening.

    3. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by icebike · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you want to know results, try Venezuela. A year ago, they removed the guns from private citizen's hands because of escalating violence. Their crime rate is now 1/1000 (yes, ten cubed) what it was before the gun ban.

      They removed some small percentage of arms from the hands of citizens, mostly to prevent overthrow of Chavez, and since he is dead, nobody cares any more. Other than that your claim is totally bogus.

      But then, posting as AC, its what we all expect.

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    4. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by LordLimecat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thats WONDERFUL! Say, whats the state of human rights, democracy, etc in Venezuela?

      All of these things are connected, you know; the Bill of Rights wasnt drafted for no reason.

    5. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Drudge is a "blogger" now? News to me. Unhinged, shit-flinging monkey perhaps, kind of like you appear to be.

      You just described bloggers. 99.9% of them are worthless drivel.

      And you just assumed that an elected politician would know the difference between a blog and a "news" website. Rights are Rights. You either have them, or you don't. That is why ours are so black and white, to avoid generalized fucktard opinions like this that can become law.

    6. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Venezuela's crime rate is 1/1000 of what it was? Why are articles like this http://www.english.rfi.fr/americas/20130619-impunity-leads-soaring-venezuela-crime-rate so easily found?

    7. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by PRMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, can the "I always vote Democrat" idiots in California finally vote her out please? I'm sick of being represented by her. But since they elected Jerry Brown to bankrupt California for a third time, probably not.

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    8. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Impossible? Really?

      Machetes work very well too.

      The second amendment granted the PEOPLE the right to arms, not the government, and it was precisely to control the government that they were given these rights. It was fully expected that the PEOPLE would have the same arms as any soldier, which in this the modern era every citizen should be expected to have a fully automatic military long arm and a side arm.

      See Switzerland. Vastly higher gun possession rate, gun death rate less than half of the US rate.

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    9. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      We have a government that has 'constitution-free zones', 'free-speech areas', and drone strikes the shit out of its own citizens without warrant or trial. And just this summer we found out the government's been spying on all of us. And you still think it's a brilliant idea for Congress to ban all guns.

      I used to think gun control was a good idea. I thought all semi-automatic weapons should be outlawed. I could not see the case where a semi-auto rifle could deliver results that a bolt or lever-action simply couldn't provide. I thought the government could be trusted with taking up peoples' weapons. I was wrong.

      My views changed on this subject last summer, due to articles about the NDAA, willy-nilly drone strikes, the NSA data center in Utah (hey! the conspiracy nuts were right...again), and the whole Julian Assange embassy business. Even if a gun ban worked perfectly, and everybody (including the criminals) turned in their weapons to Uncle Sam...what do you think would happen about government abuses? We're knocking down the four boxes pretty quick. Soap doesn't work. I don't have a multi-million dollar news network to spread my views. Ballot doesn't work. The elections are rigged. Jury doesn't work. Not with secret courts. We're down to the ammo box, friends and neighbors. Giving that ammo box back to the same critters who tyrannize us will do...what, exactly? A few million pissed-off people with hunting rifles can cause a hell of a lot of trouble.

      Hey, I even used to buy into the whole 'mouth-breathing redneck meme', too. And then I started getting to know some. You know, being open-minded and all that crap. Turns out, they're pretty darned cool. Sure, they may not have sheepskins from universities on their walls, but they've got a hell of a lot more practical knowledge than I do. Some of the most intelligent people I've ever met are farmers who dropped out of high school. Some of the stupidest, most naive jackasses I've ever encountered have multiple PhDs from Yale and Stanford. Don't generalize before you really hang out with a group. They might surprise you. Ah, and most of the 'mouth-breathing rednecks' I've known have exhibited extreme amounts of caution and safety when operating a weapon. They know how much damage it can do.

      Gun ban legislation will only do one thing: spark civil war. The 'Joe Sixpacks' with their blue tick hounds are plenty pissed about the Patriot Act, NDAA, and all that other crap. Don't let the stupid media stereotypes fool you! They like the first amendment too. A gun ban will push them over the edge (last box). It will not work. Simply because a lot of people will not let it work. Good for them, I say.

      I think you've got a very inaccurate misconception about rural people. Spend some time with 'em. They'll blow your mind. I betcha we're on the same side about all the overreaches of power and whatnot. Let's focus on *that* first. Priorities. Let's reestablish a free country with liberty for all again.

    10. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by dk20 · · Score: 3, Informative

      One would think Canada would be most similar to the US except it has a near total gun ban.

      I'm not going to pretend Canada is some sort of crime-free nation but the crime index is interesting:
      US:53.44
      Canada: 34.98

    11. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Posting AC because the gun debate gets old after a while, but there is one point missing.

      Guns are a wanted part of US culture, from the Wild West to the rednecks, to the gangbangers, and are part of every strata of US society.

      Guess what will happen with a gun ban? Yep, the exact same thing that is happening because drugs are banned, and how alcohol was banned. Prohibition doesn't work. One has to change attitudes first (like drunk driving), then laws will change and be heeded.

      A gun ban will get guns in more demand. Instead of top quality brands, people will be churning them out in basements. If ammo gets scarce, someone will make it from some chemical, somewhere.

      Of course, with alcohol banned in the past, we got the mob. With drugs, we got the cartels. With guns, we will get gangs... and they will be the armed ones, and likely better armed than most police forces.

      Do we want heavily gangsters be the only source of armaments? The police won't be able to stamp them out, and every disaffected 15 year old kid will find the gangsters cool, spawning a "cowboy" archetype similar to the bootlegger or someone who outfoxes the law? Do we want the ultimate of cool to be killing someone to take their handguns or ammo stash (like is done with drug stashes)?

      I normally don't like stepping into the gun control argument, but lets be real, prohibition will not work. Instead, attitudes must change and make guns either viewed as tools (like the rest of the world), or even unstylish. Then, gun control might work. However, do we want to trade these shootings for constant shootings where gangs out-gun the police at every encounter? The existing drug cartels will be damn happy to start with metal shops and making firearms as well as getting gunpowder for ammo. If they know they are the only armed party in a town, they only gain more power.

    12. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    13. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by AlphaWoIf_HK · · Score: 2

      Why do people like you condone atrocities like this?

      Because I believe that freedom is more important than safety. Because I believe that we shouldn't punish everyone for the actions of a few. Because I have principles; unlike you. And I don't even own a gun.

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    14. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by icebike · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Blah blah blah the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

      Right of the People
      Shall Not Be Infringed.

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    15. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by DNAgent · · Score: 2

      I used Drudge as the example because he was the first to publicly cry "foul" at Feinstein. I don't read Drudge and I'm not a member of any political party, Republican or otherwise.

      Obviously you have no argument against what I posted, or else you'd reply with something other than an ad hominem attack.

    16. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Some of us believe fundamental rights and freedoms are more important than a statistically minuscule chance of death. We're not willing to trade what we view as a fundamental human right because people have been hurt. It's like the argument about deaths by car. No one will ban cars because they are fundamental to our society. That's how we view firearms. We view these rights as critical for a society to be free.

      We also don't believe in false dichotomies like that one you rolled out because we're intellectually honest.

    17. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by denmarkw00t · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I struggled a lot with whether to mod you up or reply in hopes of my karma boosting your post up some - someone please mod this up! Unfortunately, you can't count on many a /. reader going to your link, and all you did was dump it - but it is of value:

      As Bier put it, "The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports defines a ‘violent crime’ as one of four specific offenses: murder and non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault." By contrast, "the British definition includes all ‘crimes against the person,’ including simple assaults, all robberies, and all ‘sexual offenses,’ as opposed to the FBI, which only counts aggravated assaults and ‘forcible rapes.’ "

      While the rate is still higher when comparing similar categories (around ~700 some odd in the UK vs 340-ish in the US), even this comparison is riddled with holes. In summation, getting an "apples to apples" comparison of the crime rates in both countries is damn near impossible, and the idea that the UK's crime rate is orders of magnitude higher is simply wrong.

    18. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by chihowa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is her ilk "Democrats" or is it "autocratic authoritarians"? There are plenty of the latter in both parties. Blindly bashing the other party, whatever your tribal affiliation, doesn't clean them out of your party.

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    19. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by alexgieg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A gun ban (like every other civilized country) would have made the massacre of children at Sandy Hook impossible.

      Like a drug ban makes consuming drugs impossible and the prohibition caused everyone to stop drinking?

      Here in Brazil we have a near total ban on guns. It's almost impossible to get a license to own a gun, and even more impossible to get the right to carry it around. Miraculously though, almost all criminals have guns, several of which military grade. Guess who are the only people who don't? A hint: starts with "law abiding" and ends with "citizens".

      Here's what would stop any massacre in any school: an unknown number of armed teachers. Child-massacring wannabees chose schools because they know those are not only defenseless, but mandated by law to be defenseless. Break that assumption and the issue solves itself.

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    20. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by jcr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The whole point of 2nd amendment is to let citizens

      NO.

      The constitution does not create our rights. The second amendment acknowledges the existing right to self-defense, and prohibits the government from infringing it.

      -jcr

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    21. Re: Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by icebike · · Score: 2

      Deceptive.

      Enthusiasts have multiple guns. Even though you can only effectively shoot one at a time.
      Yet every swiss male has at least one, and is required to practice with it.

      One in every household is a higher percentage of households than the US.
      Also its a higher rate of availability. Everybody has one spreads guns to a larger percentage of
      the population than a small number of guys having large collections.

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    22. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The second amendment granted the PEOPLE the right

      No it didn't, and the idea that the constitution created our rights is a very dangerous misconception. Our rights are intrinsic to our human nature, and what the constitution does is delegate certain powers to the government.

      -jcr

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    23. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by AHuxley · · Score: 2
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    24. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 2

      You're right on target. I hear conservatives howl about "liberals", but I think that when you really get to know people, most of us just want to government to leave us alone. The ruling elites strategy must be "divide and conquer".

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    25. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by celle · · Score: 2

      "A well regulated militia blah blah blah."

              Context and meaning of the time please. Well regulated meant functional 200 years ago. A functional militia is necessary for free state not a potentially dysfunction but regulated militia.

    26. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by BlueBlade · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is a ridiculous statement. The concept of human rights are a human creation. The truth is that every "right" you have is currently granted to you at the point of a gun, through social constructs like law and its enforcement. Viewing rights as intrinsic is dangerous, because in the end it's just an ideology. I do agree with the idea of basic human rights granted to everyone, but we should never lose sight that we only have them because we kill and imprison people who disagree.

      Without the constitution, those "intrinsic" rights would cease to exist immediately to the whim of whoever owns the most efficient means of violence to enforce their views.

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    27. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is exactly the outcome that Diane Feinstein and others of her ilk would visit upon the U.S., given her way.

      Excuse me, but what exactly makes you so confident that it isn't already this way? You can't blame "Diane Feinstein" or [insert another name here] for this. The situation would simply breed another person to take their place. Blame Obama! Blame Bush! Blame Canada!

      Please. Every government in the world wants things to be sunshine and kittens. It's the basis for all propaganda. We got revisionist history rewriting our high school text books every year. We got angry white fat dudes in suits on Fox News screaming at us about how avoiding war in Syria is somehow a bad thing... because Russia offered a peaceful solution and Syria took them up on it. I mean, how twisted is it that the party that made it's main agenda "making Obama a one term president" is backing him now because he's all like Let's Bomb ALL TEH THINGZ!

      With media distortion and control like that patently obvious to anyone who puts on their critical thinking cap, why are we thinking that we're somehow different than the Chinese in this regard? They got propaganda. We got propaganda. And?

      Anyone who says they're "pro-" whatever is admitting they've been suckered by pro-paganda. About the only place you don't hear "I'm pro-this-thing" is in science, where people regularly say "Well, the new evidence says I'm wrong. SWEET! To the lab!" ... They don't care for being pro-anything except passion for the work. Learn from them.

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    28. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by drkim · · Score: 3, Informative

      See Switzerland. Vastly higher gun possession rate, gun death rate less than half of the US rate.

      They have a very different setup from the US.

      First: ALL able-bodied male Swiss citizens are drafted into the military around 20. All.
      (Do you really want to return to a mandatory draft in the US?)
      In the military they get extensive training in weapons safety, weapons handling, following order, etc.
      Those with an exemption from service pay an additional 3% of annual income tax until the age of 30.
      (So draft, or more taxes. No escape.)

      Second: Every male head-of-household (remember, these are now former military) is required to maintain a working firearm. (They have the option of retaining their service weapon, but it is de-milled to remove full-auto operation.) [There is an upper age cutoff for this, I forget what it is.]

      So, yes, there are LOTS of guns in Switzerland. But very, very different rules.

    29. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by drkim · · Score: 2

      So what's your point.
      All you've done is prove that an armed citizenry is a polite citizenry.
      Hardy justification for arms confiscation. Just the opposite.

      Hey great! I'm glad we agree.

      Let's go ahead and pass the mandatory military draft law for all males, and proceed with confiscation of all firearms for anyone who has not finished their full military service.

      Just like Switzerland.

      You call NRA and let them know we're improving the system.

    30. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by BlueBlade · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But that's my very point - they are not unalienable. They are made up. Human rights have no basis in reality, there's no fundamental law of nature that grant humans those rights. They are only an ideology and, as soon as someone with different views gathers the most power, they'll cease to exist. In the future, it's possible that technology will enable someone with a different ideology to seize power, and those "unalienable" rights would go away, perhaps never to return until humanity becomes extinct.

      If rights effectively go away once you don't own the biggest guns anymore, then by definition they aren't unalienable : they are created by mankind. This is why you have to be willing to kill to defend your ideologies, otherwise people can use violence to enforce their way of life over you.

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    31. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by bythescruff · · Score: 2

      "In the military they get extensive training in weapons safety, weapons handling, following order, etc."

      This is a crucial point which is usually overlooked: in order to use a gun safely, you need to learn the rules and practice them. Believe it or not, a car analogy actually works quite well here: no one would suggest that you don't have the right to travel, and therefore it would be wrong to deny you the right to drive a car, correct? But before you're allowed to drive a car, you have to learn the rules so you know how to do it safely, and you have to pass a test in order to prove that you've done so. No one complains about this because it's perfectly reasonable; unless you know how to use a car correctly, you're a danger to others. Guns are the same.

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    32. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by gsslay · · Score: 3, Informative

      Let's compare violent crime rates per 100K people: US 466, UK 2034

      A bullshit comparison that has been debunked often before. The definitions used for "violent crime" are totally different in either country, so it is impossible to compare the stats in any sensible way.

    33. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      How soon also we forget the twice-failed "Hush Rush" bill, attempting to force radio stations to put on an equal, AKA 3-hour extra program for "equality", knowing full well such programs were ratings disasters, and thus a huge loss leader, and would force radio stations to think twice about conservative programming, which, of course, was the intent all along, even as they feigned Noble and Holy Purpose to get useful idiots on their side.

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    34. Re:Drudge and other U.S. bloggers are next by operagost · · Score: 2

      How many rights would you have if you were the only person on earth? Answer: all of them. Only another living person can take your rights away. QED

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  2. Tent camp! by s.petry · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The leaders of the so called free world promptly laid their coats over their laps after reading that little tidbit. I'm sure they were also wondering "How long till we can do that here?"

    Just to be fair, I'm sure Merkel and Hillary had to cover their laps as well for similar "problems".

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    1. Re:Tent camp! by LifesABeach · · Score: 2

      I was reminded of the book, "1984." It's suppose to be fiction, right?

  3. Bradley Manning by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And yet when Bradley Manning makes an eerily similar statement plenty of people are willing to take it as proof positive that he was a bad guy.

    1. Re:Bradley Manning by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And yet when Bradley Manning makes an eerily similar statement plenty of people are willing to take it as proof positive that he was a bad guy.

      The definition of patriotism is believing your country is the best country on Earth simply because you were born in it. Nobody's national anthem starts with "We're Number Two!" So when America says someone's bad, americans believe it, but nobody else does. When the Chinese say someone's bad, the chinese people believe it, but nobody else. And so on, and so on.

      Nationalism is hardly a problem confined to America; It blinds people equally the world over. Here's some Russian propaganda about American, and here's some American propaganda about Russians. It's all the same.

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    2. Re:Bradley Manning by LifesABeach · · Score: 2

      Charles Xue did not steal, Bradley Manning did. Would anybody have cared if Bradley Manning had blogged what he felt instead of what he discovered? As for China, "human rights" are just 2 words in an engrish test.

    3. Re:Bradley Manning by dk20 · · Score: 2

      If i could mod you up i would... I've always thought this way, but its funny when you talk to some people. They are fast to tell you something like "that's just propaganda from ..." but they seem to feel their own country doesn't have an active propaganda program.

    4. Re:Bradley Manning by s.petry · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wrong! The first rule you learn in the US Army is that you are to uphold the Constitution and defend the citizens. You also learn that you are not to obey orders that are unlawful and therefor illegal.

      Wear the Uniform and learn the job before you spout off bullshit propaganda. I proudly served my country defending it's citizens, consider myself to be pro-USA, and would have done exactly the same thing as Manning under the same circumstances.

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  4. Oblig Orwell by Bookworm09 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He loved Big Brother.

    1. Re:Oblig Orwell by dmt0 · · Score: 2

      He also admitted that entering the new phase in his life he wants to be a woman and receive hormonal treatment.

  5. The video by larry+bagina · · Score: 2
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  6. i wonder what they threatened him with by ClassicASP · · Score: 3, Insightful

    i gotta think people in china are intelligent enough to know this is a forced confession. and china's govt has to know their population is intelligent enough to know this. they're just basically making example of this guy as a message to its population to say "we can make you do whatever we want". i bet they threated to lobotomize the guy or something like that.

    1. Re:i wonder what they threatened him with by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      they're just basically making example of this guy as a message to its population to say "we can make you do whatever we want".

      As they say in China: Kill the chicken to scare the monkey.

    2. Re:i wonder what they threatened him with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The bradley manning confession, do you think american people were smart enough to believe it was forced?

  7. Translation ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They threatened me and my family, and the only way I can escape prison or a firing squad is to publicly denounce this.

    I do not believe this is anything other than agreeing to repeat the party line under duress.

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  8. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! by jcwuffah · · Score: 3, Informative

    O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother”

  9. This man was tortured by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 2

    No one seems to care

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  10. So, in other words: by kheldan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ..he was black-bag arrested, subjected to torture, beaten, starved, thrown in an oubliette for a time, threatened with death, had his friends and family threatened with all the above, and likely drugged, until he finally broke and was willing to say anything they wanted him to say, no matter the cost to him or his reputation, and no matter how humiliating. Next he'll probably "commit suicide", leaving behind a note explaining how he couldn't live with the guilt and shame for having spoken such lies about the glorious and just Communist government of China.

    Yeah, sure. Sounds like just another normal day in mainland China.

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    1. Re:So, in other words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, you can tell how tortured, beaten, starved, and drugged he was during his broadcasted confession in this video:
      http://v.163.com/zixun/V8GAM7JAP/V97SHLBI4.html

    2. Re:So, in other words: by thoromyr · · Score: 2

      well, odds are they didn't have to do have of the extreme measures you suggest. Maybe this guy was exceptional, but all it usually takes is a good dose of cold water. A normal arrest and careful explanation of the consequences will get most people with family to fold. Of course, in the event they get a true idealist, then, yes, some or all of those measures will get the desired result.

      Torture may not be that great for getting truthful information, but it works wonders to get someone to say something, anything, to make the pain stop.

  11. Still think Assange "rape" charge has any merit? by FuzzNugget · · Score: 2

    This is what fascist governments (and their lapdogs) do, be they Chinese, American or Swedish. They doctor up charges of a very stigmatized crime when you publish information that you don't like, turning the public against them because, "ew, he's a perv, who cares what he thinks?"

  12. Let's check on that real quick by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Informative

    The crime rate is 0.001% of what it was pre-ban? So if their crime rate was, say 10 in 100,000 citizens it would now be 1 in 10,000,000 citizens.

    Ok well in the first two months of 2013 2500 people were killed. This is just murder here, we aren't looking at lesser crimes right now (http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/venezuelan-government-recognizes-record-murder-rate). That means we can expect around 15,000 murders this year. By your logic, that means there was 15,000,000 murders last year, or over half their population.

    However if we do a little more looking, in the same article, we discover that no, there was about 16,000 murders last year, meaning this one looks about the same as the last.

    In other words, you are just completely making shit up. If you have to resort to logic that faulty, that far out, that totally made up to support your position, it leads one to ask how valid your position is.

  13. Obligatory Orwell by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

    "But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."